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Camera app with potential - Camera VF-5

Guys,
I’ve just stumbled across a new camera app called Camera FV-5 on the play store. It might not be something for everyone, but if good support for the One X could be implemented – I think it has a lot of potential for people with a photographic background.
Would really like to know what people think before I contact the developer.
Here's the website:
http://www.camera.flavionet.com/
Bugsy

Here are a list of features (Copy/Pasted) from the Play Store description. I will mention that the RAW feature isn't RAW as such - it saves the final image in lossless PNG format instead of Jpeg.
• All photographic parameters are adjustable and always at hand: exposure compensation, ISO, light metering mode, focus mode, white balance and program mode.
• DSLR-like viewfinder display: see exposure time, aperture and stops display with EV and bracketing settings.
• Full fledged exposure bracketing: from 3 to 7 frames, unlimited stops spacing, plus custom EV shifting.
• Built-in intervalometer: make stunning timelapses (even bracketed/HDR timelapses) and time-controlled picture series.
• Program and Speed-priority modes.
• Long exposure support: take beautiful night photos and light trails with long exposure times up to 60 seconds*.
• JPEG as well as RAW (PNG**) image formats for lossless photo capturing, perfect for post-processing.
• EXIF and XMP sidecar metadata support.
• Self timer for delayed shooting.
• Autofocus, macro, touch-to-focus*** and infinity focus modes, plus a focus lock switch (AF-L).
• In background photo developing and processing allows a smooth, uninterrupted camera operation.

looks interesting will give it a go

Already a 6-page thread discussion on the App forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1623721

ArmedandDangerous said:
Already a 6-page thread discussion on the App forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1623721
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Sorry, I didn't see that.
Edit: Now I see why. I started my thread a couple of weeks or so before that thread was made

Since the thread is made, another that I use and is worth checking out is 'Shot Control' no PNG format but produces better reproduction of the scene in my opinion, particularly the colours and exposure.

But it is a camera app not a recording app correct?
I think the camera on One X is fine for images just the recording that needs to be improved.

shangostar said:
Since the thread is made, another that I use and is worth checking out is 'Shot Control' no PNG format but produces better reproduction of the scene in my opinion, particularly the colours and exposure.
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Thanks, I'll take a look.

For a quick comparison between the stock camera, FV-5, camera 360 and camera ICS, check out my quick review for more info.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652642

I'm definitely going to check this out. The camera was the reason for me getting the HOX so i'll dive in.
Will report back shortly.

you should try lgCamera (lite in playstore and pro from the internet)
you'll get a photocamera and videorecorder
you get better photo's, 4,5mb instead of 1,5mb of HTC (less compression, better quality)
with videorecorder you can get smoother movies with nice sound,
- you can set bitrate till 100mbps, but I think 20mbps is enough (the SIII uses 17mbps for 1080p, htc uses 11mbps) so set it to 20mbps, for smoother movies
- record in stereo at max 320kbps with 48hz
- record in 3gp or mp4, but mp4 is better for the One X

Compressed Photos

Has anyone else noticed the file size for photos taken on the one x? My Photo's taken at full resolution are only coming in at circa 1.8mb - seems rather small often images at the same resolution we're double the size on my DHD.

I use Camera ZOOM FX, much better app than the stock, it also not as aggressive with compression in post processing.
P.S. Just did a quick test, photo taken in Camera Zoom FX (2.7mb) is twice the size of photo in stock camera app (1.4mb).

Bigmille said:
I use Camera ZOOM FX, much better app than the stock, it also not as aggressive with compression in post processing.
P.S. Just did a quick test, photo taken in Camera Zoom FX (2.7mb) is twice the size of photo in stock camera app (1.4mb).
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I think we lose the cool features of the stock app such as the burst mode and the recording video and taking pictures

You can also have more than one camera app. Stock for burst mode, one for taking lower compression photo and another for social media.
Edit: just tried burst mode in the camera zoom app, and it is faster the stock! You can take up to 32 photos in one burst around 8 sec!
It looks like the app uses video recording for the duration of the burst and process the photos afterword. It is an interesting way of doing burst mode.

