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[REQ] Work Around for BBCi Player - Wifi Only Issue

Does anyone know if the is a possability of a work around so we can view BBCi Player without having Wifi Connection.
The HTC Streaming Player is happy to play video with the 3G connection but without having the Wifi Connected you cannot press play from the BBCi Player Page.
It would be great if there was a way round this. Any Ideas?

I seem to remember connecting with wifi initially then and being able to access over 3g once in the session - but need to corroborate this later.

Mark One said:
I seem to remember connecting with wifi initially then and being able to access over 3g once in the session - but need to corroborate this later.
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Yeah I have done this but what if you are somewere where youcan't get wifi. You can't get past the BBCi player web page.

Does that qualify as a download on uk phone tarrifs?

Kizmet said:
Does that qualify as a download on uk phone tarrifs?
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Don't really know what you mean but its just streaming! you'd only want to do this is you had an unlimited data bolt on!

I really hope someone figures this out, it's doing my nut in on the train If i'm near a wifi connection i can most likely watch it on a larger PC!
Regardless, i'd Love to be able to watch iPlayer over the 3G network!

Me also, like you say if I have wifi I have a laptop.

Isn't there any developers out there interesting in this problem?

used to be able to use iplayer over hsdpa using the samsung user agent spoof but then one day i loaded up the site and it wouldn't work. said needed to connect to wifi. really annoying. it must be something bbc have changed at their end.

Yeah its wierd, I hope someone can figure out how to get round it. Although I am not as bothered as I was as I have just invested in a slingbox pro which is awsome.

Slightly off topic, but richardiv, can I ask you what upload speed you get with your broadband?
It's just that I'm looking at getting a slingbox, but am a little concerned that my broadband doesn't achieve a high enough upload speed for it to function properly - but a slingbox and the Touch HD seem a match made in heaven ........ on paper!!!
Thanks

Boris71 said:
Slightly off topic, but richardiv, can I ask you what upload speed you get with your broadband?
It's just that I'm looking at getting a slingbox, but am a little concerned that my broadband doesn't achieve a high enough upload speed for it to function properly - but a slingbox and the Touch HD seem a match made in heaven ........ on paper!!!
Thanks
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I am o2 broadband and get about 12meg downstream, I am not at home right now so I can't tell you exactly but I reckon its around 1-2meg upstream. Thats a pure guess though. I will look later and let you know exactly
Slingbox works great on the HD, although the max res is 320x240 on the slingplayer so it doesn't give a total full screen, you get black space on the left and right when in fullscreen mode, still not enough to put me off though.
Rich

Excellent, thanks very much for your quick reply.

Boris71 said:
Excellent, thanks very much for your quick reply.
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Just looked
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1,213 / 12,980

Mmmmm - your upload speed is about 5 times that of mine!!! Pretty certain the picture quality I'd receive would be vastly inferior to yours.
Thanks for the info.

Boris71 said:
Mmmmm - your upload speed is about 5 times that of mine!!! Pretty certain the picture quality I'd receive would be vastly inferior to yours.
Thanks for the info.
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5x wow, you must be miles away from the exchange. Have you looked at the min specs for it? it says "256 Kbps Upstream Network Speed Recommended (higher upstream network speeds yield higher quality video)"

I'm not sure of my distance from the exchange - need to look into it as I didn't realise how particularly poor the results were, until I saw yours!!!

Boris71 said:
I'm not sure of my distance from the exchange - need to look into it as I didn't realise how particularly poor the results were, until I saw yours!!!
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I am pretty close to my exchange but its the ADSL2+ that makes the big difference. It doubles the speed of what you can get on ADSL2. only o2 use it at the moment and possibly SKY but definatly not BT and the rest.

Ah, good to know - especially as I've just gone to O2 with my 'phone - so it could be worth looking at a new ISP in the very near future. Thanks for your help.

Boris71 said:
Ah, good to know - especially as I've just gone to O2 with my 'phone - so it could be worth looking at a new ISP in the very near future. Thanks for your help.
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No Problem its also cheaper if you have an o2 contract, I pay £9.76 I think.

Touch Pro 2 radio

Hi guys
Followed the slightly concerning threads re the radio disappearing from the specs.
It is now back on the specs at Clove and never disappeared from the Expansys ones.
I called HTC UK support yesterday. They said to me that it was all still subject to change (as it would be officially until the shops get it) but their internal current spec still said it had an FM Radio.
Paul.

If that's what the current internal spec is then I'm pretty dang sure it will have it. That means that it's been designed to have it and removing it would just be removing the chip from the board. The chip is probably pretty dang cheap as it is. Then it would just be wasted space.

