Many people using Android handset confused about making decision on which rom they will be using for daily activities...
Gio, as middle devices, has gotten upgrade from Froyo to Gingerbread, and the ported developed ICS rom still seems pretty difficult to be used for daily activity coz the problems of camera, video acceleration, and else...
But overall, even the ICS has excellent performance, still cannot wait for the more excellent release! (major dev: Macław #Work Hard!)
Let's share all things to make the handset stable and smooth for daily use!
SO LET'S NOW SETTLE THIS PROBLEM BY SOLVING TOGETHER
WHAT'S WORTH TO BE DISCUSSED, LET'S DISCUSS IT HERE
Which rom are u using?
How's the battery performance?
is it stable and smooth for daily use?
Please share, from inexperienced to experienced, tips and tricks or something related to the rom that stable and smooth, or ways to make it stable and smooth!
DXKT8 STOCK ROM *FAST LINK*
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have u guys tested the newest version of stock like dxkt8?
it has the galaxy note lockscreen i heard
if you wanna try, this is the link for the dxkt8, not having problem, just have to increase the performance by custom rom and maybe a boost memory by a2sd darktremor. . . (hehe. . . a bit advertising?)
Download Link (dxkt8): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1582563
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Which from are u using?
Stock 2.3.6 open germany
How's the battery performance?
Normal, bit better due to tweaking
is it stable and smooth for daily use?
Yes. Stock =stability, at the cost of performance so I use tweaks to get them both
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voetbalremco said:
Which from are u using?
Stock 2.3.6 open germany
How's the battery performance?
Normal, bit better due to tweaking
is it stable and smooth for daily use?
Yes. Stock =stability, at the cost of performance so I use tweaks to get them both
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U use the stock?
but under your post it said u use cyan9 bta5
I'm still using it now...
soon wanna change
but isn't it the stock that included in custom rom.. like particle?
Adrenaline ROM is pretty stable!!
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Adrenaline ROM is pretty stable!!
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i'm also using adrenaline right now...
but confused about whether it support the ext4 or not...
my partition is ext 4 and it's not detected in recov... :confused
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i'm also using adrenaline right now...
but confused about whether it support the ext4 or not...
my partition is ext 4 and it's not detected in recov... :confused
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all internal partitions are ext4, so it does support ext4
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all internal partitions are ext4, so it does support ext4
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yeah youre signature is Cm9 and u said your using Stock Rom why is that?
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yeah youre signature is Cm9 and u said your using Stock Rom why is that?
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cuz I dont change my signature every day, but do change between roms, but mostly use cm9
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CM9 has been very smooth for me. I use it daily. But I'm starting to experience random freezes in beta 8. Thinking about switching back to beta 7
Adrenaline rom is great in every aspect.
Using Gingerbread 2.3.6. Smooth, fast and battery performance is good. 2days using it's basis phone features and a lil bit of angry birds>
Stock with custom kernel. There's nothing better yet.
ICS when its ready
Cm9 bèta 8
Bèta 9 when it is out
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stock 2.3.6 with CF-Root .
jaapteeuw12 said:
Cm9 bèta 8
Bèta 9 when it is out
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Beta 8 isn't particularly stable for me. Even though it is very smooth, it has random crashes and freezes for me along with many other bugs.
Adrenaline ROM 2nd Edition
it's pretty stable and the best part is if you manage to configure it well you can make it really smooth and with battery lasting for 1 day and half...
you can say its too low but considering to the use i give to it is awesome
i tried almost all the roms, kernels, and configs for Gio but seems i've finaly managed one that fits my style, lots of battery without any lag at all
If you interested in more details say something )
You can finde more details in general... opened a thread with full details
Im using Cyanogenmod 7.2 lastes build from.phiez,
Very stable and smooth
Using Go launcher ex, and a partition of 1 gb
Lcd density changed to 120 (Ldpi)
And using Ram manager pro for playing hard games like temple.run
The battery mm at least 2 days on basic functions and 1 1/3 of day on wifi/play hard
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Im using Cyanogenmod 7.2 lastes build from.phiez,
Very stable and smooth
Using Go launcher ex, and a partition of 1 gb
Lcd density changed to 120 (Ldpi)
And using Ram manager pro for playing hard games like temple.run
The battery mm at least 2 days on basic functions and 1 1/3 of day on wifi/play hard
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I'm not a hard player but i think i use my phone a lot... take a look at the post i refer a give it a try... then say something dont had any problems with any game yet either and the average of battery waste remains the same the same
Ram manager pro maybe is something that worths to try thx for the info
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I'm not a hard player but i think i use my phone a lot... take a look at the post i refer a give it a try... then say something dont had any problems with any game yet either and the average of battery waste remains the same the same
Ram manager pro maybe is something that worths to try thx for the info
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Jaja np,
Im.gonna try the Adrenaline rom ....amm a little question, has themechosser like cm? Cause i use it a lot xD
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hi devs,
i found this article on how to port miui....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153233
is this possible for our phones?
