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So far I have zero complaints about this phone, there are some ui things I would like fixed, and I know can be fixed via rooting, but they just don't seem to be enough to push me over the edge. I have files downloaded and ready to go, but just can't seem to take the plunge. I thought I had my first los today, but the phone recovered as soon as I was back in signal(if it hadn't that would have done it).
So why should I root?
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You can always revert back to the stock kernel if you have an issue (or have them that frequently that you can't stand it). Anybody who thinks that once you root there is no way to go back is an idiot. "lol, I got no LOS then I rooted and even though I put stock kernel back its all [email protected] lol" not true.
I got 2 LOS in the first week stock...rooted...got a bit more than usual, but nothing crazy. Flashed stock kernel back, still rooted, didn't have another for a few weeks until I flashed a new kernel...flashed back, have had none...etc etc etc, YMMV, but, umm, I don't think you have anything to be afraid of. Just know what you are doing...don't just flash stuff and figure it out later. Know why you want something and how to 'put it back'...also having/making a USB jig would be a good idea, but not necessary.
You can get them for like $3 on amazon or build one with a microUSB cable and $1 worth of stuff from radioshack.
I don't know about you but I certainly didn't get this phone to NOT mod it.
I didn't get the phone to keep it stock, not really worried about los, it recovers after flying for 2 hours with no signal, rooting shouldn't make much difference., planning on using viperom and lostkernel.
Maybe tomorrow I will root
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flyboy1100 said:
I didn't get the phone to keep it stock, not really worried about los, it recovers after flying for 2 hours with no signal, rooting shouldn't make much difference., planning on using viperom and lostkernel.
Maybe tomorrow I will root
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The only thing I can tell you is that read the directions and understand ODIN for all of the ODIN stuff you do. That is one of the ways you can brick the fnck out of this phone...not paying attention in ODIN. Don't write a partition if you are not told to...and try to only use it to flash a kernel+CWM and flash everything else from CWM if and when possible.
If you aren't worried about LOS (and it is real and under the right circumstances it'll effect every phone...reboot...no big deal...if it is flash a pulled stock kernel) then go for it.
I haven't tried ViperROM on this phone yet, but, I can tell you from my time with the E3D that kid knows what he's doin'....I'm sure this ROM is no different and I've heard nothing but great things about the LoST kernel.
If you don't want to root, don't. Why would anyone want to pressure you?
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Tell us how it goes. You won't be disappointed.
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If U need convincing, you probably don't need it.
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Someone convince me to strangle my puppy. I love him and all and he is very well mannered but if you guys can talk me into strangling him, I will.
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If U need convincing, you probably don't need it.
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I agree. You root cause u want to. If u want someone to convince u then maybe u shouldn't.
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I don't understand why some people view this almost like losing their virginity, trying a drug or robbing a liquor store. It's a very well understood technical process with very specific pros and cons that are also very well understood.
Yep. First android phone for me, and I bought it with the full intention of making it MY phone. After all, they are basically an additional limb for most people, no? (I'd say if you're registered with xda that is most likely the case! ) So you might as well go balls to the walls, right? If you're not into that kind of thing, then keep it stock! This phone is AMAZING just sitting at the home screen...it looks awesome! It is a great piece of technology, with plenty of great features and capability, and will serve you very well whether its rooted or not. Good luck with whatever you do!
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If you don't want to root, don't. Why would anyone want to pressure you?
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Not looking for pressure. I will probably root it tomorrow or next week
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Because all the cool kids are doing it!
I broke down and did it yesterday when someone said viper ROM solved his app freezing due to using a ton of CPU usage bug. So far, so good.
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OP if you are on EG30 baseband could you extract the modem.bin file for us so we could test it?
I would just stay stock. Honestly, no offense to the developers, but there is just nothing substantial out there. If you want a couple of different themes, you could consider rooting, but other than that every ROM I have flashed provided close to nothing really.
I mean, what? Battery percentage mod? Removed CIQ? "Speed" tweaks? A reboot option?
