We could help keep things clutter free! - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

We could help keep things clutter free! - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have been around here for a little while. Not doing a lot of posting... But doing a LOT of reading. I have learned a BUNCH from the great Devs and others that post helpful ideas and solutions.
AND... I have read a ***LOT *** of worthless stuff. Come on folks... let's try and help each other out here. I think that if we used a little COMMON SENSE... ( I know, it isn't very common ) we could get rid of so much clutter and wasted thread space!
Why in the world do we need to read things like this in a thread:
"GREAT! I am going to dl and flash this tomorrow!" So what!! Why do we know that you are flashing it tomorrow? This helps the Dev or others HOW? Flash it, test it and THEN come back and give good feedback! You want to say THANKS to the DEV?? Hit the THANKS button!
YAY!!! You actually took up a post on the thread saying THIS?? It just doesn't need any more comment.
"Flashing now. It sucks that 'xxx' doesn't work....." Again... do yo think that this is in anyway HELPFUL??
"Looks great" Yes, we can all see that. Hit the THANKS button and save some space.
"Downloading now! I'm actually really excited to test this out." I am so proud! How about telling us about it AFTER you dl it and test it out? I am pretty sure that nobody needs to know that you are GOING to dl it.
I was just looking at one popular thread... The first page had TWO posts on it that were actually RELEVANT to the thread! That was the OP and one at the bottom that had feedback. And it just got WORSE as you went to pages 2 through 4! It is no wonder a Noob doesn't want to read through a thread and gather information. You have to wade through 8 pages of garbage posts in order to get 1 page of good information.
I know we all want to look cool and have posts in these great threads. But come on..... let's try and help each other out here. You have your 10 posts and can post in the Dev section. No need to "fluff" anymore. You made it.
Yep, it does look so cool to have your name ( handle ) show up in the "cool threads". We are all very impressed. ( ok... so I am laughing at this )
One problem I see is it is the biggest "fluff posters" that jump on the Noob that asks a question that was asked 10 pages back. That is because the Noob got tired of reading page after page of useless "OH MAN! This looks SICK" posts!
That is what the "THANKS" button is for! Say thanks and save space! USE IT!
Please, please, please... give us ALL a break. Keep your ego in check. Getting a really high post count isn't nearly as cool as having a high thanks meter.
OK.. off my soapbox. Now, let's see how many posts say "+1" or something like that and whether or not people use the THANKS button.
See ya'
OotR

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This site is a global all age community. We have a dev section that is thoroughly groomed by the mods.
What you see as useless spam I see,as general marketing for our og evos. I'll give you an example:
Person makes a topic bragging about flashing a new Rom, I see that as curiosity look into something new for our og phones.
They have a off topic thread as well.
I think this site is very good and very active.. Being strict or formal just makes me feel like I'm at work and not enjoying this great phone.. If we were strict, would that topic about ropodope being unbanned ever exist? Even this thread you made? The freedom is great I hope it never changes.
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I can agree with that, but only so much. There is a lot of useless stuff that gets posted, and there isn't anything that is more pointless than a "kool, gnna flash this tmrrw" post.
I do agree with the OP, but after countless threads like this - aimed at "bettering" the forum, or not wasting space - it just doesn't seem to help. I get the idea, but at this point it's just "normal." Like it or not. I'm just used to scrolling past it all. Like those posts that are asking the same damn thing page after page. Used to have the desire to respond to those, but not anymore.

thlinx said:
This site is a global all age community. We have a dev section that is thoroughly groomed by the mods.
What you see as useless spam I see,as general marketing for our og evos. I'll give you an example:
Person makes a topic bragging about flashing a new Rom, I see that as curiosity look into something new for our og phones.
They have a off topic thread as well.
I think this site is very good and very active.. Being strict or formal just makes me feel like I'm at work and not enjoying this great phone.. If we were strict, would that topic about ropodope being unbanned ever exist? Even this thread you made? The freedom is great I hope it never changes.
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I am not speaking about a new thread. I am speaking about all the "fluff" posts in a Devs thread about their new ROM. For example, please go and read the first three pages of the CM9 thread that was started here yesterday. Just look at the first page of posts. Only one of them has actually flashed the ROM and is making any comment ABOUT that ROM. They are just taking up space. Unfortunately, this continues on and on in the thread. So instead of coming in after a week and reading eight to ten pages of information, you will have to wade through 40 to 50 pages of "fluff" in order to garner any information.
I don't have a problem with someone feeding their egos by starting a new thread about all the exciting stuff they have done with a ROM. It is great marketing for our Evos. But trashing someone elses thread with worthless stuff isn't the same.
See ya'
OotR

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Yep... it is. Maybe, just maybe... some one will listen to it and we can clean things up.
See ya'
OotR

One can only hope.
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OneoftheRabble said:
I am not speaking about a new thread. I am speaking about all the "fluff" posts in a Devs thread about their new ROM. For example, please go and read the first three pages of the CM9 thread that was started here yesterday. Just look at the first page of posts. Only one of them has actually flashed the ROM and is making any comment ABOUT that ROM. They are just taking up space. Unfortunately, this continues on and on in the thread. So instead of coming in after a week and reading eight to ten pages of information, you will have to wade through 40 to 50 pages of "fluff" in order to garner any information.
I don't have a problem with someone feeding their egos by starting a new thread about all the exciting stuff they have done with a ROM. It is great marketing for our Evos. But trashing someone elses thread with worthless stuff isn't the same.
See ya'
OotR
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Mods do clean up the threads with useless spam especially the dev category. If it gets too off topic Mods clean it or close it

OneoftheRabble said:
I have been around here for a little while. Not doing a lot of posting... But doing a LOT of reading. I have learned a BUNCH from the great Devs and others that post helpful ideas and solutions.
AND... I have read a ***LOT *** of worthless stuff. Come on folks... let's try and help each other out here. I think that if we used a little COMMON SENSE... ( I know, it isn't very common ) we could get rid of so much clutter and wasted thread space!
Why in the world do we need to read things like this in a thread:
"GREAT! I am going to dl and flash this tomorrow!" So what!! Why do we know that you are flashing it tomorrow? This helps the Dev or others HOW? Flash it, test it and THEN come back and give good feedback! You want to say THANKS to the DEV?? Hit the THANKS button!
YAY!!! You actually took up a post on the thread saying THIS?? It just doesn't need any more comment.
"Flashing now. It sucks that 'xxx' doesn't work....." Again... do yo think that this is in anyway HELPFUL??
"Looks great" Yes, we can all see that. Hit the THANKS button and save some space.
"Downloading now! I'm actually really excited to test this out." I am so proud! How about telling us about it AFTER you dl it and test it out? I am pretty sure that nobody needs to know that you are GOING to dl it.
I was just looking at one popular thread... The first page had TWO posts on it that were actually RELEVANT to the thread! That was the OP and one at the bottom that had feedback. And it just got WORSE as you went to pages 2 through 4! It is no wonder a Noob doesn't want to read through a thread and gather information. You have to wade through 8 pages of garbage posts in order to get 1 page of good information.
I know we all want to look cool and have posts in these great threads. But come on..... let's try and help each other out here. You have your 10 posts and can post in the Dev section. No need to "fluff" anymore. You made it.
Yep, it does look so cool to have your name ( handle ) show up in the "cool threads". We are all very impressed. ( ok... so I am laughing at this )
One problem I see is it is the biggest "fluff posters" that jump on the Noob that asks a question that was asked 10 pages back. That is because the Noob got tired of reading page after page of useless "OH MAN! This looks SICK" posts!
That is what the "THANKS" button is for! Say thanks and save space! USE IT!
Please, please, please... give us ALL a break. Keep your ego in check. Getting a really high post count isn't nearly as cool as having a high thanks meter.
OK.. off my soapbox. Now, let's see how many posts say "+1" or something like that and whether or not people use the THANKS button.
See ya'
OotR
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Communist. K, joking aside..If you don't have the time to skim through a few pages, then use google. Most people post irrelevant information just to keep the thread bumped to the top page. It isn't cz they want to look cool. If you want to look cool on a mobile tech site then you are completely oblivious of the life outside the internet. Sure some threads are poorly managed. But that is because mods can't patrol each forum and each post by every member. Ive seen a thread or two about reducing clutter, none prevailed cz it just isn't worth listening too. Overall I agree with you but Google it if you have question. If not, suck it up and read. Worst thing that can happen is a broken phone. Boo hoo, you didn't read.
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Why do I think that you completely missed the point. But that is OK. Everyone has their days.
See ya'
OotR

