Starting this thread to help document the specific findings and phone behaviour along with network quirks.
So we have a base line I am on Mobilicity with their $55 unlimited everything (calls, texts, data) plan which I went for the 50% off promo and it's $27.50 a month. I just picked up the Rogers Nokia Lumia 900 last night (already have the Lumia 710 from Rogers) and was lucky enough to pay for an unlock code and receive it in 35 minutes last night as well.
Other details are that I seem to be picking up CDN Roaming as a network and the other networks diplayed are Bell and Telus (no Rogers showing network). It could be showing CDN Roaming since it a Rogers phone unlocked, but my 710 does show Mobilicity. The 900 is lacking the Nokia Network Setup app and it's no longer downloadable from the Market Place. My 710 did have the app preinstalled.
I was having some significant issues with the phone last night. Not sure if it was me, the phone or the network. I did bring it to work and had a chance to show a co-worker the phone after 5PM. I told him what was going on. He says pop in the SIM and lets' see. Well... I now get CDN Roaming all the time and had to turn on roaming to get it to that state. Bars are anywhere from 2 to 4. Also trying to make an actual call, the bars will disappear and a small "do not enter" symbol is over the greyed out bars, but the call is still connected !! I will check my Mobilicity account to see if the phone is actually roaming, or the phone is just telling me it's roaming but its actually not.
Data does work as I tried basic web surfing on the browser, but it seems quite slow. Not sure if there's any tweaking I can do. So it does work but in a quirky way. I will now continue to fiddle with it to see what I can do for improvements.
Any comments or suggestions, please write them here.....
also I'm adding a pic of the phone label to show the bands that are listed from the factory. Not sure how I can confirm if these frequency bands are correct or not.
okay, definately there is no way of connecting from home location. I either get "no service" or "Emergency Only" displayed on the phone. I also checked on the calls I was able to make earlier today with a co-worker and they were billed as roaming calls. Not looking to promising that this phone will work. Will give it another half hour but the fact that the 4 calls I made today were billed as roaming calls, is putting a damper on things.
Did you end up calling Nokia?
That would be the only real way to find out if Band 4 (1700/2100) is capable of non-LTE connection.
Also, the Nokia Network Setup app only adjusts SMS, voicemail, and data settings. I don't think it would help in this situation.
No... didn't want to call Nokia until I could confirm performance. It's definately not working correctly at home location. My Lumia 710 works perfectly. I wonder if it could be the same issue of connections that the AT&T units have? Seems AT&T and Rogers are giving account holders $100 for the trouble.
I think I am just going to return it unless somone in the forum wants to buy it from me ? I will throw in the unlock for free ! Although it seems it would only work for Bell and Telus.
PaullikesWINMO said:
No... didn't want to call Nokia until I could confirm performance. It's definately not working correctly at home location. My Lumia 710 works perfectly. I wonder if it could be the same issue of connections that the AT&T units have? Seems AT&T and Rogers are giving account holders $100 for the trouble.
I think I am just going to return it unless somone in the forum wants to buy it from me ? I will throw in the unlock for free ! Although it seems it would only work for Bell and Telus.
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It should work on the sub-operators like Fido, Koodo, etc, too.
despite what the label on the box reads, here is the official Nokia Canada website....
http://www.nokia.com/ca-en/products/phone/lumia900/specifications/
The 1700/2100 are definately LTE.
PaullikesWINMO said:
despite what the label on the box reads, here is the official Nokia Canada website....
http://www.nokia.com/ca-en/products/phone/lumia900/specifications/
The 1700/2100 are definately LTE.
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I've contacted Nokia via both email and twitter asking if LTE Band 4 is backwards compatible with W-CDMA. We shall see...
Hey bud i just got one too in black. Tried it out on wind mobile. Exact same problem. Luckily Bell/Chatr/Fido work.
I heard about this baseband modification thing. I really like this phone and hope i can get it to work on Wind. I just upgraded from the HD7... well i still use it cause wind wont work on this.
I just got off the phone with Nokia and they told me that the Lumia 900 does indeed support Band 4 with WCDMA.
So either the lady I talked to was wrong, or there is something else going on here.
All I know is it was not working for me.
And trust me I've have plenty of cell phones and smart phones over the years. I suffered enough with a Rogers Samsung Focus on FIDO long enough that iIwasn't putting up with any kind of non-compatibility. So yes the label says one thing and that's why I bought it, but I have to go with the specs listed on the Nokia Canada website this time around.
BTW... sold the phone on Kijiji within 4 hours !
have you try to turn off both 2G(GSM) and LTE, leave only the 3G WCDMA and see if you can manual scan out wind/mobility/tmobile on it?
And also this might be the Micro SIm issue, since offically Mobility and Wind don't have a Micro Sim, and the mini Sim cutting might not work, > just saw another post from t-mobile threadmentioned the Sim card cutter not work s on Lumia 900.
Thinking of this phone too, using N8 with both rogers and Wind works on, so really wish it supports Wind too.
alextheangel said:
have you try to turn off both 2G(GSM) and LTE, leave only the 3G WCDMA and see if you can manual scan out wind/mobility/tmobile on it?
And also this might be the Micro SIm issue, since offically Mobility and Wind don't have a Micro Sim, and the mini Sim cutting might not work, > just saw another post from t-mobile threadmentioned the Sim card cutter not work s on Lumia 900.
Thinking of this phone too, using N8 with both rogers and Wind works on, so really wish it supports Wind too.
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I sold the phone long ago so can't test anything else. Maybe once Rogers releases the update and if somone want to unlock their phone, I am willing to test with my SIM card. Yes it was a regular sim cut down to microSIM (works in my lumia 710).
This ad seems to suggest the 900 works on Mobilicity !?
