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Inc 2 - poor data speeds?

for the hell of it i just did a speedtest on my Inc2 and these were the results:
Ping - 219ms
Download Speed - 0.29 Mbps
Upload Speed - 0.26 Mbps
my phone is currently showing 3 bars.
when i had the Thunderbolt it was showing like 7 Mbps DL & 2 Mbps UL in this area(without 4G).
does anyone else have crap speeds to?

You are comparing a 3G phone (Inc2) to a 4G phone (Thunderbolt)... Ofcourse its going to be slower...
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he said without 4G... should be the same.

I find it highly suspect that a 3G connection was generating 7mbit. The maximum burst rate (meaning: not streaming rate) is 3mbit for EVDO Rev.A. Both the Thunderbolt and the Incredible 2 have 3G radios using Rev.A, not Rev.B.
I've noticed sometimes the connectivity indicator has a delayed update and I can be connected to 3G before the icon changes from 1x to 3G coming out of the parking garage at my office (I can tell because streams that don't work on 1x would start up fine).
I've been able to get over 1mbit consistently on my Inc2, and have been able to exceed 2mbit in some areas.

voxigenboy said:
for the hell of it i just did a speedtest on my Inc2 and these were the results:
Ping - 219ms
Download Speed - 0.29 Mbps
Upload Speed - 0.26 Mbps
my phone is currently showing 3 bars.
when i had the Thunderbolt it was showing like 7 Mbps DL & 2 Mbps UL in this area(without 4G).
does anyone else have crap speeds to?
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yea... mine has been annoying me too. I always seem to get a higher upload than I do download speed.
This is after 4 tries back to back, all of them upload speed was higher.
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Houston, Tx by the way
Even though Tmobile sucks when it comes to coverage area, I kind of miss the 3g speeds I had with them. My Vibrant would hit 5 mbps constantly

Just used the same SpeedTest.net app, after three back to back tries:
Down: 1742, 1192, 1894 kbps
Up: 589, 675, 543 kbps
Ping: 185, 140, 220 ms
Full bars in northern NJ

Full bars
signal around -71 dBm
Ping: 211ms
Download: 884kbps
Upload: 699kbps

jrizk07 said:
yea... mine has been annoying me too. I always seem to get a higher upload than I do download speed.
This is after 4 tries back to back, all of them upload speed was higher.
Houston, Tx by the way
Even though Tmobile sucks when it comes to coverage area, I kind of miss the 3g speeds I had with them. My Vibrant would hit 5 mbps constantly
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what rom are you on?

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what rom are you on?
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Stock rooted Gingersense, I took a screenshot back at my desk where I have no bars but was outside when I ran the test.
Had full bars and i'm on the new radio.

You need to turn on Roaming I know it doesn't make any sense
Wireless & Networks - Mobile Networks - Data Roaming Checked & CDMA Options - SYS select automatic. There I bet it's fixed.
I live in Philly across from a major hospital with thousands of people inside.
I have 3 bars at my house usually. When I first got my OG Droid it was faster than my DSL at 2200k. Then after I guess more people got smartphones it got slower and slower.
I was getting max 200k oftentimes 80k at my house since Fall '10. At work it is much better around 1200k stable but at 5pm at work used to kick me off the network. No biggie right I have wifi at home. Well it is a pain if you take a walk outside and there is a dead zone around your house.
So I decided to try a friends Sprint phone. SAME EXACT signal readings same speed. Got an Inc 2 finally I thought my droid was crap. Same thing with new phone.
Then I started trying everything. Turned on Roaming as noted above bingo!
I have a feeling Sprint / Verizon towers are used jointly? Like you need roaming for things to work properly in downtown philly. I don't know but I don't loose connection anymore whenever I have bars showing. Where in areas that there are a large number of people I had problems previously at peak hours. Now everything is stable now.
It doesn't make any sense to me at all. It is turned off by default on all phones?? But the difference is like night and day. I mean I know Verizon/Sprint share networks but that should only be in the boonies? I would love an answer. Just don't go overseas with that enabled.

i am satisfied with my inc2 data speeds. i put my inc2 next to an evo 4g (running in 3g mode because there is no 4g in my area)...and the inc2 loaded all the websites i tested quicker than the evo.
the inc2 was showing 1 to 2 bars, the evo showing full bars... i would click on a link at the same time on both phones and inc2 won everytime.

I average a MB up and down, zero complains. Running 2.3.3 (recent upgrade).
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I used to get atleast 1MB with 3+ bars on stock froyo before S-OFF, but after I installed CM7 Beta 1 I'm getting lower bars than I did before, is that happening with anyone else, or is it one of those things you just randomly notice?