OneoftheRabble said:
Why do I think that you completely missed the point. But that is OK. Everyone has their days.
See ya'
OotR
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Believe me, I got the point. Just felt like being an ass since my herb diminished. Just one of those days like you said
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I have been rolling through the threads cleaning house

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XDA

Everyone should check this thread, as it seems to be the general feeling I've seen all over xda lately. New members could learn something just by reading what is expected/accepted from xda forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=476671

Completly agree showaco
Let´s hope a lot of members can read that

wow thanks for pointing that out show, only read first page so far as it silly o'clock, the same goes for general questions as the more savy user has to see, repetative bull over and over, maybe it's time that XDA made some kind of enrolement first implented task how to use the search, then how to read more than the one page of a thread that the question asked could be covered 2 ~ 5 pages earlier, oh and make people fill out there signature with device info as i'm sure lots of members think we have the power of mind reading...
Oh and how not to quote the whole first post inc images when replying or asking that silly question.
Good morning all

stylez said:
wow thanks for pointing that out show, only read first page so far as it silly o'clock, the same goes for general questions as the more savy user has to see, repetative bull over and over, maybe it's time that XDA made some kind of enrolement first implented task how to use the search, then how to read more than the one page of a thread that the question asked could be covered 2 ~ 5 pages earlier, oh and make people fill out there signature with device info as i'm sure lots of members think we have the power of mind reading...
Oh and how not to quote the whole first post inc images when replying or asking that silly question.
Good morning all
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Oh, my God, it's that Brit chiming in with his two cents (pence).
I flashed my phone with the stylezrickynrgkavanashowaco 3.14 and now my phone thinks it's a dessert and it's making my hands sticky. WTF?

thousandlegs said:
Oh, my God, it's that Brit chiming in with his two cents (pence).
I flashed my phone with the stylezrickynrgkavanashowaco 3.14 and now my phone thinks it's a dessert and it's making my hands sticky. WTF?
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I never wrote that....
As for the ROM you'll have to speak to show probably one of his morts.. JK

stylez said:
wow thanks for pointing that out show, only read first page so far as it silly o'clock, the same goes for general questions as the more savy user has to see, repetative bull over and over, maybe it's time that XDA made some kind of enrolement first implented task how to use the search, then how to read more than the one page of a thread that the question asked could be covered 2 ~ 5 pages earlier, oh and make people fill out there signature with device info as i'm sure lots of members think we have the power of mind reading...
Oh and how not to quote the whole first post inc images when replying or asking that silly question.
Good morning all
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I agree with this, all I've been seeing lately are pointless threads made by newbs with a 1-10 post record that don't take the time to search and just want the people to give them the answers to all thier issues. I myself have found answers to some of them within a minute with our search feature, that if they would've used the search , they wouldn't needed to post dumb questions that they could've answer themselfs only if they took the time to seach and do a little reading.

thousandlegs said:
Oh, my God, it's that Brit chiming in with his two cents (pence).
I flashed my phone with the stylezrickynrgkavanashowaco 3.14 and now my phone thinks it's a dessert and it's making my hands sticky. WTF?
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stylez said:
I never wrote that....
As for the ROM you'll have to speak to show probably one of his morts.. JK
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Hey now, its not my fault that your phones can't run all the cool stuff and gets sticky when you watch your porn on wmp
roloracer said:
I agree with this, all I've been seeing lately are pointless threads made by newbs with a 1-10 post record that don't take the time to search and just want the people to give them the answers to all thier issues. I myself have found answers to some of them within a minute with our search feature, that if they would've used the search , they wouldn't needed to post dumb questions that they could've answer themselfs only if they took the time to seach and do a little reading.
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Exactly, but looking at response of this thread, I guess the 5 people posting in this thread are the only ones here in this forum that care whats going on. Which means the rest must be the enemy

showaco said:
Hey now, its not my fault that your phones can't run all the cool stuff and gets sticky when you watch your porn on wmp
Exactly, but looking at response of this thread, I guess the 5 people posting in this thread are the only ones here in this forum that care whats going on. Which means the rest must be the enemy
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This thread ftw.
In all seriousness, there is a lot to be learned from the OP link. Flashing roms is easy and people who don't need to be doing it are. I'm no chef and, God forbid, I f-up my phone I know it's my fault.
Everyone should use caution. These roms are not put out to screw up your device but stupidity and an inability to follow directions to a T will. You do take your device into your own hands, literally and figuratively, when you do these kinds of modifications.
The rewards of a tweak gone right can only be equalled by the risks of the same tweak when done by inexperienced users.
HOLY SH**! I didn't mean to write a dissertation there.

showaco said:
Exactly, but looking at response of this thread, I guess the 5 people posting in this thread are the only ones here in this forum that care whats going on. Which means the rest must be the enemy
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"It's all out War"

The first thing I found when I came on tonight was a new thread with a new member on his/her first post asking that just flashed 6.1 and can't add the sounds for text messages. Honestly, somehow they should block new members from creating new threads until they have at least a 50+ post score, that would make them use the SEARCH feature and get involved in ongoing threads instead of creating a thread with a question that it has been answered or its a working issue that other people are discussing on a different thread. I don't want to be a prick to new guys, cause I was there before, but I always took the time to use the most apparently elusive feature that is called SEARCH

roloracer said:
The first thing I found when I came on tonight was a new thread with a new member on his/her first post asking that just flashed 6.1 and can't add the sounds for text messages. Honestly, somehow they should block new members from creating new threads until they have at least a 50+ post score, that would make them use the SEARCH feature and get involved in ongoing threads instead of creating a thread with a question that it has been answered or its a working issue that other people are discussing on a different thread. I don't want to be a prick to new guys, cause I was there before, but I always took the time to use the most apparently elusive feature that is called SEARCH
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yeah I agree (postcount++)
edit: crap I'm only at 14 posts :-\

