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Read this before complaining about 5MP

Alright so, here's the deal. Being a photographer, and hearing a lot of you complain about 5mp vs 8mp, you don't know what the hell your talking about.
There is a difference between Image Quality, and resolution. For those of you complaining, do you even know the difference? If you don't then listen up.
Image Quality is self explained. It means just that, the quality of the image. Sensor size has NOTHING to do with quality. Lenses have a lot to do with quality. Also, matching lens size with sensor size will give you better quality. Quality Sensors are everything when it comes to Image Quality.... Imagine that.
But just because you stick a 8mp Sensor in your cell phone with a tiny ass lens, doesn't mean my 5mp DSLR wont stomp your phone in Image quality.
So exactly what does MegaPixels do for you? I'll tell you. It's about print size. That's IT!! At 300ppi, and using a 5MP sensor, you can print up a nice 6"x9" photo of your little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. Or with your fancy 8mp Cell Phone you can print up a HUGE 8"x11" photo of the same little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. (not a big difference is there?)
So unless your wanting to print up pictures in 8x11, rather than 6x9, don't worry about it. Here, incase you wanna see it for yourself. http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
If you wanna post your kids sucking on icecream at the zoo to facebook, either camera will work fine, but I betcha the 5mp camera on the Gnex will have better image quality.

Tornlogic said:
Alright so, here's the deal. Being a photographer, and hearing a lot of you complain about 5mp vs 8mp, you don't know what the hell your talking about.
There is a difference between Image Quality, and resolution. For those of you complaining, do you even know the difference? If you don't then listen up.
Image Quality is self explained. It means just that, the quality of the image. Sensor size has NOTHING to do with quality. Lenses have a lot to do with quality. Also, matching lens size with sensor size will give you better quality. Quality Sensors are everything when it comes to Image Quality.... Imagine that.
But just because you stick a 8mp Sensor in your cell phone with a tiny ass lens, doesn't mean my 5mp DSLR wont stomp your phone in Image quality.
So exactly what does MegaPixels do for you? I'll tell you. It's about print size. That's IT!! At 300ppi, and using a 5MP sensor, you can print up a nice 6"x9" photo of your little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. Or with your fancy 8mp Cell Phone you can print up a HUGE 8"x11" photo of the same little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. (not a big difference is there?)
So unless your wanting to print up pictures in 8x11, rather than 6x9, don't worry about it. Here, incase you wanna see it for yourself. http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
If you wanna post your kids sucking on icecream at the zoo to facebook, either camera will work fine, but I betcha the 5mp camera on the Gnex will have better image quality.
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Thumbs up for you, buddy. You see, everyone wants to get photobombed every time they take a photo with their kids at the zoo sucking on ice cream. Seems legit.

Yes, 5mp vs 8mp argument is for idiots. Its all about the sensor and lens quality. Moreover, same size 5mp sensor and 8 mp sensor with same lens, 5mp images will be better and higher quality.

Yup, now lets hope that the sensor is good in Nexus.

More flexibility when cropping is another benefit of higher resolution.

We need an objective thorough review of the phone's camera before making any conclusions much like the op said. Megapixels doesn't mean quality.
Let's wait until the formal release before casting judgement.
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Dragooon123 said:
Yup, now lets hope that the sensor is good in Nexus.
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Yup! Exactly.
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Tornlogic said:
Sensor size has NOTHING to do with quality
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Being an amateur photographer myself I completely agree that the pixel count is completely, COMPLETELY irrelevant when it comes down to phone cameras. Where I disagree with your original post is the sentence above. Sensor size has absolutely everything to do with image quality (ie. Full Frame > DX > Micro 4/3rds > Compact > Phone). Fact is you are not going to get a large sensor built into a camera and cramming that sensor with as many light grabbing sensors as possible often leads to noisier, grainier images. This is where sometimes smaller = better.

