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Lack of support?

I have had just about every Android phone Verizon offers. And obviously, my latest is the inc2 which I love BTW. But I have noticed something- the amount of activity and or support for this device amazes me. Is it JUST because we don't have perm root yet? It seems like even peoples basic questions go unanswered because not enough people are around.
In no way am I trying to point any fingers or rush the amazing devs. I am just curious as to why there seems to be very little activity here. Could it be that people are already happy with their inc2 the way they are, so there isn't much rush to change it? I don't think so.. theres always bigger and better things to try and look forward to.
I came from a fascinate previous to this phone and had more problems with it than I could even begin to list. But the dev support was there. Hopefully its just the root factor causing the lack of support.. or maybe I am missing something. Please try to refrain from the flaming.
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rm2011 said:
Is it JUST because we don't have perm root yet?
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Yes. Pair that with the fact that this isn't the most attractive "cutting-edge" device.

xgunther said:
Yes. Pair that with the fact that this isn't the most attractive "cutting-edge" device.
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Neither is the Eris or the Hero but the amount of support they recieve is astonishing!! Even still to this day the threads and contributors continue to grow at a steady pace.
Going forward with what the op stated and as u gunther mentioned, its because we still dont have root. In time we will achieve root and shortly there after the threads and postings will grow as well.
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xgunther said:
Yes. Pair that with the fact that this isn't the most attractive "cutting-edge" device.
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I've herd others say this and I don't get it. It's a very high end phone! Second generation snapdragon with gpu and a front facing camera? I'de say its high end. Not a tb but not many phones have dual core or Tegra 2 yet. Plus 4g is too much. It sucks battery and its not covered enough yet. 3g is just fine for me. Its the best phone Verizon has at the moment. The battery is great, its fast, amazing build quality and the video chat is a nice plus. I call it the thunderbolt's little brother.
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Give it more than a little over a month.. this is why I keep my inc1 to play with. it'll come..

I believe the issue is that HTC has given us an ounce of hope by telling us that they will no longer lock their bootloaders. By doing this, most people are hesitant to try and root their phone since they know that HTC might do it for them. (Or provide an automated solution, of course.)

gigamchz said:
I've herd others say this and I don't get it. It's a very high end phone! Second generation snapdragon with gpu and a front facing camera? I'de say its high end. Not a tb but not many phones have dual core or Tegra 2 yet. Plus 4g is too much. It sucks battery and its not covered enough yet. 3g is just fine for me. Its the best phone Verizon has at the moment. The battery is great, its fast, amazing build quality and the video chat is a nice plus. I call it the thunderbolt's little brother.
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Sure, it's not a tbolt. Differences:
tbolt has 4.3" screen, I2 has 4" screen
tbolt has LTE, I2 does not
tbolt has a kickstand built in, I2 does not
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Do you find these differences revolutionary? Because that's pretty much the only real differences. They both have the same SOC (2nd gen snapdragon), same 768mb RAM, same cameras, etc. The core hardware is pretty much the same. Unfortunately the storage controllers are different enough to make the rooting process for the tbolt not work for the I2, but it's my understanding they are similar enough that a similar hack is being worked on.
(this isn't targeted at gigamchz, just expanding on what was said)

I agree completely with nearly everything stated. What would you guys think about starting up an IRC room for us "non-devs" ? Ive got one setup, but if nobody is interested in making use of it, I don't see a reason to move forward with it.
I was only thing Irc because its a lot easier to get an answer to your question quickly. And also there would be a strict rule of no flaming. So hopefully people would feel more comfortable asking questions.
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thinking of buying this phone

I think the phone looks great, but since it has the different processor and the consensus seems to say it is bad, would it be better to get the htc amaze? I really like this one as its lighter and bigger screen. lack of camera button bothers me a bit but I guess I can live with that. but if its crappy dual core and not going to be much better than my single core epic 4g, that wouldn't be so great.

Processing horsepower is much higher than any single core phone. You can't even reliably run Firefox on a Hummingbird SoC, my Vibrant has issues with it on CM7 and when it's overclocked. Not so with any dual core Android phone.

robl45 said:
I think the phone looks great, but since it has the different processor and the consensus seems to say it is bad, would it be better to get the htc amaze? I really like this one as its lighter and bigger screen. lack of camera button bothers me a bit but I guess I can live with that. but if its crappy dual core and not going to be much better than my single core epic 4g, that wouldn't be so great.
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Fyi the Amaze and this both have the same exact processor and gpu. The processor on this phone isn't as great as the other Galaxy SII, but you'll never know the difference once this phone gets its software more optimized for the different processor we have. I advise you watch a few YouTube reviews, read user reviews on XDA and go in T-Mobile store to see which phone is the right choice for you.
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thanks for the info on the processor, so then this would likely be the one. what is the thought on this getting cyanogen or even ICS?
this is a big issue with the epic 4g since its so different from the other galaxy phones. I don't want to run into the issue again where i end up with the odd duck phone that doesn't get upgraded.

