Storage - Samsung Epic 4G Touch

I have a few general and a few specific questions regarding storage:
1. Why did Samsung create 2 directories for internal storage? It has regular internal storage and "SD" storage but both are really internal storage. Why not just make one big partition and SD storage is actually your removable SD card (this is how it was on the OG EV) Someone please explain this to me if you know the answer.
2. On CM9 rom how do you save apps and their data to a external SD card? I'm trying to install a Gameloft game but it's saying I don't have enough space available which I certainly do.
3. On TW based ICS roms how do you save apps w/ data on the actual external sd card? Possibly planning on trying out Rujelus' rom so I'd like to know before hand.

SantinoInc said:
I have a few general and a few specific questions regarding storage:
1. Why did Samsung create 2 directories for internal storage? It has regular internal storage and "SD" storage but both are really internal storage. Why not just make one big partition and SD storage is actually your removable SD card (this is how it was on the OG EV) Someone please explain this to me if you know the answer.
2. On CM9 rom how do you save apps and their data to a external SD card? I'm trying to install a Gameloft game but it's saying I don't have enough space available which I certainly do.
3. On TW based ICS roms how do you save apps w/ data on the actual external sd card? Possibly planning on trying out Rujelus' rom so I'd like to know before hand.
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The OG evo didnt have an emmc partition. It had internal storage dedicated to things like app storage, same as any other phone. You cant mount internal storage to your PC so combining these would be a waste of space.
You might be able to push game data from emmc to the sd card and they might still locate it but I have never tried as I never fill up my emmc, I just keep everything else on the sdcard. But worth a shot.
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barnacles10 said:
The OG evo didnt have an emmc partition. It had internal storage dedicated to things like app storage, same as any other phone. You cant mount internal storage to your PC so combining these would be a waste of space.
You might be able to push game data from emmc to the sd card and they might still locate it but I have never tried as I never fill up my emmc, I just keep everything else on the sdcard. But worth a shot.
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I don't quite get your reply but to make things easier for myself what is the best way to format the SDcard. I am talking about the internal SDcard not my actual removable micro SD card. I know there is an option in storage but I don't know what SD card its referring to.

SantinoInc said:
I don't quite get your reply but to make things easier for myself what is the best way to format the SDcard. I am talking about the internal SDcard not my actual removable micro SD card. I know there is an option in storage but I don't know what SD card its referring to.
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Just remove your external then hit the format option in storage. And if you move back to the fd16 kernel on cm9a3 you will be much happier with the way the storage is handled.
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16GB internal + SD card. How does it work?

