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ChevronWP7 w/ side limit removed.

Has anyone used the no limit version of chevron over an phone that was allready activated w/ developer account? The reason I'm asking is will this give us the best of both worlds? Since the phone will be legally unlocked according to MS, but unlocked with unlimited # of sideloading apps.

FireSokar said:
Has anyone used the no limit version of chevron over an phone that was allready activated w/ developer account? The reason I'm asking is will this give us the best of both worlds? Since the phone will be legally unlocked according to MS, but unlocked with unlimited # of sideloading apps.
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If you are a normal dev, paid the $99, you can deploy 10 apps. I write a lot of apps that will never see the light of day, and I really don't have an issue with the 10 limit...
I haven't exchanged any apps with others, but if I do, I may have an issue then.

FireSokar said:
Has anyone used the no limit version of chevron over an phone that was allready activated w/ developer account? The reason I'm asking is will this give us the best of both worlds? Since the phone will be legally unlocked according to MS, but unlocked with unlimited # of sideloading apps.
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Yeah, I'm having trouble with the limit too. I'm afraid to run Chevron though because I don't want to mess up my legit dev unlock, and the source for Chevron is obfuscated and not worth digging through to figure out if it'd work.

I guess I should toss out, that waiting for a response I used chevron over my unlock. It had to relock, then took installed the cert and unlocked using chevron. I am thinking it will last because the unock is probally verifiying that we are in the MS dev database, not checking certs etc. I think that was an unforseen oversight. I will report any issues btw I am a student so I only get 3 apps. My 3 news readers took up the most part and my game I am deving wouldn't go on until I removed the limit.

FireSokar said:
I guess I should toss out, that waiting for a response I used chevron over my unlock. It had to relock, then took installed the cert and unlocked using chevron. I am thinking it will last because the unock is probally verifiying that we are in the MS dev database, not checking certs etc. I think that was an unforseen oversight. I will report any issues btw I am a student so I only get 3 apps. My 3 news readers took up the most part and my game I am deving wouldn't go on until I removed the limit.
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Could you give me a walkthrough on what you did? I seem to be having trouble with chevron

iamcarl4ever said:
Could you give me a walkthrough on what you did? I seem to be having trouble with chevron
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You want to go to the topic which describes how to edit the registry. It is the easy one or you can find the Chevron which has side apps limit removed. I doubt that it still available. Both methods will allow unlimited side apps. Also, on the topic of how to edit registry, it also allow you to modify different stuff like preventing re-lock Chevron.

spincel said:
You can find the Chevron which has side apps limit removed. I doubt that it still available.
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Dev Account = Unlock? ... Same as Chevron

Ok, this may sound a little stupid but please bear with me....
I'm a student, so I have a ".edu" email address which allowed me to sign up for a free dev account.
Although I'm on a Mac I'm downloading parallels desktop so I can get zune software.
From what I understood from reading these forums...I can use the dev tools and unlock my device with Zune?
Is this essentially the same as using Chevron unlocker?
I can't use Chevron Unlocker because I have a HTC Arrive that has the NoDo update already applied...but if I use the above methods, it would be the same...no?

Yes, as far as I am aware.
I am also a student in the uk with an .ac.uk email
I have signed up and my account is started being activated today, will let you know! I am on NoDo too

I also have a .edu account, so this means I can sign up as a developer and get the official unlock code? Would I actually have to do any developing for them to keep my account open?
I don't have NoDo yet but will want to unlock it once it's available (AT&T branded Focus).

This would be interesting because it say's I can have up to 3 registered devices under my Dev Account.
I personally just created it so I could unlock my NoDo Arrive, but I might actually try at creating some apps...I wonder if it's really that hard

its a little more complicated than what it first seems, but nothing too hard.
Sign up through dreamspark, that gets you your account.
To dev unlock the phone you use the windows phone tools that you get through dreamspark, but it wont let you unlock it untill you have activated your developer account through geotrust
To do this on a student account you have to submit and application to microsoft first. I just created a basic dice roller, there are guides on the internet for how to make this app, it only took me two hours to do using the guide, and 1 day after submitting the app to microsoft I got an email from geotrust asking me to validate my account.
To validate you need to fill in the form with a photocopy of your driver licence or passport and email/fax it to them, they then tell microsoft all is good, and your account is activated
But yeh, if your a student, then its definetly worth doing, because you will effectively be "jailbroken" but in a completely legit microsoft are happy way.