Bigmille said:
You can also have more than one camera app. Stock for burst mode, one for taking lower compression photo and another for social media.
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Good point Or I can hope the DEVs can fix the high compression rate. Some Useful Data must be getting lost

[Q] Shoot in RAW & Image processing LG optimus G pro

hi, my xda friend, i have a couple of months my lg optimus g pro from at&t..
the cellphone is really good, but i dont like the camera, has a low dinamic range! the jpegs didnt have a good render colors and the information in the jpegs is horrible.!
i would like know if exist some way to shoot in raw and edit in some apps, or a better way to process the cooked pictures!
some apk use just the processing after inphone camera core processing like camera360, the image render with any filter is the same like the stock camera apk.
i would like to know some information about that!

Try Camera FV-5 on the playstore. It shoots in RAW and has been reported to work on GPro.

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Try Camera FV-5 on the playstore. It shoots in RAW and has been reported to work on GPro.
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Photography is a big hobby of mine. If this app captures in RAW, I will be in heaven!!!
OP, I post process all pics, from my DSLR and my phones, in Adobe Lightroom on PC. You can do some amazing processing / noise reduction even on not-so-good jpgs. Especially if you use plug-ins. Topaz plug-ins are one of my favorites.
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Just tried Camera FV-5. Excellent app with lots of SLR type features and settings! Doesn't look like pure RAW capture, but saves in PNG. I shoot in 10mp on my e980 in order to get 16x9 framing. Looks like this app saves uncompressed PNG, a 10mp PNG is a little over 10mb in size. This app is well worth purchasing! Thanks stfly!

Zagnutty said:
Photography is a big hobby of mine. If this app captures in RAW, I will be in heaven!!!
OP, I post process all pics, from my DSLR and my phones, in Adobe Lightroom on PC. You can do some amazing processing / noise reduction even on not-so-good jpgs. Especially if you use plug-ins. Topaz plug-ins are one of my favorites.
**EDIT**
Just tried Camera FV-5. Excellent app with lots of SLR type features and settings! Doesn't look like pure RAW capture, but saves in PNG. I shoot in 10mp on my e980 in order to get 16x9 framing. Looks like this app saves uncompressed PNG, a 10mp PNG is a little over 10mb in size. This app is well worth purchasing! Thanks stfly!
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Zagnutty, you're very welcome.
The problem with the GPro camera, imo, is that you need very specific lighting conditions for acceptable results. Video is mostly great even indoors but the photo results vary greatly. I use the stock camera. I tried lenovo and another camera, I think 360, but the results were slightly worse than stock.
I believe that the hardware is good but very poorly optimized.

stfly said:
Zagnutty, you're very welcome.
The problem with the GPro camera, imo, is that you need very specific lighting conditions for acceptable results. Video is mostly great even indoors but the photo results vary greatly. I use the stock camera. I tried lenovo and another camera, I think 360, but the results were slightly worse than stock.
I believe that the hardware is good but very poorly optimized.
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Being able to shoot a lossless pic allows for much better post processing to increase the quality.
This looks interesting, but we have to wait for KK update to try it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2695447
Now if only I could capture RAW uncompressed RGB video, I'd be very very happy! But I know that will never happen.

Zagnutty said:
Being able to shoot a lossless pic allows for much better post processing to increase the quality.
This looks interesting, but we have to wait for KK update to try it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2695447
Now if only I could capture RAW uncompressed RGB video, I'd be very very happy! But I know that will never happen.
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yes, i must to wait, but.. what the review of the app that you added to this thread..! i installed FV 5 but i cant tested it!
what happens with the o g pro image processing! its a hardware problem or hardware?

zikario507 said:
yes, i must to wait, but.. what the review of the app that you added to this thread..! i installed FV 5 but i cant tested it!
what happens with the o g pro image processing! its a hardware problem or hardware?
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What problem do u have? In my case, i found to accept iso change, i must change iso, exit app, and restart app for iso change to take effect. Not sure why tho....something is a little buggy, but still great app. I will have to leave comment for dev about this.
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Just to add, i too have e980 from at&t here in the US. Running 4.1 10P.
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RAW Support and long exposures

Hi
Does anyone know if there is a way to save images as RAW in the Moto Z Play?
Also, the manual (pro) mode allows you to change the exposure duration but this seems to be maxed to 1/6 - any way to get to longer exposure times?
Thank you.

