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I bought a car cahrger that said it worked for HTC evo on Amazon.com and it worked fine. But I bought a wall charger, said it worked for evo but it didn't charge it, it had an led light said it was on but didn't work. Then I decided to buy a difernt one that didn't work either. So I had to come up with some more cash and drive to bestbuy and told them I will buy it if it charges my phone right so they took it out of the box and worked fine. So if you buy online do your research first.
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cool story bro
Never buy anything more expensive than 20 bucks at Besy buy... Worst customer service/return policy/warranty service EVER. i wont buy there again even with deceptively low prices... spent too much in gas going back and forth , time in argueing with them, and not having my laptop, and didnt get anything out of it except a wiped hard drive, lost charger, accessories, restore CD's etc... AND IT WAS A MOTHERBOARD PROBLEM!!! the idiots wiped the OS because it was blue-screening -.-... so ya... avoid bestbuy if you can.
As for chargers, i did basically the same thing... I can charge it with the wall charger IF I turn off wifi and everything else, and make sure that nothing is running but it is really slow.. the car charger will fully charge it in <30 minutes.
when I buy a brand new product WITH WARRANTY I expect to get a free repair/replacement if the product is faulty. thats kinda how a warranty works. I am slightly put off that you chose to take my criticism of Best Buy personally. Maybe you are one of the best workers that Best Buy employs; That still doesn't change the fact that in this area at least (and I've heard similar stories from many MANY people, not just in this area) at this store that I went to, the employees, managers, Geek Squad staff, etc. were all either disrespectful, aloof, or incompetent. Its my choice to deal with my experience with BB and even to share it with others. Go flame war somewhere else. its really immature.
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Never buy anything more expensive than 20 bucks at Besy buy...
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Do they sell anything for less than $20?
Well, besides the candy bars at the front.
A $30.00 charger at Best Buy costs $5.00 on Amazon and $10.00 in Walmart. There is no best buy at Best Buy. Everything is jacked up enormously. nd the best buy employee on this form thats mother ****ing their customers, probably not going to help.
I did not by any stretch plan on turning this thread into a "LETS FLAME BEST BUY" thread... If we want that, then have a Mod rename it and throw it into an off-topic thread. I did notice however that the rude BB employee only has one post and found that amusing...
which is worse? best buy or radioshack?
The title should be changed to "be careful which thread you open up." Garbage.
Just make sure you look at the amperage rating. If it's low (less than 750ma) you will probably not get a decent charge out of it, regardless of the light coming on. I always try to get 2 amp chargers.
BTW not all Best Buy employees are tools, but the bad ones sometimes make me feel ashamed for working here.
Everyone needs to stop hating on Best Buy.
I worked at Radioshack for like..3 months, and it was the worst experience for me. Customers *****ing because i told them not to buy something, and it doesn't work how they want it to. They make their money off of accessories to phones, you can think of it like the movies. Theaters don't make any money off of the tickets, they make money off concessions..which is why they're jacked up. This is why i do all my shopping online. I just bought a ipod shuffle cord off ebay for 3$ shipped, or i can go to walmart and pay 20$ for the same exact thing. You have more mouths to feed when running a store in real life than you do online.
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I did notice however that the rude BB employee only has one post and found that amusing...
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Exactly why I posted here giving my two cents on Best Buy and his rude attitude, but it got deleted by the mods because you can't be an asshole to an asshole.
i have used blackberry chargers since day 1. always worked well for me,
Most Best Buy employees I have worked with have been wonderful. It is not the employees fault or any customer service issue that has driven me away. It is the shear markups and unreasonable costs that has put me off.
Simple example $24.95 for a simple audio cable to hook my wifes iPod up to the AuxIN in the car.
Same brand cable at Walmart was $14, was $9 at TjMax and $5 online.
I prefer any of the 3 options above to Best Buy.
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which is worse? best buy or radioshack?
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Both
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When will the flame wars stop??
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When will the flame wars stop??
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What flame war? Expressing one's dislike for a retailers jacked up prices or their rude idiotic employee is not flaming.