Please sticky this. I'm tired of hearing people complain about this
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ptscon said:
More flexibility when cropping is another benefit of higher resolution.
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Sorry, didn't mention that, but yes, totally.
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Sensor size is a misnomer in this case, I believe the sensor is the same 1/32inch size. In which case, each of those pixels is actually larger. Which means that each individual pixel receives MORE light. Which enhances low-light performance. This same phenomenon is seen when you compare Canon's 5D and 7D cameras. The 7D is 18mp, while the 5D is 21mp, but the 5D's sensor is 1.6 times larger (full 35 vs APS-C) This means that the 5D ends up with superior low light performance, despite not having the full 1.6 times greater pixel count that one might expect.
Admittedly, there are other differences that effect this, such as sensor back-lighting, the quality of the amplifiers, and the compression of the image data. As well, the technology powering the actual sensor, CCD or CMOS, as well as the more in depth tech that goes on at the design level. The 18mp, APS-C sensor from Sony that Nikon uses on it's cameras does not perform the same as the 18mp, APS-C sensor that Canon uses in it's 7D.
...So there it is, if you don't know sensor tech, here is a little explanation from someone who does...

another point is the 5mp = smaller file size = less write time = less lag time = zero shutter speed.

The best daylight photos I have ever had is from my SE k750i. Well old and only 2.5 Mps as I recall

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another point is the 5mp = smaller file size = less write time = less lag time = zero shutter speed.
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I also approve of this post.

In my oppinion, people think smartphones (high-end) should have 8mp at least, because in earlier times, the megapixels were a "real" indicator of the fact, how new and good a mobile phone is, i think.
and of course brands like SE or LG made a real big deal about mp. and its clear, consumers said then: "wow, this new mobile has 8 mp, so its better than the one with 5mp."
but i think today, you cant tell how good a phone is by just looking at the mp. and i also suppose that development in cameras today is more about image quality and no more about mp.
the only issue is that people dont realize that, unfortunately...

Actually Canon also went the other way with some better cameras. They reduced MP size and increased sensor size to improve image quality.....outcome was the best compact Canon camera....

Flippy125 said:
Please sticky this. I'm tired of hearing people complain about this
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We DO have the right to complaint, ain't ??
And in my personal case, here's why:
- I use 8 Mpix in wider mode (which in the end equals aprox 6 MPix)
- Instead of using the digital zoom, I frequently prefer to crop my 8 MPix pics
So this phone is not for me, which is a tad sad because I really wanted to have a taste of pure ice cream sandwich experience
PS: I love your sig, Dawkins rulez
"Science is the Poetry of Reality"

gtrab said:
We DO have the right to complaint, ain't ??
And in my personal case, here's why:
- I use 8 Mpix in wider mode (which in the end equals aprox 6 MPix)
- Instead of using the digital zoom, I frequently prefer to crop my 8 MPix pics
So this phone is not for me, which is a tad sad because I really wanted to have a taste of pure ice cream sandwich experience
PS: I love your sig, Dawkins rulez
"Science is the Poetry of Reality"
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I just found with my Sensation that there isn't much of a difference. The pictures seemed like they were just blown up copies from my G2 with no quality enhancements. Then again, this is HTC. Their speakers and cameras aren't very good.
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the megapixels argument is just a who's got the bigger d*** game.
It means nothing in the long run and in fact, more pixels packed into the same sensor makes the image WORSE!!! and creates more noise.

gtrab said:
We DO have the right to complaint, ain't ??
And in my personal case, here's why:
- I use 8 Mpix in wider mode (which in the end equals aprox 6 MPix)
- Instead of using the digital zoom, I frequently prefer to crop my 8 MPix pics
So this phone is not for me, which is a tad sad because I really wanted to have a taste of pure ice cream sandwich experience
PS: I love your sig, Dawkins rulez
"Science is the Poetry of Reality"
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Just my opinion, but if you have time to crop images "and do it right" why not sharpen it, and photoshop it and enhance it too? That way you won't need an 8mp sensor. Heck, if you have all that time, just use a real camera.
The whole point of these cell phone cameras is it take a quick pic and share to Grandma and what not. I don't think shes gonna care if its cropped or not. If you need professional pictures I don't recommend a cell phone to take them
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A word about some of the complaints that people on the forums seem to be making

