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Hi everyone/ developers/ users of xda developers and wfs owners. I'm quite new to xda developers ( as in ten minutes new) although I've been following things quite religious for a few months now.
SO, I was wondering whether anyone could tell me whether there are any roms with true hardware acceleration?
At the moment I have modpunks Ice cream sandwich/cm9 alpha 1 on my wildfire s (gsm) and I'm loving it alot, although I know he said he was releasing kernal 3.0 soon. Does kernal 3.0 have better hwa then? My second question is about forcing GPU rendering in applications ( on ICS ). I've searched and haven't been able to really find out much about it, by principal it should be good, especially since the adreno graphics drivers release for arm6, but I don't really know whether to use it or not.
I know this is a crapload of stuff to read but I'm really interest in custom roms and want to get involved, I appreciate any answers or discussion even
Android 4.1 Jelly Bean
Android 4.1 will get interactive notifications, overhauled search results, faster touch-screen response, and a tool to tell people information they may want to know about what's going on nearby and what they might need to know.
http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-4.1.html
http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
I like it. Nice adjusments. Better than other i..OS-es in my opinion. Looking forward for the port.
Deonix said:
I like it. Nice adjusments. Better than other i..OS-es in my opinion. Looking forward for the port.
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If we get one. Ics is enough of a pain in the backside to get working with the defy.
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jelly bean on defy?
There may be a future development of android jelly bean for defy ? Or he does not have enough hardware?
froyo was best for defy
GB was compatible
ICS not so compatible
JB don't know if any possibilities
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froyo was best for defy
GB was compatible
ICS not so compatible
JB don't know if any possibilities
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i think a bit different
FROYO was the worst for defy
GB was very good
ICS is definitely the best ( some exceptions though )
JB - maybe it would be even better
Shubhamqweasd said:
i think a bit different
FROYO was the worst for defy
GB was very good
ICS is definitely the best ( some exceptions though )
JB - maybe it would be even better
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I totally agree that Froyo was the worst, it's so slow and ugly :silly: Gingerbread was a huge improvement and Ice Cream Sandwich is an even bigger improvement, but at the moment not all the power of it can be harnessed by our DEFY, so I'd say that Gingerbread is the best. But Motorola is to blame for that, cause with those proper custom kernels, ICS would be flying So, if no way for custom kernels to run arises, I'm guessing that troubles with missing libraries will be even bigger with Jelly Bean, so we might just not even see a CM based on JB for DEFY
Found the Jellybean wallpapers and the new bootanimation over at Android authority!
>>>>>Android Jelly Bean Goodies<<<<<
Has anyone tried the new Jelly Bean VoiceSearch/GoogleQuickSearchBox on our ICS builds yet? I've been searching all over, no-one has yet to post it. You guys had any luck?
I've just tried Jelly Bean on Galaxy Nexus, it's way more faster than ICS because it has this Project Butter (newer hwa) which makes UI constant on 60FPS, so no more UI lags!
Jelly Bean is based on ICS so there won't be so much trouble about porting it because we already have ICS
I think the main question would be whether Project Butter will run with our Froyo/GB Kernel we have to stick with?!
This is one of Epsylon3's posts on Google+. He's just awesome!
Thats great !!
He can takes his time, we will apreciate it very much anyway.
defy developers are really making effort.
I didn't see that on any other device forums
The efforts have been fruitful since the long study made by our developers . They made it easy . since once you get to know how things work . and how the ideas are and what kernel functions and codes u shd be actually knowing . It becomes lots easy for implementation
The Best of The Best of the BEST Dev World
As said : Our defy Devs is the most talented and supportive in all thread with even an locked BL , Don,t know how to give them the deserved appreciation
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This is one of Epsylon3's posts on Google+. He's just awesome!
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Awesome..
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I want to know how ep3 it's going to manage the fact that chrome it's the default web explorer in jelly bean when it's not yet functional in ice cream sandwich...
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This is one of Epsylon3's posts on Google+. He's just awesome!
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it will awesome for all of us , if it happened some how , our developers are best of all others ,
we were just given eclair , we had froyo(modded roms) , GB roms ( best and great performance ) , and we had ICS all good , except some issues due to locked bootloaders, otherwise we at this time could had best ICS rom Available ....... developers are trying their best working day & night for us ,
I am sure that we all will have jelly bean ,( not fully functional though ), but our great developers will make it happen for us all .......
once this Bootloader thing gets solved some how , can't say how ,
we gonna have rocking roms with overall best performance than all the device present in this xda forum ...... and i can bet on this ......
atlast thanks to all the developers of DEFY & DEFY PLUS .......