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-...-Mobilicity-Phones-SPECIAL-W0QQAdIdZ372455155
I've send them an email but I doubt they will respond.
Is there anyone out there with an unlocked Rogers Nokia Lumia that has been updated willing to let me test my Mobilicity SIM card ? Or alternatively, I'm willing to pay for an unlock code if I can do some testing with your phone. The unlock code should be $9 or less anyway. If you are in Markham/Richmond Hill area (north of Toronto) and willing to try, let me know.
I don't have Wind/Mobilicity line, but I noticed when I search for available networks on my Lumia 900 (which btw I am using on a TELUS line), neither Wind nor Mobilicity show up as available network. All it shows is Bell, Telus and Rogers.
Mobilicity on unlocked 900 - a work in progress
Hello good folks.
I've been reading XDA for awhile but stayed quiet in the background until I have something good to share.
Quick background: I've mod iphone 2G, 3G, Andriod Galaxy Nexus S, and worked on WP7 and WP 7.5 on the Lumia 800, 900 and HTC HD7. I have active Bell, Rogers and Mobilicity lines for testing.
I went through hell and back to try to get the 900 to work on Mobilicity and still with no success, yet.
Here's the snippet:
I cut my Mobilicity normal SIM chip with razor sharp hair shear to the micro sim chip size. I made sure the SIM chip board marking lined up with another Micro-sim I had;
Popped in the now downsized Mobilicity SIM into the Rogers Lumia 900;
It recognizes it as an active chip and displays the locked phone message;
I went to cellunlocker dot net to purchase the unlock code for $16;
Voila, phone is now unlocked;
Inserted in the mobilicity chip and it doesn't pick up the network automatically;
Tried switching network setting to AUTO\ 4G, reboot then 3G, reboot then Edge... nothing worked. Then tried the same series of testing with Network Selection for each network type;
Punched in dial code to access the field test area ##3282# ;
In 3G WDCMA, it shows "RRCStatus Disconnected" even though it picks up all the other settings in the WCDMA field. Crap!
Went to Mobilicity to get an official Micro-SIM designed for their 710, just in case the cutting affected the chip. No success;
Had them activate their micro sim chip. No success;
I called up Nokia support and they couldn'tr troubleshoot it. They also tried the explanation that if I unlocked the phone that they would not TS it but I said I am working for Mr Ballmer and was doing test case studies with this phone and needed it to work in unlock mode. I also indirecty worked for Rogers too on a different technology, so I could easily contacted who I needed to inside Rogers for the unlock code if need be (I would need a name though).
So the conversation continued and they directed me to go to the Nokia service center in Newmarket Ontario;
Hopped into the car and drove while I still had the official active micro-sim from mobilicity and checking it during the drive to see if it picks up any signal.
Passing north of Toronto into the Aurora area, I noticed the phone automatically picked up the CDN Roaming labelled network! I tried dialing out, failed.
I arrived at the service center, called Flextronic (213 Harry Walkers Parkway South, Newmarket, Ontario);
Long story short, the engineer did not know how to work on or troubleshoot the Nokia 900 yet. He said usually Nokia would send down their own engineer to train Flextronic on how to TS and code configure the 900. They currently only knew the 710. I asked if anything he knew from the 710 could help configure the 900 RRCStatus from disconnected to connected, says no.
Drove back south to Toronto and once I entered TO, I lost the CDN Roaming connection and it could no longer pick up any network.
Side Note:
Once the 900 was code unlocked, I was able to plug in my Bell micro-sim and it worked.
I pluged in my Rogers micro-sim and it worked too for obvious reason.
I wished we weren't stuck with the Rogers version of the OSPL. It annoys me to even see the Rogers logo when it boots up. My 800 is direct from Nokia marketing so it's never been locked and doesn't have any carrier mucking with the OS or the OSPL. Unfortunately it doesn't support the Band IV, 1700 wave.
Cheers and hope this saves you time from trying out the steps above.
Great summary !
Yes I too got CDN Roaming in the 404/Major Mackenzie area and actually was able to make calls (had money in the "my wallet" account). It actually charged out as roaming as funds were less in the account when I checked it from home.
Luckily I had limited the calls so I was down about 60 cents.
Rogers probably had the phone programed much like AT&T did so you can't use it on AWS networks. Kind of cuts the competition in half so to speak.
Wish there was a Microsoft store in Canada like they have in the USA, but not sure if the phones would be totally wide open for all networks.
Should be interesting to see what happens during Microsoft's World Partner Conference this coming July in Toronto. I understand there is about 15,000 people from around the world attending. My suspicions are Windows 8 will be launched and there will be more phones and tablets introduced that will run the platform. Should be a spectacle to see. About 7 weeks to go. Can't wait !
PaullikesWINMO said:
Great summary !
Yes I too got CDN Roaming in the 404/Major Mackenzie area and actually was able to make calls (had money in the "my wallet" account). It actually charged out as roaming as funds were less in the account when I checked it from home.
Luckily I had limited the calls so I was down about 60 cents.
Rogers probably had the phone programed much like AT&T did so you can't use it on AWS networks. Kind of cuts the competition in half so to speak.
Wish there was a Microsoft store in Canada like they have in the USA, but not sure if the phones would be totally wide open for all networks.
Should be interesting to see what happens during Microsoft's World Partner Conference this coming July in Toronto. I understand there is about 15,000 people from around the world attending. My suspicions are Windows 8 will be launched and there will be more phones and tablets introduced that will run the platform. Should be a spectacle to see. About 7 weeks to go. Can't wait !
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This model simply does not have HSPA band IV (AWS 1700/2100). The EMEA model lacks LTE, but has pentaband HSPA. You can't use the Rogers or AT&T model (which has the same hardware) on AWS only providers like Mobilicity or WIND.
let's hope a true AWS 1700/2100 model becomes available soon.