No idea about the RAW support but if you want to take long exposure shots there are a few camera apps on the Play Store which should do the trick (Camera FV-5 Lite for example) but I never tried any so you may have to try a few in order to find something you're happy with.

DadOudidOuda said:
No idea about the RAW support but if you want to take long exposure shots there are a few camera apps on the Play Store which should do the trick (Camera FV-5 Lite for example) but I never tried any so you may have to try a few in order to find something you're happy with.
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Cheers! I've got Camera FV-5 installed and it does present longer exposure times, but I cant tell the difference between them and the stock camera photos. For example, photos taken in stock camera at 1/6 look the same as FV5 at 5 second exp. I don't have my phone to hand but will post some examples later.

A331709 said:
Cheers! I've got Camera FV-5 installed and it does present longer exposure times, but I cant tell the difference between them and the stock camera photos. For example, photos taken in stock camera at 1/6 look the same as FV5 at 5 second exp. I don't have my phone to hand but will post some examples later.
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I'm not surprised if there's no differences between the 2 but I thought you could make 30 seconds exposure shots with Camera FV-5 (which would surely make a difference with the stock camera)
About RAW support, from what I've read the Z Play doesn't support it unfortunately. You'd need the TrueZoom mod to get RAW support, which is quite an expensive buy.

A331709 said:
Hi
Does anyone know if there is a way to save images as RAW in the Moto Z Play?
Also, the manual (pro) mode allows you to change the exposure duration but this seems to be maxed to 1/6 - any way to get to longer exposure times?
Thank you.
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Edit: Tried to save RAW with Snap but although it gives me the option I was not able to find a RAW image on my card...
I use the Snap Camera app from Playstore. It's extremely versatile and gives you tons of options and it has RAW support with our Z Play.
It needs some time to try out all options and find out the best for the phone and it also costs a few bucks (although there is a free version too). But I think it's worth it. For example it's also the only app I've found which let's you tourn of the denoise filter which is sometimes very helpfull when making pictures of landscapes which lots of details.
The interface is a little annoying at first but you can turn off everything and build your own interface with the free customizable shortcut buttons (settings - advanced - on screen settings).
It has also a good support on XDA.

Thanks for this. It's odd, camera fv 5 says the phone does not support RAW. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What really bugs me though is the exposure times. I'll give it a try to see what sort of image I get with a 30 sec exposure now.

A331709 said:
Thanks for this. It's odd, camera fv 5 says the phone does not support RAW. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What really bugs me though is the exposure times. I'll give it a try to see what sort of image I get with a 30 sec exposure now.
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IMG image - Stock camera with everything auto and exposure at 1/6s. Looks like garbage.
DSC image - Camera FV 5, everything auto and exposure at 20s. Looks like dark garbage.

If im not mistaken, Camera2API supports raw format. Whenever Lenovo finally enables it (Nougat?) we should be able to export to raw format.

A331709 said:
IMG image - Stock camera with everything auto and exposure at 1/6s. Looks like garbage.
DSC image - Camera FV 5, everything auto and exposure at 20s. Looks like dark garbage.
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I found that long exposure shots have a very limited use :-\

True it's not something you'd use everyday, but it would've been good to have this work as it should. The only other thing I can think of is that they've nerfed it on purpose so the camera mod sells.

noisyriver said:
Edit: Tried to save RAW with Snap but although it gives me the option I was not able to find a RAW image on my card...
I use the Snap Camera app from Playstore. It's extremely versatile and gives you tons of options and it has RAW support with our Z Play.
It needs some time to try out all options and find out the best for the phone and it also costs a few bucks (although there is a free version too). But I think it's worth it. For example it's also the only app I've found which let's you tourn of the denoise filter which is sometimes very helpfull when making pictures of landscapes which lots of details.
The interface is a little annoying at first but you can turn off everything and build your own interface with the free customizable shortcut buttons (settings - advanced - on screen settings).
It has also a good support on XDA.
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Raw does work if you enable camera 2 api or modify hal lib it works even in camera 1 mode
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Question How well does mcpro24fps work ?