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Most Best Buy employees I have worked with have been wonderful. It is not the employees fault or any customer service issue that has driven me away. It is the shear markups and unreasonable costs that has put me off.
Simple example $24.95 for a simple audio cable to hook my wifes iPod up to the AuxIN in the car.
Same brand cable at Walmart was $14, was $9 at TjMax and $5 online.
I prefer any of the 3 options above to Best Buy.
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Haha Best buy is ridiculous and they think god made there stuff so we should pay that price.
Example: Laptop power cord Best buy = $79.99 - 89.99
Laptop power cord online (ebay, newegg, amazon) = $25.00 (shipping included)
Also, I fully understand that retail will always cost more than buying online. You have the overhead costs of a physical store, employees, advertising, etc so the product has to cost more in order actually make a profit and cover the costs of operation.
However, clearly if a product costs $5 online and $55 in Best Buy, there is some serious gouging going on. It will never change though because people continue to shop there and pay that price.
Sounds odd, but you can also try an AT&T store. While the chargers are generally $30 you have a one year warranty in store. Even if you're not their customer if you have the receipt you have the warranty.
For those who are on a budget I'd recommend Amazon, but some of those are iffy on the quality side.
Finally the official HTC Desktop Dock is now available and appears to be only in stock at HTCpedia.
shop.htcpedia.com/htc-thunderbolt-desktop-charging-dock.html
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Finally the official HTC Desktop Dock is now available and appears to be only in stock at HTCpedia.
shop.htcpedia.com/htc-thunderbolt-desktop-charging-dock.html
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My opinion...
If this would have been released with the phone or shortly thereafter I think it would have sold like hotcakes. I have no doubt that I would have bought one.
But now that the phone has been out for so long a lot of people have found other alternatives or have gotten used to just using the kickstand (like me).
For 60.00, I'll pass.
http://shop.htcpedia.com/htc-thunderbolt-desktop-charging-dock.html
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My opinion...
If this would have been released with the phone or shortly thereafter I think it would have sold like hotcakes. I have no doubt that I would have bought one.
But now that the phone has been out for so long a lot of people have found other alternatives or have gotten used to just using the kickstand (like me).
For 60.00, I'll pass.
http://shop.htcpedia.com/htc-thunderbolt-desktop-charging-dock.html
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Yes I totally agree... I say that money can be better spent on the ext battery!
$60 bucks?? i will also pass
where's the HDMI out? boo!
Too little too late, htc. I am absolutely not paying 60 dollars for a cheap piece of plastic that does nothing my current wall charger doesn't do.
Frankly, that looks very similar, if not, exactly like the dock on the verizon website.
And they sell for the same price.
Looks nice and I might consider it if/when it drops to a reasonable price.
Looks great, but I';; wait until it comes down to about $25.
Pass as well on this. $60 is better spent elsewhere.
60$?!?!?!?!
this is the **** that pisses me off
$14.99 pls?
its cool i got a dock with my kickstand
Also, I'll probably wait until someone sells this on amazon for a really cheap price.
Only a matter of time I say...
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It seems there are merchants selling the car dock for about 17 dollars new (at time of post). Plus other non-HTC desktop docks for about 30 bucks
http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-HTC-V...DGGA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1309550923&sr=8-3
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where's the HDMI out? boo!
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HDMI out is impossible since the TB doesn't have an HDMI port. And its really not needed on a phone....
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HDMI out is impossible since the TB doesn't have an HDMI port. And its really not needed on a phone....
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That is one opinion. This was a great feature of my old X, I was disappointed the Thunderbolt didn't come with it.
I went ahead and ordered one, I had one for my old Droid and liked it when using it as an alarm clock.
Wish it would have been a little cheaper though.
Here's a 3rd part equivalent for half the price
Amazon
Really HTC? After months of waiting this is what you bring is this overpriced dock with no HDMI out on it? How about dropping this to $30 then I might be interested. Otherwise epic fail.
