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Hi, I have a phone with a really nice hvga screen, but the problem is that there isn't a shell that's compatible with it, it's soul destroying realy, the phone is a ciphone c6, and before anyone says, Oh one of them clone phones, it really is quite a good, and pretty fast phone, and the display is very good indeed.
I know a lot or people on the forum have purchased the phone as a windows phone in it's own right, and don't realy care for the Iphone look and feel, I'm one of them! if I wanted an Iphone, I would have gone and got one,
This really is a good phone, but there is no support at ALL for this resolution, please please please could someone help out and show me how I can change a decent UI to HVGA?
Mike
I was expecting more. Much more. And Nokia disappointed me. First, I think I'm not astonished because I've seen the hardware before. At June.
The Lumia 710, it's pretty nice and cheap. It's great!
But hey, where is the front camera? Every device nowadays should have one. Even if I dont use it, I want it. Skype is just around the corner (hope so) and it will allow, or should, video calling.
So, Nokia did save WP7? Everyone was expecting this day to foresee the WP7 future. What now?
Saved or Doomed?
I don't think they've done either - it will survive with or without Nokia. What I do think they've done is totally shot themselves in the foot by leaving out FFC. Think I'll be getting the Titan now to replace my HD7, very disappointed with Nokia on this one.
I totally don't care about the front facing camera, so it's hard for me to see it as a make or break feature for the platform.
They weren't supposed to release some super awesome device.
The idea is that Nokia is a massive brand in Europe, has the biggest market share (despite relying on a dying OS, Symbian, and having competition from the iPhone) and brand. People will buy Nokias because they're Nokias. A certain premium comes from Nokias as seen with the unique design on the Lumia 800.
It's the equivalent of Apple going suddenly ditching iOS and deciding to go with Android and then releasing an iPhone 4S with Android.
I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
Looks like the 710 supports SD card, that's interesting
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arturobandini said:
I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
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Think its important to note that these are just the 2011 devices. The rumors have suggested upwards of 12 Nokia phones in various form factors by the end of 2012.
Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
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I hope so!
Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
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Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Looks like Nokia's plan gonna fail...Think their strategy managers need to go back to school...
They gonna focus on China and India,which gonna fail real soon...Although they are huge population there,but it doesn't means you gonna success.
Lets make some simple assumption, especially in China now,what's most important for a developing country?they will definitely promote local company to grow rather than allow foreign companies to dominate their market such as Nokia. Even apple Ipad and Iphone tax so high in China. I can say that they are over hundread phone manufacturer in China who making KIRF phones...And now,here is the most important part,when talking about KIRF phone,nowadays they already started to use android(the green army).Why?cause it is free,no license fee or anything...
Therefore, the protection towards local investment and the "Free" goddess of Android will simply block Nokia out.
Lastly, don't think that people in developing countries won't want a high end-device...
It is a tough game for Nokia now,Anyway,windows phone 7 will be safe until the Windows 8 is released,complete integration,sync and kinect....
Doomed for Nokia...cheers
Everybody in this forum who makes $7/hr bagging groceries always knows that the bigger company sucks at planning, marketing and developing. Just watch & see whether they succeed or fail, none of us have any idea who will buy it.
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$7/hr bagging groceries are a good measurement and good enough to judge their low end phones...Anyway,Thanks for your reminder.
Nokia starts to lose their ground...Take nine months to copy their own design on N9...great stuffs...
People with name starts with steve sucks ball( steve'n elop, steve ballmer), except steve jobs....
It is just silly Elop is praising their Nokia N9 sales are great while he is the one who killed the device.
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Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
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LOL Sure they could
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Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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that's because us consumers rejected them and carriers followed as a result, thanks to Symbian.
tHe phones are cute but I can care less what it looks looks like. They go in cases to keep their resale value as high as possible.
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Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
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Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
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It also says FLAC and AVI support. For me it's now down to Nokia 800 and Samsung Focus S
I dont get all the hate i love this phone already and will be getting one on the 16th. I dont get what you are expecting tbh some sort or cyborg tech from the future? We all knew what WP7 supports etc and as for the rest of it i cant think of a better looking well made handset and the screen looks lush
Don't think its devices that will save WP7. It is marketing and retailer influence, which it looks like Nokia is taking very seriously.
Sure, the Lumia 800 looks decent and has pretty cool features, like navigation. However for a flagship device i miss a FFC, not that I need one but a flagship device should have one. With 16GB this device will be a great option to jump on the WP7 train if priced right. However if the Omnia W comes out around the same prcing I'll go for that. Because it has a FFC... But we'll see...
Before I get started I want to say before I read the Engadget review I have already read reviews from cnet, and the huffington Post.
I was really shocked by the review Engadget has published for the Lumia 900. The other three professional reviews I had read had mostly praises for the phone. They all mentioned the low display resolution limitation of current WP7 devices however they also never mentioned how stunning the display actually was. The color saturation and sunlight visibility of the screen appear to be amazing. Engadget fails to mention that but instead complains about how the screen isn't tapered.
To make it even worse they started a hardware article with 2 negative comments about the phone. The screen display and build quality. before I get into the build quality All I have to say is that unless you feel the phone is absolute crap you don't do this.