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Hi all, I was wondering why all the kernels we use/flash to our Arc are still version 2.6.32, when other devices had already moved to newer kernels, like 3.0.15/3.0.31 for example, which many Samsung Galaxy phones use. Is it a drivers problem?
Thanks for your time.
This is the reason..
KalleD said:
Hi all devs,
I have seen quite a few comments regarding the kernel version in the ICS alpha release. The reason why we are keeping the 2.6.32-kernel is that we have prioritized time to market. It is rather quick to get a new kernel up and running, but it takes a lot of testing and validation to make it stable and run with the modem, get a good battery performance etc. Quite some effort has been put in to the Sony Ericsson 2.6.32 kernel, to make it as stable and reliable as possible for the 8255 platform, and we do not feel that the user benefit of a new kernel would justify a later release date.
/Karl-Johan “Kalle” Dahlström
Sony Ericsson Developer Program
http://www.sonyericsson.com/developer
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It very hard to right new drives its eazyer to mod 2.6.32 becouse Sony Ericsson has hack the #### out of most of the drivers and made a mess of them so people
DON'T MAKE IT BETTER THAN THERE NEWEST PHONES THAT THAY RELEASE
it will take time to do it takes a very good dev a eazy month for something good like 2.6.35 but it will come if the tree\source is good for the arc/s just keep you eyes open for someone bringing it ;-)
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Thanks for your answers, quite explanatory.
Hope some team will bring in the future Kernel 3.0.X to Arc though.
Hi,
I have a Xperia Play R800i currently on stock ROM/Kernel (Clockworkmod and root).
I am currently considering moving to custom Kernel and one ICS Rom, especially now that the touchpads are apparently fully functionnal.
However, I have some questions related to how I am used to use my phone.
I basically use my phone for three things :
1. standard phone functions (messages, receiving and calling...)
2. some internet search
3. gaming
Apart from that, I use a few apps like a calendar, some pdf reader, camera on the go and so on...
But I do not use to go for full multitasking.
So, first concern :
I understood so far that ICS roms were enabling greater multitasking but that game performance could be altered (broken games in ICS and Sony concern of the gaming performance leading to the official Sony ICS rom to be frozen).
Anyone has a clear answer on this ? Does ICS Rom give a boost to gaming ?
Now, second concern :
Regarding the custom Kernel, I read various things going from the "Hey, that's the greatest thing on earth!" to the "What a battery drainer!".
I also read some complaints on the fact that even if the cpu can be properly overclocked, the gpu overclocking is extremely limited at the moment.
Therefore, is it useful to overclock ?
Does it give such a boost in overall performance and in gaming performance ?
I can fully understand that emulation is certainly boosted up by overclocking but can we really feel the difference on gpu intensive games like Dead Trigger for example ? As the gpu is not overclocked, is there any benefit on such games ?
I am pretty sure some of these questions are already answered some way or the other in this forum but it seems I was not able to find any specific thread on the subject.
Hopefully, some of you will have clear answers for me.
Thanks a lot in advance, guys,
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Hi,
I have a Xperia Play R800i currently on stock ROM/Kernel (Clockworkmod and root).
I am currently considering moving to custom Kernel and one ICS Rom, especially now that the touchpads are apparently fully functionnal.
However, I have some questions related to how I am used to use my phone.
I basically use my phone for three things :
1. standard phone functions (messages, receiving and calling...)
2. some internet search
3. gaming
Apart from that, I use a few apps like a calendar, some pdf reader, camera on the go and so on...
But I do not use to go for full multitasking.
So, first concern :
I understood so far that ICS roms were enabling greater multitasking but that game performance could be altered (broken games in ICS and Sony concern of the gaming performance leading to the official Sony ICS rom to be frozen).
Anyone has a clear answer on this ? Does ICS Rom give a boost to gaming ?
Now, second concern :
Regarding the custom Kernel, I read various things going from the "Hey, that's the greatest thing on earth!" to the "What a battery drainer!".
I also read some complaints on the fact that even if the cpu can be properly overclocked, the gpu overclocking is extremely limited at the moment.
Therefore, is it useful to overclock ?
Does it give such a boost in overall performance and in gaming performance ?
I can fully understand that emulation is certainly boosted up by overclocking but can we really feel the difference on gpu intensive games like Dead Trigger for example ? As the gpu is not overclocked, is there any benefit on such games ?
I am pretty sure some of these questions are already answered some way or the other in this forum but it seems I was not able to find any specific thread on the subject.
Hopefully, some of you will have clear answers for me.