or even cm?
mangarap ka mangarap ka..
we still need to make or wait or our custom kernel dude.
static28 said:
mangarap ka mangarap ka..
we still need to make or wait or our custom kernel dude.
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uu nga e..hehehe
sad to say no devs except for terma was able to create a custom kernel,,,atleast...
well there might be others...but then again i havent found a good everyday performance rom...
oc,underclocked,governors,sio....
hays...
even cm..not yet here...
Hybrid is stable. No a2sd support = stable ROM
You can try Link2sd because a2sd consumes more battery juice.
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Well these will be possible only when we get custom kernel
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larger Asouccu
Just wait, and keep waiting
Further discussions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1528427
Is it better to play games with GB roms, or ICS roms? If possible, state the rom
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IMO if u like GB then use the baseband ver. XXLM8 its smooth but if you like ICS then use CM9 by arco..
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Personally, i tried CM9 and GB and there is really a huge difference in gaming... CM9 is really not that excellent in terms of gaming, but how is the BETA version?
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Personally, i tried CM9 and GB and there is really a huge difference in gaming... CM9 is really not that excellent in terms of gaming, but how is the BETA version?
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I think the most stable rom for gaming is still the gb because ics for our device is just released and still take time for other games to adapt to our ics based.
Sorry if i'm wrong just saying my opinion
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Personally, i tried CM9 and GB and there is really a huge difference in gaming... CM9 is really not that excellent in terms of gaming, but how is the BETA version?
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I'm not a pro gamer, but imho CM9 works much better with games than stock GB ROM (less lag, more fluid gaming experience).
[.::MDT::.] said:
I'm not a pro gamer, but imho CM9 works much better with games than stock GB ROM (less lag, more fluid gaming experience).
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Of course... Like you have said STOCK GB rom. No one really use stock rom to play games
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Of course... Like you have said STOCK GB rom. No one really use stock rom to play games
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Lol, that's probably a good point!
Hello all, I have a Wildfire S and I want to unlock and install a custom ROM. I want to try a CM ROM.
Which is the best for a daily use?
Thanks and best regards.
Hi jlazkano
I'm pretty new to this rooting/custom rom party but i loaded Cyanogenmod 9 onto my HTC Wildfire s and althought this biuld is technically still in alpha i think, its stable and its my daily rom. Had no problems with it, very pleased.
androidadvices . com have a really good tutorial on how to get it onto the device.
Hello,
I've tried both CM9 and CM10 and I think CM10 is better. First it is nearly stable. Second it is twice faster than CM9 (even more, but I don't know if the word thrice exists in English ). And third... it 4.1 Jelly Bean ! With Google Now, the amazing notification bar, and... the little 4.1.2 in the "About phone" section
Good unlocking and enjoy !
jlazkano said:
Hello all, I have a Wildfire S and I want to unlock and install a custom ROM. I want to try a CM ROM.
Which is the best for a daily use?
Thanks and best regards.
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Hi,
Have just installed CM10 as someone commented earlier, it is still Alpha but it is very smooth and quick and if you use apps2sd you have a lot of free space to try and fill with apps
Thanks both!
Could you put the links to the ROM and Google Apps?
Thanks and best regards.
jlazkano said:
Thanks both!
Could you put the links to the ROM and Google Apps?
Thanks and best regards.
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Here is cm10 : link .
Here are the modded gapps to fit in the small /system partition of our device : link .
Here is the Int2Ext+ script (works quite fine for me) : link .
If you have problems with gapps search the support thread (here for marvel).
Enjoy !