HTC y U NO PUT HDMI PORT?!?!1?!! =[
Because they really failed with this phone. I loved it at first, but now I am just beginning to hate it. With the issues like the stupid usb location, gps issues, no HDMI, random reboots, etc I am really beginning to regret my decision from launch day.
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Really HTC? After months of waiting this is what you bring is this overpriced dock with no HDMI out on it? How about dropping this to $30 then I might be interested. Otherwise epic fail.
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Seriously. When I heard the $60 price tag, I thought that this must have an hdmi to come close to making it worth it. I agree with the post above, this phone is ok, but no where near the build quality of the OD Droid.
What's up with the price change? Is there anything justifying the 470% price increase?????
Other than greed, I mean...
Anker battery, sold by 'authorized seller' on eBay; not even ten bucks:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Anker-1900mAh-Battery-Samsung-Galaxy-S2-II-i9100-/220813288199
Same battery sold by same seller, much MUCH more expensive now:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Anker-1900mAh-Battery-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S2-II-i9100-/330747106855
What's up with that? is it because the I9100 will be "phased out" or something? Isn't there an installed customer base huge enough for these guys to continue selling their batteries at an affordable price? I'm flabbergasted.....
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After having looked around a bit, to my great surprise, I was able to find this at $9 on Amazon.ca. I was VERY surprised since we, in Canada, rarely get the same deals as in the US... we always get milked with more expensive products, even of our dollar is at par with the US dollar. But this time, the price was the same.
Now the funny thing is, the Amazon.com and .ca seller is the SAME as on eBay; so he sells these babies $47 on eBay and less than ten bucks on Amazon. I do not understand it one bit....
wanted to buy this battery about a week or 2 ago and saw those prices on ebay, no idea why it increased that much so would like to hear if someone know
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wanted to buy this battery about a week or 2 ago and saw those prices on ebay, no idea why it increased that much so would like to hear if someone know
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Your best bet is now Amazon.com or Amazon.ca... If you are luckily to be in the USA or Canada.
Other than that, the eBay prices are absolutely grotesque... :-\
NEW ROM will arrive people will buy NEW BATTERY instead of changing phone ! (It`s a 2 year old phone so battery will not last as new)
It's back down to $12 now, but I'd say they were low on stock so they jacked up the price for the last one or two units to avoid running out. Many online sellers do this for some reason, I guess selling out looks bad.
Sometimes I get the "need it now" vibe, but I can never find one for < $100 on eBay. Are these things ever going to lose value? Anyone out there shell out for one of them, care to "review" it?
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Personally, i only use it for charging so I will not shelling out a hundred bucks just for a dock.
If you really one want, just make one yourself if you have the spare time, there is a thread somewhere.
YMMV.
I said screw it when I saw the price and bought a micro USB speaker dock instead. Less awesome than the pogo pins but I think the better speakers make up for it. Less than half the price too.
Yeah really, for $100 I can get a legit speaker dock... I might do that, thanks for chiming in.
Wow these things go for 100 dollars now? And I thought for sure I was over paying when I initially bought it for 40 dollars and it would go down in value over time.
You talking about the i515 dock? I had to wait 6 months for mine after the phone launched. Payed about 80 bucks. The thing that pissed me off was that samsung didn't even have packaging for it (came in a plastic bag) and couldn't even through in a new charger cable. I won't be buying official samsung accessories anymore.
And I feel like a broken record saying this over and over but how they can launch products without accessories available is beyond me.
Damn you got yours for $40, that's lucky.
Well too, there's the GSM and Verizon variants of the dock, but expect to pay at least $100 for either....
I agree, I think Google has a better idea, Nexus 4 has the inductive puck and bumper case, I couldn't ask for more... Of course they still cost an arm and a leg... Why can't they give us cheap accessories, we should get subsidy for all the advertisements....