Nothing made this phone faster or more efficient than stock touchWiz. There is no real difference except that people like to flash, so they would flash anything.
Sorry. That's just my take on it.
Wait for MIUI or CM.
I gotta say i miss root, I was finicky on rooting my epic 4g ad once I did, oooh lord I never looked back , of course I've stumbled into troubles but following directions, I got back on track and learned a few this gs along the way, now what's stopping me on rooting the ET4G is not having the actual way to go back to full true stock,like we were able to do on the epic 4g with using Odin, giving you a factory full stock phone , or any older device, since we don't have true stock roms and kernels, unless I'm wrong g of course and I've been missing out! If so direct me!
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I gotta say i miss root, I was finicky on rooting my epic 4g ad once I did, oooh lord I never looked back , of course I've stumbled into troubles but following directions, I got back on track and learned a few this gs along the way, now what's stopping me on rooting the ET4G is not having the actual way to go back to full true stock,like we were able to do on the epic 4g with using Odin, giving you a factory full stock phone , or any older device, since we don't have true stock roms and kernels, unless I'm wrong g of course and I've been missing out! If so direct me!
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We have stock roms to ODIN, but it's not factory stock. We have the factory stock kernel that was pulled from a stock phone. What we lack is an OEM RUU to make it 100%-in-every-way-stock.
That said, I have trashed my 4G and wifi somehow on multiple occasions due to rampant recklessness on my part. I just factory-wiped (apparently...I don't remember that part but I must have) and flashed the ODIN rooted stock (with stock kernel) and it fixes everything every time.
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We have stock roms to ODIN, but it's not factory stock. We have the factory stock kernel that was pulled from a stock phone. What we lack is an OEM RUU to make it 100%-in-every-way-stock.
That said, I have trashed my 4G and wifi somehow on multiple occasions due to rampant recklessness on my part. I just factory-wiped (apparently...I don't remember that part but I must have) and flashed the ODIN rooted stock (with stock kernel) and it fixes everything every time.
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So then you recommend rooting this early?
i rooted so i could have wifi tethering and control over CPU speeds (via setcpu) in addition, there's some neat functionality that starburst ROM allows:
- better lock screens
- motion controlled silencing of phone
- battery % viewing
some people care about the speed tweaks (i haven't noticed any speed increase) and ciq (i don't really care for this), but there are several reasons to root. that being said, if you don't need the additional functionality of the phone, then preserve your phone's warranty!
Yea I'd say stay stock in terms of the ROM and kernel, but hell yea why not root? Right now I'm running stock kernel with CWM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305099) and the stock ROM with root and busybox (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282415) and I love it. I was running Midnight ROM but I went back to stock to see if that helped the LoS issues at all. If you're like me and really just want control over the hotspot feature and CPU underclocking (things of that nature) then def go stock rooted fo shoski.
I have had this phone since day 1 and was in the first group of people to start rooting and screwing around with it. I can tell you that I have had LOS since pretty much day one and struggled with it tremendously. I've noticed that when I've been on trips in areas with bad reception and constantly roaming and unroaming I would get LOS 20+ times a day. I started getting LOS at home on my Airrave while connected to Wifi constantly on the ROM that I had been running for a long time with a kernel that I had also been running for awhile. I read about Strongsteves Odexed ROM and decided to give it a whirl, why not, I've tried every other ROM. I've been running this ROM for a week now with zero Los issues at all. The kicker for me was this weekend I took my family on a trip and again I had bad reception and was roaming in and out all day yesterday. I had zero Los the entire day. I can't explain why it works, but it works. I not even close to a developer but more of a power user/Flash test dummy. I know my way around Android as far as flashing and screwing my phone up and getting it back but other than that, I'm not much help. All I can tell you is it works so long as you don't go dumping other kernels over it. Anyway, just thought I'd get this out there, hopefully more of you will try it and verify that it works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323763
The most likely reason it "fixed" your LOS is it changed your kernel back to stock, via chris41g's stock EG30 kernel repacked with CWM and you are in a scenario where you wouldn't have had any LOS if you had stuck with the stock kernel. There are some folks who are in a situation where they would have had LOS even on stock kernel, and this wouldn't have helped them.