This might get slightly off topic but there is a BIG announcement coming from Microsoft on Monday. Likely it's for Microsoft Tablet, but who knows maybe it's more phones in preparation for new OS ?
alextheangel said:
have you try to turn off both 2G(GSM) and LTE, leave only the 3G WCDMA and see if you can manual scan out wind/mobility/tmobile on it?
And also this might be the Micro SIm issue, since offically Mobility and Wind don't have a Micro Sim, and the mini Sim cutting might not work, > just saw another post from t-mobile threadmentioned the Sim card cutter not work s on Lumia 900.
Thinking of this phone too, using N8 with both rogers and Wind works on, so really wish it supports Wind too.
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I had my SIM card (Rogers) from my Galaxy Note cut yesterday and it DOES work in my Nokia Lumia 900 with no issues.
Just wanted to advise...
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The people that pre-ordered from Rogers would be receiving units by now. Anything unique besides the branding ? Are features same? And what are the frequenecies listed on the side of the box? (pics please)
Anything else different or unique from what has been written about the AT&T model, please post here.
Picked up the Lumia 900 from my local Rogers store yesterday as soon as I got the call.
As you mentioned, the box is slightly different than what I've seen from the AT&T unboxing videos.
The unit itself thankfully has no Rogers branding whatsoever on it, so the Nokia logo is nicely centered unlike the AT&T version.
Another thing of note I guess is that the rogers version comes with a nokia in-ear headset (albeit cheap-looking).
Everything else is pretty much the same as the ATT (except no "Do not TXT and Drive" warning adhesive on device, just clear plastic ).
Sorry for no pics but I can list the frequencies for you that is on side of box:
Nokia 900.1 RM -808 ROGCA Black
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100
Hope that helps!
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Picked up the Lumia 900 from my local Rogers store yesterday as soon as I got the call.
As you mentioned, the box is slightly different than what I've seen from the AT&T unboxing videos.
The unit itself thankfully has no Rogers branding whatsoever on it, so the Nokia logo is nicely centered unlike the AT&T version.
Another thing of note I guess is that the rogers version comes with a nokia in-ear headset (albeit cheap-looking).
Everything else is pretty much the same as the ATT (except no "Do not TXT and Drive" warning adhesive on device, just clear plastic ).
Sorry for no pics but I can list the frequencies for you that is on side of box:
Nokia 900.1 RM -808 ROGCA Black
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100
Hope that helps!
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Pics of the HSPA Bands? I wonder if the ATT version just has the 900/1700 bands disabled through firmware
keepo12 said:
Sorry for no pics but I can list the frequencies for you that is on side of box:
Nokia 900.1 RM -808 ROGCA Black
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100
Hope that helps!
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HELLO !!! Those specs are very nice !! If those bands are true
WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100, then if unlocked should work quite nicely with Mobilicity. T-Mobile people in the USA will want to take note !
I'll have to see if Rogers store has got any to sell. I'm not a Rogers customer and could not do a pre-order.
you guys could go to the website lol.
heres a pic, sorry for my awesome circle
http://i42.tinypic.com/o925qf.png
There IS a Rogers boot logo when you start up the phone unfortunately. Rogers also preinstalled a few apps but like all WPs, these are removable.
(Got mine yesterday as well)
Love to see a pic of the front. These are unlocked?
stratax said:
you guys could go to the website lol.
heres a pic, sorry for my awesome circle
http://i42.tinypic.com/o925qf.png
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Well in typical fashion what is stated on the website and what is on the side of the box don't match ! This is why I ask the question because websites are hand typed by humans and they get it wrong. Especially at Rogers ! When I bought my Lumia 710 there, the specs on the website had no mention of 1700/2100 bands, yet the box had it listed. I unlocked my 710 and works like a charm on Mobilicity.
The box for the Lumia 900 is exactly what the 710 has, and there is no mention of LTE bands on the box at all. So more investigation is needed. But this is very encouraging to see.
I have verified at a WirelessWave kiosk (they had stock), and called a few Rogers store, and found a 1 store with stock. I would have bought it at WirelessWave but they would only sell off contract with a protection plan. The protection plan was another $100. No thanks!
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100
On my way out the door in 10 minutes. Need to do some more reading first.
If these are unlockable and have unrestricted tethering I think we have a real winner on our hands for using with T-Mobile.
What is the tethering situation?
It has potential. Here is a picture from the unit that I just bought. No pre-order, no waiting, just called around to see who had stock. Rogers store just south of me had them. I asked if they would sell off contract and they said sure. Went to store, no muss no fuss, checked the spec before making purchase, and here is the picture!
Will try to unlock now. I suspect that might take a day or two by the sounds of things.
Okay... paid for unlock code.. 35 minutes later... it arrived !
Now the snag... seems I'm not getting any reception. Wireless (WiFi) works, but no cell reception or carrier name coming up.
Checking in Nokia Apps, there is no Network Setup App on the phone or appearing to be available in the Market Place. Uh-oh....
Anyone got any suggestions?
Well...
I'm also with Mobilicity and I've been waiting on a confirmation that the phone has the AWS Band 4 frequency (1700). I'm afraid to say that the Lumia 900 clearly doesn't have the necessary bands even though the box says it does. I got my hopes up too, but it seems pretty definitive here. If you unlocked it and popped in the Sim card you should get phone reception no problem, you would only need the network app to configure the Data, but phone should definitely show bars within a min or so.
This blows big time. I say return it now that you've confirmed it doesn't have the frequency. But, complain big time to Nokia, because this is not right! Absolutely ridiculous that the box lists the frequency!