pinakaeus said:
I used to get atleast 1MB with 3+ bars on stock froyo before S-OFF, but after I installed CM7 Beta 1 I'm getting lower bars than I did before, is that happening with anyone else, or is it one of those things you just randomly notice?
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Don't look st the bars. They are set to show so many based on signal and that changes from Rom to Rom (why a dx can show 4 bars but I have 2) go to settings about phone and look at your signal strength.
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Yianaki said:
Wireless & Networks - Mobile Networks - Data Roaming Checked & CDMA Options - SYS select automatic. There I bet it's fixed.
I live in Philly across from a major hospital with thousands of people inside.
I have 3 bars at my house usually. When I first got my OG Droid it was faster than my DSL at 2200k. Then after I guess more people got smartphones it got slower and slower.
I was getting max 200k oftentimes 80k at my house since Fall '10. At work it is much better around 1200k stable but at 5pm at work used to kick me off the network. No biggie right I have wifi at home. Well it is a pain if you take a walk outside and there is a dead zone around your house.
So I decided to try a friends Sprint phone. SAME EXACT signal readings same speed. Got an Inc 2 finally I thought my droid was crap. Same thing with new phone.
Then I started trying everything. Turned on Roaming as noted above bingo!
I have a feeling Sprint / Verizon towers are used jointly? Like you need roaming for things to work properly in downtown philly. I don't know but I don't loose connection anymore whenever I have bars showing. Where in areas that there are a large number of people I had problems previously at peak hours. Now everything is stable now.
It doesn't make any sense to me at all. It is turned off by default on all phones?? But the difference is like night and day. I mean I know Verizon/Sprint share networks but that should only be in the boonies? I would love an answer. Just don't go overseas with that enabled.
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if I enable roaming though it gives me a warning about extra charges. is that true?

voxigenboy said:
if I enable roaming though it gives me a warning about extra charges. is that true?
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well yes, if you're roaming.

voxigenboy said:
if I enable roaming though it gives me a warning about extra charges. is that true?
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Verizon has a roaming agreement with sprint. I think it would only come into play overseas. In Europe that setting could get you in to trouble.
Had Roaming on from NY to SC not a peep from Verizon billing.
It's much faster right less data drops too.

Yianaki said:
Verizon has a roaming agreement with sprint. I think it would only come into play overseas. In Europe that setting could get you in to trouble.
Had Roaming on from NY to SC not a peep from Verizon billing.
It's much faster right less data drops too.
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It's true
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Yianaki said:
Wireless & Networks - Mobile Networks - Data Roaming Checked & CDMA Options - SYS select automatic. There I bet it's fixed.
I live in Philly across from a major hospital with thousands of people inside.
I have 3 bars at my house usually. When I first got my OG Droid it was faster than my DSL at 2200k. Then after I guess more people got smartphones it got slower and slower.
I was getting max 200k oftentimes 80k at my house since Fall '10. At work it is much better around 1200k stable but at 5pm at work used to kick me off the network. No biggie right I have wifi at home. Well it is a pain if you take a walk outside and there is a dead zone around your house.
So I decided to try a friends Sprint phone. SAME EXACT signal readings same speed. Got an Inc 2 finally I thought my droid was crap. Same thing with new phone.
Then I started trying everything. Turned on Roaming as noted above bingo!
I have a feeling Sprint / Verizon towers are used jointly? Like you need roaming for things to work properly in downtown philly. I don't know but I don't loose connection anymore whenever I have bars showing. Where in areas that there are a large number of people I had problems previously at peak hours. Now everything is stable now.
It doesn't make any sense to me at all. It is turned off by default on all phones?? But the difference is like night and day. I mean I know Verizon/Sprint share networks but that should only be in the boonies? I would love an answer. Just don't go overseas with that enabled.
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It is often the case that providers will share towers. Many communities hate the sight of towers in their area (they're ugly...yes, this really does happen) so they are forced to keep them to a minimum. They share towers but not necessarily radio equipment, so you may not be necessarily be running through Sprint on a Sprint tower.

Not terrible. Houston

Lost of phone signal - 3uk network

Hope its not like apple aerial problem that plague them in the past, but today is my 3rd time over a week that I have lost phone signal on 3 UK network.
I am in a relatively strong signal, and my wife's signal is full bars on her HTC hero.
And when I try search for network it says error searching strange away as if there is a hardware fault. Only reboot fix this.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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tweedie said:
Hope its not like apple aerial problem that plague them in the past, but today is my 3rd time over a week that I have lost phone signal on 3 UK network.
I am in a relatively strong signal, and my wife's signal is full bars on her HTC hero.
And when I try search for network it says error searching strange away as if there is a hardware fault. Only reboot fix this.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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I'm using on T-Mobile US (although I actually use Three when I visit the UK, several times a year) and I found one thing which *MAY* help.
It depends where you are, if you use Three only on their 3G signal, or if you rely on their 2G roaming with Orange or whoever it is these days. Anyway, you could try the following:
From the dialer, dial *#*#4636#*#* (4636 spelling INFO) and it will bring up a hidden "Testing" menu.
- Choose the first option "Phone Information"
- Scroll down and you'll see a pull down menu where you can select the network type
- Mine seems to default to GSM/CDMA auto (PRL)
- Try changing it to "WCDMA only" which should force your phone to ONLY use Three's 2100MHz network. (You could try "WCDMA Preferred" which should leave you with 2G as a fallback if needed).
I have no real evidence that this works - only that for me, it *seems* to hold onto a T-Mobile USA 3G signal a bit better - but I could be fooling myself.
Anyway, feel free to try it - you shouldn't need to reboot or anything. If it doesnt help, or screws something up, you can always set it back to the original setting (note that down!!).
Be careful playing around with the stuff in those menus BTW!!! Don't touch anything if you don't know what it does!

Well, I am afraid changing that WCDMA didn't stop my lost of signal problem I just suffered a few moments ago.
I KNOW its a perfect signals where I am. I work from home, so no roaming about.
Any other ideas? The SIM I am using was perfectly fine on the samsung galaxy s I had previously.