I'd rather use that $100 towards the Nexus 4 lol
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Hi All,
I found this while I was browsing around.
http://www.dailysteals.com/?utm_source=DailySteals.com+-+Deal+of+the+Day&utm_campaign=cecca2efb8-1_4_13_Sat_Steals&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_df9b59ce87-cecca2efb8-30879741#d/17452
The MSRP is $99, they're charging $25 right now. Tried googling the name, but nothing comes up. Then again, its hard to mess up a wireless charger. I ordered it anyway.
Just in case anybody else is interested. :good:
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Hi All,
I found this while I was browsing around.
http://www.dailysteals.com/?utm_source=DailySteals.com+-+Deal+of+the+Day&utm_campaign=cecca2efb8-1_4_13_Sat_Steals&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_df9b59ce87-cecca2efb8-30879741#d/17452
The MSRP is $99, they're charging $25 right now. Tried googling the name, but nothing comes up. Then again, its hard to mess up a wireless charger. I ordered it anyway.
Just in case anybody else is interested. :good:
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Looks like another no-name charger. $25 isn't a good deal
Yeah I bought 4 of these on ebay for 15$ a piece shipped I started with two , they worked perfect so I bought two more a couple days later all in 4 for 60$ I couldn't be happier just do a quick search on ebay, if your u sure just hit me up I'll find my reciept....
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There is no way the MSRP on that is $99. Definitely not a "steal" as they put it. I've been burned by that website before on a MicroSD card that was advertised as a sandisk class 10 but ended up being some knockoff brand when it finally got to me, loose and floating around an envelope in no packaging.
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You guys want an awesome wireless charger for under $25?
Check this out:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/ac...arging-plate-sku6290260.html#fbid=I6GcsXoIAba
Nokia DT-900, great wireless charger for $24.50/Free shipping.
Works flawlessly with our N5s.
Can't beat that.
Update: Nokia DT-900, $20, Boom:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-DT-90...3747?var=&hash=item8e13c7e2f2&vti=Color White
JD2589 said:
You guys want an awesome wireless charger for under $25?
Check this out:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/ac...arging-plate-sku6290260.html#fbid=I6GcsXoIAba
Nokia DT-900, great wireless charger for $24.50/Free shipping.
Works flawlessly with our N5s.
Can't beat that.
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DO NOT buy this!!
It has a proprietary plug, is not micro USB, and the output is only 750mA... It will charge your phone extremely slowly compared to other Qi chargers.
Most other Qi chargers, even ones half this price have a 1000mA output.
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DO NOT buy this!!
It has a proprietary plug, is not micro USB, and the output is only 750mA... It will charge your phone extremely slowly compared to other Qi chargers.
Most other Qi chargers, even ones half this price have a 1000mA output.
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I will admit its not that fastest charger out their, but by no means it is a bad wireless charger what so ever. Takes under 3 hours to get a full charge from 0%.
I had a Tylt Wireless Charger on order and had to cancel the order after reading about their over heating issues. While N5 users using the DT900 have nothing but good things to say about it, a simple search here on XDA will prove you that.
The Nokia DT-900 is a quality wireless charger, especially when compared to any cheap eBay wireless charger you can buy, I would never set my phone on a cheap eBay wireless charger.
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I will admit its not that fastest charger out their, but by no means it is a bad wireless charger what so ever. Takes under 3 hours to get a full charge from 0%.
I had a Tylt Wireless Charger on order and had to cancel the order after reading about their over heating issues. While N5 users using the DT900 have nothing but good things to say about it, a simple search here on XDA will prove you that.
The Nokia DT-900 is a quality wireless charger, especially when compared to any cheap eBay wireless charger you can buy, I would never set my phone on a cheap eBay wireless charger.
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If you generalize about the quality of a product strictly based on price and where you buy it from, you'll miss out on great products sorry to say. And I have done quite a bit of reading, both here on xda and elsewhere about the DT-900, and it's a mixed bag. Most of the high praise was due to the price when they had a fire sale, the performance is just average, many saying on the slow side. Also with issues of having to perfectly find the sweet spot, despite it having 3 coils.