Hmm... in Settings>system>cellular right now. Punched in the APN. It does find Bell, Telus and CDN Roaming. No matter what Mobilicity or Wind is not there. Not giving up on this yet....
but,
that's the settings for data. If the phone had the 1700 frequency it would work on it's own, at least the phone. You'd be able to make and receive calls. Every phone I ever used, once you pop in the SIM card, if it has the frequency it will work at least to make calls. I don't see what can be done. The settings on the phone are limited, even IF it has the frequency and it's been disabled or something, nothing we can do, we can't enable it
I'm bummed about this too. I have the Lumia 710 on Mobilicity and was hoping this bad boy would work.
Try restarting the phone, pulling out the battery for 30 sec, and doing a hard reset....although I don't think it would do much. Let me know.
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oops, forgot battery can't be pulled.
Yes... it could be Rogers has some kind of other lock on it ? When WiFi is tunred on I can surf no issue. I went to the Market Place and the Network Setup App is not there. Could be Rogers has a profile setup on the phone and that cannot be changed?
I have a Lumia 710 as well and that is on Mobilicity with no issue other than standard unlock. I think the bands are right on the box (I took a pic and posted) but seems there is some other kind of lock.
PS: the 900 is a completely sealed phone... cannot pull battery. Will try a factory reset though.
PaullikesWINMO said:
Okay... paid for unlock code.. 35 minutes later... it arrived !
Now the snag... seems I'm not getting any reception. Wireless (WiFi) works, but no cell reception or carrier name coming up.
Checking in Nokia Apps, there is no Network Setup App on the phone or appearing to be available in the Market Place. Uh-oh....
Anyone got any suggestions?
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Where did you pay for the unlock code, exactly? I'm skeptical about most places. Thanks!
PaullikesWINMO said:
Yes... it could be Rogers has some kind of other lock on it ? When WiFi is tunred on I can surf no issue. I went to the Market Place and the Network Setup App is not there. Could be Rogers has a profile setup on the phone and that cannot be changed?
I have a Lumia 710 as well and that is on Mobilicity with no issue other than standard unlock. I think the bands are right on the box (I took a pic and posted) but seems there is some other kind of lock.
PS: the 900 is a completely sealed phone... cannot pull battery. Will try a factory reset though.
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According to Nokia, the Lumia 710 doesn't even HAVE the 1700MHz frequency. So how does it work exactly?
Update: Ok, so the US page has WCDMA Band IV which is 1700 for the Lumia 710. The Lumia 900 has LTE Band 4 which is 1700. Does Wind/Mobilicity support LTE?
MrGreencastle said:
Where did you pay for the unlock code, exactly? I'm skeptical about most places. Thanks!
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I bought it here....
http://www.remotecellunlock.com
Have used them before as well and they were quick.
JMackey said:
According to Nokia, the Lumia 710 doesn't even HAVE the 1700MHz frequency. So how does it work exactly?
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This is why the old saying... read the label... set a better table ! lol....
this might help.....
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php
I've been using the Nokia Lumia 710 from Rogers for well over a month now on Mobilicity. Was hoping the Lumia 900 would work is same fashion. I'm close but I think Rogers has got it locked down more than standard lock.
okay.. here is the picture again of the label that is on the box for the Rogers Nokia Lumia 900. It clearly reads:
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100
https://negrielectronics.com/nokia-lumia-900-rogers-unlocked-black.html?utm_source=Master+Retail&utm_campaign=336584ca72-RTL_4-27_2012&utm_medium=email#.T5qwIcXko-Z
Already a thread about the 900 working on mobile. Plus that isn't newly released. Its just a Rogers version with a carrier unlock code
I think the question is, if/how well it will work on Tmobile.
harolds said:
I think the question is, if/how well it will work on Tmobile.
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Just spoke to the manager over at Negri, he says that the phone will not work on Tmobile's 3g/HSPA+ Network
EDIT: He changed his mind and said that it could and will let me try it on TMO. If it doesn't work he said I could send it back
Apply all updates first without inserting any sim card. Then once the phone has all updates try your TMO sim. It likely will not work. I tried many times to get a Rogers Nokia Lumia 900 to work with Mobilicity and it was futile. That was before the updates came out. I sold the phone well before that so don't have anything to test with.
Mobilicity works on same AWS 1700/2100 frequency that TMO has so I'm going to say it will not work. But hey.. no harm in giving it another go. Let us know how it works out. Make sure you can get your money back !
Yeah try it with the updates. The update is supposed to fix connectivity issues. I'm curious to know. I would have purchased one already to try on Tmobile but I can't until June when I'm back in the states.
It is to my understanding that unless Tmo changed in your are how it handles 3g and 4g you will be stuck with Edge. Tmo traditionally used UMTS 1700/2100. Tmo had announced that they where going to use 1900 for hspa+ (4G). If they did then you will be able to use Lumia with 4g and edge. Thats what I understand at least.
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It is to my understanding that unless Tmo changed in your are how it handles 3g and 4g you will be stuck with Edge. Tmo traditionally used UMTS 1700/2100. Tmo had announced that they where going to use 1900 for hspa+ (4G). If they did then you will be able to use Lumia with 4g and edge. Thats what I understand at least.
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According to the Rogers 900 box, it has 1700/2100 HSPA/WCDMA band on the phone plus the Rogers version is a HSPA 42 device (ATT's is only HSPA21). I will give it a try and see what happens. I have screen shots of the online chat I had that said I could get all my money refunded if it didn't work on T-mobile. I won't get it until the end of the week
If it does have hspa 1700/2100 it should work yes. But why would they sell another device? Wouldn't it be cheaper to take the one they are already selling and unlock it and sell it as is? Regardless no specs on it.
Have you received the phone yet? any news?