List of complaints that need to be addressed because people keep making threads on them:
1. The Camera is 5 MP.
Okay, anybody who things that megapixels = quality probably knows very little about photography. More megapixels in many cases introduces more noise, especially considering how small the camera is.
If you want to print photos at a letter sized at 300 ppi, invest in a REAL camera. A low end DSLR will blow any phone out of the water; the image sensor is several times as large.
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/more/cameras/megapixel_converter.html
Until we see this phone next to a Galaxy S2 and an iPhone 4S taking pictures in a controlled environment, we can't say that this camera sucks.
2. The pentile display
It is currently not possible to make a 1280x720 or 1280x800 RBG display at the size we want and if they made it bigger, it would be very expensive.
http://pentileblog.com/uncategorized/pentile-for-720-hd-oled-smartphones/
The Galaxy Note has reached a point where some people say that they cannot see the subpixels, so this phone should not be a problem.
The only real valid criticism that the screen has a "blue" tint. For those that are unfamiliar with OLED technology, blue subpixels have the shortest lifespan. This was a deliberate decision by Samsung to maximize screen life.
Overall, side by side comparisons indicate that this is a step forward from the GS2.
3. The SOC/GPU
I am also disappointed in the PowerVR SGX540, but given the circumstances, it is the best SOC they could have chosen. The only alternative would have been the Exynos 4210 (the 4212 uses a new 32nm process not available and is only "sampling" right now) or the Qualcomm Scorpion, with its Adreno 220, which is inferior in terms of both CPU and GPU.
Of particular concern is the new generation of more demanding games and the fact that this GPU needs to drive a 1280x720 screen.
We need to see some real benchmarks as ICS may have had some under the hood optimizations and how it stacks up to the Tegra 3, which will come out in a couple of months. The Tegra 2's GPU was by no means better than the lower clocked (btw, did I mention that this GPU is higher clocked than the one on the GS1?), SGX540 on the first generation of Galaxy S phones.
The OMAP SOC on board is native 1.5 GHz, so I'm sure that you will be able to overclock it back to native clockspeed. I fully anticipate 2 GHz+ mods to come out afterwards.
4. It's too big
Your opinion. I like big phones.
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
6. No SD Card
This is one I am also disappointed at. It's a trend in the Nexus phones right now. Google seems to be encouraging cloud usage. I dislike this one as well, because data is expensive and ICS specifically has data management tools reflecting this.
Somewhat mitigating this is that there are 32 GB versions available and that internal storage is faster than a class 10 SD card.
7. DAC and sound quality?
Unknown and I eagerly await the answer.
Will I buy this phone?
Actually, I am undecided. I want to see reviews first and hold it. I am also eagerly waiting to see what the DAC is. Come H2 2012, A15 parts and perhaps an RGB version of the 720p display are probable. I will however buy it if I can get a sweet deal.

Couldn't agree more on peeps complaining about the 5mp camera!! I have a 3.2mp Sony digital camera that is probably 10 years old. It isn't even a DSLR. But it takes far superior pictures than my 8mp camera on my Charge. Why? In a word, optics !! My old camera has a Zeiss lens on it. It is folly IMO to expect high quality pictures from a phone camera !! If you want to be a photographer, buy a camera !!

All valid points, was a good write up. I especially agree with the point about waiting to see it in the flesh.

I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp

The issue I take up with the size is that it feels like there's a lot of blank and empty black space in not only the bezel (especially the bottom) but also with ICS. In general, the size and look of the device is both a love and hate. Sometimes I think it's gorgeous, and other times I think it's hideous. I think this is one of those "time will tell" things.

Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.

JCopernicus said:
Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.
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Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".

bmstrong said:
Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".
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Then why did you bother posting in the first place?