Specs don't just disappear from web pages for no reason. The main HTC site still shows the FM radio as not being included, when it used to be there. I'm hoping it will continue to be there, but somebody took it down for a reason, even if it wasn't taken down from all sites.

at this point, if they say it still has it, it likely still does. They have to be manufacturing them in mass by now with it being as close to the release as it is (least outside of the US). T-Mobile/AT&T may have the radio removed tho, it wouldn't surprise me for them to remove features (ie cmos camera). But who knows. Either way, i couldn't care less. I don't listen to the radio as it is. Not to say that others wouldn't want to, but technically, this is a business phone so a radio would seem a bit out of its way.
Personally, i would say, if they included a radio, they should also include a 3.5mm jack to Listen to it on.

That's pretty much my point. At this time, they most decidedly are not saying that it has it, when in February they specifically said on the same page that it was included. I hope it was right then and wrong now, but I have my doubts.

Business or phone phone
I do wish people would stop pandering to this rubbish.
No one buys a highend PDA phone (privately) to use it just as a business / organiser device or just as a fun / media device.
It is fair to say that some people won't mind if a radio or tv-out or gfx acceleration or decent camera or 3.5" jack is missing .... but that isn't a justification for HTC or anyone else not to put these things in on expensive new devices.
Most people I know that have a highend device like the HD or TP2 will probably want at some point to dump some movies to it and play it on an hotel TV when they are away with work because they don't have their Archos or ipod with them. This means that TV-Out and support of embedded gfx hardware should be a given.
Most people would prefer a proper wired headphone jack for wired listening of any description.
Many people find themselves on the train, at an airport or in a break and at some point may like to listen to the news. If you live in the UK or a country where most providers insist on realmedia for streaming, Resco News etc is no good ... you need a decent radio. PDA and phone manufacturers have demonstrated that hardware for this sort of thing is typically on chipset anyway and just needs enabling and exploiting in firmware.
HTC very irritatingly artificially leave these things out which makes the device in complete ... for no good reason other than to force people to either get two devices or feel frustrated from time to time (even if rarely) when they want to use things like the above.
The camera situation is the same. 30fps vga video is common place on SE and Nokia ... Apple and HTC should not be forgiven for not including it (yes ... I know the TD2 and TP2 now have it ... at last) ... also ... yes ... you'd expect if you were planning to take holiday snaps you'd take your Pentax or Canon SLR with you .. but often you want to take adhoc pictures .... why shouldn't they be of decent quality ... the technology is there and in mass production SE and Nokia have shown that it shouldn't raise the cost of the devices.
We shouldn't be so accepting about things like this ... it allows HTC to treat us with some contempt and encourages them to continue to do so.
All these devices they are bringing out ... long after the Snapdragon ... but still no sign of official support ... again ... getting people to buy last generation technology today. Are we forced to ... no ... but given their position in the market ... they still have no viable competition on the WM front ... they are exploiting that.
Sorry for the rant ....

Hope this helps...

Some food for though...
If HTC remove the FM radio, at this late stage (after some devices with it have been released) will they keep the chipset's the same?
If so I'm sure some of the guys on here could get the Drivers for it working again...
If such a project is needed, count me in, I'm missing FM radio from my Kaiser
Dave

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pgamble said:
HTC very irritatingly artificially leave these things out which makes the device in complete ... for no good reason other than to force people to either get two devices or feel frustrated from time to time (even if rarely) when they want to use things like the above.
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Yes, I'm sure that this is precisely the reason HTC does these things. Market analysis, purchase trends, customer preferences research - all of these things are meaningless next to the opportunity to make their customers irritated and frustrated.
pgamble said:
The camera situation is the same. 30fps vga video is common place on SE and Nokia ... Apple and HTC should not be forgiven for not including it (yes ... I know the TD2 and TP2 now have it ... at last) ... also ... yes ... you'd expect if you were planning to take holiday snaps you'd take your Pentax or Canon SLR with you .. but often you want to take adhoc pictures .... why shouldn't they be of decent quality ... the technology is there and in mass production SE and Nokia have shown that it shouldn't raise the cost of the devices.
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Define decent quality. I'm not sure what your gripe is here. Lack of a flash? OK, I can see that. But if you are complaining that you're not getting 30 FPS for your ad hoc videos, then HTC is just not the camera for you. Your priorities dictate the purchase of a different device. That's no reason to suggest that HTC is being intentionally annoying. They are making the decisions that will earn the highest sales for any given device in the markets for which they have seen they can effectively compete.