The major problem with an actual developer unlock, is there is a limit on the number of applications you can side-load at the same time - 3 for student accounts, 10 for individual/corporate accounts, if I remember correctly. Makes it difficult to use them for homebrew - I know I had more than 10 homebrew applications together.

loomx said:
its a little more complicated than what it first seems, but nothing too hard.
Sign up through dreamspark, that gets you your account.
To dev unlock the phone you use the windows phone tools that you get through dreamspark, but it wont let you unlock it untill you have activated your developer account through geotrust
To do this on a student account you have to submit and application to microsoft first. I just created a basic dice roller, there are guides on the internet for how to make this app, it only took me two hours to do using the guide, and 1 day after submitting the app to microsoft I got an email from geotrust asking me to validate my account.
To validate you need to fill in the form with a photocopy of your driver licence or passport and email/fax it to them, they then tell microsoft all is good, and your account is activated
But yeh, if your a student, then its definetly worth doing, because you will effectively be "jailbroken" but in a completely legit microsoft are happy way.
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So if we have a student developer account we have to create an app first? Exactly what guide did you use?
I have "ZERO" coding experience, even though I do dabble in web development...is it hard to do? I'm not asking someone to hold my hand, just point me in the general direction.

Isn't there a "hack" available on these forums that allows you to "sideload" more than the limits?
I mean essentially a person could use the free Dev Account to unlock their device, then use the registry hack (available on these forums) to allow more than the limit for sideloading....
...or am I missing something?

Yup there is a hack somewhere, I might give it ago, but TBH, im happy to install the reg editor do the edits and unistall it, then do the same for ringtones and unistall it and so on, and just keep 3 that I really need.
After a bit of googling, it seems it might be even simpler...
You still need to have the Dev tools download from dreamspark, but someone posted that all you need to do is this...
Create a new project.
Build the project.
Look in the bin directory that was created.
Find the .xap.
Then submit that

loomx said:
Yup there is a hack somewhere, I might give it ago, but TBH, im happy to install the reg editor do the edits and unistall it, then do the same for ringtones and unistall it and so on, and just keep 3 that I really need.
After a bit of googling, it seems it might be even simpler...
You still need to have the Dev tools download from dreamspark, but someone posted that all you need to do is this...
Create a new project.
Build the project.
Look in the bin directory that was created.
Find the .xap.
Then submit that
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So even though it's a "shell" app (empty app) and it would get rejected by AppHub...all that really matters is that you submit something for GeoTrust to send you the verification email???

I'm interested in this aswell. I've just updated to nodo.
I'm currently studying computer science at uni and tempted to do a WP7 app for my final year or in my spare time.

Developer Unlock is the same thing as what Chevron does.
For students that are interested, Microsoft provides the Dreamspark program where they give students access to free software, development tools and WP7 developer registration

ducylowycz said:
So even though it's a "shell" app (empty app) and it would get rejected by AppHub...all that really matters is that you submit something for GeoTrust to send you the verification email???
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Exactly. That's all you need. Once you submit it you'll just get an email from "GeoTrust" (Hotmail marked it as spam), and then you'll be on your way.

If you like in a country were Marketplace isn't available yet it complicates things a bit.
Even if you get a student account tied to your swedish live-account(like I did) you can't access the Marketplace. But you can still submit apps and get them published with that account!
The only solution here is to get a UK/USA live-account and then jailbreak your phone.
So when NoDo gets released I have to choose between running my own apps or run apps from the Marketplace.