Enough.
The very purpose of this thread was to minimize this kind of trolling.

For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm

justabrake said:
I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp
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Stand closer?
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Bawb3 said:
Stand closer?
Use a program? I posted one earlier.
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Nebucatnetzer said:
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i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore

justabrake said:
i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore
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Not camera apps. A program to enlarge a picture there are some for professional use. You know there's still something called a PC .
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ruthlesset said:
For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm
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Stuff fits easily in empty pants, amazing.
-_-

I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Most of these "it won't fit my pocket" arguments are troll posts from people who have no intention of buying the phone.
I have played for a bit with the Galaxy Note. It was big, but it did fit in my jeans with my keys inside.

sauron0101 said:
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
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I'll be happy with the durability if its as good as the Galaxy S II. With curved design of the Nexus, it'll less likely to get screen damaged on drops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Any difference in the feel between the two SGS2 -Nexus

So I've had a dozen different android phones but none without an SD card. How does this work? Does it have a partition to mimic the sd card? Im going to get this phone regardless, but want to know if I can transfer all my files over from the sd card on my current phone.
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The camera software sucks

tl;dr - see subject
i have to vent here for a few minutes.
i'm sorry but the camera on this phone - or at the very least the software that controls it - sucks beyond anything i've ever used before. my main issue stems from the brainless way it handles orientation when attaching to things like email, tweets, mms, etc. WHY.THE. can't the software figure out how i took the shot? if i don't post the shot in the exact way that samsung wants me to, my shots come out upside down or rotated the wrong way.
maybe it's me. maybe i'm too big of an idiot to use a camera. oh wait, no. i'm a professional photographer. i know what you're going to say but i like having a phone with a good point and shoot so i don't have to lug around another piece of equipment.
full disclosure, i'm a fruit phone convert and i've only been on android for a month but in that time i've figured out how to put a kickass ROM on the phone (juggernaugh FTW) and a host of other things so i think i'm pretty keen on what the phone can/cannot do.
i feel like a total idiot when i tell people how much radder android is than iphone but i can't seem to send them an appropriately orientated photo.
thoughts?
thanks for letting me rant.

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yea tl;dr lol just skimmed
but i do agree that the camera sucks. doesn't auto focus on specific double tap areas in low.light conditions.
i.e. room light is on low and i double tap to focus on the TV. TV still blurry and bright.
my Vibrant isolates the TV when i do the same thing. can see what's on my TV clearly instead of blurred and bright.

Its not bad but its no amaze or mt4gs.. that's how I see it
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mbernusg said:
Its not bad but its no amaze or mt4gs.. that's how I see it
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My brother has the amaze and my sister has the mt4gs and we all agree my camera takes the best pics. ....I don't know what you guys are talking about
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I have to agree with the OP, my Sensation had a way better camera. I still like my GS2 better, but the camera is weak sauce!
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Mine take great pics, then again im not a queen expecting my smartphone to replace a device of equal cost that is specialized in just taking pics..

kennyp987 said:
My brother has the amaze and my sister has the mt4gs and we all agree my camera takes the best pics. ....I don't know what you guys are talking about
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my overall complaint isn't i guess with the optics but with the software. especially for sharing or moving to a computer. i don't think that i should have to worry about orientation when i post to twitter or an email.

Rekzer said:
Mine take great pics, then again im not a queen expecting my smartphone to replace a device of equal cost that is specialized in just taking pics..
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am i a queen? hmm. i just checked. i'm not.
i didn't say anything about replacing any of my high-end gear. all i want is the orientation to work as any camera would...phone or dedicated.

umm something wrong wit your device or something mines take some sick pictures

immunityx said:
umm something wrong wit your device or something mines take some sick pictures
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try taking a vertical picture, post it to twitter, fb, whatever, and see what happens. again my complaint isn't the optics - it's the software.

