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my Carbon Fiber vinyl wrapped Atrix 4G

Well, after as much as I loved my Samsung Captivate that I had previously wrapped in 3M Di-Noc Carbon Fiber vinyl, I decided to wrap the front and sides of my Atrix, as well as modify the back of it a bit. Here's the work done:
Wrap the entire front panel using one solid piece of vinyl, pre-cut prior to installation using templates - including the cut outs!
Cut out out the front camera hole, the speaker, the proximity sensor, ambient light sensor, and the status indicator light - then trimmed down the bottom with the microphone port - all prior to installation so as not to scratch the screen!
Wrapped over the excess on the sides to enable a better grip of the phone since the 3M Di-Noc material is TEXTURED just like real carbon fiber, then cut a relief cut on the edge of the screen so the vinyl could wrap successfully around the edge, went around it a bunch with the heat gun to seal it all up
Cut out the volume buttons but left the panel over them - we'll see how long it lasts in my pocket, but I heated it pretty well to ensure it wouldn't lift....
Wet sanded the back cover to remove the AT&T logo, the "HD VIDEO" text by the camera, and the word "blur" next to the Motorola logo for the ultimate in clean....
And now for the pics......
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You can see higher resolution pics by going to my album on Picasa:
https://picasaweb.google.com/garciam25/MotorolaAtrix4G3MDiNocCarbonFiber#
Now remember.... I am not taking any commissions on doing this to your phone, sorry.... the other vinyls available on eBay will just have to do because this stuff is too expensive and this was too time consuming to do for any customer, plus, I am NOT soliciting my services on here to do it, so don't ask! I do this professionally and install the material, I do NOT sell it for you to buy. Google it if you want this for yourself, but expect to spend well over the 2 hours this took me to do if you don't have any experience. Don't forget your heat gun and X-Acto knife with lots of fresh blades!
Again, all the buttons function exactly as they did from the factory. I have NO issues with this, so don't try and bash this concept because you think the buttons don't work - if they didn't work, I wouldn't leave this on! FUNCTION over FORM
What do you think? Better looking that my Captivate? Yeah, I think so too.... I am a carbon fiber junkie - if this isn't your thing, that's okay! I appreciate you being able to appreciate my hard work on the day after this phone was officially released!

That looks sick bro. I'm assuming it's 3m Di-noc film. Can you see the touch buttons when they are lit up through the vinyl?

Veeeery nice! Wish I had the patience.

loztboy said:
That looks sick bro. I'm assuming it's 3m Di-noc film. Can you see the touch buttons when they are lit up through the vinyl?
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It sure is 3M - first line of the original post - and no, you cannot see the softkeys. I liked my Captivate that way, especially since I used NoLED and it required you to hit the Home key in order to bring up the screen if you had received a text, email, missed call, etc, as the power button didn't work any longer. With this phone, I guess my security is a little tougher with a fingerprint scanner!
Thanks for the compliments! First day "road testing" it with my younger cousin messing with it and she went out to buy one with me after 5 minutes of messing with it, so I guess it didn't hinder much of the stock capabilities, haha

Really like the clean look on the back after you wetsanded the logo off. I'm definitely going to attempt this myself, I hope it turns out just as nice!

looks good.
any advice for trying to do the back cover? I can't get it to wrap nicely on the corners. It just seems too thick to properly pull cleanly over the rounded bits.

LaZ8787 said:
Really like the clean look on the back after you wetsanded the logo off. I'm definitely going to attempt this myself, I hope it turns out just as nice!
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I used 2000 grit and a decent amount of water from the faucet. Just take your time and remember - NEVER press too hard when wetsanding. The whole point of using such fine paper is to let the grit do the work when it's good and ready, not pressing too hard that it burns up the material you are sanding! Good luck!
cegna09 said:
looks good.
any advice for trying to do the back cover? I can't get it to wrap nicely on the corners. It just seems too thick to properly pull cleanly over the rounded bits.
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Heat gun. I could have done the back too, but I liked how it came out so far and I love the cool home desktop "dock" I have, which is more of a stand with a cord to plug in manually. The material will bend around just about anything, as evidenced by the fact that I bent the material 90 degrees around the two sides of the phone, as I applied heat to it very carefully.
Post your pics when you get stuck or done with it, I'll see if I can help remotely, haha! Just cut more than you need so you have something to grip onto, heat smoothly and evenly, do NOT overheat the vinyl, and pull it straight around the corners and edges. It can EASILY stretch too far and ruin the natural looking 2 x 2 weave of the carbon, and then you mind as well just have bought the cheap stuff....

Very nice I love carbon fiber as well
can you at least post instructions on how to remove the blur and HD logo on the back please.