The live account on your phone, doesnt have to match the live account of your developer account as far as I am aware.
My phone is now Dev unlocked and on No-Do.
If you install advance config,it can make it so you can sideload as many apps as you want

Do you think there should be a tut for doing this?
I was thinking of creating one because, as of now, this is the only option to "unlock" our devices.

Ok...I have everything installed but when I "build" the app and submit it to Apphub, it just gives me an exception out of range error...
Any insight?

ducylowycz said:
Do you think there should be a tut for doing this?
I was thinking of creating one because, as of now, this is the only option to "unlock" our devices.
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It's pretty simple - register your student email with dreamspark
submit an app (doesn't even have to work) to get geotrust to start the identity process
when you verify your identity wait 2 business day
You now have the option to have 3 devices that can be unlocked
For the respective device, go and edit the registry to increase the app loading limit to unlimited (student has I think 3) and you're done
Legit chevron. unlocked device for sideloading. I'll be getting my brother to do it for his phone as well as his school too! Although I can see an impending rape of this...
It's also pretty profitable...

my country is not in the list box, singapore is the closest one, im from indonesia, any suggestion?

domineus said:
It's pretty simple - register your student email with dreamspark
submit an app (doesn't even have to work) to get geotrust to start the identity process
when you verify your identity wait 2 business day
You now have the option to have 3 devices that can be unlocked
For the respective device, go and edit the registry to increase the app loading limit to unlimited (student has I think 3) and you're done
Legit chevron. unlocked device for sideloading. I'll be getting my brother to do it for his phone as well as his school too! Although I can see an impending rape of this...
It's also pretty profitable...
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I just spent 2 hours to figure out the tools and built a quote of the day app. Just submitted it. Will wait for Geotrust to contact me.
Well although many might abuse it, it will expose students to the platform. MS has really good tools. I am not a computer major, but I managed to build an app in 2 hours. I am quite exited about my app..and I will definitely read more about the tools and try few more things.
PS: now I need to buy a windows phone device :-D

[Q] PREVIEW Mango update with student developer account?

As the title suggests... i have a student developer account with APP HUB, can I update PREVIEW mango version (released/releasing these few days) with my phone still?
As i know, currently its the "paid" developers that have access to Preview mango update.
Let me know~ really hoping this works!!

i want to know too please

toothfish said:
As the title suggests... i have a student developer account with APP HUB, can I update PREVIEW mango version (released/releasing these few days) with my phone still?
As i know, currently its the "paid" developers that have access to Preview mango update.
Let me know~ really hoping this works!!
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Student App Hub accounts are identical to normal App Hub accounts.

nop they are not, they are similair but different.

I dont think the beta is coming as soon as they said
https://twitter.com/#!/BrandonWatson/status/83158862823297025

Rats...... but thanks for the update~

The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74

Heathcliff74 said:
The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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Any How to for capturing the traffic, I'm sure tons of people would like to participate if it was easy. Just start Wireshark and upload the log and that's it?

Yeah man, I'm willing to give this a shot when the update comes out, more than willing for the community... jejeje
I would like to know how to do this. I can post whatever comes out... I have an Arrive... We shall see... jejeje
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Heathcliff74 said:
The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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ok,i'm with an apphub account(student) so the mango update for developers will be available on the dowload section directly on apphub(like the mango SDK 7.1) or i have to register my device ID to my account?
i couldn't myself,it's microsoft to register my device ID to my apphub account it is?

Heathcliff74 said:
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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I think they'll do something similar to the XBox Dashboard Previews, meaning that ultimately you'll be able to install mango preview on any device, but they'll enable Windows Live sign-in only for registered devices, server side.
Unfortunately Microsoft has always been *****y about these preview things.