I don't agree with post count policy, 'cause I've seen some with almost no posts start a thread with some of the greatest/tools software for xda. We probably would have never gotten them if we had limited the authors til 50 posts. Someone had mentioned a rating, where a post/thread could be deleted by a certain number of members voting a rating against it. Sadly, in the end, there is probably nothing we can do to stop the stupid posts and still keep the possibility of a great "noob" post that we need.

showaco said:
I don't agree with post count policy, 'cause I've seen some with almost no posts start a thread with some of the greatest/tools software for xda. We probably would have never gotten them if we had limited the authors til 50 posts. Someone had mentioned a rating, where a post/thread could be deleted by a certain number of members voting a rating against it. Sadly, in the end, there is probably nothing we can do to stop the stupid posts and still keep the possibility of a great "noob" post that we need.
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That's fine, the post count thing was just an idea, we just need to figure out a way to encourage new people to search , and ask questions .

roloracer said:
That's fine, the post count thing was just an idea, we just need to figure out a way to encourage new people to search , and ask questions .
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Naked chicks on the search page... TWEAKED
Oh and another rank "The Cleaners"

stylez said:
Naked chicks on the search page... TWEAKED
Oh and another rank "The Cleaners"
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Yeahh I love naked chicks maybe some boobage on the search feature, (touch here newbes)

roloracer said:
Yeahh I love naked chicks maybe some boobage on the search feature, (touch here newbes)
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I'm pretty sure we'd all still be noobs if there were boobs involved.
Boobs 4 Noobs @ XDA-Developers FTMFW!!!
w00t!

We must've been the only ones that care about this issue cause out of 254 views only 6 people cared enough to post and talk about it. That's sad
Oh well, at least we know some of us care.

roloracer said:
We must've been the only ones that care about this issue cause out of 254 views only 6 people cared enough to post and talk about it. That's sad
Oh well, at least we know some of us care.
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I care, roloracer, I care. *tear*
Seriously though, the board is rife with posts like "I just flashed (xx.xx) and now my keyboard buttons dont work right." or "Can I use this on my i880?" or "I REEELY NEED TO FOR HAVE SOMEONE UNLOCK MY DASHES SO THAT I CAN USE IT ON THE (non t-mobile) NETWORK?"

thousandlegs said:
I care, roloracer, I care. *tear*
Seriously though, the board is rife with posts like "I just flashed (xx.xx) and now my keyboard buttons dont work right." or "Can I use this on my i880?" or "I REEELY NEED TO FOR HAVE SOMEONE UNLOCK MY DASHES SO THAT I CAN USE IT ON THE (non t-mobile) NETWORK?"
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Yes it's a mess of idiosyncratic posts, how lazy can people be???
Oh peeps are just unbelievable like that locking thread i posted i could unlock Dash with a pic of a lighter, well guess what the PM's came a rollin...
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Where is that thread we used to put the numptys?

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PMSL,TISFSMF
(pissed myself laughing, that is some funny sh1t mother ****er)

I don't see what the big deal is.

There have been a few posts about different phones out there in this section. Some people are getting miffed because someone is talking about another phone and not the e4gt. Many threads are getting locked too. One post was about a guy that went to a store and played with a newly released phone. He was just sharing his findings and experience and testing results with the rest of us. Some people acted like they thought he was trying to get people to go to that phone and abandon the e4gt. I think that's nonsense. There are posts about the upcoming galaxy s3, speculations of the next iPhone, the eco 4g lte, and some people's opinions of the galaxy note. As far as I know, these posts haven't been locked yet. This is just people talking about phones. Its people trying to create conversations about phones. If those same posts were moved or posted in the phone section they are talking about, wouldn't that be like preaching to the choir? I'm not telling the mods how to do their jobs either, don't take it that way. I'm just saying some people are getting bent out of shape way to easy when somebody talks about something different in the general section. I know this is xda and not the USA so there isn't freedom of speech per se, but can we lighten up a little and not jump on someone's ass when they talk about something some others don't or god forbid a few people disagree because an all out flame war breaks out. I'm rambling again but I just wanted to speak my thoughts on this (if anyone cares to read it and give their input).

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Esoteric68 said:
Please be sure you recognize humor when it is used. My comments were made in jest as evidenced by the lol at the end.
Jay, the moderator, made the decision to close the thread which is his right.
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I seen that, not sure if the other caught on. I know I thought you were serious.
This is a general section though to talk to your fellow epic owners about things in general. correct me if I'm wrong.....

u just made me think of something that's also kinda been on my mind. have you noticed that most members start out there threads with " im so sorry if this has been posted or im in the wrong section (even if three in the correct one) and i apologize and mods feel free to delete or move and sorry to whoever may have posted this 68 pages back, cause i looked and searched and once again sorry for any inconvenience this thread may have caused". And then they proceed from there. i would love to see a chart of newer and slightly seasoned members heart BPM as there typing there post. Many people are scared ****less to post anything and this trend seems to to have gottin worse in the last half year and looks to keep going at its current pace. just wanted to get my feelings out about this, and this seemed like an ok thread to do it in. goodnight, veritas
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Nothing wrong with comparison threads - hell, it's nice to get some reviews of other handhelds to consider jumping to. Some stuff is blatently generic (service complaints, off topic, app issues) that needs to be posted elsewhere where it gets the proper exposure.

I, myself, even love most of these threads. The problem is if I see it is going to be a "troll thread" or nothing but a big e-penis thread, then yes I will shut it down. I skim through the threads and if I see any hint of hostility, then I'll go ahead and lock it down. I've always said that you can argue to your hearts content, but there is a way of doing it. This is a really tough time for us judging what should be in our section and what shouldn't. Papasmurf and I are doing the best we can. If you feel like we aren't doing a good enough job, or abusing our powers, then please let a senior mod or an administrator know and we will get it worked out.
Like I said, I enjoy reading all the comparisons myself, but it's our job to keep this place tidy and troll free. And honestly, those threads bring out a lot of fanboys and allows doors to be open for a hostile environment.
PS..... If you're Oscar, can I be the Cookie Monster?
---Jay--- From the AOKP powered E4GT

Well I for one love the job you are doing jay. Keep up the good work!
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oscarthegrouch said:
There have been a few posts about different phones out there in this section. Some people are getting miffed because someone is talking about another phone and not the e4gt. Many threads are getting locked too. One post was about a guy that went to a store and played with a newly released phone. He was just sharing his findings and experience and testing results with the rest of us. Some people acted like they thought he was trying to get people to go to that phone and abandon the e4gt. I think that's nonsense. There are posts about the upcoming galaxy s3, speculations of the next iPhone, the eco 4g lte, and some people's opinions of the galaxy note. As far as I know, these posts haven't been locked yet. This is just people talking about phones. Its people trying to create conversations about phones. If those same posts were moved or posted in the phone section they are talking about, wouldn't that be like preaching to the choir? I'm not telling the mods how to do their jobs either, don't take it that way. I'm just saying some people are getting bent out of shape way to easy when somebody talks about something different in the general section. I know this is xda and not the USA so there isn't freedom of speech per se, but can we lighten up a little and not jump on someone's ass when they talk about something some others don't or god forbid a few people disagree because an all out flame war breaks out. I'm rambling again but I just wanted to speak my thoughts on this (if anyone cares to read it and give their input).
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I have no problem with you expressing yourself and think you have valid points but next time can you please do it with at least 2 paragraphs... My A.D.D. kicks in when I have to read too much at one time....
jayharper08 said:
I, myself, even love most of these threads. The problem is if I see it is going to be a "troll thread" or nothing but a big e-penis thread, then yes I will shut it down. I skim through the threads and if I see any hint of hostility, then I'll go ahead and lock it down. I've always said that you can argue to your hearts content, but there is a way of doing it. This is a really tough time for us judging what should be in our section and what shouldn't. Papasmurf and I are doing the best we can. If you feel like we aren't doing a good enough job, or abusing our powers, then please let a senior mod or an administrator know and we will get it worked out.
Like I said, I enjoy reading all the comparisons myself, but it's our job to keep this place tidy and troll free. And honestly, those threads bring out a lot of fanboys and allows doors to be open for a hostile environment.
PS..... If you're Oscar, can I be the Cookie Monster?
---Jay--- From the AOKP powered E4GT
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Hey its your call and I have seen some threads shut down but given our past up in herrrre I can fully understand why...
@ veritasaequita - So many users duplicate threads and do not honestly do the proper searching they should so I understand when someone starts off like that and to me I actually can respect it more... It shows they at least tried