However all the other reviewed from other professional organizations and AT&T representatives have raved about the great the build quality is. Even Engadget employees sent to CES and MWC raved about this, so why now call it a negative?
Engadget, I am aware you believe the WP martetplace is disappointing because it has only 70000+ apps. However it has either all the main apps you actually use or a decent alternative. The marketplace doesn't need a lot of crappy apps, see google play, it just needs to have the ones you use. Seriously, who cares about fart apps or 50 apps all doing the exact same thing
Overall I felt this review was meant to downgrade the perception of the Nokia Lumia 900. It just doesn't fall in line with anyhting else I have read. I knew they had an apple and htc fetish but I still respected most of their reviews, however that changed today with this travesty.
I am even starting to think maybe Tim Cook called them directly to make sure AT&T pays for calling any other phone other than the iPhone 4S their "flagship."
** removed th verge review. I know I read another major professional review, I thought it was the verge but I guess it was someone else.
I thought the same thing. The reviewer seemed biased (against the phone) from the start. In contrast I just read the review on WPCentral and thought it was the best and most informative Lumia 900 review yet. Interestingly enough there is a comment at the end of that review that talks about the guy at Engadget and speculates he is known for disliking anything Microsoft.
Actually Engadget review was more favorable to Lumia 900 than Verge review.
If you write Engadget on a piece of paper, then hold it in front of a mirror, and angle it just so...it will say. ... Enohpi
Verge's review was worse, watch it on youtube
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Verge's review was worse, watch it on youtube
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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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Just watched it and it definitely looks like he wanted to take an opportunity to say how much he doesn't like the Windows Phone OS. That's fine if he doesn't like it but shouldn't he be reviewing the phone and how it works with the OS? Definite biased review - like he really didn't even want to use the phone because it has WP on it.
Everyone has opinions, and he's entitled to his. He doesn't like it, and its his job to share his opinion. My son tried windows phone, then went back to android. He sounded like this guy. He could pick things out...this and that, and did not consider the overall experience. Thats fine. There are lots of things to love in android, and lots of things to love in Windows phone. Pick what works for you.
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I was just reading the CNET review.
One of the strange things I saw in the Engadget review was the comment, I won't fit in your pocket...or something like that. I thought that was a strange thing to say. For those obviously looking for something to hang on to..yeah...its bigger. But...the way he said it..like somebody else said...it was obvious he didn't even want to do the review.
Anyway...the CNET review uses...get this...the Cyan 900 half in, half out of the pocket. I had to laugh...scared the cat, who knocked by bowl of cereal off my desk. Which gives me just another reason to not watch ENiphoneGADGET reviews anymore.
Unfortunately, this review confirms that it has same crappy camera as Lumia 800 does. Well, that was expected, but stiil, there were some hints and i had hopes...
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Unfortunately, this review confirms that it has same crappy camera as Lumia 800 does. Well, that was expected, but stiil, there were some hints and i had hopes...
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Actually, this review does nothing of the sort. You have a guy, who obviously does not even want to touch the phone, doing a review that searches for anything nice to say. According to him, this phone is a bottom dweller and he needs to disinfect his hands, immediately.
Thats not to say the camera is in deed good. I've heard good, I've heard bad. Persoanlly I use a camera phone for quick shots, and only 1 time in my many phones has a camera on a phone not been good enough for that...the Dell Venue Pro. Otherwise...I've been good. Of course my expectations do not include front cover Vogue shots.
The Verge review was unbelievably biased. I had hoped for more from that site after they picked up Tom Warren, but no luck. Just as lame as Engadget.
I think the worst I read was on Pocketnow. I don't event think the reviewer ever used the phone. He used a stock photo of 2 iPhones to compare the screen resolution.
With so many android phones out there, most of the sites do cater to android and apple...as they should. Most hard core android users have nothing good to say about wp or apple. Most apple users have nothing good to say about android or wp. They simply don't realize they lose their credibility by acting unbiased.
With hundreds of thousands of androids being registered everyday, I wonder why any other phone is ever going to be released.
All but the most hardcore of users fail to realize the lack of quality hardware and software wise on an android phone. Hardcore users can mod and tweek and do this and that...I used to be because they can...but now I lean towards because they have to.
I had the pleasure of working for a company that tested windows phones before the original release. I was majorly disappointed. I came to realize later that dissapointment was because my expectations were too high. I was looking for shooting stars and glitzy this and that. What MS focused on was pure reliablity. After a year I reset my expectations and the Windows Phone, IMO, is far superior than other phones. It works every time. I came back to the HD7 and Dell Venue Pro, moved to the Samsung Focus S and now on to the Lumia 900. I have not been disappointed yet. I've adjusted my expectation to the WP and use the People tab, and Messaging Hub and think of these things as the better way. My daughter just converted to the Lumia 710 from android...why....because of reliability. My son is still on android after trying WP...but he's a modder.
So I watch these reviews and laugh....every review they say this is their favorite phone ever....uh huh...why...cause their last favorite got to have android phone doesn't work any more....oh well...must be a verizon customer.
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All but the most hardcore of users fail to realize the lack of quality hardware and software wise on an android phone. Hardcore users can mod and tweek and do this and that...I used to be because they can...but now I lean towards because they have to.