Thanks a lot in advance, guys,
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Overclocking on ics for me doesnt make a difference in gaming performance/emulation or using everyday apps. Big battery drain on ics rather than stock gb. Clearly ics is not made for the xperia play because of its specs. ICS is tailored for the higher end phones. Stock gb is the way to go.
Thanks for your answer,
Before I decide to unlock my bootloader (I still have 1 year of warranty so far...), I will try to apply the various XPeria Play tweaks, get the V6 Supercharger script to work and remove bloatware with the Aroma bloatware remover.
This may help...
You confirmed that ICS ROMs may be so useful so far. They may come up smoother later on and it seems Sony is working on a Jelly Bean ROM for Xperia Play. So, wait and see !
Regarding the overclocking, as the gpu can not be overclocked so far, I will not mess with this at the moment.
I am just wondering if a custom kernel coming with improved Adreno 205 gpu drivers may give a speed boost, even without overclocking...
Cheers,
Melidian said:
Thanks for your answer,
Before I decide to unlock my bootloader (I still have 1 year of warranty so far...), I will try to apply the various XPeria Play tweaks, get the V6 Supercharger script to work and remove bloatware with the Aroma bloatware remover.
This may help...
You confirmed that ICS ROMs may be so useful so far. They may come up smoother later on and it seems Sony is working on a Jelly Bean ROM for Xperia Play. So, wait and see !
Regarding the overclocking, as the gpu can not be overclocked so far, I will not mess with this at the moment.
I am just wondering if a custom kernel coming with improved Adreno 205 gpu drivers may give a speed boost, even without overclocking...
Cheers,
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Let me cut to the chase no matter what you do use v6, adreno gpu drivers, overclocking or whatever you didnt list.By using ICS there will always be lag on some if not most applications as I said so before ICS will never beat GB. Where are your sources? Sony just confirmed they wont be making Jb on the 2011 line devices.
Well, it seems I got false hope from previous Sony statements.
They said no ICS, then one spoke-person said not JB, then Sony came back saying they are currently investigating JB implementation on all there 2011 Xperia phones (where I got stuck...) and they just recently announced that JB was simply dished away but they would follow up the 2011 products with firmware maintenance...
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/19/sony-mobile-confirms-2011-xperia-devices-will-not-get-jelly-bean
So, it seems you are right and my sources were simply outdated... That's a real pity in terms of marketing communication.
I can understand the 2011 phones may not be powerful enough to allow for ICS or JB but Sony just created some false hope for nothing and this could have been avoided.
Coming back to the subject, there is one point I did not understand properly.
I fully understood your position regarding ICS on Xperia Play. No way to get it 100% perfect whatever we do. That's fine.
Now, would you recommend GB custom roms and all the v6 + overclock + tweak + all I don't know at the moment to get a smoother, faster experience and gaming performance ?
Or do you consider that even under GB based roms and kernels, the Xperia Play performance does not make a difference big enough to justify risking the warranty (especially unlocking the bootloader) ?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, you've pointed very interesting points so far :good:
Melidian said:
Well, it seems I got false hope from previous Sony statements.
They said no ICS, then one spoke-person said not JB, then Sony came back saying they are currently investigating JB implementation on all there 2011 Xperia phones (where I got stuck...) and they just recently announced that JB was simply dished away but they would follow up the 2011 products with firmware maintenance...
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/19/sony-mobile-confirms-2011-xperia-devices-will-not-get-jelly-bean/http://
So, it seems you are right and my sources were simply outdated... That's a real pity in terms of marketing communication.
I can understand the 2011 phones may not be powerful enough to allow for ICS or JB but Sony just created some false hope for nothing and this could have been avoided.
Coming back to the subject, there is one point I did not understand properly.
I fully understood your position regarding ICS on Xperia Play. No way to get it 100% perfect whatever we do. That's fine.
Now, would you recommend GB custom roms and all the v6 + overclock + tweak + all I don't know at the moment to get a smoother, faster experience and gaming performance ?
Or do you consider that even under GB based roms and kernels, the Xperia Play performance does not make a difference big enough to justify risking the warranty (especially unlocking the bootloader) ?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, you've pointed very interesting points so far :good:
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Might want to fix that link there. As for your question about custom GB roms/kernels, I personally believe it's worth it. The performance gains from Linaro-compiled kernels (such as DooMKerneL or LuPuS-GB) more than justifies it in my eyes.
Ok.
Many people are focusing on NXT v1.3 custom rom.
I may have a try on that one later on with DoomKernel.
