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Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You've heard wrong.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Its a matter of principle for some people.
And you have to unlock your bootloader. You can relock it after of course.
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Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
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Agreed on all points! Google, sadly, is becoming a an organization that lacks focus in its endeavors.
I also come from a galaxy s and i have a yakju, international gsm, carrier free.
When i first heard that vodafone pt would have galaxy nexus carrier locked for sale, i thought right away that that couldnt be a good thing, so i went and ordered a sim free international version even more certain that what i needed was the one where no carrier touched, only Google. That worked out fine. There was no yakju variants known at the time, october or early november last year.
The move about dropping support on cdma devices was not so good, but thats on the carrier and lte fw.
Edit: re read op, and it seems he has a carrier unlocked phone.
If you wanted to escape regional builds, you should ask yourself why they exist. Different basebands for example, you probably are aware of this since you're from Canada.
I dont care about otas and etas, as long as source is available. Thats why i bought it in the first place.
Yes I can't believe why Google is allowing this. The nexus doesn't seem like a nexus now- it's just a phone that is unlockable.
It is the same case for me in Hong Kong. I finally decided not to flash yakju but to start using ROMs the second week I bought the phone.
Google needs to change this policy. They aren't going to let the nexus get more and more out of hand and less Google! As we Hongkongers like to say, give us back the "Google son"!
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greeced said:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
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How could there be no regional builds when people in the world don't even speak the same language?
Sorry for my sarcasm, but you get the idea. We have different networks, systems, AC power plugs... the list goes on and on. Just look at what 'X' means in different countries.
But I agree that they can do a lot more to make it easier.
Google has always held the belief that the Nexus line is for developers. It is for the most part a stock platform for which a developer can test their products on. However, Samsung and the carriers have mass marketed the phone as a consumer phone. It really is not and the Nexus brand has changed forever.
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Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
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Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
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This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You're missing the point of his post.
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This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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But then you are looking at the fact that they then have to supply smaller retailers with the handset, which also means they would have a lower scope of user adoption, as well as the cost of additional advertising.
By pleasing selected network providers, it ensure that the handset is in the hands of not just enthusiasts, but also the general user. The handset will have a higher adoption rate due to the higher availability, as well as the network providers will be more proactive in advertising the phone, overall this not only increases profits, but saves money by relying on the front end to advertise to attract users.
Business is business at the end of the day.
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how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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You do NOT need to unlock boot loader to flash yakju, from personal experience.
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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yea, its just i got my phone off craigslist, ive always wondered were it came from, over seas, or from my canadian neighbors =D
btw whats your speeds like in bellingham?
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Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
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You're posting on XDA and hope Google reads this?
I'm just happy that we have access to the latest ICS versions (through ROMs and AOSP). If I have to flash them instead of getting OTAs, then so be it. I can live with that.
I am 100% sure we are much better off than those still stuck on Gingerbread, Froyo, Eclair and even Donut. We and the Nexus S crew are still the first to get our hands on ICS, which we've been able to enjoy over the past 4 months whilst everyone else has to wait patiently. We'll also have first dibs on Jellybean too
Is it ideal that we already have version fragmentation on ICS? Not really, but considering the baseline version recommended for mass use hasn't seemed to have surfaced yet, I wouldn't really consider that a problem. Once that's out in the wild, I would expect most people will get OTA'd to the latest version and all will be well.
Regional builds MAY get it slower due to Samsung handling the OTAs, however I think they only did this to offload some of the pressure of single-handedly applying a global update. Even though my Nexus was shipped as yakju, I do hope Sammy pulls their finger out and updates the regional builds as fast as Google will.
Just curious why a lot of people seem to prefer these devices over devices like Motorola Razr, etc? Is because these devices are updated more frequently than most? I've read that somewhere, but don't remember where. Thanks.
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Just curious why a lot of people seem to prefer these devices over devices like Motorola Razr, etc? Is because these devices are updated more frequently than most? I've read that somewhere, but don't remember where. Thanks.