Sorry, I have been swamped with final exams this week. I didn't receive the phone. Actually before it got shipped, the guys over at Negri tested the phone out with a Tmobile sim card and they only got edge speeds out of it. I told them to send it to me anyways. I figure worst case senario I can still sell this thing on Ebay (unlocked ones go for around $700-750) or let my girl friend use it (she's been dying to get out of her iPhone)
I've had my Roger's 900 for a week now unlocked and can only get Edge data speeds on Tmobile. I spoke to Roger's and Tmobile and they don't understand why. I think I'm going to sell on Ebay and wait for the Tmobile 900. I've confirmed that they are training employees on the 900 so it should be soon.
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I've had my Roger's 900 for a week now unlocked and can only get Edge data speeds on Tmobile. I spoke to Roger's and Tmobile and they don't understand why. I think I'm going to sell on Ebay and wait for the Tmobile 900. I've confirmed that they are training employees on the 900 so it should be soon.
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Because Tmo uses 1700/2100 and most unlocked phones do not run on that freq. Memory serves me right Rogers runs same freq as A&T so it won't be able to gt 3g, Maybe hsdpa+ IF Tmo is broadcasting it on 1900 but I doubt that.
Because it's LTE 1700/2100 not AWS 1700/2100. I wrote ths message back about a month ago. Check the Rogers Nokia Lumia 900 on Mobilicity posts.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1594870
*bump* feedmylittletroll Soo have you received yours yet?
I did hit the search button with no definitive answers.
Does the Lumia 900, bought from a Rogers reseller, then unlocked, then used with a Fido Micro-Sim (already working in a Lumia 800) will have Tethering active (or or can be activated) without additional fees (other than paying for a real data plan, which I already have) ?
Fido does not have any LTE activated, am I right? Don't really care, just to clarify.
Can the Rogers-specific apps be uninstalled?
Is the Nokia Network Setup app available and installable (was installable before on my 800, but now says unavailable for my device in the marketplace, but still works on the phone)?
Phone will have Rogers logo on startup and Rogers colors (Red) instead of the Nokia blue? And since there's no generic Rom's (yet), it is not possible (yet) for North America to unbrand it?
On the same subject, would it be possible to flash the rom with a generic one from the RM-823 list, without 'deactivating' the North American bands (and not 'activating' the european bands)?
Are there manual Cab updates for the 900? I have unbranded phones since 2004 and don't want to be dependent on the original carrier for those important updates that may not be considered important for Rogers.
A few questions, but I don't want to buy a $525+ tax device that will not be as likable as my factory unlocked/unbranded Lumia 800.
patrick_dube said:
I did hit the search button with no definitive answers.
Does the Lumia 900, bought from a Rogers reseller, then unlocked, then used with a Fido Micro-Sim (already working in a Lumia 800) will have Tethering active (or or can be activated) without additional fees (other than paying for a real data plan, which I already have) ?
Fido does not have any LTE activated, am I right? Don't really care, just to clarify.
Can the Rogers-specific apps be uninstalled?
Is the Nokia Network Setup app available and installable (was installable before on my 800, but now says unavailable for my device in the marketplace, but still works on the phone)?
Phone will have Rogers logo on startup and Rogers colors (Red) instead of the Nokia blue? And since there's no generic Rom's (yet), it is not possible (yet) for North America to unbrand it?
On the same subject, would it be possible to flash the rom with a generic one from the RM-823 list, without 'deactivating' the North American bands (and not 'activating' the european bands)?
Are there manual Cab updates for the 900? I have unbranded phones since 2004 and don't want to be dependent on the original carrier for those important updates that may not be considered important for Rogers.
A few questions, but I don't want to buy a $525+ tax device that will not be as likable as my factory unlocked/unbranded Lumia 800.
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Not sure I can answer everything but Fido does not have LTE. In fact I don't even think they have 4G. I'm not sure if tethering works or not. Yes the Rogers apps can be removed easily. Yes Rogers logo will be on bootup. Not sure if you can flash unbranded rom yet since we've seen no luck with AT&T model either. Nokia apps will be available for it as per whatever is in the Nokia section of the Marketplace. No their arent any cab updates. There was the last update which was available for all phones to force the missing keyboard update and could be installed by cab files but that's all I've seen since.
Some of my questions were answered in my research.
Thethering is a gray zone. No definitive answers.
Fido = 4G max. No LTE (yet). It may be announced as a back to school promotion a Fido rep told me. But would require a new SIM card which support LTE?
Uninstall Rogers crap = yes.
Nokia Network Setup app, still not available (as per Marketplace) on my 800, which seems to a North-American 'problem' (there's a topic on Nokia suppot on this). This needs to be confirmed or infirmed by someone who can install or update with a North-American Sim.
Branding may be removable if flashed with a generic rom from Europe, if the radio part is not affected by a flash (as with the 800).
Cabs have been seen, so manual updates = yes.
My experiences on Fido with Lumia 900
Hi,
I would love to hear other peoples experiences with the Lumia on Fido. I am going to mention mine below and would love to hear if any others have experienced the same.
First I would like to say I really enjoy the Lumia 900 although I do have some qwirks that I will mention.
As mentioned previously you can remove the Rogers apps since they don't work. The rogers branding does show up on start up which doesn't bother me that much.
What does bother me is that the phone seems to be slower loading data then Samsung Focus I previously used when on the cellular data. When on Wifi the phone is blazing fast.
I did reset the phone with the Fido sim in it as I initially didn't have it in on setup but it still seems slow when browsing in the browser or even in the market places.
On that note my experience is that this phone switches bands quite frequently in places none of my phones have ever done so. For example the Lumia in Toronto near the airport will drop to Edge and I don't remember ever seeing my focus drop to edge near the airport. The lumia in fact will drop to G here in Nova Scotia where I am temporarily working where I never had an issue on my Focus.
