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This phone cam with the Lookout security thing....so after rooting i un-installed it as i saw i can re-install it from the market and move to SD(since i do not have licensed Titanium backup yet, so can't move system apps to SD directly). So, i was wondering if it is worth to install anti-virus and if yes, which one do you guys use or prefer.
personally i don't use it
if you are careful with what you install, and from where
then there's no worry about "virus"
that term is really outdated virus are so dead, now in days we really have malwares and spywares, virus don't exist anymore, they are just not compatible with the new systems anymore
"Virus" is kind of an umbrella term these days for sure, but there are plenty of threats for Android devices, particularly if you ever install anything from outside the Market. It's pretty easy to write an app that tries to steal personal info or sends out unauthorized sms messages, etc. Beyond that, there's the constant threat of losing your phone or having it stolen. An app like https://market.android.com/details?id=com.eset.ems will cover all these bases, which is pretty sweet. It's free right now, but will likely cost a small fortune soon. But the idea is you always want to be proactive with security. Ounce of prevention really applies here. A good app like Eset isn't constantly scanning in the background or anything like that, so there's little to no performance or battery implications of using one. Whenever I install a new app, or copy new files to my SD card, it scans them once and I can know I did my part in at least protecting myself as much as possible.
android4sunny said:
This phone cam with the Lookout security thing....so after rooting i un-installed it as i saw i can re-install it from the market and move to SD(since i do not have licensed Titanium backup yet, so can't move system apps to SD directly). So, i was wondering if it is worth to install anti-virus and if yes, which one do you guys use or prefer.
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My personal favorite is Kaspersky Anti-Virus. Is more of a anti theft app versus anti virus. Scans new apps, but if another sim card is inserted into your phone and you have replaced your sim and phone, you will get a text with the number from the foreign sim card. So you can call or or even remote lock it down or wipe. It is pretty thorough, but its $10 :[.
Anti-virus for phones should be classified as riskware. The likelihood of you getting a virus or anything malicious on your smartphone is very slim.
USELESS !
android4sunny said:
This phone cam with the Lookout security thing....so after rooting i un-installed it as i saw i can re-install it from the market and move to SD(since i do not have licensed Titanium backup yet, so can't move system apps to SD directly). So, i was wondering if it is worth to install anti-virus and if yes, which one do you guys use or prefer.
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well, it's Useless while you downloading from market.. and transferring files from trusted friends ,
I don't use it at all <never used it before> ^_^
Also it slows ur mobile and take some from Ram Usage..
Hi,
the Replicant team made me aware of something.
Replicant is an Android fork ROM that emphasizes on security and privacy (e.g. they removed all Google services from Android).
This is their article I'm talking about:
http://replicant.us/2013/11/fairphone/
I think all the software is free now (correct me if it isn't). Links in benkxda's thread.
But what about the modem being embedded in the SoC? I guess that's the case?
That would mean the Fairphone is not completely secure.
So let's make ourselves heard that we would be happy to see the next device without a modem embedded on the SoC.
What the Fairphone has achieved in regard to openness and fairness so far is considerable and great! I'd like that to continue, so that's why I bring this up.
some security possible?
Unrelashade said:
That would mean the Fairphone is not completely secure.
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Hi Unrelashade,
thank you for bringing this topic up. I think complete security is not possible - even the encrypted blackberry of cancellor Merkel was hacked.
But "some" security should be possible - and I think the main problem is me: The things I do wrong, the rights I give to apps and the way I do backup and data storage. So I kindly would like to aks you guys for some advice - How can I save my private data and also my companies data from data selling companies or a theft?
So I try a combination of:
* active sync of my data (e-mails, contacts, ...) with my own server (egroupware) - no sync with google or other free services
* encryption of phone storage with good password
* possibility to wipe my phone remotely in the case I loose it (not testet yet)
* Xposed & Xprivacy to limit data distribution by some apps
Now I have the feeling, that Xprivacy could kill the remote wipe - that would be very bad.
Furthermore, I am not familiar with the settings in egroupware - I did not find the remote wipe function yet or other active sync security features.
And I am missing a good backup methode - save and practical. Finally there may be a lot of things I do not know yet but I should take care of.
Could you help me to improve security in a reasonable way? Could you point me to a how-to with android and the egroupware ?
sidingFP said:
Hi Unrelashade,
thank you for bringing this topic up. I think complete security is not possible - even the encrypted blackberry of cancellor Merkel was hacked
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You're right, secure is not the right word. What I mean is that most phones might be used as a remote spying device. There is a way to build them so that this is not possible and that's worth working towards as a goal, imo.