robl45 said:
thanks for the info on the processor, so then this would likely be the one. what is the thought on this getting cyanogen or even ICS?
this is a big issue with the epic 4g since its so different from the other galaxy phones. I don't want to run into the issue again where i end up with the odd duck phone that doesn't get upgraded.
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I think this phone would be a shoe in for Cyanogen mod especially since Cyanogen was hired by Samsung. As far as getting ICS officially I would think this phone should be one of the first Gingerbread running phone to receive the update. Would we get ICS unofficially? I definitely think so!!!
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OuncE718 said:
I think this phone would be a shoe in for Cyanogen mod especially since Cyanogen was hired by Samsung. As far as getting ICS officially I would think this phone should be one of the first Gingerbread running phone to receive the update. Would we get ICS unofficially? I definitely think so!!!
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well my reference was to the fact that it uses a different processor then the main galaxy s 2. like with the epic 4g, it has the keyboard and wimax and is last for everything while the other galaxy phones are not still stuck on froyo.

robl45 said:
well my reference was to the fact that it uses a different processor then the main galaxy s 2. like with the epic 4g, it has the keyboard and wimax and is last for everything while the other galaxy phones are not still stuck on froyo.
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The chances of an official release of ICS on the T-Mobile Galaxy S II are very very good, the chances of a custom rom of ICS are about 99%

word of advice to the OP...don't even think about it, just buy the phone. Performance and battery life on this phone is amazing!

babymatteo said:
word of advice to the OP...don't even think about it, just buy the phone. Performance and battery life on this phone is amazing!
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+100 to that

OuncE718 said:
Fyi the Amaze and this both have the same exact processor and gpu. The processor on this phone isn't as great as the other Galaxy SII, but you'll never know the difference once this phone gets its software more optimized for the different processor we have. I advise you watch a few YouTube reviews, read user reviews on XDA and go in T-Mobile store to see which phone is the right choice for you.
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Lawl, and who's going to do the optimizing? Samsung?
If anything, you'd need to wait for Samsung to write the proper drivers or properly polish the TW ui to include hardware acceleration based on the A8-architecture. Something which I am going to assume is not going to happen.
To the OP, buy the phone based on what it can do now and based on how you like it after having played with it in the store.
I strongly advise you buying into this phone or signing a 2-year contract based on the hopes of other users on this forum.
Remember that. Just because people think this is XDA doesn't mean that every single problem on the phone will somehow get miraculously fixed or improved upon by developers.
I've seen too many buying a phone based on what it COULD/SHOULD be and not what it was.

Hardware acceleration would be done by the GPU no?

heygrl said:
Hardware acceleration would be done by the GPU no?
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Yes it would be done as you seen in the game dead space only one worth mentioning. It wont lag when we have google new os on it because of hardware acceleration. It will be very little difference between our version and galaxy s2 variants.

PoisonWolf said:
Lawl, and who's going to do the optimizing? Samsung?
If anything, you'd need to wait for Samsung to write the proper drivers or properly polish the TW ui to include hardware acceleration based on the A8-architecture. Something which I am going to assume is not going to happen.
To the OP, buy the phone based on what it can do now and based on how you like it after having played with it in the store.
I strongly advise you buying into this phone or signing a 2-year contract based on the hopes of other users on this forum.
Remember that. Just because people think this is XDA doesn't mean that every single problem on the phone will somehow get miraculously fixed or improved upon by developers.
I've seen too many buying a phone based on what it COULD/SHOULD be and not what it was.
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This guy is like a roach. Smh. Just annoying. Stop bashing this phone.
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PoisonWolf said:
Lawl, and who's going to do the optimizing? Samsung?
If anything, you'd need to wait for Samsung to write the proper drivers or properly polish the TW ui to include hardware acceleration based on the A8-architecture. Something which I am going to assume is not going to happen.
To the OP, buy the phone based on what it can do now and based on how you like it after having played with it in the store.
I strongly advise you buying into this phone or signing a 2-year contract based on the hopes of other users on this forum.
Remember that. Just because people think this is XDA doesn't mean that every single problem on the phone will somehow get miraculously fixed or improved upon by developers.
I've seen too many buying a phone based on what it COULD/SHOULD be and not what it was.
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Who ever is on xda most of the time relies on developers. Because it is to hard for them to learn it themselves. For optimization wait till google new os comes out so that way every phone with a dual core will basically be the same. Touchwiz may never be hardware accelerated till google releases source till ice cream. Its not a big deal you can run bunch of other variations of android. That will be hardware accelerated which are far superior to stock rom. By the time samsung gets touch wiz working fine on this phone.
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This guy is like a roach. Smh. Just annoying. Stop bashing this phone.
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He just wants a perfect phone that is all. He need something to take out his anger and it is this phone. He may not be satisfied with his purchase. Can't take it back so he is stuck with it. I would be pissed to if i was stuck with a phone i didn't want as well. Just ignore him. Xda becoming more and more like Engadget everyday. Nitpicking at everything.