I also have reception problems - Vodafone UK/Handtec phone.
Sometimes it loses reception completely - have to turn off/on.
Often it jumps from 2G to HSPA when I know I should have stable 3G where I live.
If I go into area where there is no reception and come out under clear sky - it takes veeeery long time to get reception back. Its quicker to turn off/on the phone.
Its VERY buggy - email stopped working, volume on keypad goes on/off, error when trying to view gallery etc.
I hope in few months time Google gets it sorted.

I don't get any other buggy issues with my phone. Just signal drops. This is my 4th android phone - none of them experienced this problem before with the same sim card.
Its acting like its gone into airplane mode (but without the plane, but with working wifi)
Not a great solution to keep turning it off/on to regain its signal - I am not even aware of the lost of signal, and can't be missing any important calls/text.
Oh man. I don't really want to take my phone back!

I have a very similar problem with my GN as per this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374190
I have a new Galaxy Nexus from Amazon, sim free. Connects to Vodafone UK with no problem but will lose the connection entirely when I try to make or receive a call.
Same symptoms, loses carrier signal entirely, like in airplane mode but wifi, bluetooth etc carry on working. The same SIM (which I've had for years) works just fine in my old Desire.
Vodafone UK are sending me a new SIM so I'll try that but otherwise I think it will have to be returned to Amazon.

well, 6th time to lose signal was the last straw, so took the phone back to three shop. They haven't heard of this problem, but then again its so new.
The staff were brilliant - got the phone exchanged without kicking up any fuss
So will see how it goes. I did ask what happens if i still find a fault - they said next step is to replace the sim. Would have thought replacing the sim first rather then the phone, but hey-ho - a new phone. hope nothing else is wrong with it!

i have a replacement device coming for this very same issue today.
I am on an expandsys device on ATT.
the signal has got to the point of being so bad that i have 93% signal loss in my home which usually gets 3/4 bars.
My wifes iphone is working just fine as well.
hopefully the new device fixes it , if not they are both going back.

3-UK User here.
Only had GN since last thursday but not experience any of these symptoms.

Glad to see another 3-uk user having a GN - and not experiencing the no-signal problem - so it looks more promising.
aimetti - sounds like you got a lot worse then mine. most of the time, for me, the signal is fine - the lost of signal is occurring when I wake my phone from sleep and it doesn't always seem to regain signal back.

Instead of jumping onto a new phone, I think you guys should try a new SIM first. I saw a thread of people losing connection on Vodafone and a new SIM fixed it for all them

Well I just received my replacement
I will fill you all in. If it doesnt work I will activate my iphone 4s and put the micro sim in an adapter and test it in the SGN to see if its sim related.

Same problem here!
I've the same problem as tweedie's...
Seems to lose signal most of the time after waking up the phone.
could anyone told me how to fix this, of if it goes away with your replacement?
( in other words, I wan to know if this is a bug of ICS v.4.0.1, or a hardware problem)

I received a replacement same issues happening.
Have a trouble ticket open on Google with many replies but no help from Google.
I have been using the adr rom and the xxkk6 radio and seems to be a bit better.
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Romler, i took the phone back to store for replacement. Had no trouble since then which must be three weeks ago now.
It MUST be hardware related. Both had same stock rom, had little software installed, same location and both same version of rom.

I've been with 3 UK since 22/11/11 and I have had flawless service with them with no drop of signals at all.
The only time I lost signal was in the late hours one night for a few mins. When the signal came back I noticed I'm now getting HSPA+ with speeds of about 5-6 meg where previously I was only getting HSDPA with speeds of 2-3meg. To me that's proof enough of their network upgrades.
Rik.
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aindow said:
I've been with 3 UK since 22/11/11 and I have had flawless service with them with no drop of signals at all.
The only time I lost signal was in the late hours one night for a few mins. When the signal came back I noticed I'm now getting HSPA+ with speeds of about 5-6 meg where previously I was only getting HSDPA with speeds of 2-3meg. To me that's proof enough of their network upgrades.
Rik.
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Bah if you're on HSDPA+. Still on normal HSDPA.
As for this 3 issue, I am on 3 and I have not had any issues at all. In fact 3 are better than other networks, at least better than Orange.

Three has been rolling out the H+ network the past month so it could be part of the work they were doing.
Will the Nexus display the H+ symbol instead of the plain H next to the battery? Or is there another way to tell if your on the new network?
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Star Shadow said:
Three has been rolling out the H+ network the past month so it could be part of the work they were doing.
Will the Nexus display the H+ symbol instead of the plain H next to the battery? Or is there another way to tell if your on the new network?
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H is shown when connected to HSPA+ OR HSDPA
3G is shown when on a basic 3g service. Some phones drop to this to save battery when the faster speeds are not needed eg for background syncing(since the latest radio update, XXKK6, mine just switches between HSDPA and HSPA+ and very rarely shows just 3g).
G is shown when outside of the 3 network area. The phone will be using the Orange 2g network.
The status bar shows 3 when on Three, but shows 3 with another 3 below it when roaming on Orange.
If you go in to settings, about phone, status it will show the network type like below. Mine is sat on HSDPA and only switches to HSPA+ when I need to load something over the net
Connected to HSPA+
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Thanks for the info. I wonder if there is a widget we could get that is shown in the status bar that shows when we are on hsdp+, then I know if my area is covered. Otherwise, by the time you go to that screen, you may be off the H+ network and back to regular.