I had the pleasure of working for a company that tested windows phones before the original release. I was majorly disappointed. I came to realize later that dissapointment was because my expectations were too high. I was looking for shooting stars and glitzy this and that. What MS focused on was pure reliablity. After a year I reset my expectations and the Windows Phone, IMO, is far superior than other phones. It works every time.
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This time's 1000+. The majority of my friends are not tech heads. They just want their devices to work. The ones who have gone to WP7 have all said the same thing - they love it. Its quick, easy to use, and looks good. They could care less about modding or skinning their phones, or how many cores it has, how much ram, or the screen resolution.
When it comes to WP7, MS should really steal Apple's moto of 'it just works', and it works well.
I must've read 10+ reviews since they all came out last night. The overall response is positive. I think Verge and Engadget had the harshest reviews comparing apps and camera quality to the 4s and Nexus.
2 things I don't care much about. None of the bad reviews have me second guessing my decision to switch from my iPhone 4.
Can't wait till the 9th!
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I must've read 10+ reviews since they all came out last night. The overall response is positive. I think Verge and Engadget had the harshest reviews comparing apps and camera quality to the 4s and Nexus.
2 things I don't care much about. None of the bad reviews have me second guessing my decision to switch from my iPhone 4.
Can't wait till the 9th!
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Same here on all of that!
You guys see Walt's? I had a good laugh on that one. He did Steve proud.
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You guys see Walt's? I had a good laugh on that one. He did Steve proud.
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Do you have a link to check out?
watch this review guys, best yet. aaron speaks from his own personal experiance, not what people want or like to hear.
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXbFzZ4taY
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMc9qNaT8c
pretty sure im getting this phone now. he didnt complain about screen resolution and he liked it after just using the galaxy nexus for 15 days
i read somewhere Nokia is working on another patch for the camera on the 900, do any of you know if this is true? every review says the camera is "okay".. i expect more from nokia
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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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I read all of these reviews today and they really got off topic of the Device and got on the OS. So I took it upon myself to Tweet both Verge and engadget to see what the Lumia 900 has to do, to be as good as Android or iOS. The things they gripped about such as the third party apps lagging, same thing that happens on iOS and Android so that argument isnt valid. Of course I didnt get a reply from them. I agree the OS is missing some things but the device funtions well and does what its suppose to do.
And IM SICK AND TIRED of people bashing WP for not having multi Cores, if anything it should show everyone that you dont need multi cores to operate well. They tend to bash the specs but WP functions just as fast as any other OS but with lower specs. Most people dont even care about specs as long as it works well and does what its suppose to.
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watch this review guys, best yet. aaron speaks from his own personal experiance, not what people want or like to hear.
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXbFzZ4taY
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMc9qNaT8c
pretty sure im getting this phone now. he didnt complain about screen resolution and he liked it after just using the galaxy nexus for 15 days
i read somewhere Nokia is working on another patch for the camera on the 900, do any of you know if this is true? every review says the camera is "okay".. i expect more from nokia
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Thanks for posting the link to the PhoneDog review. It was definitely positive and he compared it to other phones and operating systems and based his review on the phone itself while pointing out how the WP OS works.
You guys are right that it's like TheVerge and Engadget reviewer's did as little as they could to explore around the phone and know how to use the OS. All I got from them was "The Lumia 900 is a nice phone but man do we hate this OS. So we overall the score is a 5 out of 10". I can't believe they get paid to be lazy.
This post talks about a lot of devices besides the Lumia and as a result it is a little long, so I've bolded the key points for speed readers
I went on vacation last week and come back to an uproar about current devices not getting Windows 8 Phone updates (better name ), and honestly I really don't understand the vastness of the unrest. I get the points people make, but the conclusions are way out there for me!
My family is reasonably well equipped technology wise. I have an Alienware m17x, a 1st gen iPad, a Nokia Lumia 900, and a PS3. My wife has a Mac Book Pro 15, an iPad 2, and an iPhone 4s. The kids are on a Gateway desktop with an i7 in the living room. The kids also have iPods, one has a Pantec phone, several DS and LeapFrog devices. Rounding it all out is a smart Logitec universal touch screen remote, a sling box, several access points and a Wii. For the most part, we each pick the device that suits us best and fits in the price range / budget we set.
We also have laying around, an old Mac Book Pro 13, an iPhone 3s, an iPod, an 8 year old Dell XPS desktop, an HTC HD7, a Samsung Focus, a Tilt and a Tilt II, and an old Palm Tungsten C. And of course several candy bar and flip phone cells and various MP3 players, language translators and hand-held game thingies.
There's no way in hell I can have all of these devices on the crest of the technology wave all at once, we just can't afford it (in fact, my wife isn't so thrilled with how well stocked we are now... but there are times she's very happy with it :laugh.
My next major purchase will be a Win8 Tablet. I absolutely need to replace the iPad for work - the thing is a toy. In my quest for the ultimate portable work slate / play device, nothing out there has attracted my attention. Lack of connectivity, poor performance, a craptacular crayon-style writing on the iPad, lack-luster hardware, and the fact that I would also like an 11 to 13-inch screen has kept my money in my pocket. Obviously, I'm holding out until Win8 and the right tablet is there (eying the Yoga Flip closely!).