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Define decent quality. I'm not sure what your gripe is here. Lack of a flash? OK, I can see that. But if you are complaining that you're not getting 30 FPS for your ad hoc videos, then HTC is just not the camera for you. Your priorities dictate the purchase of a different device. That's no reason to suggest that HTC is being intentionally annoying. They are making the decisions that will earn the highest sales for any given device in the markets for which they have seen they can effectively compete.
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I read HTC somewhere (I forget where) that it will be removed because of battery life performance issues. HTC are still trying to make this a business phone (hence the conference calling and Straight Talk) so it makes sense that a business phone would benefit more from battery life than an FM radio.
Just my 2'cs
Dave

I have to ask this again. Why would a radio chip and software waste battery when it's not on? It just doesn't make sense. Please enlighten me!

any news?
it's weird to see the Radio feature still on the official italian specification web page ...but it's not anymore on the english page

cocoaju said:
I have to ask this again. Why would a radio chip and software waste battery when it's not on? It just doesn't make sense. Please enlighten me!
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It's Possible the FM radio stuff can cause interference with other devices in such a small space, meaning more power is needed to overcome any distortion.
There might even be a form of idle state it keeps itself in. Take the radio feature on the mp3 player next to me, it doesn't scan through like normal unless you force it to retune. It presets itself stations it can find gets RDS for them and names them and keeps track of it when not using the radio feature and more annoying it will do this when the whole device is in it's standby mode and will do so unless fully turned off.
Personally I believe it's just an oversight when they updated the battery spec on the UK HTC page as mass production is likely to have started and removing it last minuet would have likely been costly.

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There might even be a form of idle state it keeps itself in. Take the radio feature on the mp3 player next to me, it doesn't scan through like normal unless you force it to retune. It presets itself stations it can find gets RDS for them and names them and keeps track of it when not using the radio feature and more annoying it will do this when the whole device is in it's standby mode and will do so unless fully turned off.
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I understand that if it's on standby mode, it may use up battery life. I mean if you leave software running in the background, it will run down your battery as well. So it's understandable.
But if you fully turned it off, it shouldn't kill battery life, cos it's not on, right? So, again, it doesn't make sense for battery life to lower, with or without the radio.
As you said, it could be HTC updating on the battery life spec because they got it wrong the first time round. And they thought the radio is no longer needed on this phone so they take it off as well.
I think this happened to the Samsung Omnia HD (not out till end of June) as well. GSM Arena just took another preview of it and some specs has changed prior to launch. They took the radio out as well.
So anything can happen until everything is set on launch date.

Just thought of a good reason to keep radio for business - GPS traffic data! GPS software use FM radio to receive the traffic data. if no radio, no traffic for GPS software.

Apart from no Radio, I just saw a couple of videos from you tube on TP2 reviews, it looks like the zoon bar is missing too.
I checked HTC's website and their gallery still shows the zoom bar. The videos were uploaded this week as well. So unless they took the video a while back and just uploaded it now, it looks like we are missing more features.
European Version Video Review
Asia CNET Version Video Review
Hope this is my mistake.

I just watched again and on the start of the video, I think I saw a glimpse of the zoom bar but never again afterwards. Maybe it's just so reflective, that I can't see the zoom bar. Maybe it is really me... being too imaginative

european video at 3.36 min, it's there !!!

Ha! You are correct! I saw the glimpse. Super reflective screen makes it hard to see on the video.

cocoaju said:
Ha! You are correct! I saw the glimpse. Super reflective screen makes it hard to see on the video.
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which icont is it? i cant easily make out what one is the radio

HTC HD7 - Buyer beware! (A somewhat scathing mini-review)

After finally getting music onto my HD7 (long story), here are my thoughts on what is turning into a nightmare handset for me.
1. Set up - First of all, the Connector for Mac software will only access iTunes libraries on a local computer, so if like me you have your media stored on a NAS, you're in the sticky stuff. This also goes for USB sticks and external HDDs.
2. Zune - After finally getting some music on to the phone, I checked out the Zune player component. Coming from an i-device, it took a while to find my way around it, but on the whole, it's quite a nice interface. One thing I don't like is when browsing by artist, instead of giving you the albums to pick, it just jumps straight into playing all songs by the artist. Not a big deal, but slightly annoying.
*EDIT* Actually, scrap that last comment. Double tapping on the artist brings up the artist's albums. Excellent!
3. Sound quality - I use some high quality Denon 'buds and have to say, the sound quality is so much better than my iPhone. It's also very loud. Unfortunately, you do get some background hiss when you're flicking between the icons and have no music playing. There was also some feedback as mentioned below in point 4, but when NOT on a call.
4. Call quality - I found this to be pretty decent, UNLESS you're using headphones. You know that feedback ditt-ditty-ditt noise you get when you put a cellphone next to a radio? Well I got that constantly when on a call. Not sure if this is a fault with my phone itself or whether they're all like this. Either way, it's not a good advert for HTC.
5. The screen - After reading about the 'screen tearing' and wondering what it was all about, I now have first hand experience of it. The handset is only 1 day old, so I'm not exactly happy. Does anyone know if this is a hardware of software fault? Have the Mozart or Omnia 7 had the same problem?
6. No gapless playback - A big one for me is this. I've got 200 or so live/dj mix albums, so not having this feature has pretty much made this phone worthless to me. I just don't understand why MS haven't implemented it. If there are no plans to add this, then my HD7 will have to be returned.
Right, that's my take on the HD7. Admittedly, it's not exactly positive, but I have been honest and hope that it will give prospective buyers something to think about.
If I'd have known about some of these things in advance, I would have given the WP7 format a wide berth. This is a shame, as the UI is excellent and there are so many good things about it.