Ill second the whole orientation thing. I took a picture with the phone upside down, and it made the photo upside down... we have an accelerometer and gyroscope in this thing for a reason!! Its been getting on my nerves.
Other than that the camera is pretty bad ass, ive got no other qualms with the camera.

Rekzer said:
Mine take great pics, then again im not a queen expecting my smartphone to replace a device of equal cost that is specialized in just taking pics..
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I second this. You sound really full of yourself and think because you are a "pro" photographer you can bash a camera. The orientation issue, I don't have it. My pics post just fine. And quality is good for a phone.

The sensation camera sucks and the audiobl recording has been horrible since the 2.3.4 update.
Try one of the many camera replacement apps like Pudding Camera or Camera360
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Yeah sensation has a different camera than mt4gs and amaze, they have the same camera.. our camera is great don't get me wrong but amaze is far superior. Smart shot and hdr alone are in a different class.
Truth is when talking about a phone camera ours is spectacular, but the amaze camera can compete with point and shoots and even some cheap dslrs
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The Amaze camera is not that good. It can complete with some point and shoot cameras in a few scenarios, but it's got poor color reproduction among other issues. All of that HDR **** is just software processing. The Nokia N8 or whichever Nokia has that 12MP lense is where it's at.

unlvmike said:
I second this. You sound really full of yourself and think because you are a "pro" photographer you can bash a camera. The orientation issue, I don't have it. My pics post just fine. And quality is good for a phone.
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That made no sense..lmao

unlvmike said:
I second this. You sound really full of yourself and think because you are a "pro" photographer you can bash a camera. The orientation issue, I don't have it. My pics post just fine. And quality is good for a phone.
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i wonder how all that money goes into my bank account to feed/clothe/shelter my family? hmmm.
feeding the troll aside, i've downloaded a few different camera apps and haven't had the same issues. i'll explore that avenue a bit more. if anyone has any suggestions for camera applications they like feel free to let me know.
unlvmike, next time i'm in vegas shooting for sports illustrated i'll let you know. then i do so *hope* you decide to take those quotes off pro.

I agree OP.
The camera on my Sensation blew this one out of the water. This camera takes pictures that look worse than those taken with a $1 disposable camera.
I mean, look...

Lol ****ty pic.....
But to be fair I think in order for our cameras to reach full potential you have to tweak the dozens of setting put in place by Samsung. I think that's where 3rs party camera apps come in...
So I suggest we turn this thread into a how to/which apps improve pictures on the sgs2.
I myself haven't found a great daily stock replacement camera on the market that works well with a balance of features/picture quality. I tried pudding but the quality suffers a little.. 360 is not for me too much like a toy cam. Vignette is nice I've yet to try it on our phone.
I also have been using the "fall" scene mode on our phone and colors come out 10x more vibrant and saturated
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I agree OP.
The camera on my Sensation blew this one out of the water. This camera takes pictures that look worse than those taken with a $1 disposable camera.
I mean, look...
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sn0warmy said:
I agree OP.
The camera on my Sensation blew this one out of the water. This camera takes pictures that look worse than those taken with a $1 disposable camera.
I mean, look...
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Cool fireplace.
I agree app suggestions would be great.
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Set of Pictures Taken by HTC One X

I guess some people just like me eager to see how the picture quality taken by HTC One X is. Here, I accidental found a set of photos said are taken by HTC One X. They look amazing to me
http://www.nitrolicious.com/blog/2012/03/31/miami-htc-one-trip-day-2-yardbird-yacht-soho-beach-house/
Edit: Video samples (I don't know whether they are real or fake since I don understand the language, but FYI): http://www.smartdroid.de/htc-one-x-zahlreiche-beispielvideos-der-8-megapixel-kamera/

dnnddane said:
I guess some people just like me eager to see how the picture quality taken by HTC One X is. Here, I accidental found a set of photos said are taken by HTC One X. They look amazing to me
http://www.nitrolicious.com/blog/2012/03/31/miami-htc-one-trip-day-2-yardbird-yacht-soho-beach-house/
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waw where did you find this lol
sorry i ran out of thanks for today
i've been saying this all along don't open your One X and take a photo from some random object in your bedroom at dull lighting lol
go out and have fun and test it in the real world

They're tiny and pretty much worthless. Any camera's pics can look decent when resized so small.