how does Apps2SD work when you have internal memory and an SD Card?
If you don't have an SD card, do the apps go to internal Memory.
Just curious how this all works since my current phone doesn't have internal RAM.
What I would like to do is keep Music/videos in one storage and apps in the other.
Since the phone has 16GB storage on it, theres no reason to use App2SD at all. You can run all your apps off the phone's 16GB storage.
The 16GB (actually ~11.5GB) comes up as "USB Storage" in Settings > Storage if thats what your wondering.
An SD card will show up separately under SD Card. Though in a file manager, the 16GB onboard shows up as your storage, the SD card under an "external sd" folder
Treefallingquietly said:
how does Apps2SD work when you have internal memory and an SD Card?
If you don't have an SD card, do the apps go to internal Memory.
Just curious how this all works since my current phone doesn't have internal RAM.
What I would like to do is keep Music/videos in one storage and apps in the other.
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I cant possibly see why anyone would still use Apps2SD with this amount of internal storage. Accessing apps from an external drive is so much slower.
Actually there is only 2 gb of storage for apps. The rest of the internal memory is for media and other files. If you choose to install to SD it will install to external SD card.
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satur9ine said:
Actually there is only 2 gb of storage for apps. The rest of the internal memory is for media and other files. If you choose to install to SD it will install to external SD card.
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Yes there is 2gbs for apps. If u use app2sd u can put the apps on the other internal partition thy has 11gb. Works for me when I tried it.
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strongsteve said:
I cant possibly see why anyone would still use Apps2SD with this amount of internal storage. Accessing apps from an external drive is so much slower.
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This is good to know. So based on all the other comments, Apps go to the internal memory or the extended internal memory and I can keep music/video/books on SD.
thanks all.
Finally got hands on with phone. I noticed the internal memory is listed as USB storage but when I go to app management it doesn't give me the option to move apps out of ram to USB memory, just move to SD card.
What gives?
How do they get away with saying it's 16GB internal when it's actually 11.5GB?
Its pretty amazing how much this phone brings to the table... 1gig ram, 16gig internal storage.. this phone keeps.blowing me away, it really does. I am very impressed with samsung. I would be running roms on my evo and it didn't have enough ram to hold the contents of a web pagr if I multi tasked to xda. I would hold the home button and fast switch to the internet again and the browser would have to load it all over again instead of having enough ram to just keep it there. I'm inlove haha
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How do they get away with saying it's 16GB internal when it's actually 11.5GB?
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I'm not exactly sure how it works but I think 2gig is partuined for apps and some more for the rom right?
This hasn't worked for me. Everytime I try to move apps to internal storage, it says that there is no sd card inserted, and I need to insert one.
Can some suggest a good way to use the memory?
The Incredible had 8GB internal but the phone was setup never to use it, except for pictures. Everything went on the SDcard. I bought the Incredible used and the guy did a full reset from with in Android but when I got it the internal memory was still full of pictures, unfortunately nothing X-rated or blackmailable.
The E4GT is just as *ssbackwards. In / you have an sdcard which is internal storage. In sdcard you have a link for ext_sd and usbStorage. I put my Music in usbStorage and no music app can find it. How crazy is that? I just want one sdcard link that actually goes to the sdcard, that I would use for Media. The internal sdcard memory used for /data and a home folder. Come on Samsung, doesn't that make more sense?
bluefire808 said:
I'm not exactly sure how it works but I think 2gig is partuined for apps and some more for the rom right?
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Ok that makes sense.
gedster314 said:
Can some suggest a good way to use the memory?
The Incredible had 8GB internal but the phone was setup never to use it, except for pictures. Everything went on the SDcard. I bought the Incredible used and the guy did a full reset from with in Android but when I got it the internal memory was still full of pictures, unfortunately nothing X-rated or blackmailable.
The E4GT is just as *ssbackwards. In / you have an sdcard which is internal storage. In sdcard you have a link for ext_sd and usbStorage. I put my Music in usbStorage and no music app can find it. How crazy is that? I just want one sdcard link that actually goes to the sdcard, that I would use for Media. The internal sdcard memory used for /data and a home folder. Come on Samsung, doesn't that make more sense?
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+1. I too would love to know if there's a "best practice" for how to manage the storage memory on the EG4T. Should I just put all media in the onboard USB storage, and then only use my SD card as overflow, or are there certain things that might be better put on the SD card? I'm probably overthinking this, but I'd like to get a handle on this now while the device is new and I don't have much on it yet.
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I have filled the internal sd with some games and have room on external sd how do I transfer aps from internal sd to external sd? I have searched found some things about a apk converter??? I love the 16gb internal but it is not enough for my needs. I did see the adb method to swap internal and external sd cards.
HappyFillmore said:
I have filled the internal sd with some games and have room on external sd how do I transfer aps from internal sd to external sd? I have searched found some things about a apk converter??? I love the 16gb internal but it is not enough for my needs. I did see the adb method to swap internal and external sd cards.
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look into darktremor apps2sd maybe? not claiming it works, just a suggestion
bluefire808 said:
I'm not exactly sure how it works but I think 2gig is partuined for apps and some more for the rom right?
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The rom takes up about 3 gigs (just under) and 2 gigs are partitioned for apps. The rest is partitioned as USB Mass Storage (11.5) So 11.5+2+2.5 = 16, thats a rough estimate of how it breaks down anyways. The OS is usually between 2.5-3 gigs depending on how much the manufacturer adds to it. Stock Android is 2 gigs. Sammy doesnt add major bloat so it comes out to like 2.5 to 2.65 gigs. Motorola however usually comes out to 2.75-3 gigs. Which is why I like Sammy. ICS is about 3 gigs stock though, so remember that when you decide to upgrade to ICS later on. You'll be sacrificing memory on a device that wasnt built for it. Sammy added that extra memory for when ICS does come out, just in case. They were aware of the extra memory in ICS.

As Card Storage

Was wondering if anyone knew why when I boot to recovery all my zips are on internal storage not flash zip from as.card like the vibrant was... Anyone know why cause i'm running out of memory really fast?
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i think you got them mixed up
by default on the T989 in CWR will list the contents of the External SD first
then the 2nd choice is for the Internal SD
so you can put all your ROMs and Backups on the External SD to save Internal SD space
and that aside, there's a 2 GB limitation for the Internal Apps partition which is also separate from the Internal SD partition
i posted a topic about this, some other guy was asking the same thing as you, don't remember the topic name though
... nvm found it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1349648&highlight=storage+space
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Way To Make Virtual SD Card?