With the announcement of smart glass at E3, the urge was to jump on the deals and grab an XBox 360. ESPECIALLY since I could hook up all those iOS and possible future 'droid devices too! But, without BluRay support, I'm not going to bother. And with the next tablet purchase coming later this year (fingers crossed the right one is there in the next 6 months...), and with the 720 being rumored for the holidays next year. I'm waiting on switching from PS to XBOX when the 720 comes out, assuming the next-gen PS doesn't keep me in Sony Land.
It should be noted that along with the smart glass upgrade, I'll be looking at my existing Yamaha receiver and possibly upgrading that as well - my 5 year old model is good enough, but there are improvements out there and better ways to hook up the living room 'rack' - so that's also factored into the actual cost.
Which brings me to my jumping on the Lumia the day after it was available: I bought the Lumia knowing the risks of not being Win8 ready. I took the other slant with this upgrade as opposed to my next game machine and PC/Slate/Untrabook. I was contract-ready with AT&T, the price was right (and a few days later it was $0 - but they had me at $99), it had just enough improvements over my HD7 to entice me, and I didn't see me waiting until Q4 2012 or even Q1 or 2 2013 to get the phone upgraded.
Maybe it's within the context of all of the technology purchases I've got going on in my life that the Lumia 900 is just right for me. It is, by far, hands down, the BEST phone I've ever had. Excellent battery life, excellent responsiveness, great connectivity, and much to my amazement: the BEST reception and call clarity I've ever experienced on a smart phone. (I'm the only one in our downtown MPLS building who can send and receive calls anywhere on the campus, and never loose my 4G data connection).
I've been shocked at the excellent support from Nokia app-wise, and firmware-wise, and am very happy for the WP community to benefit from further integration of Nokia apps for non-Nokia phones. This phone, which I use first and foremost as a mobile phone (this part just HAS to be rock-solid for me), for all my e-mail all day long, for my browsing, gaming / entertainment, news and feed reading, and music play back is perfect for me as-is. The WP 7.8 update is just extras I didn't even expect.
No regrets. None. Nil. Not even close. I've purchased too many phones, computers, tablets, and other odd-n-ends to expect today's buy to still be tomorrow's top device. It NEVER works that way. 1 month later, the next device is just around the corner. 2 months later, another OS has better devices and features. 6 months later (or less) a new device is on my network for WP with new features I can't get on my current device. I had no reason to expect this to be my last phone purchase :silly:
Bigger screen support, NFC, multi-core... duh. I mean DUH if you thought this device would stand up to next-gen hardware. If you have a Nokia 900 and are upset it isn't the model being released in 6 months then you've got a significant learning curve ahead of you for all the other things in your life that you'll be buying. No way around it - it doesn't feel good, but it's an obvious truth. To expect otherwise is to believe in a spaghetti monster living on the other side of the moon. Sorry, but it's true.
When I do upgrade my phone, it'll be Nokia and it'll be W8P (still a better name, even at the end of this post :angel and it'll be cutting edge when it's that device's turn to get the latest and greatest.
Sorry for the length of my post, but the negativity around here is just plain silly and not worth the effort (for those experiencing it, and those of us who have to sift through it to get to actual facts).
Edit: I should have added that I am VERY happy with the updates I will get for my existing hardware, and also that I'm VERY happy that W8P will not support existing hardware. My reasons are that the hardware is improving at an extraordinary rate, and when I do get my next device I'll have one that has an OS that isn't bogged down with backwards compatibility issues - something that plagued windows for so many years until the hardware leveled out.
So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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Actually, only the un-happy are noisy. Most people I actually know and talk too either couldn't care less, or are perfectly fine with it. Nokia will be fine. MS will be fine. WP8, Win8, and XBox will be just fine. There are ALWAYS people who scream dooms-day, but it never comes. Everything is always just fine
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So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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Totally wrong uninformed.....
I also am happy with my lumia 900 and also it was a decision I made whether to wait for WP8 or not.. ( I was actually waiting for the Lumia 900 as it had a front facing camera against the lumia 800).
There is always new tech coming out every 3 months a so and you either wait or get what is on offer that suits your need.
Regarding the WP8 update I am not so much bothered ( only regret is the nokia pureview camera 808).
I come from a Samsung galaxy S2 and the for me the SGS2 has been the best android device by far and the SGS3 didn't appeal to me at all, besides people were always complaing How most apps were not optimised to use the DUAL CORE of the SGS2.
Similiar things will happen when WP8 comes around there will be fewer apps and most current DEVS will keep developing for WP7 as they have just about got hang of it. So it will be atleast another year or so when we see Quality apps both for WP8 and Windows 8 which is just starting out as well, by which time I will be ready to purchace my Second Gen WP8 Just like my Second Gen lumia 900.
NFC is also not very popular in the UK at present and probably you will get NFC through sim cards or as stickers.
Till Next year my Lumia 900 rocks.. and then I will have decided about my next phone
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Totally wrong uninformed.....