Terrible Network Speed & Terrible Battery Life

I am wanting to make sure that these are the general speeds everyone else is getting with their E4GT. I noticed that it generally takes so much longer when trying to do anything with the an application that uses the data connection.
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This is generally consistent for my area, and I am wondering if it is a malfunctioning tower, or what. 4G Speeds are consistently great, when I get a 4G Signal (which isn't at my house).
As far as battery life goes, I literally received 6 hours of usage on a full charge yesterday. I had flashed my phone thursday night to EL13, and I have been EL13 before and was experiencing some pretty good usage.
I am wondering if I should reflash again, and start from scratch all over again. I have calibrated the battery by letting it die off, then charging it to 100, didn't seem to help.

Well i can say this. It looks like in general you are in weak signal areas most of the time. Weak signals from tours and terrible battery life absolutely go hand in hand. See it works like this. The weaker the signal the more power your phone puts out in order to increase the strength of the signal. With a great signal and not touching my phone it could sleep for 4-7 days before running out of battery. How ever at my old work place where i had a terrible signal in just 5-6 hours of my phone in sleep mode i could easilly go from. 100% charge to 30%. A bad signal will drain your battery faster than almost anything you could otherwise do on your phone except maybe recording HD video. Hooe this helps you. Feel free to ask a question via pm if i was confusing at all.
EDIT- Sprint is known for giving away free Air Wave's to people to boost signal at your house which should increase your battery life dramatically. Also there could be a problem keeping your phone from going into a deep sleep which also could eat your battery alive also. Some times its comonly a app that you installed that could cause. Your phone not to go into a deep sleep. If you have the bad luck of having a combo of both of these problems your phone battery wouldnt stand a chance sadly

In the first picture, regarding speedtest, I would generally agree. I just took that at my house literally 20 minutes before posting.
But the other pictures, have 4 to 5 bars. Assuming that amount of bars is relative to signal, wouldn't that indicate that I have a pretty good signal?

Could be work on your local tower too. Call *2 and see if there is any reported outage as well.
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As gho stated there may be an outage or there are working on the towers. As far as battery life i suffered from it. Now battery life seems better once i downloaded juice defender and ram manager
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My speeds are creeping up... I use to get 3.x on 3G where I live.
Now at work, its a different story... Horrible.
Battery life is great, but the bad signal theory mentioned can be a problem in areas.

Ho-lee-crap does a low signal area suck your battery dry. I did some x-mas shopping (moar like browsing) in North Hampton. I don't really ever go there except around x-mas time to bar hop and pretend to x-mas shop with some friends....and holy crap, the Sprint signal sucked there...and Verizon signal even seemed to suck there. I could barely even roam. Got the "absolutely no signal" circle, feared it was LOS coming back from the ancient past, but as soon as we left the bar I was lucky enough to roam with 0 bars.
I have been getting 24-38 hours (estimated) battery life lately. (Assuming that I would have a similar usage pattern the next day.) I charge at night at roughly 35-50% and take it off the charger at 4am before work. Typically no charging all day.
So I knew I would be out all day so I charged it up at work. Left at 12pm at 100%, min200, max200, conservative governor. Twiddled a little on the ride...got there around 1ish...left around 4ish. Took a few pictures. Didn't do a go damned thing with data, that's for sure. I was at 20% the next I looked.
Like whoa.

I do have an airave, however, I had turned it off as I was wanting to do some experimental testing with our home network. Was wanting to eliminate that as a cause of the problem.
Seems like I have fixed the problem since then, so I will be turning it back on.
But I am concerned by this, because well, while I can live with a phone that lasts a day in a bad signal area, 5 hours for me is beyond ridiculous, even my HTC Hero would last longer in a low/non-signal area. That is my big concern.
What are other people averaging in their speedtest.net apps for this phone?

Try turning off the proxies and see if that helps you. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1283229) it maybe the proxies in your area are particularly bad.

GH0 said:
I do have an airave, however, I had turned it off as I was wanting to do some experimental testing with our home network. Was wanting to eliminate that as a cause of the problem.
Seems like I have fixed the problem since then, so I will be turning it back on.
But I am concerned by this, because well, while I can live with a phone that lasts a day in a bad signal area, 5 hours for me is beyond ridiculous, even my HTC Hero would last longer in a low/non-signal area. That is my big concern.
What are other people averaging in their speedtest.net apps for this phone?
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3G is wildly unreliable for me. Most times I'll get miserable speeds like in the first shot and then sometimes I'll decent speeds like in the second screenshot.
4G is okay although I should note that I had to go to my yard to get signal because despite the fact that I live in a strong "in-building" 4G signal area, I can't get signal inside my place anywhere.

:doh:
I haven't had to mess with the airave in so long, that I forgot what port it has to be plugged into.
I have it setup so that it goes:
Modem > Router > Airave
Does it need to be plugged into WAN, LAN1, LAN2. Obviously it shouldn't be plugged into WAN, but, I am not sure if the WAN port automatically falls over to a LAN Port if recognized as such.
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This didn't really help. It actually made my problems much worse at my house.

Thats surprising air wave insanely increases 3G speed. Here are my speeds on 3G
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Sprint is the worst of the big four U.S. carriers as far as network goes. Their 3G speeds are slower than 1990's dial up modems. And WiMax 4G is so spotty and hard to hold it seems more like a gimmick, than actually something meant to be used regularly.
ATT, T-Mobile, and Verizon 3G speeds are easily ten times faster. Sprint's 3G feels like it is stuck on 1x or Edge all the time
Now the Epic 4G Touch is an awesome device itself, I love this phone, best smartphone I ever owned. But Sprint just sucks, not in the same league as Verizon or ATT.
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Thats surprising air wave insanely increases 3G speed. Here are my speeds on 3G
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As I mentioned, I didn't have it plugged in as I was doing testing on my network.
However, I need some confirmation as to what LAN/WAN port to plug it into behind a router. As I have forgotten, and regardless of what port I plug it into, the Airave still fails to give me a confirmed status check (by dialing *99).