OuncE718 said:
This guy is like a roach. Smh. Just annoying. Stop bashing this phone.
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As opposed to what? You? Hawking this phone in the Amaze forums?
Please, get over yourself. I'm sick of people like you trying to coax people into purchasing the phone based on POTENTIAL things that may or may not come.
I've seen this happen so many times when people in other sections of XDA get coaxed into getting a phone due to hopeful users who think that the phone will get all its problems fixed.
If you can't accept the technical facts, what are you doing on XDA? Preaching and selling hope and prayer for what the phone will be 3 months from now?
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Killbynature said:
Who ever is on xda most of the time relies on developers. Because it is to hard for them to learn it themselves. For optimization wait till google new os comes out so that way every phone with a dual core will basically be the same. Touchwiz may never be hardware accelerated till google releases source till ice cream. Its not a big deal you can run bunch of other variations of android. That will be hardware accelerated which are far superior to stock rom. By the time samsung gets touch wiz working fine on this phone.
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He just wants a perfect phone that is all. He need something to take out his anger and it is this phone. He may not be satisfied with his purchase. Can't take it back so he is stuck with it. I would be pissed to if i was stuck with a phone i didn't want as well. Just ignore him. Xda becoming more and more like Engadget everyday. Nitpicking at everything.
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I don't even own the phone. But please, be quick to pass judgment.
I've said numerous times that I am still planning to get this phone regardless of the drawbacks. However, I'm one to remain objective and not to hawk the phone like I have an oversupply of these phones in my warehouse.

I dont think hes out to just bash the phone, hes just pointing out its flaws (albeit in seemingly every thread lol).
This phone is amazing, easily the best phone ive ever had, but its still not perfect.
To the OP, this phone is head and shoulders better than the amaze. factor in the problems the amaze are having its an easy choice

babymatteo said:
word of advice to the OP...don't even think about it, just buy the phone. Performance and battery life on this phone is amazing!
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Also you can't beat tmobiles data speed. Sprints 4g is maybe as fast as Tmobile 3g ....and that's a big maybe!
MERCaBeast

PoisonWolf said:
As opposed to what? You? Hawking this phone in the Amaze forums?
Please, get over yourself. I'm sick of people like you trying to coax people into purchasing the phone based on POTENTIAL things that may or may not come.
I've seen this happen so many times when people in other sections of XDA get coaxed into getting a phone due to hopeful users who think that the phone will get all its problems fixed.
If you can't accept the technical facts, what are you doing on XDA? Preaching and selling hope and prayer for what the phone will be 3 months from now?
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I don't even own the phone. But please, be quick to pass judgment.
I've said numerous times that I am still planning to get this phone regardless of the drawbacks. However, I'm one to remain objective and not to hawk the phone like I have an oversupply of these phones in my warehouse.
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Why would you even consider purchasing this phone knowing how "slow" the processor is compared to the Exynos? You lost me with that one. Maybe you should wait for something better to come out.
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Darmokk said:
I dont think hes out to just bash the phone, hes just pointing out its flaws (albeit in seemingly every thread lol).
This phone is amazing, easily the best phone ive ever had, but its still not perfect.
To the OP, this phone is head and shoulders better than the amaze. factor in the problems the amaze are having its an easy choice
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You shouldn't say that. I think he's an Amaze owner.
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OuncE718 said:
Why would you even consider purchasing this phone knowing how "slow" the processor is compared to the Exynos? You lost me with that one. Maybe you should wait for something better to come out.
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I still love the phone despite knowing these technical drawbacks. I just know the limitations.I've played with them.

[Q] Who else is getting the Galaxy Nexus?

Well first off, my Incredible has been a POS ever since I dropped it and cracked the screen, even though I replaced it, it doesnt work right.
Not only that, Im tired of Sense. I was pissed that we got Gingerbread 8 months after it was announced and also even if I get a new HTC phone, Sense has just become too bloated for me.
So how many other people are going to become Android Purists and get the Galaxy Nexus?

you should do a poll.
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As exciting as it is...I still want to wait for the hype to die down a Tad

Already polled here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284463
Even though the names of both phones are now wrong, the Vigor being the Rezound and the Prime being the Galaxy-Nexus.
If you hated Sense that much I'm actually pretty surprised you haven't rooted and put on an AOSP ROM. The DINC has had an awesome development community and we've been lucky enough to have a ton of really great ROMs ported for us and we were never tied to waiting for HTC or being stuck with Sense.

abrin said:
Already polled here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284463
Even though the names of both phones are now wrong, the Vigor being the Rezound and the Prime being the Galaxy-Nexus.
If you hated Sense that much I'm actually pretty surprised you haven't rooted and put on an AOSP ROM. The DINC has had an awesome development community and we've been lucky enough to have a ton of really great ROMs ported for us and we were never tied to waiting for HTC or being stuck with Sense.
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agreed. We have never been short on ROMs. I have found that there have been some really awesome ones with sense. Mctwist is running smooth as ever.
I'm probably going to get the galaxy nexus after it comes out and is clear from any major bugs, but that is just to upgrade because there is nothing wrong with my incredible. It has literally been incredible since the day I got it. It's rare for phones these days to actually be able to do that.