So definitely if you see LOS, it is worth a try to go back to stock EG30 kernel, either the completely stock EG30 kernel or the stock EG30 kernel repacked with CWM, to see if the LOS goes away. It won't "fix" the LOS bug as that is in the base kernel/rom from Samsung, but it could make it so in your situation you see it much less or don't see it at all.
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The most likely reason it "fixed" your LOS is it changed your kernel back to stock, via chris41g's stock EG30 kernel repacked with CWM and you are in a scenario where you wouldn't have had any LOS if you had stuck with the stock kernel. There are some folks who are in a situation where they would have had LOS even on stock kernel, and this wouldn't have helped them.
So definitely if you see LOS, it is worth a try to go back to stock EG30 kernel, either the completely stock EG30 kernel or the stock EG30 kernel repacked with CWM, to see if the LOS goes away. It won't "fix" the LOS bug as that is in the base kernel/rom from Samsung, but it could make it so in your situation you see it much less or don't see it at all.
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And that's pretty much why I posted this. I'm so tired of reading threads of the latest and greatest kernel and then guys saying "omg, omg, los, los!". This has fixed it for me and many others. I'm not going to bash anyone else's work because I sure the hell can't do it, I just think it would clear a lot of the los pandemic up so the devs could focus on what's important, a true AOSP ROM.
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I,m on my 4th day with no Los. I went my 1st 2 weeks stock in September with no Los. I started getting Los when I started flashing. I'm sticking with strongsteve. I'll let you know if I do get Los.
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And that's pretty much why I posted this. I'm so tired of reading threads of the latest and greatest kernel and then guys saying "omg, omg, los, los!".
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That's cool.
I'm just clarifying your suggestion and saying people can achieve the same behavior with their existing ROM by flashing either the stock pulled EG30 or chris41g's stock pulled EG30 repacked with CWM. I like StrongSteve's work, but the critical factor in the behavior change you saw was the kernel that he included, which can be installed separate from StrongSteve's ROM.
Note, I'm careful to not say people can "fix" their LOS with the stock EG30 kernel, just that they can achieve the same experience (w/r/t LOS) of installing StrongSteve's work, just by installing the stock EG30 kernel with their existing ROM (assuming their existing ROM will work with a stock EG30 kernel)
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That's cool.
I'm just clarifying your suggestion and saying people can achieve the same behavior with their existing ROM by flashing either the stock pulled EG30 or chris41g's stock pulled EG30 repacked with CWM. I like StrongSteve's work, but the critical factor in the behavior change you saw was the kernel that he included, which can be installed separate from StrongSteve's ROM.
Note, I'm careful to not say people can "fix" their LOS with the stock EG30 kernel, just that they can achieve the same experience (w/r/t LOS) of installing StrongSteve's work, just by installing the stock EG30 kernel with their existing ROM (assuming their existing ROM will work with a stock EG30 kernel)
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I totally understand. I wasn't stock for probably a day so for all I know I never would have had the issue stock. I kind of thought the kernel could be the reason but so many people have said there is no way it's kernel related that I've kind of latched on to that.
Either way if the people that are crying the worst about los would try it, it could help. Anyway, thanks for the input.
i can see this LOS topic is going to be annoyingly redundant.
LOS has nothing to do with you being rooted, stock, whatever. it is random.
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i can see this LOS topic is going to be annoyingly redundant.
LOS has nothing to do with you being rooted, stock, whatever. it is random.
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Then don't read or reply to them.
If you're not getting Los, good for you, keep on keeping on. Those of us that are, are trying to figure out WTF we can do to not miss important phone calls, or emails, or text, etc, etc...
I'm sorry you clicked on a thread and felt obliged to comment on it.
just stating.. it's a randomly occurring thing
there are like 20 threads on it
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just stating.. it's a randomly occurring thing
there are like 20 threads on it
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Good thing this is an open phone forum.