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As I mentioned, I didn't have it plugged in as I was doing testing on my network.
However, I need some confirmation as to what LAN/WAN port to plug it into behind a router. As I have forgotten, and regardless of what port I plug it into, the Airave still fails to give me a confirmed status check (by dialing *99).
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WAN Port. Mine Goes Modem -> Router -> WAN Port on Airave (I have the "Airvana", which is the 2nd generation of this device).
SuperG03

Compared to Verisons 1.5Mb/sec - 2.5Mb/sec 3g my .8Mb/sec - 1.2Mb/sec 3g on. Sprint seemed slow to me. But after seing some of you guys that are experiencing .1 - .3Mb/sec i feel lucky to be clearing 1Mb/sec some times. I cant beleive you guys stick around getting 150kps. I would havr bailed a long time ago with those speeds.

bars dont indicate data signal strength. it indicates voice signal strength. you can have no bars and still get 3g, or all bars and no 3g.

Zorachus said:
Sprint is the worst of the big four U.S. carriers as far as network goes. Their 3G speeds are slower than 1990's dial up modems. And WiMax 4G is so spotty and hard to hold it seems more like a gimmick, than actually something meant to be used regularly.
ATT, T-Mobile, and Verizon 3G speeds are easily ten times faster. Sprint's 3G feels like it is stuck on 1x or Edge all the time
Now the Epic 4G Touch is an awesome device itself, I love this phone, best smartphone I ever owned. But Sprint just sucks, not in the same league as Verizon or ATT.
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Do you remember how slow dialup was? The majority of us beat that quite significantly. Also once I changed my proxies (shame it didn't work here) Sprint is on par with Verizon 3g here
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Sprint sucks. At my house I'm lucky if I get 100kbps. But if I drive 5 miles I'm next to a good tower and getting 1400kbps during peak hours.
I keep my phone on wifi as much as possible and use verizon towers, this combo with the cost I'm paying is worth it to me.

Check out 3G improvements being worked on in your area: https://network.sprint.com/

Radio Signal Issues That I don't Understand

Hello,
Recently bought S3 and am in the process of switching to Sprint from Vzw. Currently both phones are active (although my Rezound still has Gingerbread as the ICS upgrade still hasn't dropped and I don't yet want to register my phone as rooted through HTC). I've been comparing the radio signals via settings (ie NOT using bars as the measure) in different location and I'm completely confused at some of the results.
At home, I have good reception on both. The Rezound is pulling around -56 and the S3 -65. Not bad from all that I heard about potentially bad radio. But yesterday, I was in my drs office, and the Rez was pulling -65 and the S3 -104 and was freakin' roaming on data when I'm in a full, strongest area Sprint cell area. I also checked them at the hospital when I was there and had similar results although the S3 wasn't roaming at that point but the radio was still at -104...I had one bar and made a trial call to my DH and it was crystal clear...better than Vzw has ever been.
So what the heck is going on? I understand that GB and ICS have some difference in measuring the radio strength but for the radio to nearly match at home, and drop by half only 1 mile from where I live and be roaming at 2 miles from where I live is craziness. What do you think is going on? Is this an S3 problem and Sprint problem or what? My DH's S3 is acting the same way so I'm confused and at a loss.
Problem is, after only having it two days, we're both so in love with it that we can't imagine not having the S3!
Any info, guidance, etc would be uber helpful. I have to decide in the next week whether to go with Sprint or stay with Vzw which I DON'T want to do and also do an AOL on my Vzw account.

I also checked the area where it started roaming on data and there was FULL service for data in the area and no roaming area for miles around.

Personally for me. Sprint. Hated every second of that carrier.
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But this isn't about Sprint as much as it is about the S3 radio. Why the variance? is that normal? Should the radio numbers be dropping by half? Is it one of the problems that I've heard some of the S3's have with weak radios?

I have the vzw s3 and never had any such things happen to me. When I was with t-mobile on my s2 it would do tg is sort of thing all the time. Just randomly go from 4 bars to AT&T service then back to t-mobile at 1 bar.
Dunno what ur problem is though.
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I have had the same issue since I got my first, so Sprint exchanged it. The new phone is the same.
Stock I was showing a steady signal at about -103 a lot of the time, holding the phone at lower left made it worse.
With CM10 and AOKP (JB):
It's not just that the signal shows week but it jumps around too. At home I range from -90 to -220, yet I can always make a call.
Data often shows x1 then roaming then 3g (no LTE here). And as soon as it roams I show 4 bars, but it never stays long enough to measure DB.
I tried most of the other modems and didn't see any great improvement in signal.
With Team Sonic V0.0.7 and LG8 modem (ICS):
Signal is steady holding at -97 at work, which is about 2 miles from tower.
In any configuration if I get close to the tower I can see -75 but it falls of very rapidly.
No lower left effect using the LG8 modem
I looked at my old EVO 4G, it's off Sprint but still reads signal strength at -97 on CM7.2 GB).