I am getting the Nexus and then using my incredible as a back up.
Will finally have a back up phone that is android.

Still torn on this myself. I will definitely have to see it in person, and I'd like to see how the developer community works out.
Of course by then some new better yet phone will be just around the corner.
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That galaxy nexus looks sweet. I going to have to keep my eye on that one.

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I am getting the Nexus and then using my incredible as a back up.
Will finally have a back up phone that is android.
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Same here. I like a lot - a LOT - of what I've seen and heard about the Vigor/Rezound, but I simply want to give the Galaxy Nexus a solid try. ICS from day one, cutting-edge updates. The ICS presentation in Hong Kong sold me, I don't want to wait weeks to months (I suspect a viable AOSP Inc build within a week of the AOSP ICS release - I'm not as confident on the Vigor, since we don't know the bootloader status yet, and this IS Verizon we're talking about) for ICS on a Vigor.
They're (rumored to be) coming out close enough together, that if I end up disliking my Galaxy Nexus and just like the Rezound better (you can bet I'll be in a B&M VZW store getting my hands on it) I can return and switch.
I really like my Incredible a lot, and I'm floored with the strong dev community for it, and what I've seen of similar things for the EVO family and so on. I hope the same for the Vigor/Rezound will be true. But then again, I've seen an overwhelming majority of anyone with a Nexus phone saying how happy they are with theirs.

For one, I'll be getting it just because it's a Nexus device. I enjoy my Incredible and will continue use it as a backup. I've tried all kinds of Roms and I just wanna try something different. I enjoy Sense but the recent versions have just not been fun for me, maybe that's because of Verizon's locking down or something.

It looks nice, but I am going to watch the hype for a bit. It is hard to move on from something as smooth and still as well supported as our INC.

I am going for the Droid Razr, never have and never will own a Samsung phone. Motorola and HTC have proven themselves in the Signal Strength and Quality category for many many years.

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I am going for the Droid Razr, never have and never will own a Samsung phone. Motorola and HTC have proven themselves in the Signal Strength and Quality category for many many years.
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I own a samsung and am very impressed with it, samsung would be my top choice although I'm open minded to others.
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I'm totally getting a Nexus.
All these low storage errors are starting to piss me off.
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Try the ext data moved mod?

gadzooks64 said:
I'm totally getting a Nexus.
All these low storage errors are starting to piss me off.
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not an issue in any of their newer phones either.
I was completely going for the Rezound before I realized that it's still a mystery if it's going to get an unlocked bootloader or not. That's a deciding factor for me.
The Nexus is a great phone, but again another huge letdown is the SD card slot. I use my phone as my iPod so I need the space for my music collection.
I have no problem waiting with my trusty INC until I can see better how these phones will turn out.
Waiting for the quad core phone that is not even coming to verizon is just insanity. It'll be such a long wait, I'll bet you almost anything that the Q1 Q2 date will be pushed back, not to mention that phone is for AT&T, verizon may not see a quad core phone for another year.

POQbum said:
I was completely going for the Rezound before I realized that it's still a mystery if it's going to get an unlocked bootloader or not. That's a deciding factor for me.
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That's a pretty big issue for me too, and seeing that motorola pointed the finger at Verizon for the locked bootloader on the Droid Razr, I'm not expecting to see any sort of official bootloader unlocking from HTC (even if they wanted to) for the Rezound. Wouldn't be surprised to see something down the road from revolutionary/unrevoked, but I'd like to be able to buy a phone, turn on USB debugging, plug it into my laptop, do a quick 'fastboot oem unlock' and be done with it (nexus).
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The Nexus is a great phone, but again another huge letdown is the SD card slot. I use my phone as my iPod so I need the space for my music collection.
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Google music beta. I've got an invite if you need.

abrin said:
Already polled here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284463
If you hated Sense that much I'm actually pretty surprised you haven't rooted and put on an AOSP ROM. The DINC has had an awesome development community and we've been lucky enough to have a ton of really great ROMs ported for us and we were never tied to waiting for HTC or being stuck with Sense.
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Amen. Your phone is only as smart as you are..
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Me.......,.,.

k_nivesout said:
Google music beta. I've got an invite if you need.
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I had it, used it, uninstalled it. Streaming over 3G isn't that great in spotty coverage, plus I really dislike the app and how it functions, the UI mostly.
The more I think about it though, the more I think 32GB will be enough. I'm leaning towards the Nexus but still going to wait it out. With the prices they're being sold at I don't want to make a choice that I'll end up regretting.

[Q] So how many people on here actually have this phone?