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1. good to know, i didn't know this and hopefully MS will improve on it as they threw it together pretty quick, but who knows... doesn't zune detect the files on NAS though? mine does (well videos anyways, and i've got all sorts of videos formats which all worked), maybe try the k-lite codec pack and see if zune will pick it up then?
2. cool! i'm still getting use to zune myself. i found that if you try and sync an item, and then decide not to sync, there isn't any easy way to just clear it from queue. what you have to do is goto the device, then to sync groups, and remove it from there... bit od, but worked it out.
3. the hissing is most likely hardware related not software related. it is possible that the software could be outputting something to check if it's alive, but i think it's more hardware related.
4. same as 3, i don't believe this is OS related but more hardware related. best thing to do is ask to borrow someone's samsung/LG phone and see if you experience the same?
5. screen tearing? would be hardware as well... i have a HTC trophy which was the phone to show all these screen defects, but luckily i haven't noticed it with mine.
6. gapless playback, that is OS related... and yea they should implement this. Some were saying that it could be to do with the i3 tags? Could you try something for me? try ripping a cd using zune and then see if it plays gapless on zune, if it does, sync it to the phone and see if it's gapless. note though that cross fade (start playing just before the end of the previous sone) isn't available from what i've read.

DaveyBoy72 said:
6. No gapless playback - A big one for me is this. I've got 200 or so live/dj mix albums, so not having this feature has pretty much made this phone worthless to me. I just don't understand why MS haven't implemented it. If there are no plans to add this, then my HD7 will have to be returned.
This is a shame, as the UI is excellent and there are so many good things about it.
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What is a shame is the fact that you're returning the phone because of #6. Are you friggin kidding me ? Wow...

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1. good to know, i didn't know this and hopefully MS will improve on it as they threw it together pretty quick, but who knows... doesn't zune detect the files on NAS though? mine does (well videos anyways, and i've got all sorts of videos formats which all worked), maybe try the k-lite codec pack and see if zune will pick it up then?
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He's using the Connector for Mac instead of the Windows based Zune client. The Connector for Mac is still Beta if I recall correctly so issues like this are gonna get solved eventually I guess.

Basically your complaining about software issues or using a phone as a music player.
Im on my third day of using HD7 all day long and have no problems with it at all.
Zune loaded all my photos and music.
Have not had any screen problems, that could be your one hardware problem.
Sound is fine, though could be louder
No LED alert for notifications. My one complaint.
Everything runs smooth and fast.
I have to say its a nice piece of hardware.

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What is a shame is the fact that you're returning the phone because of #6. Are you friggin kidding me ? Wow...
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For someone who uses their phone primarily as a music player (why carry two things in your pocket), no, I am not kidding you. I could go on all day how iPod/iPhones work with this without problems, but we'd be covering old ground.
Also, it's not just live/DJ mix albums that are gapless these days. I don't know if you listen to a lot of continuous albums, but having a 1 or 2 second gap in a seamless DJ mix kind of defeats the object. It works on the Zune players (and iDevice), so why not on WP7?
To those who suggested using Zune PC to rip new files. I'm on a Mac, so at the moment the Zune software isn't available. I will try a 3rd party ripper though, which might give a different outcome to iTunes. I did try .M4A and .MP3 files from iTunes, but got the same result.
With regard to Connector for Mac, the external drive problem is being looked at and will hopefully be fixed when it moves from a beta release.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone else with a WP7 device, but will try another HD7 in the shop to see if the call interference is there. As mentioned, the earphones act as an antenna for the radio, so maybe it is this that is causing it. After digging around, I've found the screen tearing may be a driver fault and not the hardware itself.
One other minor (good) quirk, is that my Shure iPhone MPA remote/mic partially works with the HD7. It can only stop/start music, but a bonus nonetheless.