While I agree the Tylt Vu is not my cup of tea, if you search for posts I've done about cheap Qi chargers. I've got ones that we're under $12, charge fantastically, and have no problems with detection. And yup, dirt cheap from ebay, the place where you would never set your phone down.
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If you generalize about the quality of a product strictly based on price and where you buy it from, you'll miss out on great products sorry to say. And I have done quite a bit of reading, both here on xda and elsewhere about the DT-900, and it's a mixed bag. Most of the high praise was due to the price when they had a fire sale, the performance is just average, many saying on the slow side. Also with issues of having to perfectly find the sweet spot, despite it having 3 coils.
While I agree the Tylt Vu is not my cup of tea, if you search for posts I've done about cheap Qi chargers. I've got ones that we're under $12, charge fantastically, and have no problems with detection. And yup, dirt cheap from ebay, the place where you would never set your phone down.
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What I meant by the cheap eBay products is that they aren't name brands, meaning they are cheaply made by god knows who...
I don't think their sale price has anything to do with it, look at Tylts they had a 50% off sale on them, and it has just exposed the overheating issue with the N5 even more because more people bought them and were affected by the issue. Whereas Nokia's also had them on sale and has gotten good reviews, barely any complaints on the N5 forums.
But we are all entitled to our own opinions, so I respect yours.
I will happily read those posts,
Thanks.
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What I meant by the cheap eBay products is that they aren't name brands, meaning they are cheaply made by god knows who...
I don't think their sale price has anything to do with it, look at Tylts they had a 50% off sale on them, and it has just exposed the overheating issue with the N5 even more because more people bought them. Whereas Nokia's has gotten good reviews, barely any complaints on the N5 forums.
But we are all entitled to our own opinions, so I respect yours.
I will happily read those posts,
Thanks.
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Sure I agree everyone has their own opinions. But also just because something isn't name brand doesn't mean its a cheap pos. That's another generalization you're making.
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Sure I agree everyone has their own opinions. But also just because something isn't name brand doesn't mean its a cheap pos. That's another generalization you're making.
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I guess I just don't trust cheap no name brand things, ever heard of 'You get what you pay for"?
But sure it's another generalization.
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I guess I just don't trust cheap no name brand things, ever heard of 'You get what you pay for"?
But sure it's another generalization.
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Just curious, do you buy name brand over store brand items?
Oh that is not a steal, even I know that, they sell those on eBay for less the 10 bucks all day...
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Just curious, do you buy name brand over store brand items?
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Depends.
But usually I trust name brands more.
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Depends.
But usually I trust name brands more.
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Lol. Yes a Johnson & Johnson band-aid is better CVS band-aid.
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Oh that is not a steal, even I know that, they sell those on eBay for less the 10 bucks all day...
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I just searched on eBay and did not find one for $10, the cheapest one was $20 shipped from Brooklyn. Unless your looking at auctions which haven't ended.
So there you go folks Nokia DT-900 even cheaper: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-DT-90...3747?var=&hash=item8e13c7e2f2&vti=Color White
If you were talking about the Wireless charger that the OP pointed out then I retract what was said above.
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Lol. Yes a Johnson & Johnson band-aid is better CVS band-aid.
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Yes of course, Thanks for your support.
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I guess I just don't trust cheap no name brand things, ever heard of 'You get what you pay for"?
But sure it's another generalization.
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Okay, but that's your mistake. You're assuming everything name brand is somehow better, and everything no name is cheap. In other words, you are the exact target audience for advertising, branding, marketing, and labels.
A Nike symbol on a shoe, doesn't somehow make it higher quality than the exact shoe without the swoosh stitching. They're still made at the same $1.50 hour sweat shops overseas. Only that little check mark allows a store to mark it up hundreds of dollars more.
Have you seen how a bread factory works? It's the same production line, at the very end it splits off in multiple directions for multiple brands. Wonderbread, walmart, house brand, no name. Same production line, same product, different branding, vastly different prices. Your breakfast cereal works the exact same way, same factories, different boxes and branding. No name/generic, skips the advertising and branding, so they charge less, and I save money.