This can cause using the data functions on the phone to be frustrating at times. I would love to hear if anyone else has experienced this.
Thank you and please feel free to ask specific questions about using with Fido.
Thank you.
Hey guys! I brought my international GT-N7105 Note II LTE model from Asia and bought that unlimited cheap 30 dollar plan. I checked the towers and my area does have those refarmed 1900MHz towers from their twitter. Anyhow, first i just thought it was my house and I have drove from pasadena-los angeles - Irvine - Orange County and have yet to see ANY 3G/H/H+ signals! Always stuck on the E (2G). First I thought it was the SIM problem so I put that SIM to an iPHONE4 and guess what?! There is the T-Mobile 3G right on that upper left hand corner and speeds are decent. Anywhere from 1.5mbps-6mbps. I'm sure it can go higher but looking at that dinky screen is already enough for my eyes! Is there some specific settings I should be doing? Somehow it's NOT locking to the 3G towers from my N7105. I am planning to get Straight Talk's 45 dollar deal at Walmart and choose the ATT since it's got better coverage from what I hear. Thanks for the help in advance and Happy Holidays everybody!!!
I don't think the 7105 has 1900 band, I have 7100 and I get 3G coverage.
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I don't think the 7105 has 1900 band, I have 7100 and I get 3G coverage.
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Thanks for the reply but according to this: http://www.smartone.com/jsp/phone/english/detail_v12.jsp?id=2553
It should have 1900MHz just like the N7100 except there's LTE which won't work. There's absolutely no excuse for it NOT to have 3G! This stinks and is frustrating!
I see that it has 1900 band but under GSM, when looking at 3G bands it has HSDPA 850 / 900 / 2100 - N7105 vs N7100 having HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Dont know if it makes any difference but thats why I steered away from the LTE version.
Try this go into service mode: *#197328640# Debug screen Phone Control Network Control & Band Selection. Check if you can enable or see if you have the 1900 band under WCDMA. Might have to go under Combi Bands and select the desired bands.
Just flowing up if it worked out for u or not?
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda app-developers app
Bumping this since the op didn't respond. I am having the same trouble and I attempted the fix you provided and found that my N7105 lacks the "combi bands"
I mistakenly purchased this phone for pre-paid here in America (should have gotten the n7100) and it seems that Straight Talk doesn't have AT&T cards anymore and I'm stuck on T-Mobile's EDGE service
I have the verizon model and use it with tmobile
So the last two weeks have been the most frustratying and nerve racking weeks ever as I have tried to get tmobile service to work well with the verizon model i have. And although I am definately still irritated, i have to say that I do get 3G and HSDPA on mine, just not anywhere near my house. This has driven me crazy and until today I assumed it was my phone and the lack of certain bands howev er after purchasing a Tmobile 4G hotspot and activating it on a new 300mb plan just to see how well it works, I have found that it was never my phone that sucked at my hopuse, its Tmobiles service that sucks!. BUT... to get the best consistant coverage with the Tmobile sim in my Verizon model I did have to experiment with the APNs quite a bit, and I also upgraded the modem to the newest one released . For anyone tryinbg to do thius with the verizon model, make sure your APN for T-Mobile US or T-Mobile Data (I personally have started using it as T-Mobile Data) has "None" typed in for the username and for APN if your using LTE device type in "fast.tmobile.com" instead of the epc.tmobile...... or whatever it is. Does anyone know if flashing a modem or radio or even just the rom from the tmobile section would help at all? Or would it just **** up the phone..
Despite not getting 3g (since I lack the appropriate physical antenna apparently) I get way better cover with T-Mobile (through Straight Talk) I have to say compared to Verizon. Maybe my Note 2 is much better than my old Thunderbolt or maybe T-Mobile is just a bit better. Nevertheless every building at my university is made of reinforced concrete so you'd be hard pressed to get any reception in the classrooms. I find in places I had no service I have service, and places I had some service I have great service now.
Back on topic though:
I can get the 1900mhz through GSM but that isn't the same and my phone lacks whatever that Combi Bands thing is. So I don't know if it is a lost cause or not. I just figured I'd bring this back up since the OP never responded and I am in the same boat as they are (were?). Maybe a solution can be found or just "it ain't gonna work."
Just following up I have returned my N7105 in favor of a N7100 and get great H+ and 3G through T-Mobile/Straight Talk.
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Bumping this since the op didn't respond. I am having the same trouble and I attempted the fix you provided and found that my N7105 lacks the "combi bands"
I mistakenly purchased this phone for pre-paid here in America (should have gotten the n7100) and it seems that Straight Talk doesn't have AT&T cards anymore and I'm stuck on T-Mobile's EDGE service
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Fwiw, net10 is basically the same as straight talk. When you buy the $15 simcard pack from bestbuy for net10, it comes with 3 different sim cards in it. One of them is a micro sim that fits in the note2 and runs on at&t's network.
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Fwiw, net10 is basically the same as straight talk. When you buy the $15 simcard pack from bestbuy for net10, it comes with 3 different sim cards in it. One of them is a micro sim that fits in the note2 and runs on at&t's network.
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What max speed will be get in using Net10 on ATT sim? anyone checked?
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What max speed will be get in using Net10 on ATT sim? anyone checked?
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i got 7mbps on net10 with n7105.
hi brothers i have SG note2 GT-I7105T LTE and it work only on 2G Band when i switch to 3G(WCDMA) mode or LTE it show "Emergency Call" but when switch to 2G(GSM) it work fine so what can i do ? and please developers explain me this problem and how to solve i try Z3X Box but it not support this variant
please help me and thanx in advance
Hi all,
While back in the USA, I was lucky enough to get a new Nexus 7 (2103) 32GB LTE model which shipped with a T-Mobile micro SIM card good for prepaid data access plans. However, I live in the Netherlands and when I tried to use my Nexus with a micro SIM from my provider Vodafone, it was not able to properly list the mobile network operators.