It is possible that these anomalies involve Sprint's network, which is under total reconstruction, not just the phones. It would be useful to test both devices with an app such as CDMA Field Test, to determine if they are connecting to the same tower transmitters.

I notice odd things about the signal also. Sometimes it seems like the signal reporting gets "stuck" and the signal level doesn't change again for a while (both dbm reading and signal bars). When it's working normal, I can see the signal go up and down a little in real-time, but when it's "stuck" i can walk all around my house and it never changes. Going into the debug menu and the signal is stuck there too, both 1x and EVDO. Sometimes toggling airplane mode gets it "unstuck". Hopefully i'm not the only one seeing this. I'm updated to LG8.

I have messed with field testers, still learning what all this stuff means. It's always been good for me to have issues with computers, then I get to learn how to fix them, or at least report the errors to the right people.
I will look at towers to see how to identify them. Then compare the phones connections.
I need to learn more about asu; I think higher is better. Many times I have 1asu but now 8asu -97db.
I guess HwID is the tower name.
I show Cdma RSSI -96dBm and -15 Evdo Eclo 15 dB*10
I will play with other phones when I get home.
I don't think we are likely to be getting LTE now, we are more likely to get what ever comes next like we did with 4G. But that would be great so let's hope it clears up one day and I have LTE to boot!
Thanks!
No your not alone, I have been seeing the same strange stuff, I guess there aren't many of us though or it would be on the news. Still there have been very few times I have not been able to use the phone. But it acts like I am in the mountains when I am only miles from the tower, I don't expect it to work well then there really is low signal. But I am half convinced that it's a reporting problem.

Sprint is currently using the 1900 mHz band, Verizon uses 700 and 800 mHz I think. In general, the higher the frequency the worse the building penetration. So, if you get deep into a building with lots of metal and concrete Sprint will definitely fade first. Over the long term their Network upgrades will use the re-purposed Nextel 800 mHz freqs to improve building penetration but for now things kind of suck in big office buildings.
Of course, they may be doing maintenance on the tower near your drs office.
Also, many large buildings will actually add cell phone repeaters but they don't always cover the Sprint 1900 band.

lost+found said:
I guess HwID is the tower name.
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No, I don't know what that is, but there actually not a "tower name" in CDMA. Rather there is a set of IDs mapped to each sector radio on a tower covering part of the angular pie around it.
Typically there are three sectors per tower, each with its own Base Station. There is a System ID (SID), a Network ID (NID), and a Base Station ID.
Under the Debug menu of the GS3, these IDs are listed on the 1X Engineering Protocol screen. EDIT: Or you can just install the third-party app CDMA Field Test to harvest that data. It also will produce a log of the BSIDs with signal strength, etc.

Sweet, I will play with this all later!
Thanks!

Two cool apps to figure out what tower and SID you are on are Antennas and OpenSignal, both in the Play store for free. Just don't leave them running or they will kill your battery.

poit said:
Two cool apps to figure out what tower and SID you are on are Antennas and OpenSignal, both in the Play store for free. Just don't leave them running or they will kill your battery.
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I've never tried Antennas, but I know that Open Signal Maps methodology for plotting tower locations is very flaky. It is based on triangulating very rough crowdsourced data harvested by users with rough estimates of signal strength. Even the developer's website warns about inaccuracy. From the Google Play Store description of Antennas, it is trying something similar. So beware of this imputed mapping voodoo.
Trying to map tower sites from the coordinates that the tower transmitters broadcast is a whole different story, and has its own complexity. It is very accurate for some tower sites, but for some others the squawked coordinates are offset a large distance away per sector. I have always been able to discern my real tower sites precisley from this data, with some analysis and surveying, but only because I have a Rosetta Stone: A map of the actual Sprint towers available at S4GRU.com.
Note that none of these methods will map an LTE tower directly. These are CDMA tools.
Also, I wouldn't install Antennas myself (or some other apps such as Netmonitor) because I don't trust their intrusive permissions, but some folks don't care as much about protecting their privacy as I do.
Open Signal's on-screen reporting of the Base Station IDs themselves, which just come from the Android telephony API, is probably okay. But I can get that from CDMA Field Test, which also has better logging functionality and a safer permissions profile.

ydoucare said:
I notice odd things about the signal also. Sometimes it seems like the signal reporting gets "stuck" and the signal level doesn't change again for a while (both dbm reading and signal bars). When it's working normal, I can see the signal go up and down a little in real-time, but when it's "stuck" i can walk all around my house and it never changes. Going into the debug menu and the signal is stuck there too, both 1x and EVDO. Sometimes toggling airplane mode gets it "unstuck". Hopefully i'm not the only one seeing this. I'm updated to LG8.
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After playing around some, I can definitely confirm there is some sort of bug that's causing the signal reading to get "stuck" and stop updating. Just sat here with a -84 dbm signal for a couple hours, never budged. As soon as i toggled airplane mode, the signal dropped down and now I see it fluctuating a little as I move the phone around in my house. Prior to toggling airplane mode, the signal level didn't budge no matter what I did. Can anyone else confirm this exact behavior? I'm running stock LG8 rooted.