I'm trying to help someone out, obviously you don't need it, but there are many cluttered kernel threads about los issues. I'm not smart enough, obviously, to know if it's kernel related or not. I am however smart enough to know when my los is occurring and when it's not, right now it's not and I flashed a different ROM with a different kernel. So if I can help just one person stop posting in Dev threads about their Los so we can get Devs working on the **** that really matters, I'm happy.
well, i guess i shouldn't say it is completely random as SOMETHING is causing it to happen.
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well, i guess i shouldn't say it is completely random as SOMETHING is causing it to happen.
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Why u still posting? He is trying to help someone out and offer a possible solution. If u don't like it don't post. Go back to your better evo3d.
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How many los threads are up now?
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You guys still keep feeding Sprint and Samsung by buying this phone and giving them the impression that it's great and rosy. Vote with your pockets and send them the message.
That's what I did. One would think by now that some fix would have come from Samsung concerning their flagship phone, but nothing.
I got tired of missing calls and emails and constantly checking to see if LoS had crept up or not, it got annoying. Went back to my trusty Nexus S.
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Zero LOS on stock kernel. Got a couple on early custom kernel . Went to pulled stock and zero since. I am running strongsteve's ROM as well and haven't had a single issue with it. I don't understand why if someone takes stock kernel, adds CWM and overclock odd issues seem to arise. If I need to flash something, I use stock w/ CWM5 but go right back to pulled stock after. Maybe I am being overly cautious but I have had 100% success on stock. I am sure we will get an update fix and things will take off from there. Also, my Nexus S 4g doesn't get near the signal strength (especially on 4g) as this phone
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Going to try the Rogue pulled stock w/ CWM5 and see if it's as stable ad pulled stock by itself
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Going to try the Rogue pulled stock w/ CWM5 and see if it's as stable ad pulled stock by itself
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I actually did some beta testing for him. I've been running it for 2 days now with zero issues. Again, I know this isn't a fix for everyone, but I'm so tired of reading the custom kernel threads with people crying LOS without at least trying this. I've talked to several people that this has worked for.
It should be here Tuesday. Been doing some homework, however, some quick Q's for you pros.
I'm coming from an HTC Evo4G and Evo3D, so Odin is somewhat unfamiliar...
What is the "best" root method?
Is most everything on the Epic similar to that of the Fascinate? I've rooted and flashed MIUI on one of those...
Anything I need to avoid like the plague????
Thanks!!!!
monkeybone12 said:
It should be here Tuesday. Been doing some homework, however, some quick Q's for you pros.
I'm coming from an HTC Evo4G and Evo3D, so Odin is somewhat unfamiliar...
What is the "best" root method?
Is most everything on the Epic similar to that of the Fascinate? I've rooted and flashed MIUI on one of those...
Anything I need to avoid like the plague????
Thanks!!!!
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You might want to look into QBKing77's videos, it'll probably help you out a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6B97247164921053&feature=plcp
Also, if you go into the development section and look around a bit, you'll be able to find useful things, as well as answers to questions you may have, quite quickly.
Hope it helps, and enjoy this awesome phone!
monkeybone12 said:
It should be here Tuesday. Been doing some homework, however, some quick Q's for you pros.
I'm coming from an HTC Evo4G and Evo3D, so Odin is somewhat unfamiliar...
What is the "best" root method?
Is most everything on the Epic similar to that of the Fascinate? I've rooted and flashed MIUI on one of those...
Anything I need to avoid like the plague????
Thanks!!!!
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Touch recovery unless u like pretty bricks lol, i came from og evo and used oneclick odin and auto root to root my et4g only took about 10mins search the dev thread for them they were buried a little ways down when i rooted on friday and i had to read for a cpl hours to familiarize my self with all the new terms and the real differnces in the setup of this phone vs the evo but i previously owned a samsung intercept which was similar in setup so a refresher was all i really needed and familiarizing myself with the updated methods (odin vs swupdater) etc
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Touch recovery unless u like pretty bricks lol, i came from og evo and used oneclick odin and auto root to root my et4g only took about 10mins search the dev thread for them they were buried a little ways down when i rooted on friday and i had to read for a cpl hours to familiarize my self with all the new terms and the real differnces in the setup of this phone vs the evo but i previously owned a samsung intercept which was similar in setup so a refresher was all i really needed and familiarizing myself with the updated methods (odin vs swupdater) etc
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I use Touch Recovery and I have no issues at all..