playya said:
@ veritasaequita - So many users duplicate threads and do not honestly do the proper searching they should so I understand when someone starts off like that and to me I actually can respect it more... It shows they at least tried
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I can easily see why this is occurring on xda. I have been modding androids for about 2 years now, but coming from other sites, entry level modders will be easily intimidated by the plethora of information thrown at you in these forums.
Acronyms alone become a fairly steep learning curve.
The wikis, while helpful do contain quite a few outdated links. Many have links to updated information, but the original links in the wikis never get updated. The furious pace of development on this device is awesome, but keeping up with it, even in the wikis is a daunting task for anyone. Coming from the outside(Motorola Backflip modding community), I have been overwhelmed by the amount of choice for modding. Honestly, for noobs, its kinda hard to know what to search FOR, let alone knowing if the information you are looking at is the most current or accurate.
I am not trying to start a flame war here by any means. Once I get my bearings in the E4GT forums, I plan on helping update wikis and the like. But WOW! The backflip had maybe a dozen choices across the 20 websites I used to search. You have 20 choices on page 1 of 40! The modem/kernel combos alone have blown my mind, let alone all the custom mods and I like to think I've got a pretty good handle on tech stuff.
Sorry if I strayed off the original topic there a bit. Just felt it needed to be said. Playya's comment just kinda seemed the best way to get that out there.

playya said:
I have no problem with you expressing yourself and think you have valid points but next time can you please do it with at least 2 paragraphs... My A.D.D. kicks in when I have to read too much at one time.
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I have it too, but I also ramble and go into too much detail.

@jay
I'm not knocking you at all. I've got no beef with any mods in this section. I can't say the same for another section I used to hang out in. That mod was a power tripping a hole that ran things in ways that many thought were counterproductive and very confusing because of lack of logical structure. He also pissed off and disrespected a couple of devs that were highly respected. Like saying Calkulin isn't a dev because he just tweaks stock roms and doesn't compile them and build them from the ground up. BS like that. He was the kind of guy that gave you the impression he looked down on everyone. As an example of somethings he did were these. He grouped a dev section together with one model phone that was on all the major carriers. To a newb or someone was careless, they were flashing the wrong roms on their phones. I don't know if any were bricked but that made a lot up people really mad. He didn't care. He would also move a post he thought didn't belong to a place like general in the main forum, not the phone section you were in. He also accused people of distributing warez when the definition of warez according to the faq, didn't apply to the situation.
Say for example, there's an app that one carrier puts on their phones but other carriers don't for the same model. If you pulled the apk out and posted it, then that was warez. If you downloaded a rom that had that app in it, then extracted it yourself, then that wasn't warez. The app was never a paid app either. It was bloatware. Whatever. I obviously have a lot of bottled up frustration. Sorry.

I have only one comment/question on this (and the plethora of other non-E4GT phone threads) why aren't they put into the Q&A section as usually they are questions seeking answers/opinions?
The general forum is the most trafficked so I suppose that's one reason people choose it but maybe there'd be less objection to the questions about swapping phones if the threads were put in Q&A leaving the general forum to stay focused on our phone.
Just a general question, nothing to get anyone's undies in a twist over.

Like jay was saying, I see people mouthing off, getting hostile and taking stupid comments from other people too seriously WAY too quickly and easily in some threads. Damn, I really have a problem with run on sentences! Lol

Is quoting the op necessary for most of you? Lol. Too much scrolling using xda app.
This thread could become so great but like the previous poster said. Just not possible to stay a good thread for long.
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A random rant regarding search before ask

Sometimes I cannot understand people in any forums. Sure, we all should search first before create another thread. If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up. More people tell search before ask and the original poster stating reasons why he/she couldn't bloating the thread all the time.
I didn't ask any questions and got offended by some one. I am ranting as I always see numerous people always tell any thread starters regarding this.
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People like to act as if they're in charge? No clue lol

Hawon said:
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If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
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Apparently not, because a few minutes later someone starts another new thread with another previously answered question.
Hawon said:
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up.
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Probably to hit the point home.
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Why not just answer the question, true story I went and searched for drivers and stuff my girlfriends touchpad, and the two first search results were topics that only included with a “go search" reply
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And yet you created a meaningless thread that is adding bloat to the nexus forum. The pot calling the kettle black?
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Hawon said:
Sometimes I cannot understand people in any forums. Sure, we all should search first before create another thread. If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up. More people tell search before ask and the original poster stating reasons why he/she couldn't bloating the thread all the time.
I didn't ask any questions and got offended by some one. I am ranting as I always see numerous people always tell any thread starters regarding this.
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at a certain future point, all questions would have been already asked, and every new thread thats started is already duplicated. in that case, all we would have here would be just people searching, and no real time one-on-one help. when this happens, xda will no longer have xda forums, all xda will have is xda frequently asked questions :silly:

There are plenty of threads about this already. Next time search before you post.
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The problem is many people don't have a cpu and rely on their phone to access the forums. Search in Tapatalk is inherently incredibly awful, so some slack should be given at times. That said, if someone has an issue, and has access to a PC, put the phone down :highfive:

What I want to know is, did you search previous rants before posting this one?

adrynalyne said:
What I want to know is, did you search previous rants before posting this one?
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Dont think so.. but can i start one
WHY DO PEOPLE QUOTE THE OP??? Its a given thats who your responding too.. unless of course the OP askes a series of questions
1. what is this
2. how do you do this
3. etc
You get my point !

dr.m0x said:
There are plenty of threads about this already. Next time search before you post.
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brilliant :highfive:

The problem I have with repetitive threads is that often times the question has been fully answered very detailed in a previous thread, and we can't answer it again with such detail and accuracy. So functionally, please refer to the previous thread where the question was answered thoroughly. I can't repeat my answers every time a screen burn in thread is posted. So please see my answer in earlier threads.
We want the community to be helpful and if all screen burn in info stayed in one thread its benefits everyone. Now apply that to most any topic. I just can't repeat my answers each time with the same level of detail and usefulness. Basically, its already been said better, so just refer to that thread.

