As you may know, there has been an official statement saying what editions of windows 8 there will be.
For x86, there will be two available to consumers (standard and pro) and one available only for volume licensing (enterprise).
Windows 8 ARM, often called WoA, has officially been named Windows RT. It will not carry the name "8" at all.
How will XDA handle this? There is already a Windows 8 forum on XDA, but this is a mobile development site, and Windows 8 will me mainly geared towards desktops and laptops. There will be some x86 tablets but most expect the new windows tablets to mainly run on ARM. Windows RT will be mostly tablets and some laptops.
Microsoft has also previously stated that windows phone 8 will be its own operating system, and will not be the same as WoA, now to be referred to as Windows RT (just pointing this out to avoid confusion)
So, a few options I can see happening:
-the Windows 8 forum being changed to windows RT, as this is a mobile site, and not having a windows 8 forum
-the windows 8 forum being kept, as there will be some mobile devices running it, and a windows RT forum being created as well, since they're different OSes
-making windows 8 have two main sections - x86 and RT (since they can run the same programs and share a lot of code)
What do you think will happen, and why?
And if anyone involved in the decision making process sees this, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Or simply windows Runtime. Indeed the branding can be confusing. ARM was fine. They could have gone for something simpler in their communication: Windows Tablet ...
Not sure it's a huge priority tbh...
Once we start to see what's coming out, I guess a decision will be made about if only the ARM version will be covered...
I could imagine something like a Windows 8 category (like a device appears as a category), with 2 subforums - ARM Devices and x86 Devices...
Just an idea, but not a major priority AFAIK. Guess it's a case of seeing how things go.
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Or simply windows Runtime. Indeed the branding can be confusing. ARM was fine. They could have gone for something simpler in their communication: Windows Tablet ...
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I like Windows ARM. WARM. It's all fuzzy
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It's just a rumor or speculation that i've heard and i wanted to tell to you
Actually Intel isn't the biggest Phone processors seller and the few Intel-Powered Smartphones are running Android but i think that will change. Why? Because Intel and Microsoft have a very good relationship, Windows 8 will boost the sells of Windows Phone devices and there's another rummor that Windows 8 devices will be based on NT kernel. Mix all this information and i think you'll get the answer.
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It's just a rumor or speculation that i've heard and i wanted to tell to you
Actually Intel isn't the biggest Phone processors seller and the few Intel-Powered Smartphones are running Android but i think that will change. Why? Because Intel and Microsoft have a very good relationship, Windows 8 will boost the sells of Windows Phone devices and there's another rummor that Windows 8 devices will be based on NT kernel. Mix all this information and i think you'll get the answer.
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Windows 8 is based off the NT Kernel. Chances are desktop builds will be compiled for x86, tablet builds will be built for ARM (you can read numerous articles on the internet).
The NT kernel is processor-independent
It's already a while ago, but once Windows NT was available for X86, Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC - four different CPU architectures. The Windows NT kernel is and always was processor-independent.
The step now from X86 / X64 to ARM is smaller than many people think. Anyway, I think Microsoft is pretty free to run any version of Windows it wants on both CPUs.
And about that especially good relationship between Intel and Windows: That may have its best days already in the past. Intel can't like much Microsoft's ARM adventures, and likewise Microsoft eyes Intel's Linux excurses with a sharp eye.
Intel Atom Ivy Bridge seem to be legit , lol...
http://wmpoweruser.com/german-busin...te-for-current-handsets-to-settle-for-wp-7-7/
The German Business Week ‘(WiWo), claiming sources from Microsoft and Nokia, has confirmed that Windows Phone 8 will not be coming to the current generation of Windows Phones.
These handsets will recieve a stripped down version of Windows Phone 8 which may be called Windows Phone 7.6 or 7.7.
The publication reports ”An update is not technically possible because Windows Mobile 8 <-- WUT? uses different chip sets.”
Microsoft apparently expects current Windows Phone users to be happy with this solution, with a Microsoft manager quoted as saying: ”If people have the same functions on their smartphones, they do not care what version number the operating system is.”
Microsoft has previously alluded to Apple forcing customers to buy new handsets by releasing updates which slow down their current phones, so this solution appears to have been in the works for some time.
What do our readers think of this (likely) solution? Let us know below.
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Joe Beofiore or Scott Gu hasn't said a word, we will have to wait.
But believable or not? I don't think so, Microsoft used to confirmed that Windows Phone 8 will come to all 2nd Gen Devices.
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Doesn't matter , I'm getting a Apollo device. I heard current devices would be getting WP 7.7 or 7.6 anyways , stripped down Apollo
Bye bye Zune, hello Xbox Music.
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Do you have any info for the XBOX Music and the Application that we are going to control the Music in Windows 8?