Following the advice on the page, i 'upgraded' from CM9 to CM10 and i must say, ealy days for me yet, but i reckon that CM10 is better then CM9. It just seems more stable and smooth and faster.
Cm9.1 alpha 9 is the best. Of all.
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kantry123 said:
Cm9.1 alpha 9 is the best. Of all.
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Cm10 is quicker, faster, smoother, more beautiful, has more functionalities, is based on a newer Android... What do you want ?
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Please give me link of stable cm9
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Please give me link of stable cm9
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Here you are : code.google.com/p/cm9-wildfire-s/ . But you could have found it by yourself... Second result in Google
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Hello.
If you want to try a sense3-Rom with 2.3.5., then try eqdkp 5.2.
It runs smoth with Antutu-score of 1950 and is stable.
Greetings
Markus
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TSC Yoda said:
Hello.
If you want to try a sense3-Rom with 2.3.5., then try eqdkp 5.2.
It runs smoth with Antutu-score of 1950 and is stable.
Greetings
Markus
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This ROM is really good but too much themed for me but if you like themed Sense 3.5...
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Go go go on CM10 ! So smooth, Sense sucks because there are always lags, here there aren't any !
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izi501 said:
Cm10 is quicker, faster, smoother, more beautiful, has more functionalities, is based on a newer Android... What do you want ?
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i don't think cm10 is stable enough...as there are much lags and quicker battery drain as compared to cm9.1 alpha9
kantry123 said:
i don't think cm10 is stable enough...as there are much lags and quicker battery drain as compared to cm9.1 alpha9
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Quicker battery drain, ok... if you don't use the better settings. But there are no lags
Custom ROM
kantry123 said:
i don't think cm10 is stable enough...as there are much lags and quicker battery drain as compared to cm9.1 alpha9
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I know this post is a bit old, but do you think that cm10 is stable now.
And could you give me an advice or link to a single thread that will help to install this new jelly bean on my HTC Wildfire S if possible, I've never done this kind of thing before.
Kind Regards:good:
There is my rom but it isn't a cm, it's an aokp
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It lags like hell if you install a lot of apps(which in this case would be 30+).
I switched to sense 3.5, and God, it's so much faster.
Nightshadow931 said:
It lags like hell if you install a lot of apps(which in this case would be 30+).
I switched to sense 3.5, and God, it's so much faster.
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Which ROM are you using ? I can say that CM10 ROMs have emerged as a beauty now
They are a lot faster and stable now. Well, of course you will have to use MIUI camera and stuff like that to make all the possibilities of the phone to work I mean, camera won't work like stock. There... I said it. Camera won't be good in any of the CM10/CM9 ROMs . But you will have an advantage like you can use the latest of Android. You can mod it anyway you want it to. And regarding the lag that you have mentioned, I guess that will happen when you use init.d scripts for INT2EXT and stuff like that.When the number of apps increases then depletes the internal storage making the phone slower.
Well, i still have to say that the GB ROMs are best for our phone. I mean , its flawless. Everything works , including camera. You can add flash support if you want to (You gotta be rooted to do these stuff). Battery is also good.
For those who are bored by the GB look and feel, CM ROMs are for you guys. I mean , if you don't use camera at all , then CM ROMs are prefect for you. Djolivier's marvelous ROM is a Good-To-Go ROM . It gives you a balanced battery + Performance. He has added the Aroma installer in it which makes you the one who customizes it as per your need.
And could you give me an advice or link to a single thread that will help to install this new jelly bean on my HTC Wildfire S if possible, I've never done this kind of thing before.
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JELLY FISH ROM BY NIK SALSA
MARVELOUS 10 BY DJOLIVIER
This one is a CM7 - CM7 DROID ACE BY DJOLIVIER . This is GingerBread with a lot of Tweaks. You may like it
Yeah, Do remember to go through the tutorials thoroughly before you attempt anything , and always have a back up of your stable ROM.
hello everyone
i have samsung galaxy w and i'm using stock rom on it
my device stuck all the time with no reason
i want to change the rom to something better i'm thinking of CM9 but i see that alot of things not working yet and all versions i could find are still in development
there for i think that CM7 is better
am i right? is CM better then CM9 for galaxy wonder?
to the final reason i post this thread is that i couldnt find CM7 for download
i would like for some help if its OK
thanks to all
ICS is stable right now. Try to use OneOfAKind. Trust me. It's very smooth.