Spybreak said:
They're tiny and pretty much worthless. Any camera's pics can look decent when resized so small.
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yes and no, the only thing you can't judge from these is the noise levels and sharpness algorithm which we can disable anyway
you can still see the dynamic range, color and most importantly low light with these images
very good contrast in these photos with no levels crushed, if these are truly One X, i can tell you they show the f2.0 doing its job well
the food on page 4 is showing some flash burning which was supposed to be solved with distance measure
and of course a dude with a stable hand
I seriously have zero doubts about this camera, seems good stuff indeed, the sensor is most likely sourced from Sony

dnnddane said:
I guess some people just like me eager to see how the picture quality taken by HTC One X is. Here, I accidental found a set of photos said are taken by HTC One X. They look amazing to me
http://www.nitrolicious.com/blog/2012/03/31/miami-htc-one-trip-day-2-yardbird-yacht-soho-beach-house/
Edit: Video samples (I don't know whether they are real or fake since I don understand the language, but FYI): http://www.smartdroid.de/htc-one-x-zahlreiche-beispielvideos-der-8-megapixel-kamera/
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Many thanks for sharing. Really need to see full scale photos to see how much noise/detail are actually in those shots though. Let's hope for the best
Bugsy.

off topic but Yardbird is awesome.

pictures taken with HTC One X
I've also made some photos with the HTC One X:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertwebbe/sets/72157629314253540/

robertwebbe said:
I've also made some photos with the HTC One X:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertwebbe/sets/72157629314253540/
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good photos mate, thanks

[Q] Will M9 software update improve bad camera performance

Coming from M7 I know it's camera limitations and one thing I was expecting that shifting away from Ultra Pixel sensor would mean a much better performance. Unfortunately looking at the images from Barcelona I was scratching my head if what I saw was M9 images. The lower light photos in my opinion look quite bad. Lots of artifact, nasty noise, blotches of unprocessed information. So to say about normal daylight images though not as bad but still below average. So what's your take on this matter? Will the software update sort it out , is it worth waiting for couple of months? I don't think I am going to upgrade to M9 which I sincerely want to. Camera is deal breaker for me.

I honestly wouldn't base an opinion of this device with its current software situation, its gonna get hot, this is a pre release model. Also I bet its been on charge all day with the screen on, tester after tester messing with it. Not to mention the kernel and rom probably aren't optimized to deal with heavy load, I can see HTC making this a great device with further updates, I look forward to having it.

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Coming from M7 I know it's camera limitations and one thing I was expecting that shifting away from Ultra Pixel sensor would mean a much better performance. Unfortunately looking at the images from Barcelona I was scratching my head if what I saw was M9 images. The lower light photos in my opinion look quite bad. Lots of artifact, nasty noise, blotches of unprocessed information. So to say about normal daylight images though not as bad but still below average. So what's your take on this matter? Will the software update sort it out , is it worth waiting for couple of months? I don't think I am going to upgrade to M9 which I sincerely want to. Camera is deal breaker for me.
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You're not the only one making a question out of the camera performance of the M9. The big issues with the new sensor is the increased resolution of 20mp vs the 4mp on the HTC One M8, which (as you noticed) makes images in low-light conditions quite bad. This has nothing to do with HTC though, it's the same story for everyone who cramps in such a high resolution in a sensor that is way to small. A normal DSLR camera (Canon 600D, Nikon D7100 etc.) struggles with the same thing although they got a massively bigger sensor to cope with the resolution. Based on this, I guess they may be able to fix the daylight quality quite a bit along the way. The low-light however, not as convinced due to the issues I said above. They may very well be able to make it BETTER, but not as good as it was with the M8 in my mind. Just look at the Note 4 and Z3 (and Z4 I guess) with massive resolutions on their cameras aswell, the Note 4 (16mp) is brilliant in daylight although it's worse in low-light compared to the iPhone 6 (which got a 8mp sensor). It will get better along the way, but I don't think we will ever see the M9 do low-light shots without some of the issues you asked about, like artifacts, noise and details failing to stand out. Although I do hope I am wrong about it