blindpet said:
Any How to for capturing the traffic, I'm sure tons of people would like to participate if it was easy. Just start Wireshark and upload the log and that's it?
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I'm no expert in Wireshark. I know how to use it for my own purposes. So this is what I would do, but if someone else has additional suggestions, feel free to help. The updates are over standard http, not https, so that makes it easier.
- Connect your phone to your computer and wait for Zune to be ready with sync.
- Download and start Wireshark.
- Select the network-interface you want to log (to be sure keep only one network-interface enabled, just to be sure you'll capture the correct interface).
- To be sure you capture the traffic from the phone too, go to menu Edit / Preferences. Select User Interface / Capture. And enable option Capture packets in Promiscuous Mode.
- To filter all unwanted data type this in the Filter textbox: http && !tcp.analysis.out_of_order && !tcp.analysis.retransmission
- Start update with Zune.
- When the update is ready, stop the capture and save it to a file.
To test if this works, do the above and use Internet Explorer on your phone. You should see the traffic in Wireshark.

hd2leo_fusion said:
ok,i'm with an apphub account(student) so the mango update for developers will be available on the dowload section directly on apphub(like the mango SDK 7.1) or i have to register my device ID to my account?
i couldn't myself,it's microsoft to register my device ID to my apphub account it is?
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I clearly said it was for paid and registered developers. Have you paid for your student account? Guess not. So unfortunately this beta is not going available for you. Even if you would register as a beta-tester. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway, because I haven't done that.

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I clearly said it was for paid and registered developers. Have you paid for your student account? Guess not. So unfortunately this beta is not going available for you. Even if you would register as a beta-tester. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway, because I haven't done that.
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Thats interesting... May I ask where you have that information from? I could not find anything on the create.msdn.com (app hub) forums about it. Was it in the news section somewhere?
Quite odd they wont give it to students.

Marvin_S said:
Thats interesting... May I ask where you have that information from? I could not find anything on the create.msdn.com (app hub) forums about it. Was it in the news section somewhere?
Quite odd they wont give it to students.
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Ciao,
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Many sources:
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Yes read those, it does not specifically says student accounts wont get it. Brandon watson also tweeted "@arnehelseth Every developer matters. Every. Single. One. Deep breath everyone". Don't know if this means something and is in the right context or not.
The articles just say it will be released to developer unlocked apphub account, which you can normally get by paying 99$ (they dont speak about student unlocks in particular).
"Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices."
Yes it indicates paid subscription, however does not really rule out student subscriptions since they are pretty much equal to MS. I dont know if we have to take these words literally or if its quickly written.
"The software giant will also offer beta bits for developers to load directly onto their devices, reports Neowin. Mango ROMs will be made available to existing Windows Phone developers via Microsoft’s App Hub development program. Access to the developer program is charged at $99 per year."
Students have free access to the App Hub development program.
I could not find where you need to sign up for the beta, have not read a mention about this. I could not find it in these sources.
You are probably right though that its only for paid subscriptions, since its easier to check who is a ginuine dev. I just wondered since I have not seen a clear "No to student account" post so I was not really sure about what to believe. Thank you for the clearification.

All sources I read stated that you need to have a paid registration. So it does not say 'no students' but students don't pay, so I guess that rules it out.
About the registered Mango beta tester, I don't see it right now, but I'm sure I've read that.
Anyway, we'll wait and see. Speculating now is not of much use.

Heathcliff74 said:
All sources I read stated that you need to have a paid registration. So it does not say 'no students' but students don't pay, so I guess that rules it out.
About the registered Mango beta tester, I don't see it right now, but I'm sure I've read that.
Anyway, we'll wait and see. Speculating now is not of much use.
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True, and they can always make a change of heart. Thanks we will see. If students get it, ill try and log the process with wireshark.

Marvin_S said:
True, and they can always make a change of heart. Thanks we will see. If students get it, ill try and log the process with wireshark.
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Ok. That would be cool. But I have to stress again: If you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore. So if that is a problem for you, then you shouldn't upgrade. What would be interesting to know is, if you have such software that uses native code (like WP7 Root Tools, TouchXplorer, Screencam, etc) already on your phone, will it still be possible to use it after the upgrade?? And.. will the ChevronWP7 unlock survive the upgrade if you have to "prevent relock tweak" applied??