RacecarBMW said:
Very nice I love carbon fiber as well
can you at least post instructions on how to remove the blur and HD logo on the back please.
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I kind of did in my last post, the post above yours, but I'll add a few things for those completely new to wet sanding altogether. As with anything, read through ALL the steps before you get so excited you'll have a phone rid of that blasted AT&T branding - inside AND out!
Things you'll need (not in bullet format because there's only three) - 2000 grit sandpaper that clearly states on it that it can be used for wet sanding, a sink with adjustable spray pressure levels, and patience!!! Wet sanding is probably the easiest way to sand, but you have to know what you're doing so as not to ruin the material you are protecting with the addition of water to the normal sanding process. If we tried this without sanding, it would require a good amount of buffing afterwards -that is, if we didn't burn right through the top, protective layer of the panel, the glossy part above the fake carbon fiber pattern!
Most important step of all - TAKE OFF THE BATTERY COVER BEFORE STARTING WORK!!!! I hope no one misses this step.....
Tear off a piece of sandpaper about 1" by 3" - the width of the paper should be around 3" so just cut or tear by folding a few times the 1" section. If you bought a square piece, grab some scissors and cut this size out.
Turn on the faucet to more than a drip and less than medium pressure. You want a steady stream but not too heavy pressure.
Hold the back panel so you can angle it such that the water runs on to it and off of it ONLY on the spots you will be sanding off! Now re-read what I just said - don't soak the whole thing in the water, just make the line of water hit the AT&T logo (or whatever else you're sanding off) and run off, not onto everything on the panel!
The water will rush off the panel because of how smooth it is. That's cool, with your other hand, rub the water onto the soon-to-be-removed logo, I use my thumb to utilize the most surface area.
Hold the paper in your hand such that the finger you are most comfortable with applying light pressure with is holding a 1" x 1" square at the end of the 3" section - this can be your thumb as it is in my case or your pointer and middle fingers together. Either way you feel comfortable NOT pressing down too hard, the better. Sometimes I've seen people not able to control the level of pressure their thumb emits, so I've told them to use their fingers instead and it has worked better for them.
Be aware of where the paper is in your hands in relation to the back panel. The reason I said to cut such a small piece is that anything bigger can "get away from you." You can easily let the paper grind up against other spots of the panel, ones that AREN'T being protected by the water! You might get the AT&T logo off, but your friends will all be saying "what happened here??" when they see a mistake.....
Wet the sandpaper thoroughly and then L I G H T L Y rub a section of the sandpaper onto the logo in a circle pattern while you alternate between 1 second under the stream of water and 3 seconds out of water. DO NOT go up and down, left and right, etc! Let the paper do the work for you and rub it every so gently.... The grit is actually strong enough to burn right through the logo and ruin the fake carbon fiber pattern below, so the lighter you press, the better chance you have of making the paper burn off just the logo and not the pattern below. You don't have to worry about JUST sanding off the logo and not touching the material - small circles about 1CM in diameter will work just fine and the water will protect the material from scratches - so don't be SO precise as to what you're sanding here!
Keep applying water! Keep up the pattern of 1 second under / 3 seconds out of water. You want it to get enough moisture between the sand paper and the material so that it doesn't scratch up the protection on the cover. Don't be afraid, as if you keep enough water between the two, you'll get it off in no time.
A Warning from Captain Obvious - items that have a lot of paint, like the Motorola logo, will take longer to remove than thin lettering like the "HD VIDEO" text! That means you have to ensure you're not burning off the protective layer below when you're sanding longer!
Once you're done with removing all that you want to remove, ensure that there aren't any traces of paint left on the outside cover by using water and / or a wet paper towel or napkin. You're not DRYING the piece just yet, you're making sure there aren't anything left on the panel that can be abrasive BEFORE drying it!
Dry the panel completely. You can do this with cool air like from a compressor (best option) or hair dryer on the cold setting, leaving outside NOT in the sun but in an area that wind blows, leaving it out to dry indoors for an hour, or a terry cloth or paper towel (both are last resort options because they can scratch up your nice work even if you don't think there's any chance they can). The point is.... give it some time to ENSURE it is dry before reinstalling it!!!
Inspect the panel. If you see some areas that look burned up or scratched, grab a clean, wet paper towel or napkin and gently rub over it. Then dry again, and then start using your fingers to rub over it and smooth it all out. You'll be surprised to see that some "blemishes" are just the oil from your skin or residue from the cleaning process!
Slap that sucker back together and post your pics!
Any questions, of course, post them here!

thanks so much! i was going to ask you for some advice. but no need now. thank you for being so thorough.

another method to remove the logo is to use a penny. took me about a minute and didnt scratch the surface.
where do you get the 3m tape? have you thought about putting it on the back cover to give it more grip?

Gonna have to try this! Thanks for the detailed instructions also! That'll prove to be very resourceful when i do this for my Atrix!

neotekz said:
another method to remove the logo is to use a penny. took me about a minute and didnt scratch the surface.
where do you get the 3m tape? have you thought about putting it on the back cover to give it more grip?
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The best place to get it from (cheap plug for the awesome staff over there) is Carbon Fiber Gear's sister website, CarbonFiberFilm.com - best prices hands down!
Someone asked earlier HOW to do the back, and I guess I didn't get into WHY I didn't do the back on mine. I kinda like the tacky fake carbon on the back of the phone! Plus, with wet sanding, it gives it a TINY bit more grip, but then again, think about where you grip the phone anyways - the sides. These sides are wrapped and have tons more grip, so I haven't dropped it since I pulled it out of the box.... a couple times.... haha!
TfzSCVang said:
Gonna have to try this! Thanks for the detailed instructions also! That'll prove to be very resourceful when i do this for my Atrix!
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You're welcome, good luck and post pics when you're done!

