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Hello!
I need some assistance regarding the HOX stock camera app.
You see, the photos i tace with the One X turns out really bad.
My old (old, old, old) iPhone 3GS kicks this one's ass.
The images turns out grainy and low res. It's set to 8mpx and all settings are stock.
Now i thought it was a hardware problem but when trying other camera apps souch as Camera Zoom FX they turn out pretty great.
The stock camera app pictures is about 1.5-1.7 mb while the Camera Zoom fx are at a natural ca 3.5mb.
Photo taken with stock camera app: 8mpx: http://oi45.tinypic.com/n2odar.jpg
Photo taken with Camera Zoom FX, 8mpx: http://oi48.tinypic.com/i5ver8.jpg
HOX stock: http://oi49.tinypic.com/21dizcx.jpg
Camera Zoom FX: http://oi48.tinypic.com/315cvg0.jpg
What could be causing this problem, or should I simply return it?
Do you have the stock camera app 8mp set to 16:9 or 4:3 format? I noticed with my own testing that the 16:9 format uses less of the sensor and you dont get full 8mp images resulting in lower image size. The 4:3 format is getting me 2.8mb+ image size.
undegaard said:
Hello!
I need some assistance regarding the HOX stock camera app.
You see, the photos i tace with the One X turns out really bad.
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Now i thought it was a hardware problem but when trying other camera apps souch as Camera Zoom FX they turn out pretty great.
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What could be causing this problem, or should I simply return it?
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You seem to have already answered your first question, and as to whether to return it or not because the stock camera app over compresses images, well, up to you.
Stock cam app compresses so you can have burst mode. Third party apps don't have the same speed as stock camera, but compensates with quality. And no, even with the stock app, the 3GS camera is worse.
harlz: I've tried both. 4:3 gives me a slightly better image.
I'ts strange thoug. Yesterday I rebooted the phone and took a picture, the screen was black for about 3 sek and then it took a photo that was just amazingly good. I took about tree more great pictures that ended up on ca 4mb. But now. I'm down to about 2mb and the images just looks like crap.
What could be causing this? Is anyone experiencing something like this?
ArmedandDangerous said:
Stock cam app compresses so you can have burst mode. Third party apps don't have the same speed as stock camera, but compensates with quality. And no, even with the stock app, the 3GS camera is worse.
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Thanks for the help! Or...
Anyway, 3gs photo: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...54128967643_649942642_9781743_388921598_n.jpg
not that superdifferance
undegaard said:
harlz: I've tried both. 4:3 gives me a slightly better image.
I'ts strange thoug. Yesterday I rebooted the phone and took a picture, the screen was black for about 3 sek and then it took a photo that was just amazingly good. I took about tree more great pictures that ended up on ca 4mb. But now. I'm down to about 2mb and the images just looks like crap.
What could be causing this? Is anyone experiencing something like this?
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Sounds like you were using the HDR function of the camera?
undegaard said:
Thanks for the help! Or...
Anyway, 3gs photo: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...54128967643_649942642_9781743_388921598_n.jpg
not that superdifferance
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Well..your image is out of focus so -_-
http://dl.xda-developers.com/attach.../1/8/2/4/3/uploadfromtaptalk1335072169687.jpg
Jummy said:
Sounds like you were using the HDR function of the camera?
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I wish I was. But if you look at the picture Its not. Niether is any of the other bad pictures. I made a thread at swedroid and people are experiencing this as well.
It takes pics soooo slow, making anything moving blurry.
ceteamclut said:
It takes pics soooo slow, making anything moving blurry.
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you must have a bad phone also this needs to go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help
CheesyNutz said:
you must have a bad phone also this needs to go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help
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LG built it to have a low iso and low shutter speed to keep it bright. It's not broken, but I didn't know if anyone knew how to modify anything to change it, or have an app to do so.
Try Camera FV-5 app. You can adjust iso and wb manually.
Pro capture works good for me.
tridogg97 said:
Pro capture works good for me.
