So many people already unlocked, so having all those unlock codes, doesn't it allow to create an unlock tool that wouldn't require htcdev?
schriss said:
So many people already unlocked, so having all those unlock codes, doesn't it allow to create an unlock tool that wouldn't require htcdev?
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No. Unlocking the baseband to accept other networks is completely different than unlocking the bootloader and getting it into S-OFF mode.
Talking about unlocking bootloader without htcdev.com
Simple answer NO - there is no other way atm.
there may be in the future tho. its gonna take some time.
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Talking about unlocking bootloader without htcdev.com
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I know. You can't do it at the moment. If you mean SIM unlock codes then they're not for the same thing. If you mean the htcdev unlock token then no again as they're specific for your phone and requires you to upload a unique phone identifier first. Nobody except HTC knows how to generate the bootloader unlock tokens at the moment and it won't give you S-OFF even if you did.
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So many people already unlocked, so having all those unlock codes, doesn't it allow to create an unlock tool that wouldn't require htcdev?
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I guess you mean create some sort of key generator for the unlock code. Seems a reasonable idea to me but I, unfortunately, don't have the skills.
We would have to gather information from a number of devices ie. Unlock_code.bin and the corresponding device data (whatever that is exactly) for somebody to work with.
bobsie41 said:
I guess you mean create some sort of key generator for the unlock code. Seems a reasonable idea to me but I, unfortunately, don't have the skills.
We would have to gather information from a number of devices ie. Unlock_code.bin and the corresponding device data (whatever that is exactly) for somebody to work with.
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Exactly. Many people would like to unlock while keeping warranty. I personally do not care about S-Off, what I want is to be able to flash custom ROM and still have warranty, I think that's what most users want.
I personally will probably go with htcdev, but depending which is easier to do: S-Off or unlock generator, that's where it would make sense to focus development on.
No skills here either :-( Just an idea.
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Exactly. Many people would like to unlock while keeping warranty. I personally do not care about S-Off, what I want is to be able to flash custom ROM and still have warranty, I think that's what most users want.
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You want S-OFF if so. If you unlock using the htcdev bootloader unlock token then it'll be unlocked which is fine. The problem is if you want to relock it again for warranty which is done with a fastboot command. It will go to the RELOCKED state instead of back to LOCKED so it will be clear that you've messed with the bootloader.
Creating a generator for the unlock tokens by inspecting known tokens isn't going to be easy. It is highly likely that HTC are using public key cryptography here as most manufacturers have moved towards that for security.
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Whatever happened with HTC saying it would unlock all bootloaders moving forward?
Has this happened?
Also, I'm hearing that some phones are now coming out with locking devices that you need a special tool to use to even use it, to try and stop rooting.
Is that true?
mcwups1 said:
Whatever happened with HTC saying it would unlock all bootloaders moving forward?
Has this happened?
Also, I'm hearing that some phones are now coming out with locking devices that you need a special tool to use to even use it, to try and stop rooting.
Is that true?
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They're keeping their word. They have a tool called HTCdev unlock. HTC dev unlock s-on unlocks your bootloader not s-off tho. Theyre trying to get each device supported as soon as they're released. As long as your phone is supported by HTC dev unlock you can still root it or if there's a exploit out for your phone
From my Mikrunny 4g using XDA app
As the title says,
is this possible yet (or is anyone working on this??)
Haven't found anything about this (just some old topics from 2012.)
>edit: If not, is a root without htcdev possible?
- Matt
Nope, you need to unlock bootloader first to gain root access to your phone!
To do that, you need the unlock_code.bin file from htcdev.com
I don't think it's possible to do it any other way
I'm not able to unlock from HTCdev.com
vin4yak said:
Nope, you need to unlock bootloader first to gain root access to your phone!
To do that, you need the unlock_code.bin file from htcdev.com
I don't think it's possible to do it any other way
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I don't know what is the problem but I'm not getting the key while unlocking the phone.I have unlocked several devices in past 2 yrs & experienced enough to understand what i'm doing.