I hope Jonny too but I can't entirely rely on hope here. Can you give me reasonable example of how HTC improved camera in the past? I am not here to bash the brand that I love but I want to be reasonable. I still have purple fringe on my M7 for that reason I sent it back just a couple of days ago.

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You're not the only one making a question out of the camera performance of the M9. The big issues with the new sensor is the increased resolution of 20mp vs the 4mp on the HTC One M8, which (as you noticed) makes images in low-light conditions quite bad. This has nothing to do with HTC though, it's the same story for everyone who cramps in such a high resolution in a sensor that is way to small. A normal DSLR camera (Canon 600D, Nikon D7100 etc.) struggles with the same thing although they got a massively bigger sensor to cope with the resolution. Based on this, I guess they may be able to fix the daylight quality quite a bit along the way. The low-light however, not as convinced due to the issues I said above. They may very well be able to make it BETTER, but not as good as it was with the M8 in my mind. Just look at the Note 4 and Z3 (and Z4 I guess) with massive resolutions on their cameras aswell, the Note 4 (16mp) is brilliant in daylight although it's worse in low-light compared to the iPhone 6 (which got a 8mp sensor). It will get better along the way, but I don't think we will ever see the M9 do low-light shots without some of the issues you asked about, like artifacts, noise and details failing to stand out. Although I do hope I am wrong about it
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As far as I know M9 has Toshiba sensor which being used for the Nokia High end Lumias which perform quite well. The other thing is I can set my camera permanently to 16 Mp or even less so to relief sensor from strain if that helps to get a better image. It's perfectly fine to have 8MP, personally speaking. For instance Iphone 6 Plus currently outperforms pretty much most of the phones in the market.

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As far as I know M9 has Toshiba sensor which being used for the Nokia High end Lumias which perform quite well. The other thing is I can set my camera permanently to 16 Mp or even less so to relief sensor from strain if that helps to get a better image. It's perfectly fine to have 8MP, personally speaking. For instance Iphone 6 Plus currently outperforms pretty much most of the phones in the market.
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Sure it is developed by Toshiba, i am not sure if its the same they use in the Lumia series though. The fact that "reducing" the camera down to 16mp or even less to make the images better is something I doubt highly especially with a mobile. I dont see how that would change the outcome when it's still a 20mp physically in there. Might be wrong here, but I don't see right away how that would make images in low-light any better. In my experience with the Z1 it didn't help much dumping the resolution from 20mp down to 8mp (which was the auto-mode setting). Another thing I see as a potential issue for HTC compared to Sony is the fact that Sony makes and develops their sensor themself, and that should make it easier for them to optimize it and make it better. HTC on the other hand does not make it's own sensor and has "learn" or whatever I should say the Toshiba sensor compared to Sony who made them by themself. That should, at least in my eyes, give Sony an advantage in the optimization part. Which they never figured out properly in the Z1 (and Z2 & Z3?) as far as I know.

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I am looking forward to the M9 as i currently own a M7. To the point, after M7 came out nokia came out with Lumia 925, which had 8MP sensor and took better low light photos than the UltraPixel, One would think that in the last 2 years Htc would have gotten better or improved the MP count of the UltraPixel sensor, but that didn't happen.
As far as the current 16MP sensor is concerned, i hope that reducing the resolution slightly say 8MP and increasing the exposure/shutter time would atleast be able to provide results similar to UltraPixle in a 8MP resolution.