LaZ8787 said:
Really like the clean look on the back after you wetsanded the logo off. I'm definitely going to attempt this myself, I hope it turns out just as nice!
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Just scratch it off with a penny, took 5 seconds.

Tennis11 said:
Just scratch it off with a penny, took 5 seconds.
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another recommend on the penny method, literally took me less than 1 minute to remove "hd video, at&t, and blur", left the moto logo on there.

I couldn't get the lock and power logos off the top of the cover. I think they're different paint.

i just got the tape and cant seem to figure out how to make the outline for the sides.
i did the battery cover by putting the tape on first and then cut the holes after but i cant do that with the sides and dont want to scratch the phone.

neotekz said:
i just got the tape and cant seem to figure out how to make the outline for the sides.
i did the battery cover by putting the tape on first and then cut the holes after but i cant do that with the sides and dont want to scratch the phone.
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Just PM'd you about the same question you asked here - there isn't an outline or template you need to make first, you cut the vinyl once it is heated ON the phone, not beforehand, using an X-Acto

i just finished. i found an easy way of making an outline for the sides. i put teh tape on and then take it off which leaves a good impression of all the holes and made it easy to cut.
here's teh finished product, i did the sides and battery cover as well as my candyshell case. thanks for the great idea GarciaM25

Looking GOOD! I love that you took my idea and went one step further with the outer case! Awesome job, seriously!!!

Galaxy S3 Cracked Glass (Read this if it has happened to you!)

Ok everybody, the purpose of this thread is to dispel the MYTH that you can not replace just the front glass. Good news for my brethren who as I, have learned that Gorilla Glass hardly deserves the moniker.
My phone was dropped from a height of less than three feet with a Speck Candyshell case installed and the screen cracked. Luckily the digitizer and SAMOLED were still fully functioning. I wondered if there was a way to replace just the glass. If you take the time to google Galaxy S3 replacement glass, you will find a mixture of threads on the subject with most saying that only a professional could do so. There are a few youtube videos on the matter, including one proclaiming that it is impossible to separate and replace only the outer glass without destroying the digitizer. This simply is NOT true. Not less than one hour ago I did exactly that.
Supplies:
Replacement Glass (Can be found for less than twenty dollars complete with a plastic separator, phillips screwdriver, and 3m tape cut fit.)
Hair Dryer
Painter's Tape (Or any semi-sticky tape that won't leave residue)
Gloves
Small Flathead Screwdriver
What I did:
First I removed the back cover and battery from the GS3. I went into my small bathroom and misted it with a spray bottle in hopes that it would reduce the dust in the air. I set my wife's hair dryer to high heat and low speed. I heated the bottom corner of my phone first because there was a small chip that looked like it would be a good place to start prying the screen off. I used the small flathead to start the prying because the provided plastic separator was not sturdy enough to initiate this. You don't have to worry about scratching the display during this step because there is that nice gap between the display and the actual bottom of the phone as well as the top. So either of these two places would be an ideal starting point. As you SLOWLY pry the screen up you will notice a small gap of air forming between the glass and the display. As soon as the screen is just high enough to fit a plastic separator between the glass and display, do it. I can not stress enough, go sloooowwwww. If you do not remove the glass strategically and smoothly you will cause scratches or cracks in the SAMOLED glass (The actual display). Pry from the largest shards first. Once the screen was high enough for the separator I applied a lot of heat again, and especially focusing on the gap so more heat would reach the glue directly. Heat, pry, heat, pry, heat, pry. When the glass is almost separated resist the urge to speed up, it was hard for me too... It is OK if the original glass cracks a little more as you remove it, when this happens change spots where you are prying. The glass should come off as one sheet held by the glue and colored portions. Undoubtedly you will find tiny shards and perhaps a fleck or two of dust. This is where the painter's tape comes in. Use the tape to remove any debris off of the SAMOLED screen. Do not touch the actual display, not even with gloves. This will smudge what is left of the original adhesive and will lead to annoying marks under your glass after the process. I am not sure of a good solvent that would not damage the screen or I would have used it, mine has a few smudges under it. However, they are only visible when the screen is off. I then took the 3m tape provided with my glass and applied it to the two appropriate places on the phone. Next, I removed the backing off of the new glass and carefully applied it from the top to the bottom. I had to use my screw driver to keep the capacitive button ribbons under the new glass in their proper positions. Once the glass was on the phone I heated it all up one more time to make the leftover glue and the new adhesive softer. Then I applied firm pressure around the circumference of the phone only. I let my phone cool down and then replaced the battery and cover. Finally I turned my phone back on and enjoyed all the glory of my achievement when EVERY aspect of my phone was fully functional. My phone is now a hybrid pblue/white because for whatever reason the white glass was eight dollars cheaper than the blue glass. In my opinion, it looks great.
Ps For this operation the provided phillips screwdriver is not needed.
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The original cracked blue glass after removal.
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My new hybrid phone.
The screen on and app drawer open to show that the touch still works.
It was brought to my attention that I may want to add a disclaimer.
Disclaimer: You could f*c* up your phone even more than it it already is if you do something hastily or fail to adapt your methods to a situation different than mine. All of the above as well as 99.9999 percent of f*c* ups in the universe are not my fault.