CMNein said:
The problem is many people don't have a cpu and rely on their phone to access the forums. Search in Tapatalk is inherently incredibly awful, so some slack should be given at times. That said, if someone has an issue, and has access to a PC, put the phone down :highfive:
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So stop using Tapatalk. XDA forums on the Nexus work just fine in a browser. Tapatalk is a terrible application. Don't use terrible applications.

simms22 said:
at a certain future point, all questions would have been already asked, and every new thread thats started is already duplicated. in that case, all we would have here would be just people searching, and no real time one-on-one help. when this happens, xda will no longer have xda forums, all xda will have is xda frequently asked questions :silly:
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i dont think so, there are new devices coming out every month, and new ROMS and firmware updates by Google, so there will always be new developments and questions regarding those

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I think a lot of times people just feel their specific situation is different form others they've found, or they are just very confused and would like a new thread where they can explain their problem and hopefully someone will help them.
That's what I think about support type questions anyway. General knowledge type questions ("WILL WE GET ICS??") do tend to be annoying and could certainly be ignored.
I think if we learned to ignore a lot of those type of questions things would be better. Every type we reply the thread goes right back to the top, getting the attention of someone else who also feels the need to reply with the exact same message as the previous question. A mod could also post a link to the answer and just close the thread.
Other times you find something kind of what you are looking for, but the topic has over 100 pages, it's just honestly too much work trying to go through all of those pages. You read the first couple and then you read the last few and then there is a lot that you could have missed.
Finally a lot of us are just jerks, lets face it if we have the time to complain about someone not searching, we probably have the time to actually guide the person in the right direction. Some of us spend way too much time on these forums complaining about how we don't have time to do this or that.

JaiaV said:
So stop using Tapatalk. XDA forums on the Nexus work just fine in a browser. Tapatalk is a terrible application. Don't use terrible applications.
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I have a weakness for terrible things.
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First of all, I very rarely tend to just say something like "that was posted before, just search". I will usually say something like "if you would have searched, you would have found this link..."
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Other times you find something kind of what you are looking for, but the topic has over 100 pages, it's just honestly too much work trying to go through all of those pages. You read the first couple and then you read the last few and then there is a lot that you could have missed.
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That's all fine. But. There are those of us who actually did go through the entire thread because:
a) we knew that we are not special, and chances are if we were having an issue, someone else probably had it before us and someone posted the solution for it.
b) we are here because we enjoy learning about our devices and our OS's and, given that this is XDA-developers, not XDA-support-my-non-searching-ass, we kinda expect others to do the same.
tsnstuff said:
Finally a lot of us are just jerks, lets face it if we have the time to complain about someone not searching, we probably have the time to actually guide the person in the right direction. Some of us spend way too much time on these forums complaining about how we don't have time to do this or that.
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It's not about not having enough time: it's about coming to the realization that if you can search and post the answer, the person asking the question can easily to the same. It would probably help to phrase a question more like "i was looking for an answer for issue X, and I came up with Y. I am not sure if it fully applies in my situation. Any thoughts?" instead of "I haz issue X. Puuleez help!"

efrant said:
First of all, I very rarely tend to just say something like "that was posted before, just search". I will usually say something like "if you would have searched, you would have found this link..."
That's all fine. But. There are those of us who actually did go through the entire thread because:
a) we knew that we are not special, and chances are if we were having an issue, someone else probably had it before us and someone posted the solution for it.
b) we are here because we enjoy learning about our devices and our OS's and, given that this is XDA-developers, not XDA-support-my-non-searching-ass, we kinda expect others to do the same.
It's not about not having enough time: it's about coming to the realization that if you can search and post the answer, the person asking the question can easily to the same. It would probably help to phrase a question more like "i was looking for an answer for issue X, and I came up with Y. I am not sure if it fully applies in my situation. Any thoughts?" instead of "I haz issue X. Puuleez help!"
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My knowledge of search improved my vocabulary and reading skills.
Thanks XDA!!!:laugh:

IINexusII said:
i dont think so, there are new devices coming out every month, and new ROMS and firmware updates by Google, so there will always be new developments and questions regarding those
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lol, i know. it was just sarcasm. but really, i dont mind the repetitive threads. people are people, some degree of laziness runs in all our genes. anyways, xda search isnt the best to find stuff. but, that said, google search works wonderfully. just about any kind of information can be found using google and the right search terms. personally, id rather find what information i need by myself. unfortunately, there are those people that like being told how and what to do, but its a good thing that a large number of those people use the iphone :victory:

Excuse me while I rant for a second.....

I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness.......... how about we just say this......................
Nothing
FAQ per user request.
1.''Can I respond to the OP and thank him repeatedly?''
I believe so.
2.''Is a full wipe required or can I just dirty flash?''
YEP!!
3. ''Is this a ROM?''
Nope
4.''Is the OP a DEV?''
Not yet.

Well said
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Not everybody knows how disgusted you guys are at every question. Nothing wrong with helping ... most people are new so forgive them. The truth is solutions for problems change very often even within the same thread.
Every rom has unique solutions for the same problems.
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i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.

ex-28 said:
i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.
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Please don't get me wrong guys......... I always help when I can, I think I got a pretty decent ''Thank you'' count going. IDK, I'm usually always mobile. I'm just pointing out the frustrating parts of a thread. I would just like to see some guys move on instead of lashing out if there frustrated at seeing a question asked repeatedly.
It just adds to the flaming.

Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.

Most problems would be fixed if the free XDA app had a search option. Just saying. Plus the search doesn't work with the browser.
But I do completely get what the OP is saying. But then again patience and understanding also goes a long way.
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Okay I don't normally speak on these types of topics but now I will.
I completely agree and understand. Noobs will be noobs. Heck I am still one.
I started off with a Samsung Infuse, read and read and read and read and READ to learn how to root the dang thing and keep it from bricking. I never flashed something without reading. And I never flashed as soon as something got released!!! Maybe it's just commonsense, or maybe it's the fact that I am intuitive and have been ever since the age of 8 when I built my first PC from scratch. But a lot of it has to do with READING!!! Noobs don't like to READ because they want to know and they want to know NOW. That's the major problem.
I see people saying things about Task and how he is rude. Honestly, I don't think he is because it clearly states in his OP follow the instructions carefully and READ.
Just my $2. I'm not *****in'!

How do i root my GS3?
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How do i root my GS3?
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I sincerely hope this is a joke.....
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Of course...
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
Nothing
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Good post caspersfi.
I agree with just about all of it...... but I personally when someone asks a question I just answer in polite words, even if its already posted. Some people just don't get and need to be pretty much spoon fed. I work at a front desk of a pet hospital and I get some pretty dumb questions from the public since its in a Petsmart. They look for you as the experts and as a resource. They same can be looked at like xda. I was raised in a family to help people no matter the situation before yourself. People honestly need to respect each other and flaming other people wouldnt happen.
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
Nothing
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Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.

There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.

Senor Forum said:
There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.
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Don't be so sure about that. I have recently patented a DEVICE and APPARATUS for PUNCHING PEOPLE over the INTERNET
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reNeglect said:
Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.
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Well, similarly to open-source software, it's a largely thankless job done for fun, and NOT the expectation of $$$, or accolades...