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Sure it is developed by Toshiba, i am not sure if its the same they use in the Lumia series though. The fact that "reducing" the camera down to 16mp or even less to make the images better is something I doubt highly especially with a mobile. I dont see how that would change the outcome when it's still a 20mp physically in there. Might be wrong here, but I don't see right away how that would make images in low-light any better. In my experience with the Z1 it didn't help much dumping the resolution from 20mp down to 8mp (which was the auto-mode setting). Another thing I see as a potential issue for HTC compared to Sony is the fact that Sony makes and develops their sensor themself, and that should make it easier for them to optimize it and make it better. HTC on the other hand does not make it's own sensor and has "learn" or whatever I should say the Toshiba sensor compared to Sony who made them by themself. That should, at least in my eyes, give Sony an advantage in the optimization part. Which they never figured out properly in the Z1 (and Z2 & Z3?) as far as I know.
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I am looking at some oversampling info on wikipedia. Thats exactly what Nokia did with pure view ,for instance, combining pixels into cluster to make one better pixel with improved characteristics . Then technically speaking reducing mp size can enable sensor to perform better. Thanks for bringing it out about Sony. Your thoughts so much parallel of mine about they inability to nail their camera performance taking into account they sensor plus all experience. This could due to the reason they don't actually work close enough to Sony photographic department and more or less on they own. Not sharing the love between themselve From my observation it's a lot about soft optimization, as you mention in your post , and here I can not to finish my post without mentioning 1+1 camera transformation that occurred in period from release date up until now. Camera performance is very good.

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I am looking forward to the M9 as i currently own a M7. To the point, after M7 came out nokia came out with Lumia 925, which had 8MP sensor and took better low light photos than the UltraPixel, One would think that in the last 2 years Htc would have gotten better or improved the MP count of the UltraPixel sensor, but that didn't happen.
As far as the current 16MP sensor is concerned, i hope that reducing the resolution slightly say 8MP and increasing the exposure/shutter time would atleast be able to provide results similar to UltraPixle in a 8MP resolution.
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If they do something like Nokia did with oversampling pixel it might work ( just an idea) but taking into account they didn't succeed in ultra pixel technology , given two years, I can only hope. I don't really know much about new toshiba sensor and what is it capable of.

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Let me look in the future..
*starts rubbing my Crystal balls...*
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It's getting warmed....
Okay I am seeing something...
The answer for which you are looking for lies within you. You may not know it now but you will in the near future. The key is to follow your heart and don't make weird threads on xda.
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"Weird "is a strong word but taking into account the amount of humour you used in your reply I take it lightly with a smile on my face

nebulaoperator said:
I am looking at some oversampling info on wikipedia. Thats exactly what Nokia did with pure view ,for instance, combining pixels into cluster to make one better pixel with improved characteristics . Then technically speaking reducing mp size can enable sensor to perform better. Thanks for bringing it out about Sony. Your thoughts so much parallel of mine about they inability to nail their camera performance taking into account they sensor plus all experience. This could due to the reason they don't actually work close enough to Sony photographic department and more or less on they own. Not sharing the love between themselve From my observation it's a lot about soft optimization, as you mention in your post , and here I can not to finish my post without mentioning 1+1 camera transformation that occurred in period from release date up until now. Camera performance is very good.
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Alrighty then. Thats an awesome feature! Really hope that HTC can make the same magic as Nokia did with their Lumia series based on what you found out on Wikipedia etc. I will be more than pleased if the camera on the M9 outperforms the camera placed in the Z4, that should tell everybody that HTC did an amazing job optimizing it when they beat Sony and their own sensor

I've looked at some comparison photo's from gsmarena and personally I don't think it's much worse than the iPhone 6 shots they posted.

Think the day light pictures will probably be great, but the low light ones may be not so much. Without being any company's fanboy there is a great chance that the M9 camera won't be the best.

I have no idea what HTC did but images are getting very good ...at least in this series : http://www.sogi.com.tw/mobile/articles/6239319-HTC+One+M9、M8兩代旗艦機相機實拍對決！