I am just curious, I still have a good 9-10 days to return it and might as well if there is not going to be much dev support because even with this awesome hardware I know LG just plain sucks at software...
We should make a list, if you have one say so just so we can get a count of how many people have them.

whoamanwtf said:
I am just curious, I still have a good 9-10 days to return it and might as well if there is not going to be much dev support because even with this awesome hardware I know LG just plain sucks at software...
We should make a list, if you have one say so just so we can get a count of how many people have them.
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I have it...I am not a dev and don't really care to root my phone...just want the Jelly Bean upgrade I'll be happy with this. Dropped my GSIII the other day...the deductible on the insurance was $199....I had an upgrade was going to get a new GSIII but started reading about this phone so I decided to give a shot...LOVE IT...don't regret getting this over another GSIII...as a matter of fact I like it better. Very happy with it.

I have it. My return deadline is this Friday. Might return it for the Nexus 4. Love the device. At&t wont unlock. Still undecided for now.

*Omnipresent* said:
I have it. My return deadline is this Friday. Might return it for the Nexus 4. Love the device. At&t wont unlock. Still undecided for now.
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This exactly. I think my deadline is the 19th...

I'm not counting on att I'm hoping devs figure it out. But if we have to rely on LG jelly bean may never happen and this bloat is ridiculous, I'm pretty sure they never fixed the G2x only the custom roms did.
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whoamanwtf said:
I'm not counting on att I'm hoping devs figure it out. But if we have to rely on LG jelly bean may never happen and this bloat is ridiculous, I'm pretty sure they never fixed the G2x only the custom roms did.
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The bloat you can fix by rooting and using Titanium Backup. I'm fine with the phone, I just need to know that the bootloader will get unlocked, and there will be dev support. The entire xda section for this phone is dead. Not a good sign.

Exactly my worry, this place is a ghost town. And there is something very wrong with our stock OS. The battery usage is ridiculous and this chip should bench higher too.
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whoamanwtf said:
Exactly my worry, this place is a ghost town. And there is something very wrong with our stock OS. The battery usage is ridiculous and this chip should bench higher too.
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The battery has been up and down for me. Twice I've had something get stuck that killed the battery, once it was the phone, and I hadn't made any calls that day. It was fine after a reboot. The android OS seems to keep it awake a bit much, and the phone is NEVER in deep sleep as much as other devices. Try eco mode?
Also, this thing is benching fine? Same as the Korean version? I posted a bunch of bench screens in the "show homescreen" thread. The N4 was benching horribly last time I was looking at reviews...

Well I guess my only comparison were the 10k quadrants the qualcomm dev system was putting up with this chip. But yeah I mean it is blazing fast, fastest phone I've ever seen... That's why I'm having such a hard time deciding.
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whoamanwtf said:
Well I guess my only comparison were the 10k quadrants the qualcomm dev system was putting up with this chip. But yeah I mean it is blazing fast, fastest phone I've ever seen... That's why I'm having such a hard time deciding.
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This thing with its stock AT&T ICS rom, stock kernel, stock clocks, is benching about the same as my SGS3 was with a Jelly Bean ROM, kernel, and OCed to 1.7ghz. In some cases, its beating it. My friend has the Sprint SGS3 (krait dual core) and I'm obliterating him in benches. Browsermark is about the only thing he's even with.
As a phone, for normal people, is great. I could easily recommend this to friends. Battery life is the only thing we can debate on. For us? We need XDA dev support. I know for myself, I *have* to get back to Jelly Bean, and some form of AOSP rom. (I'm partial to AOKP)
So I have a week to see what's going to happen. Hopefully with the N4 coming out today, we'll see something. If its still a ghost town with no word by next week, I'm going to have to decided to either return it, and save my upgrade or sell it on XDA.

whoamanwtf said:
Well I guess my only comparison were the 10k quadrants the qualcomm dev system was putting up with this chip. But yeah I mean it is blazing fast, fastest phone I've ever seen... That's why I'm having such a hard time deciding.
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That dev board shows what the SoC is capable of, but no way will performance be the same on this. This already has thermal throttling issues, so pushing it too much would be crazy.

*Omnipresent* said:
I have it. My return deadline is this Friday. Might return it for the Nexus 4. Love the device. At&t wont unlock. Still undecided for now.
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Exactly what I'm thinking, not because of dev support, but because there are many little issues I can't deal with with this phone. Either the Nexus 4 or the One X+.

Good luck getting a Nexus anytime soon, I tried AT launch this morning. Some members got some, others like myself spent 20 minutes trying over and over, getting lag and errors until the phone was removed from our carts, and is now sold out.
I tried. I have to return the LGOG by Monday... hopefully something happens by then.