Exactly this.
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ikjadoon said:
Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.
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^ THIS
I really think they should update the first post on a thread, so that a particular question that keep repeatedly asked doesn't need to be asked again. Personally, if I had a question, I check the thread's first page to see if they had some sort of FAQs up there for questions that are FREQUENTLY asked.
If not, I resort to searching. But sometimes, your question is a bit general and you can't find any useful information via search. Even via Google. Sometimes, even if you try to be specific with search, you can't nail down the solution of the problem. Sometimes you just find someone asking the same question and was left unanswered because "this noob didn't do a search. So no we won't answer his question"
But then again, if a question is repeatedly asked, the search should yield a good answer. But there's just those odd moments where search isn't helpful at all and you try asking.
I think it would be best if a) there's a FAQs (I've actually seen a few threads on other sections of XDA with a separate thread for asking questions), or b) just answer the damn question, and remind them to use search or something... Instead of resorting to name calling and flaming.
Sometimes, I just avoid posting on XDA because I feel some people feel they're the elite and that instead of teaching the new people how to learn they just scoff them off telling them to learn on their own. I started XDA years back, and while I mostly did my learning on my own, I had a couple of people help me pointing me to things and all that. But now days, XDA is just full of rowdy people trying to make themselves special.
EDIT: And all of those efforts in flaming could have just been put to good use. So what did you end up accomplishing in name calling and flaming? Nothing.
Which is as much as you could accomplish if you ignored the person and did nothing. So if you ain't helping just ugnore becuase it doesn't accomplish anything to call out someone, call them names, and flame them.

I'll admit to being both a noob and an "a-hole". The first topic I created on XDA was in the the developement forum (check my profile to verify)! Oh boy, did I get whipped for that. I took it like a man, didn't argue and I learned real fast. Even since then, I learned to read, search, do whatever it takes to solve my own issues.
Now the A-hole part of me showed in the Atrix forum. Some guy posted a question which has been posted to the bone a million times and got into an argument with him, telling to search, read, ect. Was it justified? Maybe. Was my argument with him going to stop other noobs from posting repeated questions? No. I don't know on that day, I decided I had enough and beefed with him. Maybe because he didn't put in enough effort look around posting a question when it's been asked a million times. I usually just ignore stuff like that but it really got to me when I saw that question.
We all like to think that our question(s) has never been asked before so we come here and post but that's usually never the case is it? That's just human nature. What's more of a satisifying feeling? Finding your own solution via searching, reading, ect. or asking a question and getting a direct, personal answer? Wait don't answer that.
I compare the forums to a classroom that doesn't has a beginning or an ending semester. Students constantly coming and going while the teacher has to start his lesson over and over and over. Students raising their hands and asking questions about chapter 1 while the students who been there for a while are annoyed because they're on chapter 8.and have to wait for the teacher to stop and answer a previously asked question.
That's the end of my rant. I got my scars from my mistakes. Learn from me. They're not worth showing off.

At the end of the day, who really cares? Someone asked a question, maybe it was answered already, who freakin cares? No one got hurt.
The person asking meant to seek information. The person replying set out to inflame and incite. Who is the real problem?
Do you ever consider the experience a new user has on these forums?
Subjected to elitist snobs and morons who can't wait to bash someone. If they are new, they don't understand. But they will realize just what kind of arrogant, socially inept people some members can be. And quickly.
Nothing says "welcome" like a good, old fashioned condescending person.
If you don't answer people like that in real life, maybe you shouldn't on the internet either.
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I have stopped posting as well from some time, as I get most my answers by just reading OP and other posts. I disagree with OP here to some extent. The main problem is not the noobs but the self proclaimed experts. It take same amount of time and energy to answer someone's question and bashing them. I do agree that if you don't know the answer just ignore them, but saying read read instead of answering them is just starting a new war. When I was in Captivate forums, I knew few people who answered same questions everyday and eventually made a general thread to help new people. Either block noobs from this forum or stop starting these kind of thread to get attention.
I don't think anyone just post a question without researching, as most of the members now know how badly they get bashed for it. So if someone is asking a sincere question, I think they should be answered or ignored. These forums are to help each other learn new things, no one came here as expert (except few).
Whatever happened to that saying: No question is a stupid question...

Posting Etiquette - Don't Anger a Developer

IF YOU WERE GIVEN A LINK TO THIS THREAD BY ANOTHER MEMBER OF XDA IT'S PROBABLY FOR A GOOD REASON!
PLEASE HEED THE WARNING, TAKE A LITTLE LESSON IN POSTING ETIQUETTE, BEFORE YOU ARE REPORTED TO A MOD, IF THAT HAS NOT ALREADY HAPPENED.
Far too often people post in threads without thinking of the developers feelings and it's becoming a big problem!
Think of it this way!
You just spent countless hours working building your new custom car.
Now your such a nice guy you let people take it for a drive and check it out for FREE!
How would feel if they come back and most LOVE IT and appreciate the work you've done but,,
some say..
"It uses too much gas"
"It's way too slow"
"It hesitates when I tow a tractor trailer"
"I Hate the colors"
If you were the developer sharing your hard work for free and reading comments like that, you would think, Dam What a ^%*&%^*& *&^*&^, why am letting people trash my hard work!?! Heck with this, I don't need this!
THINK A LITTLE BEFORE POSTING!!
In stead of saying
"This ROM sucks the life out of my battery"
Try
"How is everyone's battery life on this? I'm getting 10 hours with 2 hours screen on time. This is my 3rd battery cycle, I'm on WIFI 90% of the time. I installed BetterBattery Stats and it shows xxx. Any recommendations / ideas? Also did A Clean with a full wipe, did not flash and mods / kernels" Even better add a Logcat, you may find in the logcat that X app is checking your location every 2 seconds and shows up 1000 times in the log.
In stead of saying
"This sucks! Every time I open the camera it crashes"
Try
"Is anyone else having this problem? For some reason every time I open the camera app it crashes. I tried redownloading the ROM, double checked the MD5, did a clean install, full wipe, and let it sit for 10 min after 1st boot then rebooted. Attached is the Logcat I grabbed using CatLog from the play store"
Look at that! That way your not assuming that the developer messed up! And you may actually be being helpful by providing a Logcat so he can actually look into the problem.
Making statements without providing information is,, well rude and not helpful to anyone!
And worst of all, it can discourage or drive the Developers away!
If you were smart enough to be able to make your own ROM - Kernel you would not need the Developers help, and could fix it yourself!
Most of us do not have the time and or brains to be a developer!
So PLEASE show some respect to the Developers that are kind enough to share their work with us for FREE!
Hit their Thanks Button often, and consider buying them a Coke or Redbull aka Donate :highfive:
Same basic principal goes for when you reply to someone!
IMO if the question has already been asked and answered, quote the last answer. Or the part of the OP with the answer.
Better yet quote a few of the last times the question was answered and show that you can use the search feature.
To me, if you can show me the question has been answered 3 times already, I feel like a fool with egg on my face and will STFU.
Smart comments and rude answers, even just saying, use search, usually just leads to more useless comments and bickering for all of us to read through!
If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say anything! Just move on
Next time you see someone posting like a jerk, try to provide a nice helpful answer and direct them to this post for a little lesson and consider reporting the post!! See next post for more info!
Please get with the program or expect to be reported and possibly banned for a period!
This includes asking or hinting at an ETA! Don't do it!
On that note here are a few words form Woody about reporting trouble makers
Woody said:
Use your best judgment. We don't need gestapo type reporting, but you get the idea of what is needed.
It would behoove (yes I said behoove) people to maybe look at how a report is done. My buddy TonyStark had put a thread together a while ago on how to use the Report function. {Guide} Getting a Moderators help. I also have it linked in my signature, as well. It can be intimidating a bit when you hit that button. Hopefully this will help.
One thing that I might add regarding the reluctance to report you posted above. All reports are anonymous. Only people who know the names are us (Mods) and the User who reported it. Not the person who is being reported (unless you, yourself post in the thread "Reported")
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Now at this point, I think that we have strayed from what this thread is trying to accomplish. Posting with Proper Etiquette. Let's turn it back to that, so that when people who are linked back here will understand why. You can always shoot me a PM if you have a question or anything like that.
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And for crying out loud please learn to Logcat! There are apps for that that can make it easy.
Plus in my never to be humble opinion, if you can't logcat, you should not be flashing anything!
Also read this!
And I recommend reading the following from Recognized Contributor TonyStark
So you are tired of being called a noob - I want to shake the noob status
First and most important, read this New User Guides