Hi, I'm thinking of getting a pixel 6 / 6 pro, but first I'd like to know what kind of video I can get from it.
Has anyone tested mcpro24fps ? What are the maximum resolutions available ? The maximum bitrate ?
Are the aux cameras available and working ? (It seems like the ultra wide isn't very wide or very good, but at least the main and zoom lenses ?)

For anyone who is curious, this is an $18 app mcpro24fps - professional manual video camera app.

roirraW edor ehT said:
For anyone who is curious, this is an $18 app mcpro24fps - professional manual video camera app.
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It's also available for free if you download it through the developper's telegram discussion - but it's in russian. I learned where the main buttons are through screenshots and google lens translation, and it works well enough for me.
Not sure I'm allowed to post the link to the telegram here, but if I am I will !

i've dabbled with this app and filmic on previous devices and been left a bit frustrated. it all depends on your usual way of working. for a start you lose all gyro stabilization, which for me is a deal breaker. also with regards the pixel 6, my guess would be that you will also lose it's hdr.net video capabilities, which is an incredible feature.
on my p6p the default white balance for video (but not stills) is a little warm. i've found that if you tweak the white balance slider down just a tiny bit, the footage looks really amazing. if you also hop onto the MWP mod of the camera, you can bump the bitrate up to 100, vs the 69 of stock. using this mod you can control most aspects of the stills, saturation sharpness noise control hdr etc. i've yet to experiment whether those also apply to video.

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i've dabbled with this app and filmic on previous devices and been left a bit frustrated. it all depends on your usual way of working. for a start you lose all gyro stabilization, which for me is a deal breaker. also with regards the pixel 6, my guess would be that you will also lose it's hdr.net video capabilities, which is an incredible feature.
on my p6p the default white balance for video (but not stills) is a little warm. i've found that if you tweak the white balance slider down just a tiny bit, the footage looks really amazing. if you also hop onto the MWP mod of the camera, you can bump the bitrate up to 100, vs the 69 of stock. using this mod you can control most aspects of the stills, saturation sharpness noise control hdr etc. i've yet to exp
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It's also available for free if you download it through the developper's telegram discussion - but it's in russian. I learned where the main buttons are through screenshots and google lens translation, and it works well enough for me.
Not sure I'm allowed to post the link to the telegram here, but if I am I will !
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Can i get the free link please? Thanks

joetarney said:
Can i get the free link please? Thanks
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Yes, of course :
mcpro24fps
Official mcpro24fps channel (Android™ only) Купить в РФ Huawei AppGallery: https://bit.ly/mcpro24fpshua English chat: https://t.me/mcpro24fps_en Русский чат: https://t.me/mcpro24fps_ru Youtube: https://youtube.com/mcpro24fps Карта Мир: 2204120102886906
t.me
Although as I already said, that version is only in Russian. What I usually do is take a screenshot, open it in google photos, tap the google lens icon and select "translate". So I can only read a few buttons at a time.
Also you will need to download and install any future updates by yourself.
If you've never used the app, basically tap the camera icon at the bottom of the screen, select one of the two top menus (with or without gpu, it determines wether the video feed will be encoded by the gpu or isp) then select 60 fps, and finally the highest resolution available.
Then a bit further down one of the options is a value in megabytes, that's the bitrate, push it as far as possible (before the selection turns red)
You can also check out the aux sensors by taping the button at the top-left corner.

So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized? If "saturation sharpness noise control" are of interest, wouldn't it be wiser to just shoot in RAW and then edit later on, ensuring that the "base" product is of higher quality?

Morgrain said:
So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized?
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The base idea of the app is that it gives you acess to the rawest output from the sensor. It supports better resolutions than the stock camera, in much higher bitrate. In theory, it also supports denoise and both ois and eis.
I made this post to check if all of these do actually work on the pixel 6 pro (including on the aux lenses) and what resolutions and fps combos are supported.

Morgrain said:
So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized? If "saturation sharpness noise control" are of interest, wouldn't it be wiser to just shoot in RAW and then edit later on, ensuring that the "base" product is of higher quality?
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The only thing it might not have is hdr.net, and even that might be exposed as a video output from the camera api, so even that might be a possibility, just with a higher bitrate than what the stock app supports.
EDIT : The video feed isn't downgraded in any way, stabilization is supported, and it supplants gcam processing which isn't really good at video anyway (except maybe hdr.net, but we'll see).