New phone
It's interesting each time a new or updated OS and phone comes out we don't really know what to expect or what the limits of the device will be. I went thru this last year (and every other previous year) with Win 6.5 on my Dash 3G. In the end I managed to get 100+ apps installed and the phone did everything except my laundry. I have a good feeling about WP7 (and my HTC Surround)....I've only had it 3 days and I've customized it, I see more (free) apps every day, and I will bet anyone MS will be implementing a lot of tweaks and new features i.e. spending a lot of money to insure these phones will compete with the others. We are all tweakers here and we want to push the limits..a little patience may be necessary.....it's only 3 days old

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For someone who uses their phone primarily as a music player (why carry two things in your pocket), no, I am not kidding you. I could go on all day how iPod/iPhones work with this without problems, but we'd be covering old ground.
Also, it's not just live/DJ mix albums that are gapless these days. I don't know if you listen to a lot of continuous albums, but having a 1 or 2 second gap in a seamless DJ mix kind of defeats the object. It works on the Zune players (and iDevice), so why not on WP7?
To those who suggested using Zune PC to rip new files. I'm on a Mac, so at the moment the Zune software isn't available. I will try a 3rd party ripper though, which might give a different outcome to iTunes. I did try .M4A and .MP3 files from iTunes, but got the same result.
With regard to Connector for Mac, the external drive problem is being looked at and will hopefully be fixed when it moves from a beta release.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone else with a WP7 device, but will try another HD7 in the shop to see if the call interference is there. As mentioned, the earphones act as an antenna for the radio, so maybe it is this that is causing it. After digging around, I've found the screen tearing may be a driver fault and not the hardware itself.
One other minor (good) quirk, is that my Shure iPhone MPA remote/mic partially works with the HD7. It can only stop/start music, but a bonus nonetheless.
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Is your music DRM? With the Zune HD gapless works great as long as it's not with DRM so with my zune pass everything from the pass fails at gapless but works fine with the music I brought to the table without drm

DaveyBoy72 said:
6. No gapless playback - A big one for me is this. I've got 200 or so live/dj mix albums, so not having this feature has pretty much made this phone worthless to me. I just don't understand why MS haven't implemented it. If there are no plans to add this, then my HD7 will have to be returned.
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Why don't you support this idea on the WP7 wish list here
http://windowsphone7community.userv...ral/topics/85023-i-suggest-you-/filter/recent

Done.
None of my music is DRM as I've only ever downloaded 2 tracks in the last 5 years in iTunes.
Most of my music is from CD rips, with the occasional BitTorrent download.
I've still not had a chance to check another HD7 to see if it also produces feedback through the earphones. Has anyone else with an FM radio equiped handset ever had the same thing happen?

honestly I was shocked at the quality of calls on my HD7. I wouldn't call it decent, I'd call it excellent.

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honestly I was shocked at the quality of calls on my HD7. I wouldn't call it decent, I'd call it excellent.
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is that coming from an ex-iphone user?

There are many problems with Wp7, but people have to remember this is a 1st release and only a couple of weeks old. I've had mine for 3 weeks and dispite the shortcuming it's my best phone yet.
I've only had the screen flicker problem once in Zune.

When you say gapless are you talking nearly instant vs absolutely instant or 2 seconds vs nearly instant/absolutely instant?
I have a few albums, some Linkin Park ones in particular that are compiled as a continuous album and i tried it first on the PC zune player. the transition was instantaneous. Then i synced the same tracks to my HTC Surround and played a few and there was about a tenth of a second skip before the next song started. Is that what you are talking about?

*Update*
I've made some progress with the HD7.
1. Finally got Connector for Mac to work properly. It now mirrors any changes in iTunes (eg adding media, playlists, etc) and accesses my NAS no problem. It also syncs ok. Previously I had to use the iTunes library on a local drive, but now it works with the NAS. I had to do a fresh install of iTunes, but it seems to be working now.
2. I've not had any further screen tearing issues. There were a few updates to the HTC apps/front end showing up, so I installed them. Not sure if this has fixed it, or whether I've just been lucky.
3. Gapless playback - Hopefully MS will implement this in the next OS update. I take gapless to mean totally seamless. At the moment, I get gaps of 1-2 seconds at least. Obviously on shuffle or with a regular album it's not a problem, but with an album like Radio Soulwax by 2manyDJs (45 tracks in 60 minutes), it's kind of annoying.
4. The interference! I'm going back to O2 at lunchtime today to try another handset (providing they have one). Still getting that noise when using earphones (my Denon or the supplied headset) and this is noticable with calls, when listening to Zune or the radio, and even when there is no music playing.
Do any other HD7 (or Desire HD) users have this problem??
Note: This is ONLY when using the headphones.
Thanks.

I don't know how you are getting such a long delay in between tracks.. Its barely a split second between mine. Not even close to 1-2 seconds.

Further update.
Popped into O2 at lunchtime. The guy knew exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned this interefence noise, and said they'd had a few others with the same problem.
Anyway, swapped the phone and gave the new one a try in the shop. This worked fine, so hopefully it was just a one-off for me.
Re: Gapless - I was probably exaggerating with the 1-2 seconds, but it's around 0.5-1 second. There's no click and chageover, it's a definite gap.