johnyardavid said:
Ok everybody, the purpose of this thread is to dispel the MYTH that you can not replace just the front glass. Good news for my brethren who as I, have learned that Gorilla Glass hardly deserves the moniker.
My phone was dropped from a height of less than three feet with a Speck Candyshell case installed and the screen cracked. Luckily the digitizer and SAMOLED were still fully functioning. I wondered if there was a way to replace just the glass. If you take the time to google Galaxy S3 replacement glass, you will find a mixture of threads on the subject with most saying that only a professional could do so. There are a few youtube videos on the matter, including one proclaiming that it is impossible to separate and replace only the outer glass without destroying the digitizer. This simply is NOT true. Not less than one hour ago I did exactly that.
Supplies:
Replacement Glass (Can be found for less than twenty dollars complete with a plastic separator, phillips screwdriver, and 3m tape cut fit.)
Hair Dryer
Painter's Tape (Or any semi-sticky tape that won't leave residue)
Gloves
Small Flathead Screwdriver
What I did:
First I removed the back cover and battery from the GS3. I went into my small bathroom and misted it with a spray bottle in hopes that it would reduce the dust in the air. I set my wife's hair dryer to high heat and low speed. I heated the bottom corner of my phone first because there was a small chip that looked like it would be a good place to start prying the screen off. I used the small flathead to start the prying because the provided plastic separator was not sturdy enough to initiate this. You don't have to worry about scratching the display during this step because there is that nice gap between the display and the actual bottom of the phone as well as the top. So either of these two places would be an ideal starting point. As you SLOWLY pry the screen up you will notice a small gap of air forming between the glass and the display. As soon as the screen is just high enough to fit a plastic separator between the glass and display, do it. I can not stress enough, go sloooowwwww. If you do not remove the glass strategically and smoothly you will cause scratches or cracks in the SAMOLED glass (The actual display). Pry from the largest shards first. Once the screen was high enough for the separator I applied a lot of heat again, and especially focusing on the gap so more heat would reach the glue directly. Heat, pry, heat, pry, heat, pry. When the glass is almost separated resist the urge to speed up, it was hard for me too... It is OK if the original glass cracks a little more as you remove it, when this happens change spots where you are prying. The glass should come off as one sheet held by the glue and colored portions. Undoubtedly you will find tiny shards and perhaps a fleck or two of dust. This is where the painter's tape comes in. Use the tape to remove any debris off of the SAMOLED screen. Do not touch the actual display, not even with gloves. This will smudge what is left of the original adhesive and will lead to annoying marks under your glass after the process. I am not sure of a good solvent that would not damage the screen or I would have used it, mine has a few smudges under it. However, they are only visible when the screen is off. I then took the 3m tape provided with my glass and applied it to the two appropriate places on the phone. Next, I removed the backing off of the new glass and carefully applied it from the top to the bottom. I had to use my screw driver to keep the capacitive button ribbons under the new glass in their proper positions. Once the glass was on the phone I heated it all up one more time to make the leftover glue and the new adhesive softer. Then I applied firm pressure around the circumference of the phone only. I let my phone cool down and then replaced the battery and cover. Finally I turned my phone back on and enjoyed all the glory of my achievement when EVERY aspect of my phone was fully functional. My phone is now a hybrid pblue/white because for whatever reason the white glass was eight dollars cheaper than the blue glass. In my opinion, it looks great.
Ps For this operation the provided phillips screwdriver is not needed.
A couple of photos...
The original cracked blue glass after removal.
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My new hybrid phone.
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The screen on and app drawer open to show that the touch still works.
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You should do a video tutorial and post in on youtube. Find someone with a cracked screen and offer to help. You will help many people and have tonnes of views

Wond3r said:
You should do a video tutorial and post in on youtube. Find someone with a cracked screen and offer to help. You will help many people and have tonnes of views
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Also many people will not have the OP's patience and screw up in the process.
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Not much patience required, it only took me thirty minutes total. I just wanted to emphasize not rushing. That's a good idea for a tutorial video....... I am down.
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johnyardavid said:
Not much patience required, it only took me thirty minutes total. I just wanted to emphasize not rushing. That's a good idea for a tutorial video....... I am down.
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This is awesome, and great tutorial. Just saying sooommmee noob out there is gonna crack their screen and blame you so make sure you add a disclaimer.
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Toaster Strudels said:
This is awesome, and great tutorial. Just saying sooommmee noob out there is gonna crack their screen and blame you so make sure you add a disclaimer.
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Duly noted, thank you
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Toaster Strudels said:
This is awesome, and great tutorial. Just saying sooommmee noob out there is gonna crack their screen and blame you so make sure you add a disclaimer.
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Happens with ANY tutorial really. People are still bricking their s3s. People are still flashing ROMs for the international version on our phones lol

If you lived closer to the northeast Texas area, I'd pay you to do that to my phone lol

My phoen cracked in similar fashion about 3 weeks ago.
I priced aorund and the fix around my area was 350 bucks to replace the entire screen,
I ended up spending 150 bucks more and bought it new again.
Had I known this then i would have def tried it.