This phone is brand new...you can't expect it to be PERFECT..its pretty close though lol. And all I see is people pointing out the bad. Battery life...you have 4 cores! Your phone isn't gonna get the battery life your used to..and benchmarks? Idk what you guys are pulling but I get 7500+. That's plenty fast for me. And LG is hurting. The OG is gonna make or break them. I think you need to have faith in this manufacturer. Its the first of its kind in the US. Its too big of a deal to not update. Mght be a couple months but for those of you who switch because of locked bootloader will regret with what I believe will come in the future. Jellybean will do wonders for the UI..which is not bad at all...I suggest you give this beast a chance..I don't think you will regret it.
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DynamiteWilly said:
This phone is brand new...you can't expect it to be PERFECT..its pretty close though lol. And all I see is people pointing out the bad. Battery life...you have 4 cores! Your phone isn't gonna get the battery life your used to..and benchmarks? Idk what you guys are pulling but I get 7500+. That's plenty fast for me. And LG is hurting. The OG is gonna make or break them. I think you need to have faith in this manufacturer. Its the first of its kind in the US. Its too big of a deal to not update. Mght be a couple months but for those of you who switch because of locked bootloader will regret with what I believe will come in the future. Jellybean will do wonders for the UI..which is not bad at all...I suggest you give this beast a chance..I don't think you will regret it.
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Sure sure Mr LG employee! I do agree this phone will be the survival or death of their mobile. But my doubts come from owning prior LG devices, their problems were all software and never fixed by LG. It didn't matter though because we had a decent dev community, looked bootloaders though on an LG phone worry the hell out of me. This phone is a beast I love the build quality but I am still sceptical, I'm going to ride this ship though hopefully we steer clear of icebergs!
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I can understand your concerns. I had the same thoughts..I almost considered switching to the one x+, but I would regret it if (and I'm sure it will) upgrade to 4.1 or possibly jb and 4.2. I think this is their changing point.
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I have it
I was rooting for the nexus 4 but when it came out with no lte and no expandable memory I opted for the next best thing at the time which was LG optimus g hoping developement would be therefore it. And thankfully it seems to be the case so :good:!

I have had this device a little over a week and i love it i get way better battery life than i did oit of my atrix 2 and so far nothing i due can produce lag the phone responds as fast as i can touch the screen i love my device i think build quality is second to none and my city launched lte recently so with 40 mb plus download speeds i think this device is supurb i have rooted and installed custom roms on every device i have owned but so far with the optimus g i see no need to my only complaint is the camera i feel it could be better but hey its still a phone !
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I am loving this phone. Its incredibly fast and responsive I have only managed to lag it with Testla LED (oddly Flashlight works fine).
Not a huge fan of LG's UI choice (I would have rather had a dark theme, but its not that big of a deal.) Hopefully we get an official Cyanogen port down the road.
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I just picked up my OG yesterday. This is my first Android phone in awhile. I've previously had a G1 and Sprint HTC Hero. I'm coming from an iPhone 5 I smashed in frustration after dealing with Apple's dumb customer service reps for a week regarding a SIM not valid error after updating to iOS 6.0.1.
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T989 vs Nexus 4g lte

I think its hiliarious but I have this friend who swears that his nexus is far better than my gs2. Yeah I have a slightly lower resolution but thats it. I have a proc that will oc to 1.86ghz, gpu that will oc up to what 320mhz. Oh wait I have an sd card slot whoot. He thinks that benchmarks dont tell the truth about a phone, well thats what they are made for to test, ram, cpu, graphics its all there. I guess you just cant convince everyone. It's funny because he says my phone is old and im not even using JB so that'll make it that much more quick when I upgrade. But what ev's
Just something to talk about, thought it was funny
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timenewton said:
I think its hiliarious but I have this friend who swears that his nexus is far better than my gs2. Yeah I have a slightly lower resolution but thats it. I have a proc that will oc to 1.86ghz, gpu that will oc up to what 320mhz. Oh wait I have an sd card slot whoot. He thinks that benchmarks dont tell the truth about a phone, well thats what they are made for to test, ram, cpu, graphics its all there. I guess you just cant convince everyone. It's funny because he says my phone is old and im not even using JB so that'll make it that much more quick when I upgrade. But what ev's
Just something to talk about, thought it was funny
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I think this phone matches nexus easily in every aspect almost. Nexus is not better. This phone has great developers and there's nothing it can't do that the nexus can.
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richardlibeau said:
I think this phone matches nexus easily in every aspect almost. Nexus is not better. This phone has great developers and there's nothing it can't do that the nexus can.
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Indeed.
Besides, the Nexus 4 thread is actually spammed with people having problems with the phone, phone "breaks" randomly in their pocket, pics of broken Nexus 4s, etc
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I gotta laugh at everyone that said the n4 blowwwwws the t989 out of the water in every way. Lol
First....go to the n4 forum and read the problems people are having.
Second ...a friend of mine got one...I played with it a bit. Severely unimpressed. Sure its speedy....but barely quicker than my t989. The display looks like crap compared to mine. And it simply seems fragile! Very!
I will hold on to my Hercules til it breaks or my contract ends and I feel like replacing it. Maybe. My phone does everything I want it too very well. So until phones will do my dishes and tune up my car....I'll maybe stick with what I got. Lol
As far as the n4 goes.....I doubt I'd even trade my phone for it. Actually ....no....I wouldn't.