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ICS is stable right now. Try to use OneOfAKind. Trust me. It's very smooth.
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which version should i use
and from where can i download it
is there a cm7 for galaxy w?
if you want a stable, smooth for gaming, and good battery life, use cm9.
if you want the latest with all new features, smooth as butter, but have some minor bugs, use cm10.1
Hello I'd like to know if exist any other official version before CM9 and where I can find it. Thanks!!
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No official CM exists for galaxy w. Not even CM7.... You can find all official CM info on their website.
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Oh OK and where can I find the 7 or 8 version? And they are released by Arco also? Like 9-10-10.1? I'm just looking for an earlier version of cyanogenmod that is completed. But I still don't like the last three versions.
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Oh OK and where can I find the 7 or 8 version? And they are released by Arco also? Like 9-10-10.1? I'm just looking for an earlier version of cyanogenmod that is completed. But I still don't like the last three versions.
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AFAIK there is no CM8... And for CM7, I don't believe ARCO ever built CM7 for galaxy w. There is a CM7 port in development section if I remember correctly. It is not from ARCO and it had some bugs....
May I ask why you don't like the last three versions. CM9 is pretty much bug free and quite stable. Even CM10 is pretty stable and currently using it. It is stable enough for me for daily use.
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Because they drain too much battery and after some period they start to give some problem. At the beginning they are awesome but after they're not pretty good. I always do pristine to make things go better, but I just want a stable rom that is only faster then the original one on my galaxy w. And the cm's rom are not satisfying me.
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WataruFujii said:
Because they drain too much battery and after some period they start to give some problem. At the beginning they are awesome but after they're not pretty good. I always do pristine to make things go better, but I just want a stable rom that is only faster then the original one on my galaxy w. And the cm's rom are not satisfying me.
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If you don't like sir arco's work, you can just use stock rom, which is samsung's work. Just don't put a bad comment, not stable enough or what so ever. I don't know why you still feel that cm9 also not stable enough. I think all the cm9, cm10 and cm10.1 are all very stable and very good for daily use. But if you don't satisfy enough, and i don't know what will make you satisfy, just make your own rom.
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geniusboy93 said:
If you don't like sir arco's work, you can just use stock rom, which is samsung's work. Just don't put a bad comment, not stable enough or what so ever. I don't know why you still feel that cm9 also not stable enough. I think all the cm9, cm10 and cm10.1 are all very stable and very good for daily use. But if you don't satisfy enough, and i don't know what will make you satisfy, just make your own rom.
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OK first of all cool down a little bit. Everybody has different needs and what maybe stable for you might not be stable for somebody else. For me I had reboot issues for a very long time with CM9 but so many did not. But with the latest releases, bugs that bothered me disappeared.
And don't blame people for searching alternatives to satisfy their needs. And not everybody has development skills to built roms.
Sometimes I don't get you people. CM is not a religion and arco is not a prophet. I don't get why you people are so serious.
I am grateful that ARCO developed CM for us and I can't thank him enough. But gee it is just a phone and a ROM.
My suggestion to you is to CHILL...
I don't think ARCO needs your protection and his work speaks for itself.
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OK first of all cool down a little bit. Everybody has different needs and what maybe stable for you might not be stable for somebody else. For me I had reboot issues for a very long time with CM9 but so many did not. But with the latest releases, bugs that bothered me disappeared.
And don't blame people for searching alternatives to satisfy their needs. And not everybody has development skills to built roms.
Sometimes I don't get you people. CM is not a religion and arco is not a prophet. I don't get why you people are so serious.
I am grateful that ARCO developed CM for us and I can't thank him enough. But gee it is just a phone and a ROM.
My suggestion to you is to CHILL...
I don't think ARCO needs your protection and his work speaks for itself.
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Okey, sorry about that. Not that arco is a prophet, not at all. But i don't get it why people can't be grateful for what they got. Sorry for burst out. I just a little mad at that time.
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No, Arco is no prophet, just human like you and me. There you are right. He is a very smart guy who deserves a lot of thanks for porting CM9 to this device.
You just must understand many people are really really very thankful to him and sometimes overstating by threating him like a god.