I looked at the signal on my old EVO using CDMA Field Test and can confirm that both phones are using the same cell and reporting the same signal strength. If I am reading the EvDo signal data correctly the S3 is pulling a much stronger data signal.
Then I tried to setup my wife's old stock EVO to bring to work and it would FC when you tried to bring up the dialog on CDMA Field test, but the notification part was showing the same signal. Then I checked for updates and low and behold there was one. After the update that phone dropped to -102.
I hope I will still be able to root that EVO after the update, I have plans for it that don't include the stock ROM.
I also looked at information in the debug menu; I could see the same basic signal strength there but I could also observe the effect of holding the phone by it's lower left, a drop of of about 5 db, hold from the top and back up, very repeatable. I have to try one of those foolish stick on antenna boosters to see if it would help carry signal around my hand. In addition to building penetration I wonder is the switch to 800mhz might improve this.

Not to change subjects but so far I'm seeing a huge reduction in coverage from my old Evo 4G to my new SG3. I'm now testing a replacement SG3 and I'm done with Sprint if this reduction holds true.
I was with the Evo and I live in a fringe coverage area I guess and the loss of coverage with the SG3 puts me out of usable phone coverage at work or even on the road. Technical support offered a femtocell (free?) to resolve issues which I declined for now.
Many others finding a reduced coverage?

trehouse said:
Not to change subjects but so far I'm seeing a huge reduction in coverage from my old Evo 4G to my new SG3. I'm now testing a replacement SG3 and I'm done with Sprint if this reduction holds true.
I was with the Evo and I live in a fringe coverage area I guess and the loss of coverage with the SG3 puts me out of usable phone coverage at work or even on the road. Technical support offered a femtocell (free?) to resolve issues which I declined for now.
Many others finding a reduced coverage?
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same problems on femto, seems to have hold solid 3g connection all day today though. Sprint doing massive network overhaul, prolly causing alot of connectivity issues. I have posted numerous threads thinking it was s3 radio, when in reality I believe it to be Sprint. Not 1 loss of connection to Airvana today. The problem for me has only plagued the data connection and not voice.
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Signal strength issues? Post your signal strength here.

A few people on other forums, and in the Q&A section of this forum, are reporting that the Razr M has a signal strength approximately 20 dBm lower than other Motorola phones on Verizon. See, for example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1891486
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/5fb46833c0
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-razr-m/224018-razr-m-antennagate.html
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-razr-m/224092-razr-m-i-returned.html
If this is more than a few isolated incidents, it is potentially a pretty serious concern for potential buyers. If you have a Razr M and if you have access to any other Verizon phones (especially Motorola, but I would also be interested in seeing comparisons to any other Verizon phone), please compare their signal strength while sitting side by side and report back. You can see signal strength by going to Settings -> About -> Network (or something similar). Please report signal strength in dBm, not in "bars" showing on your screen, because bars is not consistent across phones.
I would greatly appreciate it if people could respond and let us know whether their Razr M has better, worse, or comparable signal to other phones on Verizon to which they have access. If possible, please report both LTE and 3G signal strengths.
I've posted parallel threads on Androidforums and Androidcentral. No need to reply in multiple threads. I'm just trying to collect as much data as possible and I know that not everybody visits all forums.

I just put my Razr M next to a Droix X, both on Verizon. The X shows --83dBm for signal. My Razr M shows -77dBm for 1X, and -95dBm for 4x.
I have noticed that, on the M, the bars show a lower signal strength than what I would expect, but the performance is fine.

olm3ca said:
I just put my Razr M next to a Droix X, both on Verizon. The X shows --83dBm for signal. My Razr M shows -77dBm for 1X, and -95dBm for 4x.
I have noticed that, on the M, the bars show a lower signal strength than what I would expect, but the performance is fine.
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Thanks for the data point. By 4x I assume you mean 4g lte?
Could you temporarily disable lte on the M by going into phone app and typing *#*#4636#*#* then choose phone information them scroll down to network type and choose cdma only. Then compare the 3g signal on the M to that on the X?
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Razr M:
1x = -90 dBm
3x = -86 dBm
Droid X2:
3x = -93 dBm

Not_A_Dev said:
Razr M:
1x = -90 dBm
3x = -86 dBm
Droid X2:
3x = -93 dBm
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Thanks for the data point!
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Don't have anything to compare to but
Razr m:
1x -96 dBm
3x -100 dBm
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At work (big steel building) I get;
1x: -88dBm
4x: -94dBm
Will update this post with home stats compared to my gf's LG Revolution 4G tomorrow.
On a side note, I do not get 4G service (and only 1-2 bars) at my parent's house that's kind of in the boonies outside of Minneapolis, but her LG gets 3 bars and 4G consistantly.

RazrM vs D2G dBm
As requested I pulled up the signal strength on both phones and found...
RazrM 77-93 dBm
D2G 76-86 dBm
this is only at one location. I found the Razr was much faster in adjusting than the D2G and the Razr was always equal or higher.