Q: How do I contact a forum Moderator for -fill in the blank- on a problem with -fill in the blank-
I have been on XDA for years and have always found these steps to be the best. Not only for you but for the process as well. Please remember to be patient. If you do not receive a message (shown in 4) within 5 days, please re-post.
1) In the upper right hand corner OF EVERY POST you will find this.Click on the caution sign.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
and now in 2013 format
2) Please fill the pertinent information into this screen. PLEASE do not make it personal or use colorful language. Just be brief and to the point
3) You need to make a selection in the drop down. PLEASE do not be overzealous in choosing a topic. In 95% of cases you will only need to choose Other - Non-urgent
4) You will receive a message
In most cases this will be followed by a resolution.
Hope this helps

Re: Posting Ediquette - Don't Anger a Developer
A lot of people need this
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Maybe a sticky is needed here.

Jelly419 said:
Praise!
Cool story, bro!
They call me "Jelly" cuz jam don't shake like this!
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ktetreault14 said:
A lot of people need this
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Hopefully the people that need it, actually read it!
Help out and stick this thread in your sig, or direct the people who need it here!
I'm beyond tired of seeing good developers leaving or getting pissed off by posts from people who post without thinking 1st!

Seriously, that's some kindergarten level basics...

CitrixLemon said:
Seriously, that's some kindergarten level basics...
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You would think so!
But sadly we have all seen them and way too often.
I think some people just forget themselves sometimes, at least I would like to think not that many, are that rude, all the time.

I agree with what the OP is saying, however Devs also need to keep in mind there are many "not so savvy" Android users who wouldn't know how to run a logcat, even though they may have learned some of the basics of flashing. I think sometimes (and I'm not making excuses) some Devs are a little hot-headed and need to remember that there are always idiots out there who can ruin it for the rest of us.
Easy to just add the offending user to the ignore list.. instead of screwing over the people who are treating the Dev with respect.. just saying..
But yes, I still agree with the OP.

sswb27 said:
Maybe a sticky is needed here.
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Not likely BUT this does give me an idea about something a little more (un)official that we could post and stick. I'm going to write something up and pitch it to the team and see what they think and refer them back to this thread.
I like the idea, but it has to be as general and vanilla as possible and cannot be black and white, otherwise it won't work.
jangst123 said:
You would think so!
But sadly we have all seen them and way too often.
I think some people just forget themselves sometimes, at least I would like to think not that many, are that rude, all the time.
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You have no idea my man. No idea. You should see some of the stuff we deal with.
ingenious247 said:
I agree with what the OP is saying, however Devs also need to keep in mind there are many "not so savvy" Android users who wouldn't know how to run a logcat, even though they may have learned some of the basics of flashing. I think sometimes (and I'm not making excuses) some Devs are a little hot-headed and need to remember that there are always idiots out there who can ruin it for the rest of us.
Easy to just add the offending user to the ignore list.. instead of screwing over the people who are treating the Dev with respect.. just saying..
But yes, I still agree with the OP.
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I like everything about this post. Some people need to be handheld just a bit longer so they can take their first steps. It is Pete and Re-Pete that are the problems.
In the old days, it was Logcat or GTFO. Then the stone got ground down a bit, then a bit more and now we are here. We are trying to make things more Developer oriented and to make it so that Devs are more cherished than they are now, but it all stems from how to get Users to realize this. Hopefully some guidelines and better n-etiquette will help to usher us back to those days.
I've known jangst123 for a long time, so I know that he is very passionate about this and wants the threads to be filled with awesome ROMs but also the community at-large to be a great place to get help, cool mods or bleeding edge development. I think that we all really want that, right? So let's make it happen.

Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
Really this falls back on the xda community as a whole, I know I've posted things before that could have been worded in a way that would have better served the user and the community, instead of my own cynicism or ego.. none of us are perfect, that includes the Devs.

The best way I see it, now that I've been around the block. You can't take the internet serious anymore. It's difficult to always convey someones personality over text, without emoticons and "lol's" and ":good:" or ":highfive:"... I'm a prime example of that. I try to say lol, or put a winky face or what have you, but I try and get to the point and tell them its a few pages back... orrr I give them 10 links and tell it 'em took me 5 minutes to do that. I'm no search wizard or anything like that, I just use keywords and then read through things. The users that want things handed to them on a gold platter are a large issue at hand. I would go as far to say as 75% of the questions asked in a dev thread, are in the OP in one way shape or form. I have a q&a thread for Cm10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813456 with 10.1 info (which is almost of use to all 4.2 roms out there)... I have a resource guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088179 Which I'm still ironing things out (should do that today actually, haha) and I have a q&a for Illusion 4.2 rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2106546 which for the time being pertained to AOKP and Vanilla Rootbox for the most part. People have looked and looked over them for the most part and still ask the most redundant questions in the dev threads, and open new threads with stuff that I've covered already. If it's something I haven't covered, I answer them respectfully almost every time, and/or point them to a thread that will help them. This needs to be done more often to stop the unnecessary posts, which turn into bashing threads, which turn into more work for the mods. I agree with the OP, some devs will take things to heart and walk away and we are down more person or team that will help us with our phone "needs" ... Devs and themers and such just have to look at it this way... "You can't please them all"-some wise man... And I think I ranted long enough. LUNCH TIME!!!

Re: Posting Ediquette - Don't Anger a Developer
We are doing way better than what was done on the t989 Hercules forums. We should keep it that way. At least til there is a real s4
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mt3g said:
The best way I see it, now that I've been around the block. You can't take the internet serious anymore.
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This pretty much sums up all these, in my opinion, useless threads/posts. In one concise sentence.
Guys, we don't need a thread for common sense. People who lack common sense won't have sense enough to read the thread. In other words, you are preaching to the choir. This solves nothing.
Enforce the current forum rules. Ban, or at the very least, suspend idiots. Need more moderators, we don't have anywhere near the amount we need. Two to three moderators for each device forum. None of this would have happened. Rules aren't enforced, plain and simple. Rules that are not enforced will be ignored. Do you drive the speed limit? No. Why? Because the rule isn't enforced.