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hmm...i'll try this one....i have the same problem as the op
Camera FV-5 works better than the regular camera, but I still want to find a way to fix the regular camera.
Hello. Is it normal that there is lot of noise in photos taken with zoom, but only sometimes? Can you please take several same photos one by one in zoom 4x in low light conditions in auto mode? Do all images have the same amount of noise? Images from my phone sometimes are very noisy. They should look the same I think. Please take a look on below photos. There is big difference, but I don't see difference in photos taken without zoom. It looks like auto mode changes some settings very aggressively. :/
kozakis01 said:
Hello. Is it normal that there is lot of noise in photos taken with zoom, but only sometimes? Can you please take several same photos one by one in zoom 4x in low light conditions in auto mode? Do all images have the same amount of noise? Images from my phone sometimes are very noisy. They should look the same I think. Please take a look on below photos. There is big difference, but I don't see difference in photos taken without zoom. It looks like auto mode changes some settings very aggressively. :/
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Anyone?
Well, you took low-light shots and zoomed. The zoom is only digital and won't do anything. It's better to leave zooming and enlarge the area of preference later by a photo-editing program at your PC or laptop.
Keep in mind: High ISO + zooming = Noisy pictures. Keep your ISO as low as possible and like I said: Avoid zooming - at least in darkened areas.
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Well, you took low-light shots and zoomed. The zoom is only digital and won't do anything. It's better to leave zooming and enlarge the area of preference later by a photo-editing program at your PC or laptop.
Keep in mind: High ISO + zooming = Noisy pictures. Keep your ISO as low as possible and like I said: Avoid zooming - at least in darkened areas.
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Ok, but some images taken in the same conditions are noisy and other are not. It looks like noise reduction doesn't work sometimes at all. Is noise reduction working also in manual mode? I have always noise in this mode (in auto only sometimes).
In some cases, even the best noise-reduction can't help. It only would result in a blurry image at the very end. Like I said: Keep ISO as low as possible & yes: In manual-mode, this value can be fixed. The phone itself sets the automo-iso for each image at other modes & maybe checks a darker spot sometimes. The result is a noisier image.
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In some cases, even the best noise-reduction can't help. It only would result in a blurry image at the very end. Like I said: Keep ISO as low as possible & yes: In manual-mode, this value can be fixed. The phone itself sets the automo-iso for each image at other modes & maybe checks a darker spot sometimes. The result is a noisier image.
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Does noise reduction work also in manual mode? I can't get good results in manual mode in lowlight, because there is lot of noise in each iso/shutter speed settings. It seems like noise reduction doesn't work in manual mode.
kozakis01 said:
Does noise reduction work also in manual mode? I can't get good results in manual mode in lowlight, because there is lot of noise in each iso/shutter speed settings. It seems like noise reduction doesn't work in manual mode.
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In auto, lg G4 will activate night mode in low light condition,,you can check there's no iso value in that shots.
@faizalotai: Do this by yourself and view your photo with any EXIF editor or viewer. You'll see, the phone for sure changes ISO values in every, except manual mode.
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@faizalotai: Do this by yourself and view your photo with any EXIF editor or viewer. You'll see, the phone for sure changes ISO values in every, except manual mode.
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I figured out that around 1 from 10 photos is destroyed by noise. It doesn't has to be photo taken with zoom, but when I zoom in this photo there is lot of noise. Can you check yours G4?
I guess, I should link you to informations about sensors and ISO-values then . Get a look here: https://www.objc.io/issues/21-camera-and-photos/how-your-camera-works/
As they title said I tied to find out but am at a loss in trying to find out exactly what is happening when we use the HQ mode in the camera app.
In night scenes it seems to produce a better photo but the shutter speed is the same. One plus have not really said what they have changed since the HD to HQ update so wondered if anyone could let me know ? Is it an extra stop in exposure maybe ?