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Nexus devices are bloat free (no motoblur, touchwiz, sense skins on top - just pure Android)
They (like you said) are the first to get updates to new Android releases
They are much simpler to unlock/root/theme/modify etc than others
The development of roms, kernels mods etc is the largest of any other Android phone probably and is always evolving
Pretty much why I chose a Nexus - I knew I would be able to get pretty comprehensive help with any aspect of it on these and other forums
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Nexus devices are bloat free (no motoblur, touchwiz, sense skins on top - just pure Android)
They (like you said) are the first to get updates to new Android releases
They are much simpler to unlock/root/theme/modify etc than others
The development of roms, kernels mods etc is the largest of any other Android phone probably and is always evolving
Pretty much why I chose a Nexus - I knew I would be able to get pretty comprehensive help with any aspect of it on these and other forums
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Thanks for your response; it's much appreciated. Since I've only ever used Moto Android devices, I'm not very familiar with the offerings by Nexus. Does Samsung actually make the Nexus, but Google owns Nexus?
Thanks again.
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Thanks for your response; it's much appreciated. Since I've only ever used Moto Android devices, I'm not very familiar with the offerings by Nexus. Does Samsung actually make the Nexus, but Google owns Nexus?
Thanks again.
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Google owns the Nexus brand and uses it to showcase their latest software offerings as well as to set a general trend of direction it envisions for Android as a whole - It contracts out the actual hardware manufacture to it's partners like HTC (Nexus One), Samsung (Nexus S & GNex) and ASUS (Nexus 7 tablet) etc.
Seeing as this particular forum is for the Galaxy Nexus specifically, you can find some more info here http://pocketnow.com/2012/07/20/whats-next-for-googles-nexus-brand-of-devices/ and ofcourse even more by using Google's no.1 product - Google Search
Carrier freedom.
Dev support.
Peer support.
Price.
Hardware good enough.
Pure android.
Serious geek toy.
(The gnex is Google brand, but manufactured by Samsung.)
Okay thanks, guys. It's all more clear to me now. So basically any Nexus device will be updated before any other device, correct? Say even before the Samsung Galaxy S111?
Thanks again.
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Okay thanks, guys. It's all more clear to me now. So basically any Nexus device will be updated before any other device, correct? Say even before the Samsung Galaxy S111?
Thanks again.
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No not any Nexus device. The GSM Nexus that you can buy from Google directly gets updates before any other device. The carrier locked (CDMA) Verizon and Sprint Nexi got the latest updates 2-3 months after the GSM model did, still they are ahead of most phones for updates.
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No not any Nexus device. The GSM Nexus that you can buy from Google directly gets updates before any other device. The carrier locked (CDMA) Verizon and Sprint Nexi got the latest updates 2-3 months after the GSM model did, still they are ahead of most phones for updates.
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Ah, okay. Thank you much.
ti-force said:
Just curious why a lot of people seem to prefer these devices over devices like Motorola Razr, etc? Is because these devices are updated more frequently than most? I've read that somewhere, but don't remember where. Thanks.
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Updated frequently, for longer, with great stock software.
If you're into rooting, its trivially easy.
If you're into ROMs, it'll be one of (if not the) best supported device for a long time to come.
Unlocked straight from Google.
Pentaband.
Honestly, I was a huge HTC fanatic up until I first played with the Gnex. After an hour of playing with my new Gnex I was hooked, after a week of tweaking it I decided I will not own any other device but a Nexus branded one from this point on. I hated samsung because of how plastic and toylike their phones seemed to be but after owning my Gnex I changed my mind. My last phone (Inc2) had scratches on the screen within a week and dust under the screen within a month. I'm going on 3 months with my Gnex and keep it naked in the same pocked as my car keys sometimes with not a single tiny cosmetic ding.
Anyway, got a little off the subject, honestly the only way I will ever hesitate in the future from buying a nexus device is if crappy motorola is making it. I still love HTC and I definitely have a newfound love for Samsung after owning my Gnex and playing with the Note 2 and the GS3.
Bottomline, once you own a google flagship phone nothing else really compares.
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Bottomline, once you own a google flagship phone nothing else really compares.
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i've never been so close to freedom.
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Thanks for your opinions, guys. I'm currently in the process of trying to purchase a GNexus online. If it all works out, hopefully I'll be able to experience first hand some of the great things that you guys have experienced.
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Thanks for your opinions, guys. I'm currently in the process of trying to purchase a GNexus online. If it all works out, hopefully I'll be able to experience first hand some of the great things that you guys have experienced.
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You can get it for a dollar through best buy currently. At least for verizon.