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All I am going to do is laugh that you would write 3 weeks without explaining what it is applied to.. If its my whole post then I'm not sure how you can say I am wrong on the Windows upgrade offers which are true and I know from experience. The same goes for people holding off on purchases because of upgrades.... Its not my opinion... its from experience since I worked at a Retail Big Box store.
In regards to the part about Nokia and the risk here not sure how I am uninformed as there are numerous people saying this could stall sales:
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Windows-Phone-8--What-s-the-Impact-/story.xhtml?story_id=111008O891L0
Once again... it is wide spread knowledge that Nokia is not doing as well as was expected as mentioned below:
http://www.gsminsider.com/2012/06/no-windows-phone-8-updates-for-all.html
and here is another article talking about the risk to Generation 2 device sales...
http://nothingwired.com/2012/06/21/older-windows-phone-will-7-8-upgrade-windows-phone-8/
Btw, I could reference many other articles written by people who are not just owners upset by the lack of upgrade.
But apparently I am misinformed and only "negative noisy" people believe this....
Maybe you are misinformed....
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All I am going to do is laugh that you would write 3 weeks without explaining what it is applied to.. If its my whole post then I'm not sure how you can say I am wrong on the Windows upgrade offers which are true and I know from experience. The same goes for people holding off on purchases because of upgrades.... Its not my opinion... its from experience since I worked at a Retail Big Box store.
In regards to the part about Nokia and the risk here not sure how I am uninformed as there are numerous people saying this could stall sales:
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Windows-Phone-8--What-s-the-Impact-/story.xhtml?story_id=111008O891L0
Once again... it is wide spread knowledge that Nokia is not doing as well as was expected as mentioned below:
http://www.gsminsider.com/2012/06/no-windows-phone-8-updates-for-all.html
and here is another article talking about the risk to Generation 2 device sales...
http://nothingwired.com/2012/06/21/older-windows-phone-will-7-8-upgrade-windows-phone-8/
Btw, I could reference many other articles written by people who are not just owners upset by the lack of upgrade.
But apparently I am misinformed and only "negative noisy" people believe this....
Maybe you are misinformed....
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Blah ... Blah... Blah... go buy Iphone...
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Blah ... Blah... Blah... go buy Iphone...
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MS made a few diehard fans happy while the consumer base shifts away from WP, go figure. You don't have to tell people to go buy an iPhone. In fact, MS WANTS people to state "go buy a WP." Will anyone say this? Hell no, not even you.
A few people being noisy here are actually people who have been defending MS since the age of WM, like me. The rest who left simply left because they didn't even care throwing a word back. I know for a fact that I can't find a single ground to back MS any longer. Feature wise? No, too obvious. Fluidity? No because phones nowadays are supercharged, 2-3 seconds faster doesn't mean crap to fill up the gap of features. Update path? complete BS.
You can be sheeps for WP 8 to hopefully help it gain grounds. I know I will join the base once the damn thing becomes well established.
Why are ppl so much bothered about updates?
I bought my Lumia 900 simply because it looks awsome and is more reliable than any other smarthphone i have used. Surely it has bad points too but i dont give a damn.
I use my Lumia 900 to its last breath everyday, i am heave tweeter, emailing surfig gaming, calling etc. WP7 is perfect as it is, it only needs some minor touches.
Same goes for Android and IOS (in their childhood days, these OSes were not complete either, Infact IOS is still struggling with main features.
I was too keen on recieveing updates on my older phones but each time i updated problems started to come along. As soon as my Xperia X10 got updated to 2.3 i sold it after a week. My galaxy s2 when got updated to ICS i sold it after 3 days due to amount of FC and other lags. My Iphone 3gs i sold it after one week when got updated to IOS 4
Pls guys grow up.
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MS made a few diehard fans happy while the consumer base shifts away from WP
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Got some facts or figures to back that up?
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A few people being noisy here are actually people who have been defending MS since the age of WM, like me. The rest who left simply left because they didn't even care throwing a word back.
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Key word: Few. Well, 2 key words then: noisy.
I've seen this happen so many times before: Video games, TV shows, politics, religion... none of it ever comes true. A few leave in a huff, noisily disgruntled, and the rest continue on without any problems.
There's no dooms day, there's no market share problem, there's no negative impact what so ever with sales. Drag my post up in 6 months and prove me wrong about that, but I sincerely doubt that it will end up any other way.
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I know for a fact that I can't find a single ground to back MS any longer.
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This is the only truth you've stated. It's your choice, always has been, always will be. And there's nothing wrong with your position, as it fits you at this time.
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You can be sheeps for WP 8 to hopefully help it gain grounds. I know I will join the base once the damn thing becomes well established.
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Don't really feel like a sheep - heck, I posted the opposite of the current flavor of the week as far as opinions. And what I stated was my choice, always has been, always will be.
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Wy dont you at least post something pertinant to the conversation? The forums are made for discussion and thats what we are doing. I respect peoples opinions here if they agree or disagree with me but yours are plain useless.
I dont have to go and buy another phone because I have issues with what is happening. I hate the Iphone and have pushed the devices even after I bought a 6.5 device only to find out it couldnt be upgraded to 7.
I didnt have another 400 plus dollars to drop on a wp 7 device so I took an android device from my provider. I liked it alot and it received both a Gingerbread update and ICS. But I wanted a Windows phone so I bought the Samsung Focus which I just replaced it with the Lumia.