But if you want to keep the opinion that generic = cheap garbage, go for it. I'll happily spend less money for a product that is the same or better, even if it doesn't have a few extra letters associated with a giant corporation.
Here's an example I did about the Nexus 5 quicksand cases. Name brand vs Generic ebay. One is $20, the other $0.99
You tell me if the 20x increase in price is worth it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48771439&postcount=13
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Okay, but that's your mistake. You're assuming everything name brand is somehow better, and everything no name is cheap. In other words, you are the exact target audience for advertising, branding, marketing, and labels.
A Nike symbol on a shoe, doesn't somehow make it higher quality than the exact shoe without the swoosh stitching. They're still made at the same $1.50 hour sweat shops overseas. Only that little check mark allows a store to mark it up hundreds of dollars more.
Have you seen how a bread factory works? It's the same production line, at the very end it splits off in multiple directions for multiple brands. Wonderbread, walmart, house brand, no name. Same production line, same product, different branding, vastly different prices. Your breakfast cereal works the exact same way, same factories, different boxes and branding. No name/generic, skips the advertising and branding, so they charge less, and I save money.
But if you want to keep the opinion that generic = cheap garbage, go for it. I'll happily spend less money for a product that is the same or better, even if it doesn't have a few extra letters associated with a giant corporation.
Here's an example I did about the Nexus 5 quicksand cases. Name brand vs Generic ebay. One is $20, the other $0.99
You tell me if the 20x increase in price is worth it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48771439&postcount=13
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I never said that generic brands in totality are garbage. That's why in a post above I said depends.
You can't always compare cheap no name brands to high end brand names. Sometimes you can sometimes you can't.
But this is really worthless, this thread was simply about someone wanting to buy a $25 no name cheap wireless charger and I pointed out that for $24.50 they could buy something that is better in terms of quality and brand.
BTW nice find with the cases, in that case the generic brand was of very similar quality when compared to the name brand.
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I never said that generic brands in totality are garbage. That's why in a post above I said depends.
You can't always compare cheap no name brands to high end brand names. Sometimes you can sometimes you can't.
But this is really worthless, this thread was simply about someone wanting to buy a $25 no name cheap wireless charger and I pointed out that for $24.50 they could buy something that is better in terms of quality and brand.
BTW nice find with the cases, in that case the generic brand was of very similar quality when compared to the name brand.
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Thanks, but on technicalities, it's not "similar quality" to the name brand case. It is the SAME case, minus some ink for 1/20 the price.
Also, it isn't worthless to bring this topic up, because despite talking about it, you continue to keep making ignorant generalizations, in this case, ones with no factual basis.
For instance, why do you automatically assume his charger of choice is a "no name cheap wireless charger?" You know absolutely nothing about it. Sure there are ones out there that cost less, but why would you assume his is bad? Just because it isn't Nokia, Sony, Samsung, or whatever other billion dollar conglomerate, doesn't make the product no name or cheap.
Then you list a Nokia, saying it's better in terms of quality and brand, yet you have no basis for comparison other than what you're imagining.
Your recommendation, other than the word Nokia molded in the plastic in worse in every way than almost all other standard Qi chargers.
1) It uses proprietary inputs, almost every other manufacturer uses the standard micro USB adapter.
2) Most reviews say it requires finding the sweet spot to charge, or the phone doesn't recognize it.
3) It's output is 750mA while almost all others are 1000mA.
So again, how is the Nokia better in terms of quality and brand when in all actuality, the product is worse in every way?
This is going to be my last post as it isn't adding much to the topic.
Its like comparing a a Mercedes Benz to a Kia. Which one is better my friend? The Benz or the Kia. We all know the high end brand is going to be better.
If you tell me the Kia then we all know who is actually being ignorant.
Remember I earlier said it is my opinion, and that I respected yours. I'm not going to lower myself to getting into some stupid fight with you over this. Like I said and will say again it is my opinion. If you don't respect another people opinions the one who shouldn't be recommending products is yourself.
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