Dude start a business!!! I break my **** all the time
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I am up for replacing one to make a tutorial video. However, that would require trust on the part of the sender. Of course I would return the phone, because well, that would just be f***ed up. So, here is my offer; if anyone out there has a phone with cracked glass but fully functioning touch and display, send it to me minus the sim card, with the replacement glass, 3m tape, and the plastic separator. I will use your phone to make a tutorial video, and then ship it back to you with the couple of bucks you will provide for return shipping. If anyone is interested, pm me.
Disclaimer on this: Worst case scenario the SAMOLED will break and you will have to replace the screen/digitizer combo like originally. Likewise, I will not accept liability for any other damage to the phone, though I would take the utmost care with your device and do not expect to damage it in any way.
If nobody is interested, that is fine and I understand. However, this is not for my gain as my device is already fixed and functional. Also, the repair will be done within a week of receiving the phone so do not expect it to be returned as soon as I receive it. I am a more than full time mechanical engineering student and I have a pretty busy schedule.
Side thought: I wonder why all of the phone repair professionals say that this process is near impossible unless you are a professional like they are? For instance, this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es8gezSdKv4&feature=youtu.be . I am in no way a professional phone repairman and I typically lack finesse. Yet, this was pretty simple to me...

johnyardavid said:
I am up for replacing one to make a tutorial video. However, that would require trust on the part of the sender. Of course I would return the phone, because well, that would just be f***ed up. So, here is my offer; if anyone out there has a phone with cracked glass but fully functioning touch and display, send it to me minus the sim card, with the replacement glass, 3m tape, and the plastic separator. I will use your phone to make a tutorial video, and then ship it back to you with the couple of bucks you will provide for return shipping. If anyone is interested, pm me.
Disclaimer on this: Worst case scenario the SAMOLED will break and you will have to replace the screen/digitizer combo like originally. Likewise, I will not accept liability for any other damage to the phone, though I would take the utmost care with your device and do not expect to damage it in any way.
If nobody is interested, that is fine and I understand. However, this is not for my gain as my device is already fixed and functional. Also, the repair will be done within a week of receiving the phone so do not expect it to be returned as soon as I receive it. I am a more than full time mechanical engineering student and I have a pretty busy schedule.
Side thought: I wonder why all of the phone repair professionals say that this process is near impossible unless you are a professional like they are? For instance, this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es8gezSdKv4&feature=youtu.be . I am in no way a professional phone repairman and I typically lack finesse. Yet, this was pretty simple to me...
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And apart from asking on here, maybe you should put up an ad on your local kijiji/craigslist as well! You can make a couple bucks off it plus use it for a tutorial

Anyway we can get a link to the exact screen u bought
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It was this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16086785670...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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Thanks
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Great thread. I haven't had to deal with a cracked screen (thank goodness) but kudos to you for going out on a limb and trying something others said wasn't possible. Much appreciated that you posted up pictures and a walkthrough for this.

Saw this super cheap sgs3 on Craig list might try and fix it to sell it.
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waiters said:
Saw this super cheap sgs3 on Craig list might try and fix it to sell it.
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Sounds like a good idea.

Thanks dude!
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johnyardavid said:
It was this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16086785670...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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Can you confirm that this should also fit on an I747 (Telus, Rogers, Bell, AT&T) version of the SIII?
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johnyardavid said:
Sounds like a good idea.
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I would so love a video tutorial. I would be willing to send in my phone, however I can't part with my phone for a long period of time..
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[Q] Quality control problems with the frame?

Recently i received my Xperia Z1C White. After some careful checking (that happens when you are a techy) i noticed that the frame bends slightly inwards at the back side. I made a small example of what i mean on a photo. The problem is. If you can press those parts of the frame inwards, what happens with the waterproof seal between that part of the frame and the plastic bezel on top of this? Is this the case with every Xperia Z1C or is this a rare problem?
I suspect this also is the reason why you can hear a sound while pressing the screen slightly.

Rinneh said:
Recently i received my Xperia Z1C White. After some careful checking (that happens when you are a techy) i noticed that the frame bends slightly inwards at the back side. I made a small example of what i mean on a photo. The problem is. If you can press those parts of the frame inwards, what happens with the waterproof seal between that part of the frame and the plastic bezel on top of this? Is this the case with every Xperia Z1C or is this a rare problem?
I suspect this also is the reason why you can hear a sound while pressing the screen slightly.
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Same on my phone, but only the charging port side, and my phone squeaks too.

Me too - i can also press the frame inward. Oh my god, i´m a bit confused now...lets hope everything is ok and water is no problem for that...
*EDIT* But i have to say that this also is an issue to find on my Z1 !