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You can get it for a dollar through best buy currently. At least for verizon.
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I'll check into that. Thanks! Probably requires an upgrade, though. Right? I can't upgrade for 4 more months....
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I'll check into that. Thanks! Probably requires an upgrade, though. Right? I can't upgrade for 4 more months....
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Yes that requires a new 2-year contract...
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I'll check into that. Thanks! Probably requires an upgrade, though. Right? I can't upgrade for 4 more months....
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If you want an upgrade, ditch the carrier with an unlocked phone! :good:
I choose this phone because it will be vastly developed on even two years from now.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/android-4-2-shows-up-in-our-server-logs-shocks-no-one/
4.2 key lime is what the next nexus is shiping with,right? why are there other devices supposed to be running 4.2
what do you guys think?
I am rooting for multiple nexus devices. not likely but a man can dream.
Remember all that stuff Google said about giving select OEMS early access to the code/tools etc. OEMS are not completely in the dark until the code is officially released to aosp anymore,
You got that to consider, the rumour of multiple nexus devices to consider. The fact that people can change build props etc and so on,
This has been rumored for a very long time that there are multiple manufacturers working on their own nexus device and that there'll be multiple nexus devices releasing this year rather than one.
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Remember all that stuff Google said about giving select OEMS early access to the code/tools etc. OEMS are not completely in the dark until the code is officially released to aosp anymore,
You got that to consider, the rumour of multiple nexus devices to consider. The fact that people can change build props etc and so on,
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oh thats right it slipped my mind still multiple nexus devices would of been cool. i just want to own them all and collect and flash. thank you for you reply
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This has been rumored for a very long time that there are multiple manufacturers working on their own nexus device and that there'll be multiple nexus devices releasing this year rather than one.
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this would be great.
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this would be great.
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Here's a good write up about it published in May 2012.
http://www.androidcentral.com/multiple-nexus-devices-could-change-android-forever
Will there be a possibility of rooting the HTC One (or S-OFF)? From my understanding there will be a locked bootloader for this phone...:crying:
Vent: I'm sorry but I think this launch is the second worst launch (the worst being Galaxy Nexus on Verizon). If you look at the Verizon webpage there is NO indication of the HTC One whatsoever other than the email signup. People at Verizon are clueless (especially sales reps) as to release dates/inventory/colors/etc but the opposite is true for all the Droid phones which is plastered everywhere AND they haven't really released the phone until 8/27 (shipping date). If you ask sales people questions about any of the Droids its like they suddenly know everything about it and nothing about the HTC One. Its weird, if you were a carrier wouldn't you push ALL phones especially highly rated phones like the HTC One/iPhone/Galaxy S4. I'm not saying the Droid's aren't bad its just that...*sigh*
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Will there be a possibility of rooting the HTC One (or S-OFF)? From my understanding there will be a locked bootloader for this phone...:crying:
Vent: I'm sorry but I think this launch is the second worst launch (the worst being Galaxy Nexus on Verizon). If you look at the Verizon webpage there is NO indication of the HTC One whatsoever other than the email signup. People at Verizon are clueless (especially sales reps) as to release dates/inventory/colors/etc but the opposite is true for all the Droid phones which is plastered everywhere AND they haven't really released the phone until 8/27 (shipping date). If you ask sales people questions about any of the Droids its like they suddenly know everything about it and nothing about the HTC One. Its weird, if you were a carrier wouldn't you push ALL phones especially highly rated phones like the HTC One/iPhone/Galaxy S4. I'm not saying the Droid's aren't bad its just that...*sigh*
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Id venture to say beaups and team will get moonshine working for it, and prollythe revone team as well.
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Id venture to say beaups and team will get moonshine working for it, and prollythe revone team as well.
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@TeamAndIRC have root method for Verizon HTC ONE 4.2.2?
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@DrewSixSix yes the one for HTC from the 11th I released should work fine
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https://twitter.com/TeamAndIRC/statuses/368866585051537409
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If you ask sales people questions about any of the Droids its like they suddenly know everything about it and nothing about the HTC One. Its weird, if you were a carrier wouldn't you push ALL phones especially highly rated phones like the HTC One/iPhone/Galaxy S4.