PS : link fixed by the way...
use this one :
very nice ,very fast :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1903985
it don't need any exaggeration , belive me , just flash it
Hi Guys and Gals,
First post here for me =) so ya new noob in town. And before i get blasted, I tried searching for something of a similar nature but the search was down and because i am looking to pick this up tomorrow for £100, thought i would post. If there is a similar post and you are privy to the url, please post below =)
Like everyone here no ICS is disappointing however the fact that GB seems to run the phone in general better, is there any real reason to upgrade the OS on this particular device?
I am aware custom ROM's for ICS and i believe JB? are available, but do these hinder, performance, compatibility, the game pad use, camera? What is the disadvantage is there to upgrading via custom ROM?
Sony puts a wealth of bloatware on their devices, but I'm told that the Walkman, Sony Movie among others actually are useful apps and are liked among the community. Do we get the option of keeping these?
In Feb/March i will be looking to get a Nexus 4, so this phone will be a secondary in the end. However how does it hold it self for web browsing and gaming? I know the resolution is pretty low for today's standards, but i am seriously considering it. Obviously if i could upgrade the OS version and keep full functionality that would be ideal, but i have seen no such confirmed reports.
Finally with the above mentioned, is there still enough support from developers to purchase this? or should i just wait and save the money for the nexus come feb? Any constructive input would be appreciated, and please if your going to bash it, follow it up with a reason that is not Sony is Lazy and because this phone is rubbish.
Thanks everyone
Chaosprime
GB is the most stable and offers the best performance for games. The disadvantage is that you'll lose your warranty. I really like the new features ICS brought, but I'm going to keep on GB, just because I use it for gaming a lot.
ridder215215 said:
GB is the most stable and offers the best performance for games. The disadvantage is that you'll lose your warranty. I really like the new features ICS brought, but I'm going to keep on GB, just because I use it for gaming a lot.
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Warranty isnt a issue as its second hand over a year old anyway. so upgrading to ICS or JB from what ive been reading around the site removes game pad or touch pad use. does g2ics or was it G2JB? this from what i gathered remains on the GB kernal but imports ICS/JB features? Does this also remove pad functionality? shouldnt if its still on the GB kernal?
My main use will be for gaming (no brainer ) and web browsing, till i get my Nexus anyway then web browsing will be on that.So for gaming purposes stick to GB, leaving GB will only worsen the gaming capabilities on the device?
Chaosprime said:
Warranty isnt a issue as its second hand over a year old anyway. so upgrading to ICS or JB from what ive been reading around the site removes game pad or touch pad use. does g2ics or was it G2JB? this from what i gathered remains on the GB kernal but imports ICS/JB features? Does this also remove pad functionality? shouldnt if its still on the GB kernal?
My main use will be for gaming (no brainer ) and web browsing, till i get my Nexus anyway then web browsing will be on that.So for gaming purposes stick to GB, leaving GB will only worsen the gaming capabilities on the device?
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Yes, leaving Gingerbread will most likely not be beneficial for the gaming experience, as the newer versions of Android are more demanding in terms of processing power and ram memory. Gin2ICS and Gin2JB are Gingerbread roms with an ICS or JB theme and some features, so it will be very close to the performance of stock Gingerbread. You will still be able to use the touchpads. I have read that there is a fix for the gamepads on Ice Cream Sandwich, not sure about Jellybean though.
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Yes, leaving Gingerbread will most likely not be beneficial for the gaming experience, as the newer versions of Android are more demanding in terms of processing power and ram memory. Gin2ICS and Gin2JB are Gingerbread roms with an ICS or JB theme and some features, so it will be very close to the performance of stock Gingerbread. You will still be able to use the touchpads. I have read that there is a fix for the gamepads on Ice Cream Sandwich, not sure about Jellybean though.
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Thanks so much. The Gin2ICS sounds sweet if the slide out controller has full functionality.
OK so i found the following links which i thought was useful. Have you had a look or attempt at these?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1854682
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828902
Seems to have everything and erything fully functional and running smoothly. Might be worth a try? If one was to flash their device and didnt like the result, could they revert to stock without difficulty? or would they need to manually find the stock files off the internet?
Thanks
Chaosprime
The rom does seem like it's running okay, especially with the drivers, but they seem to be included in the rom:
Changelog:
New Bin files ( higher preformence and game combatiblity )
New Andreo Drivers for 2xx
Increase Ram without swapper implement
New Framework files ( increase Preformence and gamecompatiblity )
New Lib Files ( increase Preformence; app and gamecompatiblity )
New Sony ICS Gamepad and Touchpad drivers ( get it from Sony )
New Build.prop ( be not afraight there are 2.3.4 at build.prop its for game Compatiblity and Apps Compatiblity they was Xperia Play Optimized )
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Might be worth a try.
To get back to stock you can flash a .ftf file, plenty of guides about that on this forum.