Technical inferiority. It's sad that people have a right to have their own opinions. This thread is hilarious. Please, lets get some more xda noobs in here to cry some more.
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RushAOZ said:
Technical inferiority. It's sad that people have a right to have their own opinions. This thread is hilarious. Please, lets get some more xda noobs in here to cry some more.
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TOO FUNNY!!! LMAO......LET'S GET SOME MORE NOOBS IN HERE TO CRY SOME MORE.....PRICELESS!!!
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Had a T989 but switched to Nexus 4 and believe me this phone is better in every way... screen, battery life, look and feel, great build quality, super fast and smooth, the two gigs of ram makes multitasking a joy, and I don't have to wait for xda developers to bring me the latest updates... all I can say is get you one
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Galaxy S2 is a typical Samsung POS, the Nexus 4 is more akin in design to an iPhone. In other words, its insanely awesome
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lonz358 said:
Had a T989 but switched to Nexus 4 and believe me this phone is better in every way... screen, battery life, look and feel, great build quality, super fast and smooth, the two gigs of ram makes multitasking a joy, and I don't have to wait for xda developers to bring me the latest updates... all I can say is get you one
Think I will ask Santa to bring me one.......NOT!!! Maybe a Lexus but not a Nexus!!!!
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RushAOZ said:
Technical inferiority. It's sad that people have a right to have their own opinions. This thread is hilarious. Please, lets get some more xda noobs in here to cry some more.
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Lol. Where's your n4 then?
What a Dink! Lol
If XDA frowns upon opinions....let them say so....otherwise shhhhh. Wow!
P.s. the only crying I've seen in this thread is from you....crying about noobs and their inferior opinions. Lol

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lonz358 said:
Think I will ask Santa to bring me one.......NOT!!!
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Seriously though to each his own I like sg2 thats just my preference.. Some like htc and motorola phones to me most of them are ugly damn phones but just my opinion. You like what you want as long as your happy with it right? That"s all that counts in the end of the battle of the phones. I am happy with my hercules for now!!!

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Seriously though to each his own I like sg2 thats just my preference.. Some like htc and motorola phones to me most of them are ugly damn phones but just my opinion. You like what you want as long as your happy with it right? That"s all that counts in the end of the battle of the phones. I am happy with my hercules for now!!!
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+1. Well put!!

kj2112 said:
Lol. Where's your n4 then?
What a Dink! Lol
If XDA frowns upon opinions....let them say so....otherwise shhhhh. Wow!
P.s. the only crying I've seen in this thread is from you....crying about noobs and their inferior opinions. Lol
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I'm patiently waiting for shipping orders to finish. Then I'm selling this t989 and jumping ship back onto the Nexus. As far as what the guy up top said about development on the Nexus, clearly he's new to XDA. No phone has more dev support than the Nexus line does. In fact, much of your favorite AOSP roms were built and first released on Nexus devices. Not only that but Nexus devices always get Google's newest OS' first. The t989 doesn't even have full Jelly Bean GPU driver support.. you guys don't even know what project butter truly is yet.
Second, the t989s dual core s3/adreno 220 SoC cannot in anyway whatsoever compete with the quad s4 pro/adreno 320 SoC. You can clock this phone as high as you want and score 9000 on antutu and its still not enough to beat the 13,000 the s4 pro SoC averages.. and that's on stock builds.
Third, if you say the 720p IPS display isn't better than the 480p over saturated SAMOLED display on the t989, clearly you're either blind or couldn't tell a good display if one took a dump on your eyeballs. While blacks will never be as deep, color reproduction is much better on the Nexus 4. And if Voodoo follows suit like on the other Nexus devices, well be able to tweak and calibrate the screen to our will.
Battery life? Nexus 4 wins hands down. Build quality? The t989 looks like crap compared to the Nexus 4.
Working for T-Mobile, I've already played with about 4 Nexus 4s. They're beautiful devices. Super fast and smooth.
Now stop hating and come back to reality. This phone wasn't even better than the other GSIIs, let alone any flagship device released this year. We can all use the "my phone does everything well" excuse but frankly, so can my old single core Nexus S.
With that being said, you kids can continue making up all sorts of crazyness up in trying to justify your purchase over a brand new handset that's better in every conceivable way. It makes for some great comedy.
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Don't take it so personal is all. No one was "crying" and some don't need the fastest phone on earth to be perfectly happy.
Seems the phone crowd has some min/maxers....which is fine ...their choice. I don't have a top of the line gaming computer either....my laptop "does what I want it to do" just fine. Just like my Hercules.
I will be keeping this phone for some time. I could buy an n4, or anything else for that matter, tomorrow .....but I feel no need to. That's me. Maybe not you.
Can't we all use whatever phone we want without the hate?
Read the n4 forum....many....many people saying the same things I said about the n4....I didnt make a call tho....so guess I missed out on hearing the buzzing everyone is excited about! Lol. Bottom line....for me.....never bought an LG product I was happy with.
Take care dude....guess you'll be off to live in the n4 forums!