On security with Android in general there are probably a lot of good threads/ websites, e.g. see the posts of the xda portal (news) tagged with "say sayonara" (to google services):
http://www.xda-developers.com/tag/say-sayonara/
To me it sounds like the only step you need to take to protect your data is to uninstall/ not install Google Services. They're deeply embedded into Android but there are people who work for a Google free Android system, see my link from the OP to replicant or e.g. this thread by Marvin
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
I'm not sure if the fairphone system that is downloadable is completely free of Google Services, you may want to check that.
The only thing left then is that the Fairphone is still a smartphone with the modem embedded on the SoC. That still makes it possible to be used as a remote spying device (see my OP) if I understand it correctly.
I know there is apps like Parallel Space but let's be honest, no one wants an ad lurking in the corner of your WhatsApp window. Is there any other app (AD FREE) or solutions for this thing?
charackthe said:
I know there is apps like Parallel Space but let's be honest, no one wants an ad lurking in the corner of your WhatsApp window. Is there any other app (AD FREE) or solutions for this thing?
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I have not seen many as this is a nich thing. Not many people worry about having more then one instance of an app. Its mostly in India and China where you find people using things like that.
zelendel said:
I have not seen many as this is a nich thing. Not many people worry about having more then one instance of an app. Its mostly in India and China where you find people using things like that.
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I was moving from one carrier to another and I have to stay there for 3 months, so for three month I'll have two sim cards and I'll designate one as my work card. That's why I'll need it for three months.
charackthe said:
I was moving from one carrier to another and I have to stay there for 3 months, so for three month I'll have two sim cards and I'll designate one as my work card. That's why I'll need it for three months.
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Then your best bet would be to run one of the stock based roms that have this built in. Apps are made so you can only have one installed and used at a time. Some roms find a way around it but those are normally OSS or MIUI roms. AOSP roms wont have this functionality.
charackthe said:
I know there is apps like Parallel Space but let's be honest, no one wants an ad lurking in the corner of your WhatsApp window. Is there any other app (AD FREE) or solutions for this thing?
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if its only about whatsapp just use GBWhatsapp's Dual Whatsapp.
GBWAPlus = The Primary WhatsApp, The One To Replace Your Official One.
GBWA Dual-WhatsApp = The Second WhatsApp To Install Separately For Running 2 WhatsApps.
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For facebook you can use Friendly. better and more battery friendly than official facebook app anyway.
other social media apps i dont use, so cant tell about more.
MarcTremonti said:
if its only about whatsapp just use GBWhatsapp's Dual Whatsapp.
For facebook you can use Friendly. better and more battery friendly than official facebook app anyway.
other social media apps i dont use, so cant tell about more.
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Is GB Whatsapp safe for daily use? Any info mining or something to be concerned about? Is the privacy as "private" as official Whatsapp?
charackthe said:
Is GB Whatsapp safe for daily use? Any info mining or something to be concerned about? Is the privacy as "private" as official Whatsapp?
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You need to let go of any privacy concerns as long as you use FB and apps owned by FB or Google.
zelendel said:
You need to let go of any privacy concerns as long as you use FB and apps owned by FB or Google.
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That's why I put the thing in quotation marks
My actual question is (without being sarcastic) will there be anyone raping my privacy except Google and FB if I were to use GBWhatsapp?
charackthe said:
That's why I put the thing in quotation marks
My actual question is (without being sarcastic) will there be anyone raping my privacy except Google and FB if I were to use GBWhatsapp?
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No most apps are pretty safe when it comes to peoples data. The fear mongering that goes on in android is amazing. Ill be honest. The average person could install and infected app and have their data collected but in most cases it is disgarded as it really is worthless.
You take the same chance with apps like this as you do with custom roms, xposed mod, root and all the other nice little things people use.
zelendel said:
No most apps are pretty safe when it comes to peoples data. The fear mongering that goes on in android is amazing. Ill be honest. The average person could install and infected app and have their data collected but in most cases it is disgarded as it really is worthless.
You take the same chance with apps like this as you do with custom roms, xposed mod, root and all the other nice little things people use.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the collected data is some text and some other useless stuff that's literally worth nothing and the most extreme thing that they can collect is the IMEI number which is again useless right?
charackthe said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the collected data is some text and some other useless stuff that's literally worth nothing and the most extreme thing that they can collect is the IMEI number which is again useless right?