I for myself also do not understand why CM9 isn´t working stable for you. It´s a really stable rom. Way more stable than Samsungs stock ROMs. With these I had always random reboots. That´s not the case since using Arcos CM9. Maybe it´s some apps you are using or your SDCard causing this.
Ok, but to be honest regarding stability in the final release I can´t tell. I was using RC2 with it´s older kernel till now because of the battery drain. it was running absolutely stable for me without any issues plus it gave me a awesome battery life, so I compiled my own kernel where i reduced it further. So if you are not satisfied with the final, you can try RC2 or RC3 together with my kernel. It gives way better battery life than Samsungs stock ROM will ever offer you.
However I updated last night to the final release and the battery drain appears to be the same like using Arcos CM9 RC2 with its stock kernel. So if the results will satisfy me, I will stay with the final and build a new personal kernel for it.
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If you don't like sir arco's work, you can just use stock rom, which is samsung's work. Just don't put a bad comment, not stable enough or what so ever. I don't know why you still feel that cm9 also not stable enough. I think all the cm9, cm10 and cm10.1 are all very stable and very good for daily use. But if you don't satisfy enough, and i don't know what will make you satisfy, just make your own rom.
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I didn't say I don't like his work. I totally respect him and his work, cause his work is really awesome. But it still don't satisying my needs. I need only something faster then the stock rom and something that doesn't drain my battery out.
So if anyone could reccomend me somethin to use I would be very grateful. And BIG RESPECT for arco's work!
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I didn't say I don't like his work. I totally respect him and his work, cause his work is really awesome. But it still don't satisying my needs. I need only something faster then the stock rom and something that doesn't drain my battery out.
So if anyone could reccomend me somethin to use I would be very grateful. And BIG RESPECT for arco's work!
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Most of the latest ROMs are based on ARCO's CM versions and I believe they will perform on the same level. However some of them may have some extra customizations to improve battery and performance etc. You may want to check their threads and see their features. Also there are some custom ROMs based on stock Samsung Roms. (Gingerbread) Like FAW, rebel etc. They may have custom kernels to speed up the phone.
When was the last time you tried CM9? Because as @honeyx noted, the latest version does seem to have good battery performance and stability.
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Most of the latest ROMs are based on ARCO's CM versions and I believe they will perform on the same level. However some of them may have some extra customizations to improve battery and performance etc. You may want to check their threads and see their features. Also there are some custom ROMs based on stock Samsung Roms. (Gingerbread) Like FAW, rebel etc. They may have custom kernels to speed up the phone.
When was the last time you tried CM9? Because as @honeyx noted, the latest version does seem to have good battery performance and stability.
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Now I'm using the cm 9 rc 9. I didn't try the final release yet. Because I'm bored to pristine every time my phone. I will try it. But I don't mind if the rom's are based on CM. I just want any rom that is more fluid than the rom stock and that doesn't drain my battery. And which one would someone of you reccomend me. Anyway I will try the last version of CM9!
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WataruFujii said:
Now I'm using the cm 9 rc 9. I didn't try the final release yet. Because I'm bored to pristine every time my phone. I will try it. But I don't mind if the rom's are based on CM. I just want any rom that is more fluid than the rom stock and that doesn't drain my battery. And which one would someone of you reccomend me. Anyway I will try the last version of CM9!
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As I already told you, try the final and if that doesn´t satisfy you regarding battery life, try the older RC2 or RC3. If one of these gives you better results, you can also try my kernel for them.
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As I already told you, try the final and if that doesn´t satisfy you regarding battery life, try the older RC2 or RC3. If one of these gives you better results, you can also try my kernel for them.
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hey honeyx, will you develop a custom kernel for EOL version since it is equally good in terms of battery and stability?
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hey honeyx, will you develop a custom kernel for EOL version since it is equally good in terms of battery and stability?
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I think so, but I will focus on reducing the consumption further than adding a lot of governors. But this will require a lot of testing before launching it. Currently I´m testing the newer 3.0.81 kernel to which Arco updated his sources after launching the final release. This new kernel just has some changes in memory management like the latest kernel for CM10.1 where some people reported to get hangs. So I just added the lulzactive governor, incrased ram and reduced the voltages to first check it´s stability, but so far I didn´t get any hangs and freezes in games.
I´m really anal about stability and consumption and only will release a kernel that is working rock solid for me.