Just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md3Ow6AEwLU
(HD recently got renamed to HQ)
Mine still says HQ
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jdawgg21 said:
Mine still says HQ
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It used to be hd then they changed it to hq
AcmE85 said:
Just watch this video:
(HD recently got renamed to HQ)
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Thanks for the video but it didn't really answer my question as it was only a comparison.
That video just compared the 2 options of HD (which has slightly changed since they renamed it to HQ) and HDR. It does not explain what kind of post processing happens apart from staying it used a de noise filter. I wonder what "exactly" is happening with exposure, contrast, saturation etc when you use this HQ mode ?
If anyone knows that would be really helpful.
Crap. I read it wrong. I thought it said HQ recently got changed to HD. And does anyone elses HQ lag like crazy?
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jdawgg21 said:
Crap. I read it wrong. I thought it said HQ recently got changed to HD. And does anyone elses HQ lag like crazy?
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Not suffering any lag on mine however I am not rooted and complete stock ? How about you ?
ipmanwck said:
Not suffering any lag on mine however I am not rooted and complete stock ? How about you ?
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Mine is rooted and running the Elemental Kernel. So I guess that's probably it.
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@jdawgg21 Nope, that's not it.
When using HQ in lowlight, it automatically reduces shutter-speed even more compared to the already lower speed in auto-mode.
Lower shutter-speed = lower framerate
1/30s = 30fps
1/10 (mostly when using HQ) = 10 fps
When others say they don't see the lag, it must only mean they did not test this in the same lighting conditions as you did.
It "lags" here too and so does it on every device which will use 1/10 or even lower shutter speed which shows you a real-time preview of what the image will approximately look like when taking the shot.
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@jdawgg21 Nope, that's not it.
When using HQ in lowlight, it automatically reduces shutter-speed even more compared to the already lower speed in auto-mode.
Lower shutter-speed = lower framerate
1/30s = 30fps
1/10 (mostly when using HQ) = 10 fps
When others say they don't see the lag, it must only mean they did not test this in the same lighting conditions as you did.
It "lags" here too and so does it on every device which will use 1/10 or even lower shutter speed which shows you a real-time preview of what the image will approximately look like when taking the shot.
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Finally a sensible answer. Thanks man. I had been asking around and Juan Bagnel said it's probably doing something like a dslr de noise function so what you said makes sense I have only used it indoors with artificial light so probably had no lag but so is what is displayed on the screen if it is leggy is representative of the shutter speed ?
I have heard from a Carl Pei interview that the camera is the reason for the phone having 6gb of ram because it snaps 4 photos at the same time we snap one photo. The phone then automatically chooses the best one photo of those four photos. I reckon that is also a probable answer due to the lag you are experiencing.
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markusviktorius said:
I have heard from a Carl Pei interview that the camera is the reason for the phone having 6gb of ram because it snaps 4 photos at the same time we snap one photo. The phone then automatically chooses the best one photo of those four photos. I reckon that is also a probable answer due to the lag you are experiencing.
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No, this is not the answer for the "lag". Why doesn't it lag in good lighting then?
I already gave the correct explanation for this.
As an example: I don't know if you have experience with the OnePlus One. It also started lagging much heavier in lowlightconditions due to the low shutter-speed.
Eventually, Sultan released his modded camera hal which forced the camera to not go below 1/30s on the shutter-speed.
The result was a perfectly fluid viewfinder regardless of the lighting conditions.
I am only talking about the fluidity of the viewfinder here. (Shutter-speed and video-framerate is a whole different story not to be mixed-up here...)
I've seen this interview too,
but I don't agree with him that it takes the best of these 4, instead I think that it somehow combines them into one.
This often results in more blurry pictures, even in good lighting!
Check this video I did on this issue:
http://www108.zippyshare.com/v/KidtanPE/file.html
As you can already see in the video, all images were taken without HQ or HDR. You can clearly see this when taking a picture and quickly swiping to the gallery.
For an instant, you will see the unprocessed picture which quickly changes as processing is being applied! Sometimes to the worse though :/
This gets more pronounced the more the ISO level goes up on a shot.