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Oh no not at all. Heck most apps already collect your IMEI. This could be used to clone your device and with the right other info that can be collected could have them completely able to piggyback your account.
With the right setup I could collect every thing you type into the device. All devices already come with a built in keylogger. I could get all your passwords, bank account information and passwords, everything. Its just alot of work and the average persons info is not really worth it.
When apps collect data it is mostly mining your email addy. To be sold in lots to different groups.
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Oh no not at all. Heck most apps already collect your IMEI. This could be used to clone your device and with the right other info that can be collected could have them completely able to piggyback your account.
With the right setup I could collect every thing you type into the device. All devices already come with a built in keylogger. I could get all your passwords, bank account information and passwords, everything. Its just alot of work and the average persons info is not really worth it.
When apps collect data it is mostly mining your email addy. To be sold in lots to different groups.
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I'm a actually mostly concerned about my pictures, videos and such. What about those? I'm guessing it's possible to access them but average app wouldn't be concerned about those right?
charackthe said:
I'm a actually mostly concerned about my pictures, videos and such. What about those? I'm guessing it's possible to access them but average app wouldn't be concerned about those right?
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Can they be gotten? Yes but if they are looking at your pics and videos then they know already what they are looking for and it is a targeted attack. The only time I worry is if I was (I dont) use a cloud storage setup.
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Is GB Whatsapp safe for daily use? Any info mining or something to be concerned about? Is the privacy as "private" as official Whatsapp?
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I didnt check the code but its based on the old whatsapp plus. And so far i havent heard anything bad about it.
And it has a lot of privacy options like hide your online status, hide quitting sticks or anti message revoke feature.
And you can send pictures in original quality, and increase video size sending limit. Huge theming option etc etc, it has a lot of stuff.
Do you know how to get the parallel space function out of a custom rom?
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A question about the safety of oneplus because I want to move from s8 to 6 according to some criteria
I will take a 256 for lack of card sd to enjoy the double sim hoping for a good return on the photo side ....
Also, the security side is important
How is the phone encrypted in case of loss?
Is unlocking easy if loose.... ?
Thank you for your feedback
karmoussa said:
Hello
A question about the safety of oneplus because I want to move from s8 to 6 according to some criteria
I will take a 256 for lack of card sd to enjoy the double sim hoping for a good return on the photo side ....
Also, the security side is important
How is the phone encrypted in case of loss?
Is unlocking easy if loose.... ?
Thank you for your feedback
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The phone is encrypted with the lockscreen security that you choose, for an example Password/pin/pattern if you use oxygenOS. Make sure not to use with unlocked bootloader or with USB debugging on by default and it will be secure enough.
Basically it's standard encryption as most decent android devices. If you are afraid of specific data being compromised I would rather look into encryption those files in containers as VeraCrypt does on PC with a 16-minimum character password, use a hidden container if needed. :good:
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thanks for this answer if I understand correctly it is not nécessaire or recommended to root the phone for it to be secure ....
for veracrypt is it usable directly on Android? I come from a s8 plus with knox on oneplus the fingerprint reader is it secure ?
Usually It's for my bank application and to protect photos with secure case.
If you want security do not root it or unlock bootloader. Use stock updated OS with a strong lockscreen password. But really just a normal setup is good. An average Joe isn't going to break into your phone. if you're not targeted by professionals, normal security is really enough
Hello
Thx for u reply [emoji16]
Oneplus without root.... Even rom custom is secure...?
I understand Now Why your advise to stay with the real os
Thank u very much
Hi. Apologies for the noob question. Is it possible to get banking apps, PayPal etc to work on lineage ? I've installed magisk but don't know how to configure it, even if it will do what I need. Is there a guide somewhere? Thanks.
aneng64 said:
Hi. Apologies for the noob question. Is it possible to get banking apps, PayPal etc to work on lineage ? I've installed magisk but don't know how to configure it, even if it will do what I need. Is there a guide somewhere? Thanks.
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First of all, you will harm the security of your transactions if you wanted to use banking apps on a rooted phone.
Secondly, if such a banking app will work on a phone with root hidden by magisk, I would advise you to give up such an app or bank for the reason I mentioned in the first sentence.
ze7zez said:
First of all, you will harm the security of your transactions if you wanted to use banking apps on a rooted phone.
Secondly, if such a banking app will work on a phone with root hidden by magisk, I would advise you to give up such an app or bank for the reason I mentioned in the first sentence.