Belive me I've tried every method they've given,even the tool for htc did not work.My s3,note 2 , previous nexus s ,galaxy s2,optimus all the devices i've unlocked & used custom roms..but not this one
Hello, i have a HTC One M9 and I want unlock bootloader without htcdev with sunshine app. But if I use sunshine app i need root my phone and unlock my bootloader with htcdev. But it void the warranty. So how to root my phone without unlocking bootloader?
This is a vicious circle! :crying:
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Hello, i have a HTC One M9 and I want unlock bootloader without htcdev with sunshine app. But if I use sunshine app i need root my phone and unlock my bootloader with htcdev. But it void the warranty. So how to root my phone without unlocking bootloader?
This is a vicious circle! :crying:
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their are ways to return the phone to it's out of box factory state, so it looks like it was never rooted
HTCdev.com do not log your usage and deny you repair for requesting an unlock. Their is no proof you ever used it.
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their are ways to return the phone to it's out of box factory state, so it looks like it was never rooted
HTCdev.com do not log your usage and deny you repair for requesting an unlock. Their is no proof you ever used it.
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HTC does track that. If you unlocked the bootloader, they know about it.
All they know is you asked for a unlock code. They have no way to prove that you used it.
If you return the phone to it's original state. Theirs nothing they can do.
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HTC does track that. If you unlocked the bootloader, they know about it.
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I don't know if it's as cut & dried as that. Like clsA said, they don't know whether or not you used the unlock token.
HTC's FAQ references the warranty implications and the warranty issue is also referenced in their explanation about unlock vs S-ON/OFF.
From my reading of their explanations, unlocking does not automatically mean warranty claims will be rejected. It simply adds an additional element to the process of determining whether or not the issue is HTC's responsibility or the user's.
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I don't know if it's as cut & dried as that. Like clsA said, they don't know whether or not you used the unlock token.
HTC's FAQ references the warranty implications and the warranty issue is also referenced in their explanation about unlock vs S-ON/OFF.
From my reading of their explanations, unlocking does not automatically mean warranty claims will be rejected. It simply adds an additional element to the process of determining whether or not the issue is HTC's responsibility or the user's.
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True. But they told me that I would need to send it in if I had any issues, then they would determine if I caused it by unlocking the bootloader or not. (like you said).
I've never made a warranty claim with HTC before, but my guess is that while they'd need the phone to be sent in, they would be looking for physical proof that its bootloader was unlocked. I suppose they might ask you directly if they look at the HTCdev request record, but more likely they'd just check the phone itself.
I'm afraid you probably can't avoid unlocking the bootloader via HTCdev - modders aren't going to spend time on a new method when HTC is being so accommodating. On the flip side, their friendly stance towards modders indicates that they aren't necessarily looking to give them a bum rap.
aooga said:
True. But they told me that I would need to send it in if I had any issues, then they would determine if I caused it by unlocking the bootloader or not. (like you said).
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So basically you trust what HTC told you instead of what you learned here on XDA ?
Maybe HTC will tell you how to S-Off and reset your phone to Stock also
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So basically you trust what HTC told you instead of what you learned here on XDA ?
Maybe HTC will tell you how to S-Off and reset your phone to Stock also
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Uh, yes? lol. I would trust what they said (and my experience) over XDA. Even if I reset all the flags, in their system, it showed my phone as being unlocked. I chatted with about 3 people and they all said the same thing.
aooga said:
Uh, yes? lol. I would trust what they said (and my experience) over XDA. Even if I reset all the flags, in their system, it showed my phone as being unlocked. I chatted with about 3 people and they all said the same thing.
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Maybe @nkk71 or @alray can explain it to you better
aooga said:
Uh, yes? lol. I would trust what they said (and my experience) over XDA. Even if I reset all the flags, in their system, it showed my phone as being unlocked. I chatted with about 3 people and they all said the same thing.