DaveyBoy72 said:
Popped into O2 at lunchtime. The guy knew exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned this interefence noise, and said they'd had a few others with the same problem.
Anyway, swapped the phone and gave the new one a try in the shop. This worked fine, so hopefully it was just a one-off for me.
Re: Gapless - I was probably exaggerating with the 1-2 seconds, but it's around 0.5-1 second. There's no click and chageover, it's a definite gap.
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I continue to wonder why HTC is regarded as being a top hardware maker, here is yet another indication they are anything but.

efjay said:
I continue to wonder why HTC is regarded as being a top hardware maker, here is yet another indication they are anything but.
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Yes, actually they look like a quite faulty hardware maker...
Software is definitely better from HTC.

i haven't had a bad run with HTC, but I would have easily swapped to samsung (omnia 7) if the carriers here really made it worth while...

[Q] YouTube

Okay heres the issue I'm having with this tablet...I went to try it at a store as I wanted to check the beautiful screen and just the general unit. So to test the screen I decided to play the following video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgKXcQ9PLuc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The internet connection was perfect....anyways the video was stuttery and tbh I was a little dissapointed since its buttery smooth on my S3.
I would appreciate for you guys to test it on your Note's and let me know how the video plays. Its important that it doesnt have youtube or really HQ playback problems since I'm planning on purchasing it from America so returning it for a refund wont be an option for me (I'm in UK)
The tablet as a whole is truely an amazing piece of kit and I really wish I have been an idiot and missed something. I'm going to try and visit a different shop tomorrow so hopefully it was just because the unit has been abused by customers or something.
P.S. I dont mind this thread getting hijacked for other youtube problems/questions on the Note 10.1 2014.

Geordie Affy said:
Okay heres the issue I'm having with this tablet...I went to try it at a store as I wanted to check the beautiful screen and just the general unit. So to test the screen I decided to play the following video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgKXcQ9PLuc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The internet connection was perfect....anyways the video was stuttery and tbh I was a little dissapointed since its buttery smooth on my S3.
I would appreciate for you guys to test it on your Note's and let me know how the video plays. Its important that it doesnt have youtube problems since I'm planning on purchasing it from America so returning it for a refund wont be an option for me.
The tablet as a whole is truely an amazing piece of kit and I really wish I have been an idiot and missed something. I'm going to try and visit a different shop tomorrow so hopefully it was just because the unit has been abused by customers or something.
P.S. I dont mind this thread getting hijacked for other youtube problems/questions on the Note 10.1 2014.
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Mine plays it smooth mate. Very slight jerkiness with the star movements but I think that's just due to the time lapse? You have to look hard to notice it. Want to try linking to another video that isn't time lapse?

jack880 said:
Mine plays it smooth mate. Very slight jerkiness with the star movements but I think that's just due to the time lapse? You have to look hard to notice it. Want to try linking to another video that isn't time lapse?
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Thanks for checking mate :good:
Yeah I notice it then mainly too but tbh I noticed it different parts of the video again and again without trying to concentrate on it.
Why would time lapse matter? Plus that whole video is a timelapse so it should wither be all stuttery or play just fine really. I'm not an expert at this stuff as you can probs tell LOL just curious to why this tablet with the best screen on the market stutters with that video.
Try this one mate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGnHB3rtMU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Geordie Affy said:
Thanks for checking mate :good:
Yeah I notice it then mainly too but tbh I noticed it different parts of the video again and again without trying to concentrate on it.
Why would time lapse matter? Plus that whole video is a timelapse so it should wither be all stuttery or play just fine really. I'm not an expert at this stuff as you can probs tell LOL just curious to why this tablet with the best screen on the market stutters with that video.
Try this one mate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGnHB3rtMU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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No probs.
I'm connected with my phone now but will try the 2nd one on my wifi when i get home.
I watched both videos on my PC which has an i7 processor, 32GB RAM and Nvidia 4GB graphics card. It was connected to fibre optic 40MB BT Infinity and I saw the same slight stutter as I saw on the tablet. So I'd say it's the video rather than what we're watching it on...

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No probs.
I'm connected with my phone now but will try the 2nd one on my wifi when i get home.
I watched both videos on my PC which has an i7 processor, 32GB RAM and Nvidia 4GB graphics card. It was connected to fibre optic 40MB BT Infinity and I saw the same slight stutter as I saw on the tablet. So I'd say it's the video rather than what we're watching it on...
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mmmm but works fine on my Galaxy S3 which is odd.

Anyways I got myself to another Currys today and tried out the Note's videos capabilitues for 20Mins. Man I love it....the youtube clip was much much better and I tried a different 4K video and that was absolutely flawless, So i guess the note just doesnt like the first video HAHA.
Anyways thanks for helping out mate - Now hopefully my mate gets an opportunity to buy me one from the US....Cannet wait to get one and watch a movie on that bad boy.