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All I have is my wife's iPhone to compare with. 3G dbm's were comparable on both (upper 60s to low 70s). LTE dbm's were on average 10 or so higher than 3G, for whatever that may or may not be worth.
We live within 100 yards of a Verizon tower. I could see how someone in a fringe area, or even farther from a tower, might have an issue with it switching back to 3G too often, especially if you're carrying it without a case. I wish I had a Maxx to test this with, as well, but it appears the M has similar attenuation "issues" to the iPhone. Again, the good part is it's not dropping data altogether, so a software tweak could possibly (?) tell it not to switch back as "easily". You'll probably have to expand these to see the numbers. Sorry about that, each video was taken with the other phone. (Sidenote: the iPhone does a much better job at capturing the true light/colors in the room! )
M:
iPhone:

jntdroid said:
All I have is my wife's iPhone to compare with. 3G dbm's were comparable on both (upper 60s to low 70s). LTE dbm's were on average 10 or so higher than 3G, for whatever that may or may not be worth.
We live within 100 yards of a Verizon tower. I could see how someone in a fringe area, or even farther from a tower, might have an issue with it switching back to 3G too often, especially if you're carrying it without a case. I wish I had a Maxx to test this with, as well, but it appears the M has similar attenuation "issues" to the iPhone. Again, the good part is it's not dropping data altogether, so a software tweak could possibly (?) tell it not to switch back as "easily". You'll probably have to expand these to see the numbers. Sorry about that, each video was taken with the other phone. (Sidenote: the iPhone does a much better job at capturing the true light/colors in the room! )
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Seems like at this point a fair number of people have reported 1x and ev–do signals have strengths comparable to other phones. Thanks.
Please keep the data coming, especially if you can compare the M's 4g signal to another phone's 4g.
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I'm not very impressed by the Ms signal. I haven't directly compared the signal to my old R2D2 Droid2 since I've activated the M. But my D2 use to get full bars @ work compared to my M, which is seeing 2 bars at best (101 dBm). As for 4G coverage; I've yet to see it even though I live in a 4G area according to Verizon's 4G coverage map. I also work in a 4G area, but haven't seen it. I'm wondering if something is wrong. I did briefly saw 4G in Philadelphia, but I was only there for a motorcycle test ride, so I wasn't looking at my phone expect for a brief phone call to my wife.
I'll compare the signal strength tonight to my wife's iPhone 4.

merlot2k1 said:
I'm not very impressed by the Ms signal. I haven't directly compared the signal to my old R2D2 Droid2 since I've activated the M. But my D2 use to get full bars @ work compared to my M, which is seeing 2 bars at best (101 dBm). As for 4G coverage; I've yet to see it even though I live in a 4G area according to Verizon's 4G coverage map. I also work in a 4G area, but haven't seen it. I'm wondering if something is wrong. I did briefly saw 4G in Philadelphia, but I was only there for a motorcycle test ride, so I wasn't looking at my phone expect for a brief phone call to my wife.
I'll compare the signal strength tonight to my wife's iPhone 4.
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Thanks.
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I went to a Verizon store today to compare signals myself. The razr M was right next to the og droid razr. 1x and 3g signals were nearly identical. The M's seemed to bounce around between -60 and -70 whereas the og razr's was more consistent at about -65 dBm, but overall both seemed to average mid-60s. This is consistent with many of the posts on forums I have seen suggesting the M gets a solid 3g signal.
4g was unfortunately a different story. The M couldn't pick up a 4g signal at all. I even tried to force lte only, and rather than picking up a 4g signal, it had no signal of any kind.
The og razr, in stark contrast, had a solid and consistent 4g signal of about -75 dBm.
This comparison also seems consistent with reports that the M gets a weak or even no 4g signal at all where other Verizon devices get 4g.
Honestly I was a bit surprised and disappointed that the M was getting nothing where the og razr was getting strong 4g. Maybe it was attributable to a bad SIM or something, but that was my unfortunate experience.
Would still appreciate if people could post comparisons, especially if 4g lte signal strength.
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Seems like a update would fix issues bit we probably won't see one until jellybean I'm my opinion.
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Sitting in my living room.
Razr M
1x -89dBm
4x -102dBm
DInc2
-84dBm
iPhone 4
-69dBm

jntdroid said:
All I have is my wife's iPhone to compare with. 3G dbm's were comparable on both (upper 60s to low 70s). LTE dbm's were on average 10 or so higher than 3G, for whatever that may or may not be worth.
We live within 100 yards of a Verizon tower. I could see how someone in a fringe area, or even farther from a tower, might have an issue with it switching back to 3G too often, especially if you're carrying it without a case. I wish I had a Maxx to test this with, as well, but it appears the M has similar attenuation "issues" to the iPhone. Again, the good part is it's not dropping data altogether, so a software tweak could possibly (?) tell it not to switch back as "easily". You'll probably have to expand these to see the numbers. Sorry about that, each video was taken with the other phone. (Sidenote: the iPhone does a much better job at capturing the true light/colors in the room! )
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Mine is dropping data altogether! It can take one or more minutes to get data back and it is very frustrating. I would rather it was only 3g, it would be better than nothing.
I wonder if this could have an anything to do with some sort of Smart Action bug ...

emkman said:
Mine is dropping data altogether! It can take one or more minutes to get data back and it is very frustrating. I would rather it was only 3g, it would be better than nothing.
I wonder if this could have an anything to do with some sort of Smart Action bug ...
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If you are in a weak signal area where it drops 4g a lot you can force it into 3g. Do a search or check out the app LTE OnOff.
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phositadc said:
If you are in a weak signal area where it drops 4g a lot you can force it into 3g. Do a search or check out the app LTE OnOff.
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So you decided to get it anyway? What's been your experience so far?

jntdroid said:
So you decided to get it anyway? What's been your experience so far?
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I posted a long first impressions thread that you can check out for more details, but I like it. Still trying some stuff to make sure I want to keep it, but except for the alleged 4g signal issues, which don't really seem to be affecting me, I think it's a great device.
I love the size and the notification led the most, and I'm just not sure when-if ever-we will see that combination in a high end device again. So as of now I'm definitely leaning towards keeping it.
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