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I took it upon myself to make weekly visits to my local VZW store and update them on the One. On my first visit I asked about the release date and the rep said "You mean the Maxx". I shook my head and began describing my new friend Zoey
Have been lurking and learning an incredible amount from XDA which has prompted me to make my 1st post in a question.
I am shopping for a replacement for my HTC One M7- updated it to 7.1.1 RR ROM and works GREAT but the battery is toast and want to upgrade vice tearing the M7 apart. Have been looking at a number of offerings including the pending Samsung S8 as a replacement but it seems most of the major players have completely locked their hardware, especially the bootloader. While this is not terrible in the near-term, I would prefer the option to option to tweak even with my limited knowledge.
This brings me to the HTC 10. It seems HTC is more responsive to customization and supports the developers. Am I reading this wrong or is HTC as bad as the rest? My reason for updating my M7 to 7.1.1 is the lack of support due to obsolescence but have to admit, I enjoy tweaking stuff. I'd like to the option to custom flash whatever I get if I choose now and in the future to extend obsolescence.
Thoughts on the HTC 10 or other current offerings?
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I don't care about others because HTC still gives you your right of choice. You can still unlock your bootloader on the 10, via HtcDev, just like older HTC phones, and you can still s-off your phone via Sunshine. Or you can go ahead and skip HtcDev, and use sunshine for bootloader unlock and s-off at the same time. I was a little bit scared when I read all those posts about unlocking, but esentially, it's the same procedure as it always was for HTC phones. The only downside - Sunshine costs $25
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Have been lurking and learning an incredible amount from XDA which has prompted me to make my 1st post in a question.
I am shopping for a replacement for my HTC One M7- updated it to 7.1.1 RR ROM and works GREAT but the battery is toast and want to upgrade vice tearing the M7 apart. Have been looking at a number of offerings including the pending Samsung S8 as a replacement but it seems most of the major players have completely locked their hardware, especially the bootloader. While this is not terrible in the near-term, I would prefer the option to option to tweak even with my limited knowledge.
This brings me to the HTC 10. It seems HTC is more responsive to customization and supports the developers. Am I reading this wrong or is HTC as bad as the rest? My reason for updating my M7 to 7.1.1 is the lack of support due to obsolescence but have to admit, I enjoy tweaking stuff. I'd like to the option to custom flash whatever I get if I choose now and in the future to extend obsolescence.
Thoughts on the HTC 10 or other current offerings?
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Google Pixel is an option as well.
Or of course the OnePlus 3T. Essentially, for me, there are only 3 choices left for me when it comes to a new phone: HTC, Google Pixel and OnePlus. Why? Well, Huawei....never ever, there is always a lack of documentation, thus never any AOSP roms available. Sony? Quite nice phones, but too expensive, never convices me. Samsung? Of course, the S8 is great looking phone, but Samsung is not very developper friendly, that's a no-go for me. LG? I owned a G4, and had many problems, never again. ASUS? I have completely no experience about ASUS phones, but my girlfriend owns an ASUS laptop, and it's crap. Lenovo/Moto? Well ok, could be a choice. A friend owns the G4 Plus, and is very happy with it. But I haven't liked a Moto phone that much, that I would have considered to buy it. ZUK or ZTE? I guess not many developpers here on XDA own phones of these manufacters, so lack of support here on XDA, so would not get a a ZUK or ZTE phone (though the ZUK Z2 Pro and the ZTE Axon 7 look very impressive imo). So, what's left? The Google Pixel is a good phone, good dev support, but way too expensive imo. HTC is a bit....I don't know how to say it, but I think you can never be sure what to expect of HTC. For example, I only own the HTC 10 and had never a HTC device before. But I think the M7 and M8 were good phones (except of the cameras), the M9 was crap, the A9 looked ugly for me. In contrast to that, the 10 is a beast and I really love this phone! The HTC U Ultra is....nothing special. I mean, a glass back....really, HTC?! Then this "second" display, who needs that? A way too small battery as well. So this again didn't impress me. Now we have to wait for the HTC 11/HTC U or whatever. So, I'm a bit unsure about HTC. Last left is OnePlus. The 3T looks great, the dev support is exceptional, open source code, and the price is nearly unbeatable. Only downside I've heard of is the lack of service, but perhaps they can improve this in future. So, this is my opinion so far, I hope, this helps you a bit
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Like the Pixel but at the price point, would have thought it would be waterproof. Since I am an AT&T servant, is the bootloader locked down with the phones purchased directly from Google?