Had a bit of convex shape on the back, barely noticeable. Hairdryer and pressing did the trick.
And no, don't be too harsh to the phone.
Glue seems to be unequally applicated.
Made in China after all.

I don't know why, but it doesn't seems any problem with my white phone.

I wonder hwo wide spread or problematic this is. On a normal phone this wouldnt be a problem at all. But on a waterproof phone every error can be a problem.

Mine seems to have the same microscopic gap on the back around the docking port.
I dunked it in a bowl of water and let it sit for 5 minutes. Took it out, dried it off - no problems.

The back of mine flexes when pressed hard in the center, but there are no gaps at the edges (even when pressed)

Is this something they'd accept a warranty replacement for? Where do you go about requesting such?

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Is this something they'd accept a warranty replacement for? Where do you go about requesting such?
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I think no warranty on this, they will probably consider it normal.
The problem with high precision designed devices like this and iphones is, that if something is a bit off you notice it easier.
I do regret it a bit that i didnt exchange it within the 7 days that it is possible to exchange a product after buying it in holland. But if it is widespread, then the case of a phone without the flexing frame/misaligned frame would be very small.

For anyone worried about the waterproof nature of their device, the only thing I can say is - test it. If the product works as intended you're golden. If not, you're covered by warranty.
I'm avid photographer and diver and with all new waterproof equipment, the first thing I do is test their waterproofing by either dunking them in the tub or the sink full of water.
You've bought a device with a capability which you should be able to trust. No need to find out 1 year later when you drop it in the toilet that your device is faulty.

Hejnfelt said:
Mine seems to have the same microscopic gap on the back around the docking port.
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Same here, only a small gap around docking port that can be ever so slightly pressed in under higher-than-normal pressure, never noticed it in every day handling.

Mine keeps pulling hairs out of my beard!
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I believe there's a sensor-like surface when you open up one of the flaps (the micro-USB one I think). It's a small white square and it turns red when in contact with water.
This is how the service centres know that you are complying to proper usage. So do be careful not to get the internals wet

That would make sense
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I have exchanged mine, still a little flex around the charging port but the back is definitely more flush. No small gap and less cracking noise when pressing the back as well. Very content with the built quality of this phone now.

[Q] A bright, small spot appears on the screen with slight pressure on back or flexed

Specifically, the spot is just left of mid-line and about a 1/3 of the way up from the bottom in portrait mode. If you have the wallpaper of the quill with the scribble (not the ink well), it is just to left of the quill tip. If I press on the corresponding spot on the back or flex the tablet from the sides a bit, a bright spot appears on lighter backgrounds (it doesn't show on dark backgrounds). A white background is back.
Ok, so everyone is going to say don't push or flex the tablet and I agree However, I bought the MoKo rotating case and when I snap it in firmly, this spot appears. I remove the tablet or loosen up the left side of the case, the spot disappears. The case appears to flex the tablet a bit, causing the display issue. I'm going to give another case a try, but MoKo is really the only rotating case, which I really liked.
Since the back of the tablet is "spongy" in this spot and allows it, I was trying to determine if this is a design issue with all of Note 8's or a manufacturing defect with mine. I went to a big box store to test, but they no longer have the Note 8's on display. However, all of the other Samsung tablet models have this issue in one spot or another. It seems Samsung has sacrificed sturdiness for a lower profile. So, I'm wondering if folks can help me determine if I should return this for another unit or deal with it.

I'd try flexing the cover's tabs some to see if I could alleviate the flexing... this is common on all tablets and phones since they are made to be as light as possible these days.
You might be able to heat the case holder with a hair dryer to make flexing/bending it easier.

cawake said:
Specifically, the spot is just left of mid-line and about a 1/3 of the way up from the bottom in portrait mode. If you have the wallpaper of the quill with the scribble (not the ink well), it is just to left of the quill tip. If I press on the corresponding spot on the back or flex the tablet from the sides a bit, a bright spot appears on lighter backgrounds (it doesn't show on dark backgrounds). A white background is back.
Ok, so everyone is going to say don't push or flex the tablet and I agree However, I bought the MoKo rotating case and when I snap it in firmly, this spot appears. I remove the tablet or loosen up the left side of the case, the spot disappears. The case appears to flex the tablet a bit, causing the display issue. I'm going to give another case a try, but MoKo is really the only rotating case, which I really liked.
Since the back of the tablet is "spongy" in this spot and allows it, I was trying to determine if this is a design issue with all of Note 8's or a manufacturing defect with mine. I went to a big box store to test, but they no longer have the Note 8's on display. However, all of the other Samsung tablet models have this issue in one spot or another. It seems Samsung has sacrificed sturdiness for a lower profile. So, I'm wondering if folks can help me determine if I should return this for another unit or deal with it.
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I've seen this in mine. Definitely pressure flexing back plate pressure on the battery frame. The screws holding the battery will press from the back of the LCD and you'll see a bright dot. Relieve the flex/stress or the dot it permanently bruise.