Re: Posting Ediquette - Don't Anger a Developer
Woody said:
Not likely BUT this does give me an idea about something a little more (un)official that we could post and stick. I'm going to write something up and pitch it to the team and see what they think and refer them back to this thread.
I like the idea, but it has to be as general and vanilla as possible and cannot be black and white, otherwise it won't work.
You have no idea my man. No idea. You should see some of the stuff we deal with.
I like everything about this post. Some people need to be handheld just a bit longer so they can take their first steps. It is Pete and Re-Pete that are the problems.
In the old days, it was Logcat or GTFO. Then the stone got ground down a bit, then a bit more and now we are here. We are trying to make things more Developer oriented and to make it so that Devs are more cherished than they are now, but it all stems from how to get Users to realize this. Hopefully some guidelines and better n-etiquette will help to usher us back to those days.
I've known jangst123 for a long time, so I know that he is very passionate about this and wants the threads to be filled with awesome ROMs but also the community at-large to be a great place to get help, cool mods or bleeding edge development. I think that we all really want that, right? So let's make it happen.
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Logcat or GTFO,, o the good old days!
I would love to see a thumbs up and thumbs down on each and every post.
And if your thumbs down is lower or than thumbs up, you can no longer post in development threads.
This would allow the community to police the threads and force people to think twice before posting.
But that is probably too complicated of a system change.
SO
Would it be possible to keep a ranking of sorts?
Something that checks posts to thanks count.
And you must have at least 1 thank for every 3 posts, to post in in anything other than general. Maybe even include the number of thanks given out in the equation.
Something needs to change.
Repeated questions are completely different than people being rude jerks.
Most of the repeated questions are a bit different than being rude. Repeated questions are probably best answered by quoting the last time it was answered. That way everyone can see it's been answered. And the poster should feel the egg on their face. Or by quoting part of the OP when needed.
I for one am willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know how I can help.
I don't have all that much spare time, I have a business to run, so I try to contribute and encourage developers by donating phones and cash to them. On the occasion I have some spare time and I come here to get away and get my crack flash on.
To see Developers get discouraged by rude posts, drives me crazy!
For now I'm pming offenders and kindly suggesting they read this thread.
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Re: Posting Ediquette - Don't Anger a Developer
Meh.... The rude and ignorant on tech forums of today are just the newest generation of AOL "me too"ers from yester-year. You couldn't take them seriously either.
I for one am grateful for those that pave the way in new arenas for me.
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ingenious247 said:
Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
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Agreed. I absolutely despise people who post, "LEARN 2 USE SEARCH/GOOGLE" instead of simply providing whatever link or help the person is looking for, especially when it's a simple thing like how to get root.

ingenious247 said:
Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
Really this falls back on the xda community as a whole, I know I've posted things before that could have been worded in a way that would have better served the user and the community, instead of my own cynicism or ego.. none of us are perfect, that includes the Devs.
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Your absolutely correct!
Responding in that way often starts a flame war.
If ya ain't got nothing nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
Quote the last correct answer to the question, or answer the question politely and move on.
Don't stir the pot.
Anything else often leads to 10 or more useless posts to read through.
I for one often don't have the time to read though all the extra crap that gets posted every time someone gets their feelings hurt.
I did not create this tread to address all the issues on XDA.
I created it to have a thread to point to when I come across the poster that needs a lesson in Posting Etiquette.
And hoping in doing so it would not anger the poster but help educate them a little.
So I would appreciate it if we can keep the discussion to, Posting Etiquette and how to nicely respond to those that need a lesson.
I will edit the OP later to include response etiquette.
lol,, just realized in my haste I spelled Etiquette - Ediquette :silly:

unfortunately, stuff like this happens in almost every other device forum across XDA. it's stuff like this that makes us stop wanting to dev, stuff like this can even tear a development Team apart, as it almost did with Team Inferno. those who came from the MyTouch 4G know what i'm talking about. Team Inferno faced many haters, people who just wanted to do everything in their will to destroy a newborn team. it takes a bunch of endurance and encouragement, and i thank all those who supported Team Inferno, those who could see potential in a Team of noobs like us. we all start somewhere, nobody wakes up one day and decides "i'm going to be a dev" and by nightfall pushes out the best ROM/mod/kernel ever seen.
end users need to realize that we developers are not here to serve you. you don't pay us for the stuff we push out. we do it in our own free time, because we want to, we have an interest and a hobby.
to developers: don't get butthurt because of one or a couple of know-it-alls, there are people out there that will try to push you down. if you get pushed down by them, you're the only one hurt, they may even laugh at you. don't fall into their trap! because at the end of the day, you're not developing for others, you're developing because you want to, it's your hobby, and you want to share your work with others.
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read the whole thing you lazy butt.

"Stop biting the hand that feeds you." I agree with the OP 100000%. Devs are intelligent people. They don't need to stoop to bull****.
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saranhai said:
unfortunately, stuff like this happens in almost every other device forum across XDA. it's stuff like this that makes us stop wanting to dev, stuff like this can even tear a development Team apart, as it almost did with Team Inferno. those who came from the MyTouch 4G know what i'm talking about. Team Inferno faced many haters, people who just wanted to do everything in their will to destroy a newborn team. it takes a bunch of endurance and encouragement, and i thank all those who supported Team Inferno, those who could see potential in a Team of noobs like us. we all start somewhere, nobody wakes up one day and decides "i'm going to be a dev" and by nightfall pushes out the best ROM/mod/kernel ever seen.
end users need to realize that we developers are not here to serve you. you don't pay us for the stuff we push out. we do it in our own free time, because we want to, we have an interest and a hobby.
to developers: don't get butthurt because of one or a couple of know-it-alls, there are people out there that will try to push you down. if you get pushed down by them, you're the only one hurt, they may even laugh at you. don't fall into their trap! because at the end of the day, you're not developing for others, you're developing because you want to, it's your hobby, and you want to share your work with others.
TL;DR?
read the whole thing you lazy butt.
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Also, thank you for your work on XDA.
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jangst123 said:
Logcat or GTFO,, o the good old days!
I would love to see a thumbs up and thumbs down on each and every post.
And if your thumbs down is lower or than thumbs up, you can no longer post in development threads.
This would allow the community to police the threads and force people to think twice before posting.
But that is probably too complicated of a system change.
SO
Would it be possible to keep a ranking of sorts?
Something that checks posts to thanks count.
And you must have at least 1 thank for every 3 posts, to post in in anything other than general. Maybe even include the number of thanks given out in the equation.
Something needs to change.
Repeated questions are completely different than people being rude jerks.
Most of the repeated questions are a bit different than being rude. Repeated questions are probably best answered by quoting the last time it was answered. That way everyone can see it's been answered. And the poster should feel the egg on their face. Or by quoting part of the OP when needed.
I for one am willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know how I can help.
I don't have all that much spare time, I have a business to run, so I try to contribute and encourage developers by donating phones and cash to them. On the occasion I have some spare time and I come here to get away and get my crack flash on.
To see Developers get discouraged by rude posts, drives me crazy!
For now I'm pming offenders and kindly suggesting they read this thread.
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+1 Logcat or GTFO days! Those were the days!
Adding a link to my sig! Hopefully someone will read it, but I doubt the jerks that cause the problems will take the time to read it. They already know it all.
Now that I think about it, I don't post that often to begin with, so i doubt anyone will see mys sig, but i will give it a try.
I like the,, BAM Hammer idea, lol
It would be great if we could hit the thumbs down on their post and somehow vote them off the island!

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