Hey guys just got my Galaxy Nexus for Verizon. It obv does not come with an SD card, something I am not accustomed to.
I am wondering if there is some way to maybe partition the internal memory so when doing wipes and installing roms, that partition of memory is not affected.
Thanks for any help!
Doing wipes and rom installs doesn't affect the sdcard, only the internal memory that holds the os/apps gets wiped, so there's no need to partition anything. Its only when you format the sdcard is when you lose everything on it.
peachpuff said:
Doing wipes and rom installs doesn't affect the sdcard, only the internal memory that holds the os/apps gets wiped, so there's no need to partition anything. Its only when you format the sdcard is when you lose everything on it.
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I think he's asking if there is a way to make the internal memory set up to have a portion of it look like an external ad card... ie splitting the partition one says internal memory the second would be fake sdcard memory
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fmartine said:
I think he's asking if there is a way to make the internal memory set up to have a portion of it look like an external ad card... ie splitting the partition one says internal memory the second would be fake sdcard memory
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If virtual sdcard had its own partition it would theoretically then be possible to treat it as a real usb mass storage device like a real sdcard.
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Can A Backup Be Made On The SD Card?

AT&T GS3
I have looked over and over. And I see articles mentioning how to backup your device before Flashing ROMs. They even show how to do it. One of the articles said it could be done and how to do it. I did it and just like the other ways I tried the backup is stored on the Internal Storage.
I have all this room on my SD card available. My internal storage is almost completely filled with me not being able to store games or any apps for that matter on my SD card. Right now I have about 4GB left for my Internal Storage. After the backup I had 1GB left (I deleted the backup on the Internal Storage).
Is everyone else just storing the backup(s) on your Internal Storage? Your computer? SD Card?
davidstech11 said:
AT&T GS3
I have looked over and over. And I see articles mentioning how to backup your device before Flashing ROMs. They even show how to do it. One of the articles said it could be done and how to do it. I did it and just like the other ways I tried the backup is stored on the Internal Storage.
I have all this room on my SD card available. My internal storage is almost completely filled with me not being able to store games or any apps for that matter on my SD card. Right now I have about 4GB left for my Internal Storage. After the backup I had 1GB left (I deleted the backup on the Internal Storage).
Is everyone else just storing the backup(s) on your Internal Storage? Your computer? SD Card?
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Well you can backup to the internal sd card a d once you made a nandroid you can move the folder "clockworkmod" to your external sd card. And once you need to backup just move it back like a storage kind of thing. Tbh I'm not sure if you can make a backup to your external but I would always save it on your computer if anything happened to your phone
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Thanks. I think I am going to go ahead and do it the way you said. Have a good one.
I do it this way but would prefer to backup directly to the sd card.
TWRP can do nandroids on the external sd.
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davidstech11 said:
Thanks. I think I am going to go ahead and do it the way you said. Have a good one.
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Happy to help!
PMentior said:
TWRP can do nandroids on the external sd.
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I had to look up what TWRP was. LOL
Anyway, I looked it over, decided to try it and it worked! I now have my device backed up on the SD card instead of my internal memory.
I want to thank you and the other person for the helpful info. Each of you helped point me in the direction I wanted to go. Have a good one.
My cwm automatically backs up to external sd card. I'm pretty sure most versions do this now but can't verify. Also when I flash zips it will look in external unless I choose install zip from internal sd card
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Doesnt work with the newest version of cwm. It worked with the 5.5.0.4 one though.
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Adoptable Storage HTC 10