I was holding my phone as steady as possible and you can see that the shots which are displayed first look sharp before postprocessing.
So how can this be explained when, as Carl says, "the camera takes the best out of 4 shots"?!?
I first thought that in HQ mode, the camera is doing Dynamic Denoise
Grainy pictures are a thing of the past with Dynamic De-noise, which takes several photos and compares them to reduce noise and improve clarity.
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However GSMA review says that the Denoise function gets activated automatically when there is minimum handshake and is not dependent on modes.
A few other things I have noticed.
1) On 3.1.x the noise suppression was very aggressive, almost like a water paint effect. On 3.2.x, the photos are more natural. Still less noise that normal mode.
2) The minimum shutter speed in HQ mode is 1/10 while without HQ it is 1/17
3) RAW is disabled in HDR as well as HQ modes. This makes me think that the HQ (like HDR) is using multiple snaps to filter noise that is Dynamic denoise. If you quickly switch image preview after clicking a pic, you can see the transition from normal to HQ happening. This is definitely not normal noise reduction.
ungeeked said:
This makes me think that the HQ (like HDR) is using multiple snaps to filter noise that is Dynamic denoise. If you quickly switch image preview after clicking a pic, you can see the transition from normal to HQ happening. This is definitely not normal noise reduction.
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This is exactly what I said in my post right above yours and it even happens when HQ and HDR are disabled.
Check the linked video. I bet this is what you mean.
I hate this behavior, often faces are smoothed out because of this, even in perfect lighting conditions.
Hi, it seems the HQ mode does not generate RAW file, someone He checked?
manu.mr64 said:
Hi, it seems the HQ mode does not generate RAW file, someone He checked?
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A raw file is a photographic negative without any processing applied to it.
So even when the app would generate a raw file in HQ mode,
it would not look any different than the raw file created with HQ disabled.
My best bet is that the app is saving its resources for the HQ postprcessing,
thus completely skipping the raw part intentionally.
AcmE85 said:
A raw file is a photographic negative without any processing applied to it.
So even when the app would generate a raw file in HQ mode,
it would not look any different than the raw file created with HQ disabled.
My best bet is that the app is saving its resources for the HQ postprcessing,
thus completely skipping the raw part intentionally.
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OK understand, thank you very much
Using Global version 11.0.6.0.
I notice that the main camera, even at 1x setting, produces quite a bit of pincushion distortion at the edges. Furthermore, in 0.6x wide angle, the distortion is severe and not at all helped by turning on the correction setting.
None of the camera reviews for the RN8P mention this, so I am wondering if there is a defect in my device.
Any thoughts?
use gcam it will fix it
Nihat2003lol said:
use gcam it will fix it
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I guess I have to pick my poison. I briefly tried Gcam but didn't really evaluate it because it seemed so laggy and buggy
jshames said:
I guess I have to pick my poison. I briefly tried Gcam but didn't really evaluate it because it seemed so laggy and buggy
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yes it seems laggy but it is good. To not to experience bugs download [this]
Nihat2003lol said:
yes it seems laggy but it is good. To not to experience bugs download [this]
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I tried it and I don't see any clear improvement over the built in app, either with distortion or with the photo quality itself. In fact the native app 64 mp mode is much clearer
I admit that I haven't bothered with using the xml file, in the past I haven't found that its worth the effort...
jshames said:
I tried it and I don't see any clear improvement over the built in app, either with distortion or with the photo quality itself. In fact the native app 64 mp mode is much clearer
I admit that I haven't bothered with using the xml file, in the past I haven't found that its worth the effort...
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Use it with hdr+ option on. Otherwise you cant see anyting different.
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Use it with hdr+ option on. Otherwise you cant see anyting different.
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Only when I use the "enhanced HDR+" is there a difference, but that's like night mode where it takes a few seconds to take the shot
I saw a youtube review and comparison using this version and the stock app. The reviewer perhaps could see the difference (pixel peeping), but it was not obvious to me