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Anyways I got myself to another Currys today and tried out the Note's videos capabilitues for 20Mins. Man I love it....the youtube clip was much much better and I tried a different 4K video and that was absolutely flawless, So i guess the note just doesnt like the first video HAHA.
Anyways thanks for helping out mate - Now hopefully my mate gets an opportunity to buy me one from the US....Cannet wait to get one and watch a movie on that bad boy.
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Not sure if this was already mentioned but the first link you posted actually links to a 3D version of the video. That might be why it played back funny on the note. Also, if you go through the youtube app you don't get the option to play the 3D version. Only if you play it through the web.

I'm facing serious stuttering on mine too! Only happens in YouTube app. YouTube videos played in browser works fine

Jasonchewy91 said:
I'm facing serious stuttering on mine too! Only happens in YouTube app. YouTube videos played in browser works fine
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That is very strange. I would say you may have a bad device. Ask fir a replacement.

Okay I have a wierd issue on my Note when I play videos on youtube. Basically when watching a video in full screen mode and I change the orientation of the note the screen goes dim with a small box appears in the middle of the screen with appears to be signal bars at the bottom left of it.
Anyone experience this...I will take a screenshot when I finish work so yous can see what I mean but thought maybe in the mean time someone is/has experienced this before.
P.S I have no issues with signal or video quality during normal playback.

I just tried playing it back in the YouTube app and it stuttered very badly. I played it earlier on my son's iPad air and it played flawlessly. This is my 2nd note 2014 1st one had major screen issues.
Up until all of this Knox bs I've loved my Samsung devices, know it seems that it may be time to try something else. Fortunately I've got until Jan 15th to decide if I want to keep it or not.
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donharden2002 said:
I just tried playing it back in the YouTube app and it stuttered very badly. I played it earlier on my son's iPad air and it played flawlessly. This is my 2nd note 2014 1st one had major screen issues.
Up until all of this Knox bs I've loved my Samsung devices, know it seems that it may be time to try something else. Fortunately I've got until Jan 15th to decide if I want to keep it or not.
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What video is stuttering? The one I posted on this thread on the first post?
See the weird thing is when I tried to play that video in some shops it failed miserably (before I had the Note 2014) yet now that I play it on my Note it plays flawlessly it's truly weird. I hope you figure out what the problem is.

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What video is stuttering? The one I posted on this thread on the first post?
See the weird thing is when I tried to play that video in some shops it failed miserably (before I had the Note 2014) yet now that I play it on my Note it plays flawlessly it's truly weird. I hope you figure out what the problem is.
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Basically every video I tried to pay on YouTube, even tried playing non hq videos and they stuttered as well. I did a factory reset and it seems to be better but still a few issues with playback.
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donharden2002 said:
Basically every video I tried to pay on YouTube, even tried playing non hq videos and they stuttered as well. I did a factory reset and it seems to be better but still a few issues with playback.
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Aye there must be something wrong with your Note then, I would deffo get it exchanged again or go to a different store since you probably got a Note from the same batch the last time you returned it.

What do you do with your Nexus 7?

Hey guys,
Since I got my Nexus 5 (9 months ago),
I'm having hard time to find any use case for the N7 - the N5 does everything I need!
I want to revive my N7 usage and looking for some nice ideas -
what do you do with your N7?
do you carry it around with you?
what do you do with it that you don't do with your smartphone?
Cheers

Reading books, Facebook, little email, games for kids... I split the time between N7 and N10 depending on battery status and kids' needs.
I have a Sony Xperia M as a main phone and I rarely take the tablets out of house...

Pen testing: http://nethunter.com/

TopTomy said:
Hey guys,
Since I got my Nexus 5 (9 months ago),
I'm having hard time to find any use case for the N7 - the N5 does everything I need!
I want to revive my N7 usage and looking for some nice ideas -
what do you do with your N7?
do you carry it around with you?
what do you do with it that you don't do with your smartphone?
Cheers
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It helps me read newspaper, watch films, Youtube, Facebook... easily but i seldom carry it go outside.
amazing battery is reason that i choose it
Nexus brand is other reason :good:

lyhoangvt said:
It helps me read newspaper, watch films, Youtube, Facebook... easily but i seldom carry it go outside.
amazing battery is reason that i choose it
Nexus brand is other reason :good:
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haha very nice

I use mine almost exclusively for media, xbmc, chromecasting, I love it works great. I take mine everywhere, I drive a lot and watching movies while driving helps pass the time!! ha!!

jblaze10 said:
I use mine almost exclusively for media, xbmc, chromecasting, I love it works great. I take mine everywhere, I drive a lot and watching movies while driving helps pass the time!! ha!!
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wow, you really carry the N7 with you everyday, along with your smartphone?