So I have read that there is a way to do mixed adoptable storage on Marshmallow. Allowing part of the SD card to be internal and part to be external memory. I followed the steps to obtain this through using ADB but allows get sd corrupt error or does not recognize this format. In either instance I have to format the card and start over.
Has anyone come across this issue and have a solution?
Or does anyone have a suggestion?
I'm trying to use my Sandisk Ultra 128GB in my US unlocked HTC 10 running Venom ROM.
I wouldn't even use Adoptable Storage. There really isn't much benefit to using it in my opinion. Also now you have an SD card that is useless outside the phone. Reformat the sd card.
schmeggy929 said:
I wouldn't even use Adoptable Storage. There really isn't much benefit to using it in my opinion. Also now you have an SD card that is useless outside the phone. Reformat the sd card.
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I know it's pretty useless but I could use a little more storage for all my apps.
I heard you can do a 2nd partition on the SD card and use that partition only as adoptable storage. The rest of the SD would be used like a normal SD card.
schmeggy929 said:
I wouldn't even use Adoptable Storage. There really isn't much benefit to using it in my opinion. Also now you have an SD card that is useless outside the phone. Reformat the sd card.
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I know it's pretty useless but I could use a little more storage for all my apps.
I heard you can do a 2nd partition on the SD card and use that partition only as adoptable storage. The rest of the SD would be used like a normal SD card.
Its useful if you happen to drop your phone with all your naked pics. They cant take out the sd card and access it from their computer.
jmorales30 said:
I know it's pretty useless but I could use a little more storage for all my apps.
I heard you can do a 2nd partition on the SD card and use that partition only as adoptable storage. The rest of the SD would be used like a normal SD card.
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If I am not mistaken that causes more issues then not. The way the adaptable storage is coded it was made to use the whole sdcard. So trying to partition it doesn't really work well.
How do you change Back from one to the other?
How do you convert a "existing" removeable storage SDXC card (with data) to be a "internal" storage card? Or vice versa? I'm looking to change my Samsung Evo 256GB (class 10, U3) card which I initially made "removeable", to become "Internal". I'm not looking for lectures on the "pro and cons", just a step by step process to do this. FYI - I wanted the larger and faster memory for 4K videos. I have no problem with this being a dedicated card to my HTC 10 once completed. Please note that as a removeable storage card, I'm finding duplicate files (internal/removeable). What's up with that?
dpsrams said:
How do you convert a "existing" removeable storage SDXC card (with data) to be a "internal" storage card? Or vice versa? I'm looking to change my Samsung Evo 256GB (class 10, U3) card which I initially made "removeable", to become "Internal". I'm not looking for lectures on the "pro and cons", just a step by step process to do this. FYI - I wanted the larger and faster memory for 4K videos. I have no problem with this being a dedicated card to my HTC 10 once completed. Please note that as a removeable storage card, I'm finding duplicate files (internal/removeable). What's up with that?
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You will have to clear it out as it will format the sdcard. No way around it and it will have to be set as non removable.
zelendel said:
You will have to clear it out as it will format the sdcard. No way around it and it will have to be set as non removable.
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So in either scenario, you'll have to copy the "entire" content of your SDXC card to your computer (or other storage device), and then recopy back once the card is reformatted as the other storage (internal/removeable)? Isn't there a tool or something to help do this? I already have 56GB on the card. Isn't there folders that should only be on "internal" and not on "removeable" (in copying entire card)?
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So in either scenario, you'll have to copy the "entire" content of your SDXC card to your computer (or other storage device), and then recopy back once the card is reformatted as the other storage (internal/removeable)? Isn't there a tool or something to help do this? I already have 56GB on the card.
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Pretty much. Also to be honest it really doesnt make much of a diff. This option was made for devices with low internal memory. You know devices with like 4gb of internal memory where there is no room for apps at all.
A waste of a feature on any real flagship device. This is why most OEM removed or hid the option.
zelendel said:
Pretty much. Also to be honest it really doesnt make much of a diff. This option was made for devices with low internal memory. You know devices with like 4gb of internal memory where there is no room for apps at all.
A waste of a feature on any real flagship device. This is why most OEM removed or hid the option.
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Ok, so are you also saying that I'll not see any performance difference with the Samsung Evo 256GB card (R-95MBS/W-90MBS). I got it specifically to "better" handle 4K videos. I would expect a performance boost having this as "internal" memory. No?
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I wouldn't even use Adoptable Storage. There really isn't much benefit to using it in my opinion. Also now you have an SD card that is useless outside the phone. Reformat the sd card.
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zelendel said:
Pretty much. Also to be honest it really doesnt make much of a diff. This option was made for devices with low internal memory. You know devices with like 4gb of internal memory where there is no room for apps at all.
A waste of a feature on any real flagship device. This is why most OEM removed or hid the option.
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on problem in marshmallow is you cannot move a lot of apps to sd card. switching to adopted storage allows them to use the space. over the years ive started using a lot of apps, that over the years got very large in size. 32gb is barely holding in there now and adopted storage will allow more when without it I would have to start deleting apps.
I didn't run into any adb issues or flashing issues when using it, but at the moment I have it set to removable since I have really nothing new to add.
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Ok, so are you also saying that I'll not see any performance difference with the Samsung Evo 256GB card (R-95MBS/W-90MBS). I got it specifically to "better" handle 4K videos. I would expect a performance boost having this as "internal" memory. No?
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No you wont see an increase at all and maybe a bit of a decrease due to the different ways OEMs added SDcard support (remember google removed support from the OS so all SDcard code for mounting and using are all on the OEM.)
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on problem in marshmallow is you cannot move a lot of apps to sd card. switching to adopted storage allows them to use the space. over the years ive started using a lot of apps, that over the years got very large in size. 32gb is barely holding in there now and adopted storage will allow more when without it I would have to start deleting apps.
I didn't run into any adb issues or flashing issues when using it, but at the moment I have it set to removable since I have really nothing new to add.
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Well that is because of the way android mounts the sdcard. Putting apps on the sdcard is just asking for trouble. I have never had more then a 32gb device for the last few years and never used more then half. I also dont keep anything I dont need on my device. Apps are less then 10.
Facebook app lags or freezes on SD card (Adoptable Storage ). any solution ?

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