DizzyDen said:
I'd try flexing the cover's tabs some to see if I could alleviate the flexing... this is common on all tablets and phones since they are made to be as light as possible these days.
You might be able to heat the case holder with a hair dryer to make flexing/bending it easier.
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DizzyDen,
Thanks for the suggestion. I did try flexing it back into shape, but to no avail.
Chris

dtvboy said:
I've seen this in mine. Definitely pressure flexing back plate pressure on the battery frame. The screws holding the battery will press from the back of the LCD and you'll see a bright dot. Relieve the flex/stress or the dot it permanently bruise.
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dtvboy,
Thanks for confirming the issue. You are right, the spot does resemble the tip of a screw. I just received the fintie slim case and I no longer have the issue. I miss the rotating stand, but it's better than the distracting dot or damaging my tablet.
Chris

You could also try sanding the flat part of the rotating holder... anything to relieve the pressure it puts on the back of the Note... bending the corners forward on the holder might help as well.

Please check your phone for this build quality issue. See picture and details.

With your phone on a white webpage in a dark room, and with the brightness turned up fully....Look directly at the side of the phone above the volume buttons and along the length of the webpage on the screen....Do you see a small gap with light coming through below the black paint on the glass and the metal? See pic.
This is not a reflection due to the curved glass, and it is not a simple build quality issue due to black painted area not going down far enough.
Mine is an actual gap that I can stick a corner of a piece of paper into quite far. It also disappears when I press down on that side of the screen.
My wife got the same phone at the same time, and hers is the same!
Who else has this issue?

I have this issue. It makes the phone look absolutely disgusting. I actually thought it was a glass reflection thing though so it hasnt bothered me until now.
I noticed a huge increase in dirt/grime throughout the edge areas lately.. How does sending the phone back work? I'm unable to drive anywhere near the only Samsung store (in TO -_-)
Add a poll to this thread!!
P.S. Like OP says... You should be in a dark room with the screen at max brightness to CLEARLY see this. It really shows when im watching movies at night -_-

Yep....i saw some specs of dust in there as well. I wonder if this means the phone itself is no longer resistant to water and dust?
Damn. I will likely be taking both of mine back to Best Buy tomorrow.

cmilviper said:
Yep....i saw some specs of dust in there as well. I wonder if this means the phone itself is no longer resistant to water and dust?
Damn. I will likely be taking both of mine back to Best Buy tomorrow.
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Yea I thought that as well and it scared the **** out of me. If I stick a piece of paper in the gaps, I can actually feel the rubber adhesive coating thats about 5mm in.. If you think about it... Thats a HUGE gap. HUUGE. And thats completely all around the edges.. Its even worse at the corners.
If you look at pictures of the S7 Edge screen at night, you will NOT see any of this. This is absolutely a defect.

I agree!
I may try to tape it off, and smear some black silicone in the side gaps, clean it up, and see if I can be happy with it.......otherewise they are going back.
Oh and I heard this is mainly only affecting black Note 7's?

cmilviper said:
I agree!
I may try to tape it off, and smear some black silicone in the side gaps, clean it up, and see if I can be happy with it.......otherewise they are going back.
Oh and I heard this is mainly only affecting black Note 7's?
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Idk. After looking it up, I noticed that the black S7 Edge wasnt having this issue, so either this is a defect, or a horrible, horrible design flaw.
Pics of the black S7E with mid brightness:
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Here are a few pics of the light bleeding on my Note 7:
THIS IS THE LIGHT BLEEDING, ITS NOT THE METAL REFLECTION.
Heres a picture of the top and bottom edges (screen on but blocked with cards so you can actually see the light bleeding due to the gaps):

I think everyone has this issue. Maybe only about painting job not cover all of the edges.
But I don't think it will make the phone lose water resistant

thanhhungtn1 said:
I think everyone has this issue. Maybe only about painting job not cover all of the edges.
But I don't think it will make the phone lose water resistant
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This has never happened on any other phone I have had. Keep in mind this happens on the top and bottom.. Which means it is nut a curved screen related issue. This is a gap issue that causes the edge of the glass panel to be exposed that creates travelling light to bleed out of the edges.

imatts said:
This has never happened on any other phone I have had. Keep in mind this happens on the top and bottom.. Which means it is nut a curved screen related issue. This is a gap issue that causes the edge of the glass panel to be exposed that creates travelling light to bleed out of the edges.
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Yes, I know. Every note7 has that issue. It's just the painting job problem. Normally the painting must cover all of the edges to not allow the lights from the back lid come out.
Mine have this issue too but still can swim under water.

thanhhungtn1 said:
Yes, I know. Every note7 has that issue. It's just the painting job problem. Normally the painting must cover all of the edges to not allow the lights from the back lid come out.
Mine have this issue too but still can swim under water.
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Being afraid of the phone not having proper IP rating is one thing, but what bugs me the most is how it makes a $1,200 phone feel like a $200 phone.

imatts said:
Being afraid of the phone not having proper IP rating is one thing, but what bugs me the most is how it makes a $1,200 phone feel like a $200 phone.
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yes. it's a little bit annoying when in the dark room.
But it doesn't bother me at all when in the bright room and under sunshine. Actually I use S-cover so most of the time I didn't notice it lol.
Samsung better has an announcement for this.