The current Music App in Windows 8 is pretty bad, lacks of customization like Zune and got all of my Singer wrong Bio.
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Do you have any info for the XBOX Music and the Application that we are going to control the Music in Windows 8?
The current Music App in Windows 8 is pretty bad, lacks of customization like Zune and got all of my Singer wrong Bio.
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Its preview, so its not complete. I haven't updated to latest preview yet, so I have no idea if it has gotten better.
The Music app now is basically the one from the 360. I hope it gets better, and I also hope we won't have to download additional software for syncing the phones.
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http://m.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadgeteer/goodbye-zune-hello-xbox-music/5803
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As what was shown at E3 for Xbox Music, the Nokia Lumia 800 is running the same interface as the Xbox and Windows 8. So it is unlikely that it will be a separate app, otherwise it will end up like Spotify or iHeartRadio.
It is likely that Microsoft will update current windows phones to replace its current Zune branding, and maybe make it compatible with windows 8 synchronization. Or there is still hope that Windows Phone 8 will come to current windows phone devices.
We need a Apollo thread. I'm certain apps like these will come over faster with native coding
http://m.networkworld.com/news/2012/060612-microsoft-onx-259898.html?hpg1=bn
Its basically MS version of tasker
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Dinchy87 said:
anybody Who writes about Windows Phone and calls it "Windows Mobile" is not worth trust! Windows Mobile is the past, and Windows Phone is now!
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Google translate screwed up, the source says windows phone
Well, I would agree it is the same if WP7 would share the same attribute as WP8, like native API and WP8 apps compatibility.
Otherwise what he said same experience is simply not about right, at least the background run, launch speed and performance are not the same as WP8 with same hardware.
Can't believe that Nokia and MS don't support at least the second gen devices! And there were at least enough rumours for the other way round.
And technically speaking, it should be possible as Windows Phone 8 is pretty likely to support ARM like Windows 8 itself! The "incompatible chipset stuff" is just rubbish in my eyes!
Well, new handsets will feature new hardware and more capabilities but in the end I' pretty sure that they will make also low-end WP8 device with pretty much the same specs as current high-end WP7 device!
read the original article:
http://blog.wiwo.de/look-at-it/2012...-losung-fur-update-problem-bei-windows-phone/
this guy has no proof at all. he says he heard it from 2 sources (which of course are not named, he has no evidence etc.) and he names some unknown "microsoft manager" who told him some stuff.
also "An update is not technically possible because Windows Phone 8 uses different chipsets." is a pretty lame statement. When I can compile my linux kernels to run on different architectures I would think that MS can do this too.
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also "An update is not technically possible because Windows Phone 8 uses different chipsets." is a pretty lame statement. When I can compile my linux kernels to run on different architectures I would think that MS can do this too.
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Lumia 900 is heard to get an Upgrade but Lumia 800 wont (Nokia Online Helpdesk http://wparea.de/2012/06/nokia-care-das-lumia-900-wird-ein-update-auf-wp8-apollo-erhalten/). The only difference between these devices is that the chipset of the 900 supports LTE. So according to the rest of the hardware (Single Core Snapdragon S2, ARMv7) the 800 should support WP8, as all other phones should, too.
Well that's bad news for me; I have a first gen HTC Trophy; I doubt I will get the Apollo update after reading this, Oh well.
Hmm, sounds like crap if you ask me, different chipsets? presumably it still means ARM and we're not all going to go all x86.
I think its safe to say, that WP8 will get released to new hardware, it will have many new swanky features.
Said swankiness will filter down through current win 7 devices IF said feature is available on the device.
I think that's a fair thing to expect. To say we are not getting WP8 is perhaps a bit misleading though, more accurately is that we will get updates that our devices can support.
All in all I am sure we can be confidant that we will get some form of update, without a list of WP8 specs its difficult to say how much of it we can expect to receive.
Should know on the 20th
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The Windows Phone 8 release on 20th would be just a proof of concept device, if there is a presentation at all.
However it will spark the rumour mills and as always, Microsoft will leave out enough info to make us all keep wondering. In a way it creates a sense of suspense which will help make the phone more visible on the internet with lots of people speculating stuff. Would be a smart move to do so IMO.
That said, if they don't support WP8 on 900, people will hate them. If they support it, then there is no real reason not to support 800, 710 and the other second gens. Microsoft will not leave the lower end market out (tango), hence first gen has a great chance if 610 has a chance.
After all, Microsoft doesn't want to lose what little they have so soon.
According to a Tweet by MS_Nerd (one of those notoriously unreliable leakers) Microsoft will bring 2 OSs going forward.