Heathcliff74 said:
Ok. That would be cool. But I have to stress again: If you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore. So if that is a problem for you, then you shouldn't upgrade. What would be interesting to know is, if you have such software that uses native code (like WP7 Root Tools, TouchXplorer, Screencam, etc) already on your phone, will it still be possible to use it after the upgrade?? And.. will the ChevronWP7 unlock survive the upgrade if you have to "prevent relock tweak" applied??
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Yes I know. Thats what I wonder as well. Since we could use OEM apps added trough the marketplace. So upgrading with these apps in place might work. Ill also make a few zune backups so I can roll back just in case.
If roottools still works we might be able to set the prevent relock again. Im wondering about the sideload limit, because thats the most annoying thing for me. 3 is not much to sideload and I like to keep the apps Im developing on my phone to test them on the road.
Well Im trying not to get my hopes up for Mango anytime soon, but if its for students also Ill give it a shot. And I can maybe PM you before, if you can think of some things you want me to test out for you.

Windows Phone "Jailbreak App Store"

I am trying to see if anybody in this thread would like to start developing a beginning to a Windows Phone "Jailbreak App store" meaning that the whole cummunity of homebrew apps could all be in one place. As I am aware to jailbreak ios and install "Cydia" you must hold the power and home button in a certain order. Since all Windows phones have the power button, unlock, and volume I think that this could work if a similar process like what is done in ios will be done with windows phone since they are both closed source operating systems. I am not a developer I truely dont know all the details of how something like this could work. I am asking if the whole Windows phone cummunity could work together and get this going.
Thanks

Maybe XDA-DEV could manage the server so it would grow fastly if every dev who post his app in the thread automaticly to the appstore but only final realeases or only apps who cant brick the device. Cool idea but to let a server work cost money and who pays it ?

dstyl said:
Maybe XDA-DEV could manage the server so it would grow fastly if every dev who post his app in the thread automaticly to the appstore but only final realeases or only apps who cant brick the device. Cool idea but to let a server work cost money and who pays it ?
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The whole Windows Phone cummunity could pay for the servers together. Maybe there could be some awesome paid homebrew apps in there that could supply money for the server.

Xda doesn't support piracy.
Sent from my Touch-IT HD7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

I don't support the "crack paid apps" either.
My ideas for these "alternative marketplace" is for those developers/hobbies to make their apps and allow others to use it.
I don't mind the "homebrew" apps is chargable, coz if you look at some apps in Cydia, it also have some apps which chargable due to that app is rejected by Apple.
Same thing goes here. M$ need developer to pay USD99 to get an account, with each FREE apps posted charge for USD25! This will highly PUSH away the developers.
Further more, NOT all regions/countries are supported by M$ marketplace (like my country are not).
So this is a good alternative for developers to post their app.

hardik_hrc said:
Xda doesn't support piracy.
Sent from my Touch-IT HD7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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he ment a WP7 Version of CYDIA

liamhere said:
he ment a WP7 Version of CYDIA
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Thanks this is to be a WP7 cydia no piracy involved at all. I am trying to get this started and hoping that we start somewhere.

shawchyn said:
I don't support the "crack paid apps" either.
My ideas for these "alternative marketplace" is for those developers/hobbies to make their apps and allow others to use it.
I don't mind the "homebrew" apps is chargable, coz if you look at some apps in Cydia, it also have some apps which chargable due to that app is rejected by Apple.
Same thing goes here. M$ need developer to pay USD99 to get an account, with each FREE apps posted charge for USD25! This will highly PUSH away the developers.
Further more, NOT all regions/countries are supported by M$ marketplace (like my country are not).
So this is a good alternative for developers to post their app.
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Since i want this to be cummunity thing and want to push this forward and i forgot to mention these advantages with an alternative marketplace also.

actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
we are curently making it only for cab updates but i dont see why we couldent impement this
as me and winco are alredy working on wcabsender and he has alredy made beta version of W.I.N.C.O.'s XapAssistant v.0.5.0
we have to make web server for cab files and such anyway i dont see why xaps would be any diffrent why pay more than one server when we could just have one and let it self make money!??
i gess pm me with detales if you like i will look them over!
seams like a nice alternitive

jackrabbit72380 said:
actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
we are curently making it only for cab updates but i dont see why we couldent impement this
as me and winco are alredy working on wcabsender and he has alredy made beta version of W.I.N.C.O.'s XapAssistant v.0.5.0
we have to make web server for cab files and such anyway i dont see why xaps would be any diffrent why pay more than one server when we could just have one and let it self make money!??
i gess pm me with detales if you like i will look them over!
seams like a nice alternitive
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This is a GOOD NEWS!
I wish to see it work soon.

jackrabbit72380 said:
actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
we are curently making it only for cab updates but i dont see why we couldent impement this
as me and winco are alredy working on wcabsender and he has alredy made beta version of W.I.N.C.O.'s XapAssistant v.0.5.0
we have to make web server for cab files and such anyway i dont see why xaps would be any diffrent why pay more than one server when we could just have one and let it self make money!??
i gess pm me with detales if you like i will look them over!
seams like a nice alternitive
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This is great news I would like for some of the developers to take over this.

anyone want to just start and alternative marketplace for homebrew and everything else?

Sounds like an amazing idea. Microsoft don't allow apps that promote voice plans, would be nice to have an alternative store to list a full version of my app (it allows you to buy and remove value packs for 2° of which some are voice packs)

I am / was working on a homebrew Marketplace aswell. The listing and downloading of XAPs is not the problem. You just Need a small search algorithm and a database to search and find the apps but the big Problem is installing them. Unless you have the DFT (I guess it was them) ROM that allows XAPs installed directly from the web, you wont be able to install any XAP on the device.
Cool thats my 111th post

Ludacris said:
I am / was working on a homebrew Marketplace aswell. The listing and downloading of XAPs is not the problem. You just Need a small search algorithm and a database to search and find the apps but the big Problem is installing them. Unless you have the DFT (I guess it was them) ROM that allows XAPs installed directly from the web, you wont be able to install any XAP on the device.
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You are right! This the biggest issue!

I guess I could start working on the Store again. I guess it will be done in a few days.
Will allow downloading XAPs, updating them, browsing them. The installing part would have to be made by one of the WP7 hackers - as soon as this is sorted out (as said, it partly is) the store can go online

shawchyn said:
You are right! This the biggest issue!
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not realy an issue because the wcabsender program we are working on
will have an esaly updateable data base of servers listed for cab files the list will be a file called CabData.xml wich we are curently wrighing
it curently contains links to all of xbmods cab files so the program will download and up date your phone and make the hole process very simple
insted of downloading them one buy one and usein wp7 cab sender,bat file
anyway teh cabs can contain up to 60 .xap files and or other content not just apps but content for custom updates to actuly modify the os it self!
users are alredy able to make custom updates much like a carrer would adding addisional features such as new wallpapers ring tones accent colors and even more!
so say we had a new custom game.cab that would incluude not only the new game .xap but also new ringtones & walpapers and assents from teh game or even custom icons for your default icons so your hole phone could look like the new game you just got sorta like premeum themes for on the xbox360 dashbord!
the store is made up of servers from he list and auto updated and loged with in the program you could tecnicly upload your xap to anyware and simple send me the url to add to the server list right now and the store would be opened at teh time of beta relese of our program! our program is close to beta relese but we still have much work to be done on it if you want to get involved please pm me i have more art to do and winco has more code to wright we do not curently even have all of the online avalible cab urls listed in the CabData.xml thare are curently about 10 just for testing!
we ar the only to people working on this project with the okay from xbmod as he is aware of what weare up to but im in the us and winco is in slovika and dose not speak good english infact has to translate everyhang i send him and he dosent get most of my notes teh hole consept was thought up of teh back to the future rom v2 and winco has never even seen teh move he dosent quite grasp teh consept but has managed to make the program a reality not theamed exactly how i had in mind but never the less my idia is now a reality soon to be relesed we could realy use some help with a couple more members on bord we could surely use the help! to get thangs done and out quicker we both have other projects as well and we are both in difrent time zones wich makes thangs even more diffucult winco dosent have time to browse teh forms or post updates like i do!
hes just to bizzy and to be honist so am i!
the offical wcabsender development thread is in the hd2 section please post thare! or pm me! if you have any talent services or advice to offer!
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1278511

But that Thing is on the Desktop side, right?