I can confirm I have the same issue, but only on the S pen side; didn't notice any gaps with the other 3 sides so certainly seems like a defect.

I have a uniform space all around the device between the glass and the inner metal frame. The space is enough for a piece of paper to be slid in. I would suspect, I don't know, that bonding metal to glass needs some form of expansion gap due to heat?
I have just looked at my Samsung galaxy S6 Edge+ and this has no such space BUT this does not mean that the S6 Edge doesn't have an expansion gap. Such expansion factors can be achieved in different ways.
I doubt dust will enter between that space and get in-between the glass and screen?
I will go to the store today and speak with the manager and request he contact Samsung regarding this matter. I will also call Samsung myself latter in the day.
It would indeed be a major blunder IF this was a design or manufacturing fault on the part of Samsung. At present I cant really see the quality control being so poor, not as all phones appear to have this space no matter what continent we live on? The sheer scale, if this is a problem, would be hyper damaging to not only the reputation of Samsung but also its finances.
I also have a gut feeling that trying to receive an honest sensible response from Samsung is going to be a problem, still I shall be discussing this with the store manager so IF, in the future, this is a genuine problem, he will respond accordingly.
I could do without this at present. Still has to be sorted.
Thanks to the OP for having the eyes of a hawk and giving us the heads up. I SUGGEST THIS THREAD BE PINNED.
Ryland

I have contacted Samsung mobile technical and they said they would call me back. Hmmm, didn't say what year though.
I shall visit the retailer very shortly.
I must add I have visited the Samsung site and the photo's of the note 7 clearly show a space between the glass and the metal frame?
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
SUGGEST THIS THREAD BE PINNED.
Ryland
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I suggest binned instead of pinned
Reason being is that I don't want to now make the screen full white brightness and look at the sides in the dark, just in case I spot something that will then make me constantly obsess about it
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There is a little gap in all of the units I have seen, its a fair assumption that its that gap that creates this light leak.

EarlZ said:
There is a little gap in all of the units I have seen, its a fair assumption that its that gap that creates this light leak.
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So they should be painting/coating these edges in order to stop this from happening. Should have been like this to begin with -_-
I havent had improper light leaks since 2010 lol

Seems OK on my coral blue, I'll try in darker room later

cmilviper said:
With your phone on a white webpage in a dark room, and with the brightness turned up fully
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How often do you stare at the side of your phone at 100% brightness in a dark room? This reminds of a thread in the GT-i9100 forum where people saw gray blotches on the display if it was at 10% brightness while displaying a gray background in a dark room. Since I never do either of those two things put me on the not concerned list. And I know, a gazillion dollar device should be "perfect."

tonymy01 said:
I suggest binned instead of pinned
Reason being is that I don't want to now make the screen full white brightness and look at the sides in the dark, just in case I spot something that will then make me constantly obsess about it
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Oh brother how I hear you :highfive:
The LAST thing I want or need is a performance with my Note 7 however....I vividly recall owning the Asus Transfomer Prime tablet with key board some years ago. I am a long term fan of Asus products. Wow did they drop the ball with the Prime. Problem was/is the casing was all metal so the GPS didn't work at all and the net signal strength was near zero too. This was THE cutting edge tablet of its time and also the most expensive and very hard to find one.
The end result from Asus after petitions and court cases was to place a sticker on the boxes saying the device had no GPS? What they did about the other issues I dont know, mine went back! Point is big brand names DO make some truly awful blunders.
A blunder in itself is not the problem its getting brands like Asus, Sony Samsung etc to acknowledge such a blooper has been made. This is why I am taking this thread with caution but also treating the matter seriously.
Until I had read this thread I had not noticed any such phenomena as my mobile is in a flip case.
When the OP said he could slip paper into the gap that concerned me and still does until I can be assured that this is not a design problem.
I totally agree we must not be OCD but a cautious responsible investigation is not going to harm us. :highfive:
Better to be safe than sorry and find after 14 days one is stuck with a mobile with a possible problem.
Ryland
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BarryH_GEG said:
How often do you stare at the side of your phone at 100% brightness in a dark room? This reminds of a thread in the GT-i9100 forum where people saw gray blotches on the display if it was at 10% brightness while displaying a gray background in a dark room. Since I never do either of those two things put me on the not concerned list. And I know, a gazillion dollar device should be "perfect."
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I respect your posts and enjoy reading them.
Provided this 'gap' does not affect the devices water-dust resistance I am also satisfied.
I am not given to flights of fancy nor do I panic about such material things. I do desire to ensure my investment is taken care of though and a little careful research with caution can but be a good thing. After all if there is a blunder we will all benefit from the OP's post. :fingers-crossed:
I will keep a million miles away from turning this gap into a 'bendgate'. Such matters also peeve me.
I can slide a piece of paper in-between my screen and the body. I cannot do this on my Edge S6+. Its needs sorting.
Ryland