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Why.... precisely? Beyond the generic rubber-stamp warning that rooted/custom ROM devices lack the security of stock builds, what data do you have that proves that running banking apps on phones with root/custom ROMs is likely to result in theft of my money?
aneng64 said:
Why.... precisely? Beyond the generic rubber-stamp warning that rooted/custom ROM devices lack the security of stock builds, what data do you have that proves that running banking apps on phones with root/custom ROMs is likely to result in theft of my money?
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Generally speaking, this is how money can be stolen at the very least, but also more, since identity verification can also be done with bank accounts.
Do not combine "rooted" with "custom", as there is no close relationship.
Oh... I see. Thank you. I have no need for root to be honest. I just need to be running Lineage OS. Is that safe to use unrooted?
aneng64 said:
Oh... I see. Thank you. I have no need for root to be honest. I just need to be running Lineage OS. Is that safe to use unrooted?
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Root does not increase the level of safety. It's good for you to use the original LineageOS, if it exists for your phone, and not use TWRP. It's likely that the bank's app won't object.
Just started to using LineageOS official last release from there website ((lineage-19.1-20230302-nightly-pioneer-signed)) . i have there mindtegapps for google integration. the problem is my carrier money transfer app crashs and doesn't starts. before i changed to LineageOS. this app was working on my phone original rom. is there any thing i can do to try to fix it? like crash logs or something i can try? i tried Google Carrier Services and Android System WebView. but nothing changed. it still crashs. is there away i can know which is the last supprted OS for that app? i mean they could just have not updated there app to newest google framework. idk for sure i am just guessing.
the app name " Orange Cash "
PC is rooted by default. People use banking sites and programs on PCs.
Phone will require same steps to prevent money steal.
Generally it is not the rooted phone by itself is source of trouble but user actions.
If user installs shady autocraticker from google play and give permissions to it thief would not need root to steal money.
To send a link by email or messanger and ask to enters credit card information thief does not need root permissions.
Criminals don't expect phone to be rooted. They pray on inattentive users.
It is often possible to have control of your own device with root and use banking.
Some banks allow to use browser instead of app.
Bank usually would call on the phone to accept login and transactions for additional security.
Decision depends on how much money user has on banking account, and how careful he is.
veseihaty said:
PC is rooted by default. (...)
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That's why there are no PC banking applications/programs.
Using banking applications increases the security of transactions, which using only a web browser does not.
Thanks to apps, banks have the ability to continuously improve security on phones that have stopped getting security patches from the phone manufacturer. The use of push technology makes banking apps a cheap token.
The banks' action on this issue is beneficial to customers.
ze7zez said:
Generally speaking, this is how money can be stolen at the very least, but also more, since identity verification can also be done with bank accounts.
Do not combine "rooted" with "custom", as there is no close relationship.
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What are you talking about? Rooting means *the user* has control over the device, vs the manufacturer. Not giving the user root privileges is all about the manufacturing retaining control over what you do with the device, and being able to push its bloatware on you, and nothing to do with security.
HOW exactly does giving the user root access damage security in any way?
I'm gonna go ahead and say that not only having root access does NOT threaten security, but the other way around, it improves it, as I can remove all the unsafe apps the manufacturer bundled with my phone.
You are wrong, you were asked to back up your claims, and you did not actually do so.
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What are you talking about? Rooting means *the user* has control over the device, vs the manufacturer. Not giving the user root privileges is all about the manufacturing retaining control over what you do with the device, and being able to push its bloatware on you, and nothing to do with security.
HOW exactly does giving the user root access damage security in any way?
I'm gonna go ahead and say that not only having root access does NOT threaten security, but the other way around, it improves it, as I can remove all the unsafe apps the manufacturer bundled with my phone.
You are wrong, you were asked to back up your claims, and you did not actually do so.
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Read the "Payment Services Directive 2", analyze, understand and acknowledge.
The XDA forum is for discussion, not for answering every question asked. That's what google is for, for example.
Yes, just use magisk delta.
ze7zez said:
Read the "Payment Services Directive 2", analyze, understand and acknowledge.
The XDA forum is for discussion, not for answering every question asked. That's what google is for, for example.
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Why should I care about a European regulation, considering I'm not in Europe, and my bank is not European?
Regardless, said spec doesn't really give ANY justification either as to *why* a rooted phone would actually be unsafer in any way.
You didn't say "Because a stupid spec says so", you said "because of security concerns", of which there aren't any.