Mark.J.Linskiy said:
You might want to look into QBKing77's videos, it'll probably help you out a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6B97247164921053&feature=plcp
Also, if you go into the development section and look around a bit, you'll be able to find useful things, as well as answers to questions you may have, quite quickly.
Hope it helps, and enjoy this awesome phone!
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Thanks a bunch! Been looking through the wiki and development. Looking like some great Devs on this phone!
-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Touch recovery unless u like pretty bricks lol, i came from og evo and used oneclick odin and auto root to root my et4g only took about 10mins search the dev thread for them they were buried a little ways down when i rooted on friday and i had to read for a cpl hours to familiarize my self with all the new terms and the real differnces in the setup of this phone vs the evo but i previously owned a samsung intercept which was similar in setup so a refresher was all i really needed and familiarizing myself with the updated methods (odin vs swupdater) etc
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Using Touch Recovery on my Evo4G, LOVE IT!
Thanks for the heads up on the auto root method, sounds up my alley coming from revolutionary and unr3voked.
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Thanks a bunch! Been looking through the wiki and development. Looking like some great Devs on this phone!
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No problem.
There are definitely great Developers on this phone.
My personal favorite ROM is by Rujelus22, he also just released a Beta Kernel with Touch Recovery.
Good Luck!
the "Touch Recovery" as long as you use one that is baked into a kernel is fine (ie rogue Hitman Kernel) Part of the issue at least with everything I've been reading is that when people use the "TEMP" touch (from say the clockwork app in market that allow a "temporary" touch recovery to be put in place) is when a lot of people have had issues. I use the Hitman repack and I've yet to experience any issues with it ever.
As for rooting the phone I do it the tried and true way always with Odin. I kept a Stock EG30 (what this phone came with at launch) Odin restore on my computer with sfhub's auto root. It takes a few longer to do a root process (I do believe that sf made a EG30 auto root that comes in Odin form Odin that and you have root with busybox and superuser)
Like I said I just go about it differently. That's how I root my friends phones and they don't mind the few extra minutes or so that it takes cause once it's done they have a phone always in 100% working order and ready to go.
Touch recovery bricks when you try to come back to GB from ics through cwm.
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Touch recovery bricks when you try to come back to GB from ics through cwm.
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Thanks for the heads up.
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the "Touch Recovery" as long as you use one that is baked into a kernel is fine (ie rogue Hitman Kernel) Part of the issue at least with everything I've been reading is that when people use the "TEMP" touch (from say the clockwork app in market that allow a "temporary" touch recovery to be put in place) is when a lot of people have had issues. I use the Hitman repack and I've yet to experience any issues with it ever.
As for rooting the phone I do it the tried and true way always with Odin. I kept a Stock EG30 (what this phone came with at launch) Odin restore on my computer with sfhub's auto root. It takes a few longer to do a root process (I do believe that sf made a EG30 auto root that comes in Odin form Odin that and you have root with busybox and superuser)
Like I said I just go about it differently. That's how I root my friends phones and they don't mind the few extra minutes or so that it takes cause once it's done they have a phone always in 100% working order and ready to go.
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I'd love a link if you have any handy.
Odin did seem pretty simple when I've used it before. What is this I keep reading about a flash count? Is there a limited time you can flash roms?
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I'd love a link if you have any handy.
Odin did seem pretty simple when I've used it before. What is this I keep reading about a flash count? Is there a limited time you can flash roms?
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there is a counter in the bootloader. After a non standard ROM is flashed, the counter is triggered and you get the "triangle of shame" that let's service people know you've flashed a ROM on your phone / voided your warranty. A USB jig can reset the triangle and the counter. you can get 'em on Amazon, Ebay, or you can make a jug for next to nothing...