The one which the Business Week called WP7.6 oder 7.7 is going to be named WP8, still based on the CE-Kernel and likely to include most of the features that the NT-Version is going to bring along.
The one which Business Week called WP8 is to be named Windows RT phone (as it is based on Windows RT - the Windows 8 version that is running ARM).
So we most likely will get WP8 with most of the features, but Microsoft introduces a new version for High End Phones including Multi Core support. WP8 will live on for the mid- to low-range Market.
At least that is what we can puzzle together if those 2 leaks are to be confirmed. Although it was pretty clear from the beginning that old devices would be missing out on some features when WP8 came along due to missing processing power/memory.
I don't think that MS would want to keep two different WP versions that have different kernel. Too much code to take care of IMHO.
Well I really hope that Windows Phone 8 will be way diffrent than WP now. Hopefully an opption to ad a start screen wallpaper instead of just the lame old lock screen wallpaper. Also I hope they let us have an unlocked file system so that we could browse our files instead of this BS where we have to use Zune currently. In other words hopefully the new WP will save us from the current one like Windows 7 saved us from Vista.
Tiles that can change sizes
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Tiles with real information instead of badges, ie the missed call, and email tile will show real information
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With Bluestack and the upcoming windowsandroid, in near future, windows can run android apps.
Will the Surface tablet then become the most popular tablet since it can run both native Windows applications and android apps?
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Source that windows can run android apps? Liliputing. Also downloaded blue stack and tested it myself on windows 7.
short answer: no.
long answer: windows rt != windows. While a modern pc has all the horsepower needed to emulate an ARM system, an ARM SoC doesn't really have the power to emulate anything (well, anything modern) so i don't think we will see windows rt run android apps anytime soon. Plus, there would be the "marketplace approval issue" and even then you would have no google play...
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short answer: no.
long answer: windows rt != windows. While a modern pc has all the horsepower needed to emulate an ARM system, an ARM SoC doesn't really have the power to emulate anything (well, anything modern) so i don't think we will see windows rt run android apps anytime soon. Plus, there would be the "marketplace approval issue" and even then you would have no google play...
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Surface tablet runs windows 8, not windows 8 rt and has a intel chip, not arm. There is the surface rt tablet which is based on arm processor. And currently for both blue stacks and windows android, the google play market is accessible. Else u can always sure load apps.
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Surface tablet runs windows 8, not windows 8 rt and has a intel chip, not arm. There is the surface rt tablet which is based on arm processor. And currently for both blue stacks and windows android, the google play market is accessible. Else u can always sure load apps.
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Microsoft is planning on releasing a Surface tablet thats x86 based. Its actually listed on there website rite now. The Surface RT IS the tablet based on ARM and any Windows RT install is ARM based and just saying the Surface RT has a Nvidia Tegra 3 processor. Blackberry tablets are able to run Android apps no problem. Running Windows apps and run Android apps shouldn't be a problem. Its just software.
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Surface tablet runs windows 8, not windows 8 rt and has a intel chip, not arm. There is the surface rt tablet which is based on arm processor. And currently for both blue stacks and windows android, the google play market is accessible. Else u can always sure load apps.
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no dude, surface runs windows RT and the upcoming surface pro will run windows 8.
your right, surface is arm so if they was the software it could run android app but it would be a lot better to run apps made for the surface. I like the surface over a android tab its just price is too high.
Bluestacks is an emulator. You can't expect things to work 100%.
I've used bluestacks and it is clunky at best. Sure it works on a pinch but I wouldn't buy non-android tablet and expect to run android stuff. Even if things do run perfect, emulation will take a toll on performance.
If you want an android tablet but an android tablet. The only way this will remotely work well is if we find ourselves a 10" HD2.
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Is android more powerful as compare to windows ?
What do you mean more powerful? Code is certainly not more powerful than other code... It could be claimed as more capable
Microsoft anounced that windows 10 will support tablets including android tablets have it from an pcwelt video german
comlete feature list windows 10
http://www.pcwelt.de/ratgeber/Windo...Windows-10-Funktionen-Windows-10-9602942.html
you think it woud be posebile to install it in the tab s
dual boot woud be the best 1 android and 1 windows
As of right now not possible, but never say never!
No. Microsoft has ceased all development on the ARM version of windows, aka Windows RT. The new Windows 10 will only run on x86 hardware, which means you will need an android tablet with a Intel processor to install Windows 10. The Galaxy Tab S uses an ARM processor, hence it is not compatible.
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No. Microsoft has ceased all development on the ARM version of windows, aka Windows RT. The new Windows 10 will only run on x86 hardware, which means you will need an android tablet with a Intel processor to install Windows 10. The Galaxy Tab S uses an ARM processor, hence it is not compatible.