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Or of course the OnePlus 3T. Essentially, for me, there are only 3 choices left for me when it comes to a new phone: HTC, Google Pixel and OnePlus. Why? Well, Huawei....never ever, there is always a lack of documentation, thus never any AOSP roms available. Sony? Quite nice phones, but too expensive, never convices me. Samsung? Of course, the S8 is great looking phone, but Samsung is not very developper friendly, that's a no-go for me. LG? I owned a G4, and had many problems, never again. ASUS? I have completely no experience about ASUS phones, but my girlfriend owns an ASUS laptop, and it's crap. Lenovo/Moto? Well ok, could be a choice. A friend owns the G4 Plus, and is very happy with it. But I haven't liked a Moto phone that much, that I would have considered to buy it. ZUK or ZTE? I guess not many developpers here on XDA own phones of these manufacters, so lack of support here on XDA, so would not get a a ZUK or ZTE phone (though the ZUK Z2 Pro and the ZTE Axon 7 look very impressive imo). So, what's left? The Google Pixel is a good phone, good dev support, but way too expensive imo. HTC is a bit....I don't know how to say it, but I think you can never be sure what to expect of HTC. For example, I only own the HTC 10 and had never a HTC device before. But I think the M7 and M8 were good phones (except of the cameras), the M9 was crap, the A9 looked ugly for me. In contrast to that, the 10 is a beast and I really love this phone! The HTC U Ultra is....nothing special. I mean, a glass back....really, HTC?! Then this "second" display, who needs that? A way too small battery as well. So this again didn't impress me. Now we have to wait for the HTC 11/HTC U or whatever. So, I'm a bit unsure about HTC. Last left is OnePlus. The 3T looks great, the dev support is exceptional, open source code, and the price is nearly unbeatable. Only downside I've heard of is the lack of service, but perhaps they can improve this in future. So, this is my opinion so far, I hope, this helps you a bit
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My good man, you really summed up my thoughts!
I've had the G5, S7 Edge, and now have the Pixel and the HTC 10. I can tell you right now, you don't have to look any further than the 10. The Pixel is nice and also has a great feel, but still feels delicate compared to the 10. I personally like everything about this phone. Especially, especially, if you are interested in any type of modifications. There is more development/developers/XDA Members available for info/help than any of the others. Easy decision in my mind.
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Allen_B said:
Like the Pixel but at the price point, would have thought it would be waterproof. Since I am an AT&T servant, is the bootloader locked down with the phones purchased directly from Google?
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I just had to deal with this. No, phones purchased through google have unlocked bootloaders but devices purchased through Verizon or Best Buy had the bootloaders locked when they received the 7.1.1 update. And there is still no way to unlock it, so if you want to root, get the Google version.
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My good man, you really summed up my thoughts!
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Glad to hear :highfive:
Appreciate the input and confirmation on what I thought about HTC.
I admit I really like the looks S8 but after fighting (and quitting after frustrations) with unlocking the wife's S4 I am very weary of Samsung. I completely understand their thoughts but fundamentally disagree with it. Seems they would rather take the Apple business model. They want you locked in and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to develop an independent operating system altogether.
Not sure why I am not a fan of the Pixel- it is clean, fast and open. I guess it just looks too much like a iPhone; I'm not object to the iPhone (I carry one daily for work) but if that's what I wanted, I'd buy one.
Thanks again, perhaps I'll continue to nurse my old M7 along until the HTC 11 (or Ocean, or whatever) comes out or the Pixel 2...
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Allen
bluemooncityzen225 said:
... I just had to deal with this. No, phones purchased through google have unlocked bootloaders but devices purchased through Verizon or Best Buy had the bootloaders locked when they received the 7.1.1 update. And there is still no way to unlock it, so if you want to root, get the Google version.
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That's what I figured. Since I'm on AT&T would go directly to the Play Store to purchase.... Thanks!
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Allen
Allen_B said:
That's what I figured. Since I'm on AT&T would go directly to the Play Store to purchase.... Thanks!
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Allen
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I bought my Pixel on eBay, brand new and use it with T-Mobile. Paid $475. The version I have right now is a Verizon Pixel, but for the similar price you should be able to find Google Edition.