Good luck and welcome to the fold! You're gonna love it!
P.S. I'm a firm proponent of the 4.0 Blazer ROM. Buttery smooth fast and great battery life... (FB15 modem)
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there is a counter in the bootloader. After a non standard ROM is flashed, the counter is triggered and you get the "triangle of shame" that let's service people know you've flashed a ROM on your phone / voided your warranty. A USB jig can reset the triangle and the counter. you can get 'em on Amazon, Ebay, or you can make a jug for next to nothing...
Good luck and welcome to the fold! You're gonna love it!
P.S. I'm a firm proponent of the 4.0 Blazer ROM. Buttery smooth fast and great battery life... (FB15 modem)
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Oh, THAT'S ALL? Lol... I was thinking it was something different.
It should be here in a matter of 12-16 hours... Freaking stoked. Thanks for the Rom recommendation! Looking to try a few off of the bat. MIUI has always been one of my faves, but 4.0 Blazer will be flashed too!
I came from the evo too this phone was a little confusing at first but a little reading and it makes sense real quick ive settled on team nocturnals dark ics blend rom with stock kernel and fb21 modem and im getting about 6-8hrs screen on time
Edit: im at 10hrs 36mins on battery 8hrs 46mins screen on been trying to see how long it would last me with heavy use today been browsing xda most of the time and my display is 83% battery use cuz i have my brightness at about 80%
Edit 2: i forgot to mention im at 46% battery left on stock 1800 battery as well with that usage rediculous compared to my evo that was 3500 battery times for me my 1800 in my evo would be dead at 8 hrs screen on
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I'm gonna throw this out there and hopefully prevent some bad things, I am a lurker who reads a TON. I am gonna strongly caution you against using touch recovery. Far too many phones have been getting bricked lately. Also, don't pay too much attention to modems or odin at first, eventually you'll get curious and go for it, but it's not really necessary for most things. If you are gonna go for odin, I'd suggest buying the mobile odin app from the market. Very handy app.
But be warned, stay away from touch recovery for now. Wait for the kinks to be ironed out.
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I'd love a link if you have any handy.
Odin did seem pretty simple when I've used it before. What is this I keep reading about a flash count? Is there a limited time you can flash roms?
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look up qbking77 on youtube, he has great videos for this phone including the 1-click method to root this phone. Also, I believe buying a jigg will reset the counter on odin
Freeroot said:
I'm gonna throw this out there and hopefully prevent some bad things, I am a lurker who reads a TON. I am gonna strongly caution you against using touch recovery. Far too many phones have been getting bricked lately. Also, don't pay too much attention to modems or odin at first, eventually you'll get curious and go for it, but it's not really necessary for most things. If you are gonna go for odin, I'd suggest buying the mobile odin app from the market. Very handy app.
But be warned, stay away from touch recovery for now. Wait for the kinks to be ironed out.
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Thanks for the advice. Not falling on deaf ears.
Snagged up mobile odin BTW, looks pretty slick!
DAMN.... THAT was easy!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
I came from the evo too this phone was a little confusing at first but a little reading and it makes sense real quick ive settled on team nocturnals dark ics blend rom with stock kernel and fb21 modem and im getting about 6-8hrs screen on time
Edit: im at 10hrs 36mins on battery 8hrs 46mins screen on been trying to see how long it would last me with heavy use today been browsing xda most of the time and my display is 83% battery use cuz i have my brightness at about 80%
Edit 2: i forgot to mention im at 46% battery left on stock 1800 battery as well with that usage rediculous compared to my evo that was 3500 battery times for me my 1800 in my evo would be dead at 8 hrs screen on
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I heard BATT life was outstanding on this little devil. Let's hope!
I ended up almost 15 hrs onbattery with close to 12 hrs screen on when i plugged in at18% last night
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Hey guys. I'm just coming to the 4g touch after hard bricking my Fascinate. I'm a little hesitant to flash an ICS rom on this thing after the brick. From what I'm reading here it seems ICS roms on this phone are even less stable than they are on the Fascinate and causing a lot of hard bricks.