Most (atlease for me) would like to see the xap file direct install thru air to the phone, instead of go thru the desktop.

ofc, but if I got their idea right its a Desktop app that allows sending CABs to the phone

question about chevronwp7

Erm sorry but can someone explain to me what's chevronwp7 in simple words? I know it's like a jail break or something and it can sideload apps or something. can someone explain to me these few things:
1) what's sideloading?
2) are there any risks involved using it?
3) does it allow me to download any apps from the marketplace or something? if not, what can I do with it?
sorry I'm kind of a noob about wp7. just asking this coz I was thinking of getting a new phone, either android or wp7. Thanks in advance!

This really belongs more in the Q&A forum, but...
Sideloading is the process of installing an application onto your phone directly from a PC, instead of using the marketplace. Apps for sideloading are packaged in ZIP files with the extension changed to XAP. They work almost exactly like marketplace apps (there are a few small differences).
In order to sideload applications, your phone needs to be developer-unlocked. There are multiple ways to do this. ChevronWP7 Unlocker, which only works on the first two versions on WP7 (not on any build 7389 or higher), is an unofficial technique, which some have referred to as jailbreaking. There are other techniques, such as registering for a marketplace developer account (or getting help from somebody who has registered), or using the forthcoming ChevronWP7 Labs (same guys, different project), or using the registry editor built into LG phones. That's all that dev-unlock is, incidentally - a registry edit. It is a perfectly normal change, nothing close to the level of lackery of jailbreaking in iPhone.
Technically, there are no risks to dev-unlocking your phone, although I suppose using some of the unofficial methods do carry risks if done incorrectly. However, there are definitely risks to sideloading applications. Sideloaded apps can make changes to your phone - in some cases, big changes, potentially including malware or making your phone not work - and they haven't gone through the verification process that Microsoft uses to keep harmful software out of the marketplace. In general, the apps published through XDA-Developers are reputable, but there is no guarantee. Even an app that is not intended to be harmful could mess something up by accident. I and some other developers post the source code to our apps, partially as a way of allowing people to check and ensure that our apps do only what they say they do.
Developer-unlocking does not allow you to install marketplace apps without paying for them. That's not at all what this forum is about, and asking about it is not a good idea - at best, you'll probably just get the thread locked. Please go elsewhere if you want to talk piracy.
What sideloading is useful for is installing apps that, for whatever reason, Microsoft doesn't allow in the marketplace. These apps range from small tweaks to the phone (adding a custom theme color or changing notification sounds, for example), to adding features that aren't officially available (things like Internet tethering for a PC), to opening up the phone's security completely and allowing you to do nearly whatever you want with it.
I hope that answers your questions. As to WP7 vs. Android, that really depends on what you want out of the phone. In either case, it's not a good topic of discussion for the development and hacking forum.

so in a way, chevronwp7 enables the phone be able to download third-party apps from the net? like how android can download .apk files?

Right now, ChevronWP7 Unlocker typically doesn't enable anything - it hasn't worked since the first versions of WP7, nearly a year ago. If you have a really old phone or flash a really old ROM, I guess you could still use it.
However, you're correct that developer-unlocking a phone (which is what ChevronWP7 Unlocker did) allows you to download third-party apps off the Internet (or develop them on your own PC) and install them to the phone using USB. Unless you're using a custom ROM, you can't install them straight to the phone; instead you use one of the many XAP deployment tools.
WP7 application packages are files with the .XAP extension (I believe it originally stood for "XNA Application Package). I believe they are similar to Android's .APK files, though I haven't actually cracked one of those open to look.