What frustrates me is that people are putting words in our mouths here. I dont hear anyone who complained saying they hate the Lumia or that they expect to get an update with features that apply to hardware that doesnt exist.
They just want an upgrade path such as the one Microsoft is providing to those who buy a pc before Windows 8 is released.
I may be wrong but hardware was quoted as the reason that WM devices didnt get an update but the HTC HD device proved that was not true. I dont believe that if Microsoft Windows specs are not even dual core that wp8 cantnbe ported. In my mind its a case of dont want to, not cant. If that was the answer as much as that would be frustrating I would respect it more then the "we can't".
In summary I will post my opinion and if you dont like it go read some static website with no discussion or coments.
What can you do to defend MS this time eh? If you think you can, then perhaps you might be interested in being the marketing general manager for MS that Gavin Kim left after 5 months. Pay rate is nice, I guess, but the job will be very, very tough.
When people leave, they simply leave without a comment (who cares really for a oh-so product?) The ones throwing comments are those who have been trying to back MS and become alienated by the very same company. You find it noisy? You have the choice to sit back and be quiet. By joining in you opt to be noisy as well. Plus, is WP noisy enough so that others will say "go buy a WP"?
If you want written facts, go find it yourself or wait for Gartner report. If you believe WP is doing well after this, well that's what you think. The deal is not a few, but a lot will dump WP and a few continue on, including you, because its limited features meet your expectations. The iPhone 4S is still going for $400+ used in Washington State, try to top that number with a lumia in any market. Even the iPhone 4 now has better resale value than the lumia thanks to recent news.
I don't need some dude to point out what's my choice and what's not. I call those WP8 adopters sheeps because it has not established a solid ground yet. If you know it's your choice, keep it to yourself because I didn't ask "why."
I say WP7 just became a "feature phone." Yeah, the competitive pricing did say something :victory:
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What can you do to defend MS this time eh? If you think you can, then perhaps you might be interested in being the marketing general manager for MS that Gavin Kim left after 5 months. Pay rate is nice, I guess, but the job will be very, very tough.
When people leave, they simply leave without a comment (who cares really for a oh-so product?) The ones throwing comments are those who have been trying to back MS and become alienated by the very same company. You find it noisy? You have the choice to sit back and be quiet. By joining in you opt to be noisy as well. Plus, is WP noisy enough so that others will say "go buy a WP"?
If you want written facts, go find it yourself or wait for Gartner report. If you believe WP is doing well after this, well that's what you think. The deal is not a few, but a lot will dump WP and a few continue on, including you, because its limited features meet your expectations. The iPhone 4S is still going for $400+ used in Washington State, try to top that number with a lumia in any market. Even the iPhone 4 now has better resale value than the lumia thanks to recent news.
I don't need some dude to point out what's my choice and what's not. I call those WP8 adopters sheeps because it has not established a solid ground yet. If you know it's your choice, keep it to yourself because I didn't ask "why."
I say WP7 just became a "feature phone." Yeah, the competitive pricing did say something :victory:
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*shrug* you posted on my thread - where I stated what I've done and where I'm at and what I plan to do, by complaining and taking things I said out of context and changing the meaning (i.e. noisy people), then attribute my post to being some kind of MS hype.
On top of that, you responded with factless claims of doomsday scenarios and disapointment. I ask for the facts to back up these claims, and you tell me to look for myself (meaning you don't have any, there's none to show).
There are pleanty of other threads here at XDA where people are saying the same thing as you are, ad nausium. You're free to go post there. I don't feel particularly bad when you post in my thread and restate what's been said before in other threads and accuse me of things I didn't say and attribute ideas to me that I didn't have.
I'm sorry for your sense of loss, I sincerly hope you find peace (this is not sarcastic, I mean it - it's only a phone after all ).
I believe you are missing a few points here:
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I hate the Iphone and have pushed the devices even after I bought a 6.5 device only to find out it couldnt be upgraded to 7.
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Would you really have preferred that the 6.5 device were upgraded to WP7? That would have held WP7 back on specs/features, with the exception of a few phones (HD2).
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I may be wrong but hardware was quoted as the reason that WM devices didnt get an update but the HTC HD device proved that was not true. I dont believe that if Microsoft Windows specs are not even dual core that wp8 cantnbe ported. In my mind its a case of dont want to, not cant. If that was the answer as much as that would be frustrating I would respect it more then the "we can't".
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Again, don't think for a moment that the Lumia 900 is out of the game. There are SO MANY of them out there now, that they will become the next HD2. DEVs are going to bring WP8 to the Lumia, mark my words. The device is too nice not to go there.
As for Microsoft not bringing it, I could care less. My Lumia is the best phone I've owned since I've been using wireless. And my first Mobile phone was a Motorola Bag Phone. Yes, the heavy shoulder strap phone that lasted about 3 hours and cost $200-$1500 per month to use. I've owned MANY phones over these years, and again, the Lumia 900 beats them ALL, hands down. If it was never upgraded to WP8, that's just fine! They did NOT say they were going to stop supporting it, they just said they were not going to port WP8 to it. There's a Big difference. You will still get updates, you will still get leading edge software, you will still get firmware updates. I don't see the problem.