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This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
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This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
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That's Windows Phone, which is different from Windows 10. I haven't heard anything about Microsoft merging Windows 10 and Windows Phone.
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That's Windows Phone, which is different from Windows 10. I haven't heard anything about Microsoft merging Windows 10 and Windows Phone.
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Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
shadow78 said:
This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
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feature which will most likely expand to all Android smartphones in the future
in the same aticle never say never
i hope we can don an dual boot with this woud be awesome 1 android 1 windows swith store
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Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
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According to PC msg we are both retards.
http://asia.pcmag.com/microsoft-sur...indows-rt-is-dead-but-microsoft-hasnt-learned
According to the article there are two versions of Windows 10. The first one is the normal desktop Windows, which is direct successor of the (/sarcasm) beloved Windows 8 (/endsarcasm). The second version is a mobile version that runs on both x86 and ARM, but presumably has a smaller footprint and optimised for touch screen control. In order words, it is Windows Phone in all but name.
Running x86 software on ARM isn't impossible, but incredible costly. The ARM processor would have to emulate the x86 hardware, and all hardware emulations are expensive (in terms of processing power and not money). Anyone who had ever used the android emulator that comes with the android development kit knows how painfully slow it is even on a i7 CPU. Trying to run a legacy Windows x86 software on a weaker ARM processor would be insane.
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According to PC msg we are both retards.
http://asia.pcmag.com/microsoft-sur...indows-rt-is-dead-but-microsoft-hasnt-learned
According to the article there are two versions of Windows 10. The first one is the normal desktop Windows, which is direct successor of the (/sarcasm) beloved Windows 8 (/endsarcasm). The second version is a mobile version that runs on both x86 and ARM, but presumably has a smaller footprint and optimised for touch screen control. In order words, it is Windows Phone in all but name.
Running x86 software on ARM isn't impossible, but incredible costly. The ARM processor would have to emulate the x86 hardware, and all hardware emulations are expensive (in terms of processing power and not money). Anyone who had ever used the android emulator that comes with the android development kit knows how painfully slow it is even on a i7 CPU. Trying to run a legacy Windows x86 software on a weaker ARM processor would be insane.
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To be honest we can't say anything until Microsoft releases Windows 10 later this year!
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To be honest we can't say anything until Microsoft releases Windows 10 later this year!
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jes but i still hope it will work woud be great
Windows 10 on Tab s 10.5
Kahun said:
Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
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Where Where Where can I find a tutorial on installing windows 10 on my Tab S? I really want to be able to install netbeans because my freakin laptop got stolen and all I can use is AIDE right now.
Please Help!!!
Completely different platforms, it's not a pc.
If it can eventually be emulated on an android tablet I doubt it will be much use.
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Where Where Where can I find a tutorial on installing windows 10 on my Tab S? I really want to be able to install netbeans because my freakin laptop got stolen and all I can use is AIDE right now.
Please Help!!!
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You won't get Windows 10 on it as theres no drivers
How come this guys can?
www indiegogo com/projects/magicstick-most-powerful-pc-stick-8gb-ram/x/12430960
How can i install windows 10 on samsung tab s?
TurboProgramming said:
How can i install windows 10 on samsung tab s?
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Guess you didn't read the entire thread...YOU CAN NOT INSTALL WIN 10 ON YOUR 10.5 Tab S
2 Biggest reasons why not:
You don't have the proper processor in the 10.5
You'll most likely never get any drivers for the hardware in it
Hi everyone.
I saw before several days on both Windows Central and WMPowerUser that there is a one company that got Windows 10 Mobile on 6" tablet.
Is there a way to put Windows 10 Mobile on my 8" tablet that currently have Windows 8.1 with Bing?
you cant use "Mobile" version on tablets... Mobile is only for phones... look is not impossible but there is a lot problems with that...
But if I remember, Microsoft said that Windows 10 Mobile will also be used on small tablets.
wait first to be released officially to mobile phones, then wait news about that... for now not supported...
Tonchi91 said:
Hi everyone.
I saw before several days on both Windows Central and WMPowerUser that there is a one company that got Windows 10 Mobile on 6" tablet. Is there a way to put Windows 10 Mobile on my 8" tablet that currently have Windows 8.1 with Bing?
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If your tablet has Windows 8.1 with Bing, doesn't mean it has a x86 processor?
Yes, but also from what I know Windows 10 Mobile have integrated support for x86
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Yes, but also from what I know Windows 10 Mobile have integrated support for x86
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According to Microsoft, Windows 10 Mobile has support for Qualcomm SoCs only. There is a mention of phones with x86 SoCs and Windows 10 Mobile, so there might be some hope.
Minimum hardware requirements https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn915086(v=vs.85).aspx