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Don't take it so personal is all. No one was "crying" and some don't need the fastest phone on earth to be perfectly happy.
Seems the phone crowd has some min/maxers....which is fine ...their choice. I don't have a top of the line gaming computer either....my laptop "does what I want it to do" just fine. Just like my Hercules.
I will be keeping this phone for some time. I could buy an n4, or anything else for that matter, tomorrow .....but I feel no need to. That's me. Maybe not you.
Can't we all use whatever phone we want without the hate?
Read the n4 forum....many....many people saying the same things I said about the n4....I didnt make a call tho....so guess I missed out on hearing the buzzing everyone is excited about! Lol. Bottom line....for me.....never bought an LG product I was happy with.
Take care dude....guess you'll be off to live in the n4 forums!
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Well see, your opinion makes sense. I can dig that. Unfortunately that's not the OPs reasoning as he full out stated that the t989 is better. You can be happy with whatever device you want. You can't take that away from anyone. But facts are facts. And this device doesn't come anywhere close to a Nexus 4. That's all I'm saying.
Anyways this thread is troll bait. Someone close it lol
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Nice! Lol. Telling people in the n4 forum to come troll this thread!
Enjoy your n4....don't drop it 3 feet tho....heard bad things will happen! Lol

kj2112 said:
Nice! Lol. Telling people in the n4 forum to come troll this thread!
Enjoy your n4....don't drop it 3 feet tho....heard bad things will happen! Lol
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I won't. I haven't even dropped my t989 once in the 9 months I've had it. Don't jinx me though! And yea I told them to troll. This thread is troll bait. Thought it would make for a good show > haha
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kj2112 said:
Nice! Lol. Telling people in the n4 forum to come troll this thread!
Enjoy your n4....don't drop it 3 feet tho....heard bad things will happen! Lol
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Dropped it twice, waist high, No problems here seriously it's a phone with glass, just like the t989(don't think the t989 has gorilla glass 2 though) but if your not careful its going to break like every other phone.
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As a former T989 owner and a current nexus 4 owner, this thread makes me laugh (and I was running AOKP jellybean on mine). Don't get me wrong, I loved my hercules and it is still a great phone, but let's be realistic here. The nexus 4 is hands down a better device in almost every way possible.
Screen
The display is far from "carp". Yes, if you are used to AMOLED displays (like the one on the T989), you will initially find the colors to be "washed out". But in reality, this is because AMOLED screens have grossly over-saturated and unrealistic colors. The blacks are not as deep as AMOLED but they are damn close (again this is due to the nature of IPS displays). Nexus 4 screen is much much sharper, the whites are actually white (and not blue like the one on the T989) and colors are more natural. There is a reason why most reviewers rate is as one of the best displays on any phone. IMO, there is no competition here.
Performance
Again, there is a big difference here (even with JB on the T989). Nexus 4 is smoother and snappier in general use. But heavy usage like gaming is where the biggest difference lies. As for benchmarks, the lower than expected scores are due to benchmark programs not being optimised for 4.2 (go see the difference between the new and old version of Antutu). And honestly, in reality, benchmarks don't mean s***. All I need to know is that this phone handles everything I throw at it without any hiccups and certainly much better than the T989. If you think that a two gen old dual core with 1 Gb ram preforms as a well as the current top end quad core with twice the ram, you are delusional.
Storage and battery
Storage is the only area where T989 has an advantage with its micro sd slot. If you are the type of person that needs to store all of your life on your phone then nexus 4 is not for you. Personally, I barely store anything on my phone (I had used up only about 4 gb of the internal space on my t989) as everything is on the cloud, so even the 8GB nexus 4 is more than enough. Again this is a personal thing so it's a disadvantage for some people but not others.
Battery life for me has been much better on the nexus 4 than on the t989. Obviously, everyone's usage is different so this will vary from person to person, but I'm extremely happy with mine.
Build quality
Here again, there is no competition. The nexus 4 has a much more solid build and has a very premium feel to it. My T989's plastic back started to creak like crazy just after a few days of owning it and it drove me crazy. I thought I was using a low-end entry level device rather than a premium product.
Yes the nexus has a glass back and yes glass cracks when you drop it...who knew huh? So if you are the type to drop your phone frequently, don't buy it or just get a case for it, end of story.
As for the problems being reported, very few newly released devices are without issues and this is a fact. T989 had it's fair share of problems, some of which have still not been fixed till this day (sticky power button anyone?). If you are someone who can't handle even a minor problem with your device, than a newly released phone is not for you (whether it be a nexus 4 or something else). And let's not forget that problems reported on online forums can be blown out of proportion. After all, only those who have issues are going to complain, while those without issues will probably remain silent. Personally, my nexus 4 is flawless, except for the slight static/buzzing problem from the earpiece reported by many people. However, this noise is very faint and inaudible during calls, so this is a non-issue for me. I'm confident that google will fix the issue and when they do, I will ask them to send me a replacement. After all, that's what the warranty is there for. In the mean time, I'm really enjoying owning this phone over my t989.
Oh and let's not forget about the pure android experience and the fact that you will get updates as soon as google releases them. Even if you are into modding, the nexus is the best phone for that as well as its modding community has always been the strongest out of any android phone. You guys really need to step back and look at things objectively here. As someone who has owned and lived with both phones, I can tell you that there is no competition between the two.