When does a company decide when to stop supporting Full OS upgrades? It's a tough decision I'm sure, but it has to be made. If they offered OS upgrades forever, they would never make enough money to continue to develop. I don't want to see that happening.
My next phone will also be a Nokia. They are going to support WP better than any other OS, because they HAVE to in order to survive. They've already shown their support in a big way, and they've shown how they are going to continue to do so. Maybe it will not be WP8, but it will be the next best thing. A new Start Screen that most everyone has been anxious to get, and a host of other updates are to come. Just because they have not spelled it all out, does not mean it's not happening. They said all the NON-HARDWARE features would be brought to the Lumia. That could include All Sorts of Fantastic things. Some have already arrived (Camera Extras, Play-To), and I'm sure they will bring a lot more.
Before WP7, I also wanted the latest ROM or OS on my Windows Mobile phones, and to some extent, still do. I even ported and cooked ROMs to get there. But since using WP, I am not quite as anxious, because it really works quite well. That's mostly what I was trying to get out of Windows Mobile. Stable, Fast, Fun. WP Already has that!
My opinion, give Winkia/Nokidows a little time to prove where they are going to take us. Honestly, by the time WP8 comes around, I'll be itching for a new device anyways, so my Lumia 900 will replace my Focus as my Test Bed/Dev device...
Nobody talks about doomsday and whatnot, at least I never stated them. You got delusions about doomsday or is it haunting you
WP is small fry, idc about facts for this. If you love it, go research to back it up, don't tell me this and that. If you were successful, maybe MS would want you in its WP marketing team and pay you nicely. I never told you to agree with me. My style is "take it or leave it." My writing is not to convince, but to explain. I don't assume you this and that (heck I never even made a statement how you felt about your phone). However, it looks like you do assume a lot of thing about me. Why do you care? :laugh:
P/S: all my three Lumia 900 have been craigslisted successfully, I feel relieved
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On top of that, you responded with factless claims of doomsday scenarios and disapointment. I ask for the facts to back up these claims, and you tell me to look for myself (meaning you don't have any, there's none to show).
There are pleanty of other threads here at XDA where people are saying the same thing as you are, ad nausium. You're free to go post there. I don't feel particularly bad when you post in my thread and restate what's been said before in other threads and accuse me of things I didn't say and attribute ideas to me that I didn't have.
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I too am very happy with my Lumia 900. Coming from a Samsung Captivate, I can't complain. The difference is just night and day. It didn't bother me knowing the phone's inability for a WP8 update. When those devices come out, buy'em. Problem solved. When WP9 devices come out, buy'em! Problem solved..and so on.
The world is fortunate to have a vast variety of technological options. Options which never ceases to evolve. No need to whine when your brand new toy becomes obsolete tomorrow. Technology is about evolution.
Like what eknutson said, it's just a phone after all.
guys this thread is about some one likes the Lumia 900 and I love my Lumia 900 tooo.... so keep it to it...
all the people are talking about is that wp 7.8 will not be as good as the WP8..... come on no one knows what will be in WP7.8 and WP8???? this is stupidity to argue about things MS do not want to tell people right now...
and second of all MS and Nokia are not stupid that they will screw up users...
last but not least if your phone do not have NFC and high res screen then MS do not think the OS should be WP8, i am fine with it...
and if i dont get the WP8 or WP7.8 my phone still works graet i am very happy...
Microsoft officially announced what will be in 7.8: new home screen, 100,000 apps and counting, and Nokia Lumia exclusive apps.
I agree with you. I got mine today as a shift from my old n70, after 5 years of honorable service (now it starts to freeze, takes forever to boot, hangs-up every now and then and disconnects me once in a while saying "SIM card refused -time to retire - ) and I think it looks gorgeous. the screen is very good, especially with max luminosity. haven't tried everything, since I have to update the SIM to microSIM, but offline functionality has made me happy the moment it arrived. sent friend request
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I agree with you. I got mine today as a shift from my old n70, after 5 years of honorable service (now it starts to freeze, takes forever to boot, hangs-up every now and then and disconnects me once in a while saying "SIM card refused -time to retire - ) and I think it looks gorgeous. the screen is very good, especially with max luminosity. haven't tried everything, since I have to update the SIM to microSIM, but offline functionality has made me happy the moment it arrived. sent friend request
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Using "max luminosity", your battery will die much quicker. You will probably want to experiment with different settings to get a good look, and battery life. I used Automatic, and was happy most of the time.
Also, you can actually cut your SIM card using a knife or scissors to make it fit your phone. I've done it a few times. At least until you can get to the store and get a new one. Just look at photos on the internet to get an idea where to cut it, Pretty close, and it will work. Also, make sure it fits the sim tray well, so it does not hang up on the sim slot.
Hi Folks,
Sorry if this thread is a duplicate. I couldn't find anything on web regarding jailbreaking Lumia 900. I'm really frustrated with W7 mobile OS. Like many of you I moved from apple/android just to try different. But now I'm feeling very bad about my decision and am stuck with this piece for another year. I was wondering if there is jailbreak software available. I just can't download and install anything on this phone. A simple change of theme or font is also restricted. Maybe I'm not aware of techniques which would help. Can someone please tell me how to install new themes, change look of the interface, make it more lively like android or IOS interface? Appeciate your response.