I opened a technical support incident with Google Play services who lead me through several diagnostic steps which included verifying that the tablet is not SIM or carrier locked, it properly recognizes the available networks with other carriers SIM cards (worked with T-Mobile USA, Telecom DE, MTN NG, Rogers CA) it also can list the mobile networks with no SIM in the device. But when a Vodafone SIM is added, it simply doesn't recognize any network operators. It's not a matter of APN settings, as we have verified these are correct, but the problem occurs at a very early level in preventing the mobile networks from being listed.
I believe this to be somehow related to the SIM card/middleware used to communicate with the SIM to the hardware. I see this behavior with the LTE Factory Image JLS36C as well as the Cyanogen Mod 10.2 unofficial deb builds.
Are there any other LTE users that are having a similar problem? Without mobile network access, my LTE model is effectively a WiFi only model and I'd really like to get this fixed.
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While back in the USA, I was lucky enough to get a new Nexus 7 (2103) 32GB LTE model which shipped with a T-Mobile micro SIM card good for prepaid data access plans. However, I live in the Netherlands and when I tried to use my Nexus with a micro SIM from my provider Vodafone, it was not able to properly list the mobile network operators.
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As has been posted quite a few times already, the US and Europe use different channels for LTE. So a US N7 will not work with all European providers and vice versa. Most probably Vodafone uses one of the LTE channels not supported on the US N7. So you have two choices:
1. Find a different provider that uses the channels supported by the US N7.
2. Replace your current US N7 with an European N7 model.
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As has been posted quite a few times already, the US and Europe use different channels for LTE. So a US N7 will not work with all European providers and vice versa. Most probably Vodafone uses one of the LTE channels not supported on the US N7. So you have two choices:
1. Find a different provider that uses the channels supported by the US N7.
2. Replace your current US N7 with an European N7 model.
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While the US and Europe do have some variance in LTE bands - we confirmed that the bands used by Vodafone NL are as listed below:
Nexus 7 (2013) Tech Specs (LTE)
Network
North America and Japan:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/2100/AWS (1700/2100) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 700/850/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHZ (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/13/17)
Rest of World:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/2100/AWS (1700/2100) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 800/850/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 MHz (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/20)
Wireless
Dual-band Wi-Fi (2.4G/5G) 802.11 a/b/g/n
We confirmed that Vodafone NL use 4G data enabled in a combination of the 800MHz and 1800MHz bands which are listed as supported.
The fact that my N7 can connect to other mobile networks in Europe with other carrier SIM cards also disproves the need to get a "European" model to connect to a network. There clearly is a problem with the Vodafone SIM and the NA Nexus, but simply blaming it on the channel or bands is not correct. Addittionally, even if the LTE connection is not possible 3G connection via HSPA+ or 2G GSM connection should be possible. The same Vodafone SIM worked with my N7 2013 3G model, which was also from NA, so it is clearly not an issue with the bands & channels.
Have you tried manually changing your prefered network type in testing menu *#*#4636#*#*
Since there is no dialler on N7 deb, I use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.freespirit.hms&hl=en
From tablet info submenu, u can also use settings button (3 dots) to manually select radio band
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Since there is no dialler on N7 deb, I use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.freespirit.hms&hl=en
From tablet info submenu, u can also use settings button (3 dots) to manually select radio band
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Thanks for the tips regarding the Hidden Menus application. I've installed it and set the GSM/UMTS band to EURO Band (GSM-900/DCS-1800/WCDMA-IMT-2000) but still not had any luck detecting mobile networks with the Vodafone SIM inserted. After removing the SIM and restarting, performing the same operation to search for available networks shows the four network operators in this region. I'm currently in Germany and in this area it shows
E-Plus
o2- de
Telekom.de
Vodafone.de
If I replace the Vodafone NL sim and try the same operation again, Settings | Mobile Networks | Network Operators - it searches for only a second or two (compared to the 15 or so it takes with no SIM installed) then does not show any networks.
All signs point to the issue being with the SIM chip OS or incompatability of the SIM chip profiles with the Nexus 7 (2013) LTE model. I didn't have any issues with this and my Nexus 7 (2012) 3G version.
In another strange hardware related issue, I have noticed that the Nexus 7 (2013) uses a different NFC stack and does not recognize all of the NFC tags that the 2012 model recognizes. A co-worker with the 2013 Wifi only version ordered some NFC tiles but they don't work with either his or my 2013 model, but work with the 2012 model. Very curious if this is somehow related to the issue that I see with the SIM card problem I am having.
Any other ideas?
Did you find a solution?
buckofive said:
Thanks for the tips regarding the Hidden Menus application. I've installed it and set the GSM/UMTS band to EURO Band (GSM-900/DCS-1800/WCDMA-IMT-2000) but still not had any luck detecting mobile networks with the Vodafone SIM inserted. After removing the SIM and restarting, performing the same operation to search for available networks shows the four network operators in this region. I'm currently in Germany and in this area it shows
E-Plus
o2- de
Telekom.de
Vodafone.de
If I replace the Vodafone NL sim and try the same operation again, Settings | Mobile Networks | Network Operators - it searches for only a second or two (compared to the 15 or so it takes with no SIM installed) then does not show any networks.
All signs point to the issue being with the SIM chip OS or incompatability of the SIM chip profiles with the Nexus 7 (2013) LTE model. I didn't have any issues with this and my Nexus 7 (2012) 3G version.
In another strange hardware related issue, I have noticed that the Nexus 7 (2013) uses a different NFC stack and does not recognize all of the NFC tags that the 2012 model recognizes. A co-worker with the 2013 Wifi only version ordered some NFC tiles but they don't work with either his or my 2013 model, but work with the 2012 model. Very curious if this is somehow related to the issue that I see with the SIM card problem I am having.