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Maybe @nkk71 or @alray can explain it to you better
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i bought a pack of condoms two days ago (actually it was a carton) at the pharmacy not online .... so i have 240 condoms available, and i've used them all up
basically, what i'm saying, it just i bought a pack of condoms.... can you prove i used them
**theoretically** HTCSync Manager, and the CheckinProvidor apk could in **theory** could dial home" and report it, .... still whether true or not, htcdev unlock, is not only as vague as vague can be, but it does say "it may void warranty"... it does not say it voids it defacto (especially if it's a hardware problem)
anyway, TL;DR what this was about anyway.... but if i can that many boxes at the pharmacy, it must be true
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i bought a pack of condoms two days ago (actually it was a carton) at the pharmacy not online .... so i have 240 condoms available, and i've used them all up
basically, what i'm saying, it just i bought a pack of condoms.... can you prove i used them
**theoretically** HTCSync Manager, and the CheckinProvidor apk could in **theory** could dial home" and report it, .... still whether true or not, htcdev unlock, is not only as vague as vague can be, but it does say "it may void warranty"... it does not say it voids it defacto (especially if it's a hardware problem)
anyway, TL;DR what this was about anyway.... but if i can that many boxes at the pharmacy, it must be true
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Yeah, I get both of your points. I would think the same exact thing too. Especially if I have a custom rom, there theoretically should be no way for them to prove that I USED the token, just that I got the token.
Based on my experience with HTC support (HORRIBLE), I wouldn't be surprised if they just charge you if you got the key.
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Yeah, I get both of your points. I would think the same exact thing too. Especially if I have a custom rom, there theoretically should be no way for them to prove that I USED the token, just that I got the token.
Based on my experience with HTC support (HORRIBLE), I wouldn't be surprised if they just charge you if you got the key.
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I can speak from personal experience that HTC will not deny service simply because you unlocked. I s-off'd and modded my M7 to hell and back, and they still fixed the pink camera defect for free.
From what I have heard from over the years, HTC may have some undisclosed methods of knowing when the bootloader has been unlocked, even when the phone has been restored to bone stock. Whether this is true, I cannot say, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. HTC's historic friendliness toward modding may well be in part because they know they can tell when you've screwed things up on your own.
So if i ask the token from htcdev and i don't use, void the warranty? But i don't use.
But if i use the token and unlock my bootloader and i buy a s-off and set back the flag: Locked , void the warranty?
I have my Verizon pixel xl unlocked with the sunshine mod from when I first got it. Can I relock the bootloader without the oem unlock setting being greyed out so I can unlock it in the future?
According to jcase, no.
http://theroot.ninja/depixel8.html said:
DO NOT RELOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER, unless you have restored it back to 100% stock and are sure you won't want it unlocked again.
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Why do you want to relock it anyways?
fiveighteen said:
According to jcase, no.
Why do you want to relock it anyways?
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While jcase was against it, after I have done my research, I attempted relocking my Verizon bootloader so I could send it out for RMA. I did it after I flashed the original factory image and made sure everything is back to OEM. So, I can tell you that it is possible. However, PLEASE don't take my words for it. Do your research and be 110% sure before you proceed. My heart was pounding so hard when I was trying to relock it because of the uncertainty... Anyway, do it at your own risk, I am just sharing you my experience, but please don't blame me if things go south
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While jcase was against it, after I have done my research, I attempted relocking my Verizon bootloader so I could send it out for RMA. I did it after I flashed the original factory image and made sure everything is back to OEM. So, I can tell you that it is possible. However, PLEASE don't take my words for it. Do your research and be 110% sure before you proceed. My heart was pounding so hard when I was trying to relock it because of the uncertainty... Anyway, do it at your own risk, I am just sharing you my experience, but please don't blame me if things go south
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Did you hit the slider too?
Were you able to unlock it again...if you tried?
Just curious and gathering info.....
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Did you hit the slider too?
Were you able to unlock it again...if you tried?
Just curious and gathering info.....
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If by slider, you meant to ask if I locked it again, yes I did. I believe I relock it through fastboot.
There was really no point for me to unlock it again because I needed to send it for RMA so I never tried.
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Did you hit the slider too?
Were you able to unlock it again...if you tried?
Just curious and gathering info.....
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If you unlock it and your already updated you won't be able to unlock again.
Haven't personally tried but I would be willing to bet a large sum of money if you relock it you will not be able to unlock it again I wouldn't even take the risk.
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Haven't personally tried but I would be willing to bet a large sum of money if you relock it you will not be able to unlock it again I wouldn't even take the risk.