Thanks,
Rookie19
It is rooting, not jail breaking.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using xda app-developers app
There is no way to get "root" on the Lumia 900 at the moment. Even then all you can really do is add new accent colors to tweak the UI. I don't think font's can be changed, and you certainly can't make it look more like iOS or Android.
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There is no way to get "root" on the Lumia 900 at the moment. Even then all you can really do is add new accent colors to tweak the UI. I don't think font's can be changed, and you certainly can't make it look more like iOS or Android.
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Thanks for the response. Hope someone figures out rooting this mobile soon.
It may come, but with the 920 on the Horizon, I'd call it a safe bet that what little interest there seems to be in the dev community on the 900 (None.) will drop even lower.
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It may come, but with the 920 on the Horizon, I'd call it a safe bet that what little interest there seems to be in the dev community on the 900 (None.) will drop even lower.
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well it seems (base on what i have read) that the nokia's bootloader is way locked down. i bought a lumia 900 just to play around with it before the lumia 920 comes out. i was hoping to see some form of development for the 900 but that seems unlikely. which is really sad. i was hoping to learn from some development in the 900 so when i buy the 920 ill be ready. all this lack of development for the 900 (while some of the windows phone like the focus has lots of development. which one dev already cooked up a wp8 rom for) is making me think twice about jumping on the 920 bandwagon. good thing that pawnshop i bought the nokia lumia 900 from does 30days money back guarantee hehe.
i was debating between the 920 and the galaxy note 2. now im leaning more towards the note2. man i really wanted to get a nokia phone (my go to phone brand before the iphone came out).
on the side note: how the heck do you lower the keyboard keys volume down or at least turn them off. its starting to annoy me
edit: found how to turn off keys sound. anyway to just lower the volume in them?
It's under settings/ringtones+sounds.
untick Key Press
It's all about interest
I retired a Samsung Focus that I had a great, and very time consuming, time modifying and flashing. I think there are several things going on here. I believe the type of person who buys the Nokia Lumia 900, in general, has little interest in modifying beyond what the OS provides. In addition, the OS is getting better all the time and eliminating the need to modify. These are just general observations. I know several of you will come back and say, "Hey, I want to flash and modify". OK, great. Most people do not. I no longer have any desire to go beyond what new releases of the OS provides. Why the heck would anyone want to buy a WP7 device to mod it to look like the Android or IPhone OS????? That is absurd. If you want those OS's and UI's, buy them, but don't complain that WP7 won't let you make it look like those other UI's.
I have a Nokia 900 that has never had a reboot, freeze or slowdown in almost a year. I would NEVER go back to the days of custom ROMs and sideloaded XAPs and the slowdowns, feezes and random reboots that come along with the wild, wild west approach. No thank you to that mess. When I was into it I convinced myself I had to do it and it was fun. Now that I have WP7.5 and the Nokia 900, I know I was only fooling myself and I wasted hours a day.
I don't believe there is a chorus of users asking for this, nor developer interest in doing the work to find loophole to take advantage of.
Amen Brother!
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Hi James Allen, hi all
Sorry about my english, I'm from Spain.
In my opinion, you're full in right. If people whant's something else, why don't they by "this" something else.
I'm fully satisfy with my Lumia 900. It's smart, fast, and I did not see one error or bug in the hole month since I bought it.
OS Version 7.10.8779.8
Firmware Version 2175.2503.8779.12301
It just would be nice to could put my self-made xap on it (no third party) I'm programmer. As I red, that the Lumia would approve to run Silverlight-Applications, it was one point more, to get it. I'm working for a project in Silverlight/C# professionally and on my own I have developed many tools in several areas. It just would be nice to get them running on this little fine handy. But for trying and so, it's to much to pay $99 a year just to could put 10 Applications inside. And never know, if they will be something at the end.
Right this tools you named, I was trying last weekend to make them run (hours to find something, and then to see, it's impossible),
ChevronWP7 and WP7 Root Tools to unlock the phone and access the file system.
Like you, I spent mounths with stuff like that, Nokia, Samsung, Wii, Dreambox (I never liked the iPhone), and at the end it just was for waisting time. I never play with my Wii and when, only Mario (with the Game I bought), with the games in Samung Handy, I played about 2 days. and my Dreambox ist empty in a box, cause after bring it to work, when I watch TV, then just a Blu-ray or DVD, so I erased all and putted away. My friends look at me, as would I be an alien
But this time it's different, I want my phone to get running my applications but it seems I have to wait for a custom rom for a long time, or to make my tools get running on the sdk-emulator, and if it seems to be good, to pay this damn $99.
Anyway it was really interesting, to read what you wrote on friday.
If you have some information about to get running the "ChevronWP7" and/or the "WP7 Root Tools" on Lumia 900, every help is really welcome!
Till there is something, I first go on developping
Have a nice Sunday!
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I have a Nokia 900 that has never had a reboot, freeze or slowdown in almost a year.
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How's that possible? The Lumia 900 is only 6 months in the market...?