I use it to travel (replaced a bigger, thicker, much heavier HP TouchPad). Read books on the plane, read emails, browse, watch videos in the hotel. I also bring it in my work bag and use it if I go to lunch at a place with free wifi. Even as small as the 7 inc screen seems compared to larger tablets, my phone's screen (S3) is even smaller and I much prefer to use the N7 for the above usecases. I think that would even be true with a larger phone (phablet).

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I use it to travel (replaced a bigger, thicker, much heavier HP TouchPad). Read books on the plane, read emails, browse, watch videos in the hotel. I also bring it in my work bag and use it if I go to lunch at a place with free wifi. Even as small as the 7 inc screen seems compared to larger tablets, my phone's screen (S3) is even smaller and I much prefer to use the N7 for the above usecases. I think that would even be true with a larger phone (phablet).
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Oh nice, and do you tether you phone when wifi is not available?

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Oh nice, and do you tether you phone when wifi is not available?
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Depends. I don't have an unlimited data plan anymore, so depending on how much data I have used I will use my personal phone as a hot spot on weekends on the rare occasion I can't access a free hotspot and I need to be connected. If I am at work and at lunch, I might use my work phone (a S4) as a hot spot, but only if I am working through lunch.
I was on vacation a few months ago in an area with very limited wifi (none in the condo unit), so I used my personal phone as a hot spot but again I tried to limit usage (heck... I was on vacation, and didn't really need to be connected that much). Even with that in mind, I hit my limit when I had to download a new ROM on my phone to resolve an issue.

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Depends. I don't have an unlimited data plan anymore, so depending on how much data I have used I will use my personal phone as a hot spot on weekends on the rare occasion I can't access a free hotspot and I need to be connected. If I am at work and at lunch, I might use my work phone (a S4) as a hot spot, but only if I am working through lunch.
I was on vacation a few months ago in an area with very limited wifi (none in the condo unit), so I used my personal phone as a hot spot but again I tried to limit usage (heck... I was on vacation, and didn't really need to be connected that much). Even with that in mind, I hit my limit when I had to download a new ROM on my phone to resolve an issue.
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haha very nice man! thx for sharing.

TopTomy said:
haha very nice man! thx for sharing.
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No problem. I am very happy with the N7 (2013, Flo model) running SlimKat 8.0. Sure, it would be great if it was a tad larger (screen diameter) without making the tablet too much larger (less bezel). Battery length is fine, speed is fine, and so far everything app I need works well on the N7.
And... getting access to free wifi is getting easier and easier. I tend to choose places that offer it (hopefully if more people do, more businesses will offer wifi). Near my office I have a Taco Cabana, a Panda Express, and a McDonalds (all McD's offer great wifi). Airports are hit and miss still it seems... I hate the ones that use wifi businesses that push you to buy wifi. Most hotels offer at least basic wifi.
As my eyes get progressively worse with age (and I have both a strabisnus prob and nearsightedness) the cell phone screen just isn't large enough for extended use. So a tablet I can easily put in my pocket is a great tool. And... it doesn't bend. :laugh:

Nomad1600 said:
No problem. I am very happy with the N7 (2013, Flo model) running SlimKat 8.0. Sure, it would be great if it was a tad larger (screen diameter) without making the tablet too much larger (less bezel). Battery length is fine, speed is fine, and so far everything app I need works well on the N7.
And... getting access to free wifi is getting easier and easier. I tend to choose places that offer it (hopefully if more people do, more businesses will offer wifi). Near my office I have a Taco Cabana, a Panda Express, and a McDonalds (all McD's offer great wifi). Airports are hit and miss still it seems... I hate the ones that use wifi businesses that push you to buy wifi. Most hotels offer at least basic wifi.
As my eyes get progressively worse with age (and I have both a strabisnus prob and nearsightedness) the cell phone screen just isn't large enough for extended use. So a tablet I can easily put in my pocket is a great tool. And... it doesn't bend. :laugh:
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hahah! not willing to try to bend it though

My LTE N7 is basically an alternate to my Note 2; anything "tablety" I want to do I do on my Note 8.0. I like the N7 but I love my big Note!

My phone (S3) is used for all above things outside of the house. As soon as I get home, phone gets put away and N7 comes out.

Youtube reading books. and fb
btw there is a good drift race i often play it:good:

Just bought a nexus 7 for work, I use it with Nethunter for penetration testing

I use mine around the home mostly, or while on holiday. Saves having to rape the battery on my phone.
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TopTomy said:
wow, you really carry the N7 with you everyday, along with your smartphone?
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Sure do! I use hotspot from m7 for data. I have unlimited sprint plan so I have no barriers! As I said, it is a multimedia device for me. At home I am casting and when traveling watching movies. This tab handles all of it. With the help of clean rom of course, which is far and away the best for me!!
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I use mine for candy crush.