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I made the mistake of relocking and taking new updates. For sure, the unlock option was removed:
in first step of unlocking phone, the slider in Dev Options was forever greyed out. And it did not understand
fastboot unlock commands again. I would not recommend relocking Pixels for any reason other than return for
warranty repair.
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I made the mistake of relocking and taking new updates. For sure, the unlock option was removed:
in first step of unlocking phone, the slider in Dev Options was forever greyed out. And it did not understand
fastboot unlock commands again. I would not recommend relocking Pixels for any reason other than return for
warranty repair.
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Locking on anything stock past 7.1 without root, would prohibit you from unlocking. If locking your BL + and no root capability = NO ability to unlock BL Thus what we have have So far, no known exploits...at least by me.
a) There is no logical reason to bootloader lock a phone. You will gain nothing.
b) If you lock it there is a high probability you won't ever be able to bootloader unlock it again - no more mods - ever.
EDIT: Perhaps if you flash the "correct stock" meaning one like/identical to the one that you originally had on your phone when you unlocked it the first time, it will work...
Think about this, please, before you flash things!!!
Do you refer to lock and unlock the bootloader? I locked and unlocked it much times and I've never had problems (obviously considering the bootloader version).
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Do you refer to lock and unlock the bootloader? I locked and unlocked it much times and I've never had problems (obviously considering the bootloader version).
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Thanks for replying - could you perhaps write a guide as to exactly how you unlock your bl after using fastboot lock?
I have seen a few folks who appear stuck at that point and I and they would be happy campers if they could get around that!!!
Thanks!
EDIT: I added a comment about "correct stock" to the first post... This may be key to the folks that are having trouble...
You might look at thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/help/please-help-urgently-t3814260
But I guess I would have to call anyone who successfully locks and unlocks again their bootloader as darn lucky. Some, (many?) can't.
In the end I still have to ask "why the heck are you locking your phone" - what could you possibly gain? It's totally unnecessary. it can be a very expensive little line of code.
I lock my phone all the time, multiple times per day even! It's really easy to unlock: I simply put my finger on the sensor and voila!
Maybe you mean the bootloader? That would be a helpful little detail to add to the title of your post.
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I lock my phone all the time, multiple times per day even! It's really easy to unlock: I simply put my finger on the sensor and voila!
Maybe you mean the bootloader? That would be a helpful little detail to add to the title of your post.
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LOL - right! Thanks!!!
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I've locked mine as I upgraded to a Pixel 2 XL and gave my Z Play to my father, so I don't really care if I can't unlock it again, but I'm sure that wouldn't be an issue anyway.
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I've locked mine as I upgraded to a Pixel 2 XL and gave my Z Play to my father, so I don't really care if I can't unlock it again, but I'm sure that wouldn't be an issue anyway.
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How's the 2xl?
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KrisM22 said:
a) There is no logical reason to bootloader lock a phone. You will gain nothing.
b) If you lock it there is a high probability you won't ever be able to bootloader unlock it again - no more mods - ever.
EDIT: Perhaps if you flash the "correct stock" meaning one like/identical to the one that you originally had on your phone when you unlocked it the first time, it will work...
Think about this, please, before you flash things!!!
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I prefer stock without modifications but sometimes when i have time to try news modifications or roms i used to unlocked the phone and after this relock again, the process that i use is very simple, i just unlock with the same code that Motorola gaves to unlock bootloader, i don't have sure but if you request unlock codes to many times can be a problem but i use the same code and works good.
Basically: relock as are specifcified in another topic in this device forum( using the last stock version that you used)
And after this unlock with code again
Obs.: Is not recommended to unlock/relock to many times.
Obs2.: I only did this three times and i don't know if has a limit
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It is my opinion also that relocking is a bad idea. But if someone likes to do it, eg to get Google Pay working without Magisk, why do you want to warn him?
Relock only is possible in combination with flashing a complete correctly firmware. If something is wrong with the firmware you flash, relocking won't succeed. Your device won't be locked if it does not fully succeed or the firmware is not correctly signed. The unlock code is supposed to stay valid, you should be able to unlock your device as many times as you want using the same code.
a) is fine, but does not consider Android SafetyNet
b) is just wrong, and this already was written in a comment.
Please do not bump wrong warnings.