Any other ideas?
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Hello All,
Apologies for the opportunistic first post but I only "discovered" this forum today.
I am facing the same issue as buckofive and was wondering whether anyone has ever found a solution?
Thank you.
ricmartins said:
Hello All,
Apologies for the opportunistic first post but I only "discovered" this forum today.
I am facing the same issue as buckofive and was wondering whether anyone has ever found a solution?
Thank you.
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Unfortunately, I have not been successful in getting this resolved. I've visited Vodafone several times, but none of their in store personnel have been able to give me any other answer than "it doesn't work" and we also see this with North American Nexus 5 handsets. I've done some addditional testing with other MNO SIM cards with American, Dutch, and German T-mobile SIMs and they work flawlessly and with 4G LTE speed, so it isn't a question of network or band.
The issue is definitely related to the SIM card OS and version. However, Vodafone have been unable to tell me what the SIM vendor is and what the chip operating system is.
Vodafone promised a solution
I have AGAIN asked Vodafone for help and they promised me a solution. I have my doubts ad will post an update next week once i hear back from them.
buckofive said:
Unfortunately, I have not been successful in getting this resolved. I've visited Vodafone several times, but none of their in store personnel have been able to give me any other answer than "it doesn't work" and we also see this with North American Nexus 5 handsets. I've done some addditional testing with other MNO SIM cards with American, Dutch, and German T-mobile SIMs and they work flawlessly and with 4G LTE speed, so it isn't a question of network or band.
The issue is definitely related to the SIM card OS and version. However, Vodafone have been unable to tell me what the SIM vendor is and what the chip operating system is.
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ricmartins said:
I have AGAIN asked Vodafone for help and they promised me a solution. I have my doubts ad will post an update next week once i hear back from them.
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Did you hear anything back from Vodafone? They have simply told me they don't support the device and explain that it is due to a North American device, which is simply not true. I've tested with T-Mobile data card from The Netherlands and also from Telekom in Germany and the Nexus 7 2013 gets 40+ Mbps download speeds on those networks. So the issue is clearly related to the Vodafone SIM cards, but no one has been able to give me any insight as to what card OS they are using, so it is very hard to troublehsoot the problem any further.
Two big thumbs down for Vodafone service & support!
Any news on this problem yet? I have exactly the same problem, I can use a KPN sim but my Vodafone sim simply won't work in my US Nexus 7. This sucks, I upgraded to a multisim Red Super subscription to be able to use my new tablet anywhere without having to tether.
I made sure to check which bands the US Nexus supports and figured in a worst case scenario I would simply use 3G instead of 4G. But it won't connect to 3G either
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Any news on this problem yet? I have exactly the same problem, I can use a KPN sim but my Vodafone sim simply won't work in my US Nexus 7. This sucks, I upgraded to a multisim Red Super subscription to be able to use my new tablet anywhere without having to tether.
I made sure to check which bands the US Nexus supports and figured in a worst case scenario I would simply use 3G instead of 4G. But it won't connect to 3G either
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I have the issue as well. openend a ticket with Vodafone and directed them to this thread. unfortunately they were thus far also not able to solve it yet. hopefully something will happen, as otherwise I will need to drop Vodafone....
I also tested it with a KPN sim which worked perfectly. two Vodafone sims and a duo sim all had the same issue. Real strange thing is that with the KPN sim I was able to see the Vodafone network. But on the Vodafone sim I wasn't able to see any network. They assured my it was not a 4G only sim card, thus it was also strange the nexus did not pick a 2G or 3G network. In the settings though I could not change the 4G perferred setting to either 2G or 3G. it immediately reverted back to the 4G setting....
All in all, no realy help yet, only confirmation of what is being seen above.
pwvandeursen said:
I have the issue as well. openend a ticket with Vodafone and directed them to this thread. unfortunately they were thus far also not able to solve it yet. hopefully something will happen, as otherwise I will need to drop Vodafone....
I also tested it with a KPN sim which worked perfectly. two Vodafone sims and a duo sim all had the same issue. Real strange thing is that with the KPN sim I was able to see the Vodafone network. But on the Vodafone sim I wasn't able to see any network. They assured my it was not a 4G only sim card, thus it was also strange the nexus did not pick a 2G or 3G network. In the settings though I could not change the 4G perferred setting to either 2G or 3G. it immediately reverted back to the 4G setting....
All in all, no realy help yet, only confirmation of what is being seen above.
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting on the response from Vodafone. I've had a ticket open for months with them, and it supposedly has been escalated. I've inquired in person with the so called "specialists" and they simply say it doesn't work with their SIMs. Yet nobody can tell me anything about the SIM, like manufacturer card OS, etc. It is really frustrating to hear this as I work with smart card and SIM middleware developers and if we had a bit to work with we might be able to fix the problem on our own.
I was at the end of my rope and extreme frustrated with them and wanted to cancel my contract, but they said that despite me paying for months of service that I haven't been able to use, that I would have to pay the remaining duration of my contract before I could switch to T-Mobile, which I think is total crap.
dual sim same problem with vodafone NL
I have the same issue. I use a dual sim from Vodafone in my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7. The Nexus 5 does not show these problems, but the 7 does. When I buy prepay mobile data abroad (Europe, Asia, US, Australia), the Nexus 7 2013 C works great with e.g. Orange, t-Mobile, Vodafone etc. But as my cellular subscription is a corporate one, at home I have to stick to wifi, for almost 2 years now! (I bought the 7 in Australia about 2 years ago). And yes exchanging sims between the devices does not make a difference. The combination vodafone NL sim + nexus 7 does not provide mobile data.