Really the only differences I noticed in ICS were the ability to pull down the notifications bar from the lock screen(which I absolutely loved) and the panorama camera option which can be had using Camera ICS. Is there something else I'm missing?
With better battery life, better performance and stability in GB, what brings you to ICS prior to source being released?
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Hey guys. I'm just coming to the 4g touch after hard bricking my Fascinate. I'm a little hesitant to flash an ICS rom on this thing after the brick. From what I'm reading here it seems ICS roms on this phone are even less stable than they are on the Fascinate and causing a lot of hard bricks.
Really the only differences I noticed in ICS were the ability to pull down the notifications bar from the lock screen(which I absolutely loved) and the panorama camera option which can be had using Camera ICS. Is there something else I'm missing?
With better battery life, better performance and stability in GB, what brings you to ICS prior to source being released?
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The risk of bricking has been minimized through the hard work of our Devs and programming community. If you thoroughly read and follow posted installation instructions you aren't likely to brick.
People mainly brick when they get in a rush, or try and take short cuts or simply disregard posted instructions.
There are plenty of enhancements in ICS over GB, I'd suggest people flash a ROM and explore them for yourself. Just read, read, read and ask questions before you ever take any step you are unsure of.
I'll agree with Esoteric68 here. She's spot on about the 'brick' issue. Do you research before you do anything!
As to the why of it? This is xda developers the people here tend to be into tweaking (in the non-meth sense) with technology and like to ride the bleeding edge of technology or squeeze out the most from the old stuff.
I've like the ICS builds for some of the items you've mentioned. Plus I get to stay ahead of the curve, as it where with my technology. Myself I've only had one application that won't support ICS and found another one to supplant it. I like the smoothness and tweaks I can do with ICS.
There are some really great developers here and some awesome ROMs to play with. Just, as already mentioned, read 1st and be careful.
I was scared to flash ICS for a couple months because it wasn't official but I've done my research like everyone says to do. I can't tell you how many times I've flashed ICS roms this past week, not one scare. Just read up and do as the devs say and you'll be good. If you're not sure, ask questions.
I've got the same question as the op roughly. I know that it isn't much of a risk flashing ICS nowadays, but am wondering what in ICS was worth it for people to make the change. I've looked around and don't see too many features really that I don't see in GB so i feel like i'm missing something.
I'm also one who appreciates all the work the devs do to put together these roms for all of us with all the tweaks they put in. Like I mentioned I'm just now waiting to get my 4g touch in the mail tomorrow after bricking my Fascinate. I had been running a number of ICS roms on my Fassy prior to the brick and while I loved playing with them it seemed like the tweaks the devs put into the roms were unrelated to the actual update of the OS. I had been flashing roms for that phone since the early Froyo days so I had thought I had a pretty good idea of what I was doing and always read the proper way to flash things but then one fateful day I tried to flash the latest MIUI coming from MIUI 1.2.9 and ended up with a bootloop, I think I forgot to wipe date/cache. No problem I thought, this has happened before, just ODIN stock and start over. But then something went terribly wrong in ODIN and now I'm left with a phone that won't turn on, won't charge and comes up as "unrecognized" on my pc. If I could just get it into download mode I could save it but I haven't been able to. Now it's got me a little more cautious of what I flash and how often I'll be flashing.
Maybe the devs can answer this since they know more about insides of the OS. Are there things you can modify in ICS that were not possible in GB?
There is a very long and technical thread about the ICS 'super bricking' issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
Basically Sammy screwed the pooch with the way ICS kernels make(s) calls to wipe partitions, particularly the EMMC controller.
It's actually a 'hard coded' firmware thing. But since it is firmware, it should be fixable via a firmware flash. It's just we don't really have that code access from Sammy and they seem to be dragging their feet on this.
There are even OTA updates in Europe (France primarily) that are superbricking a load of Galaxy Notes!
sfhub, Entropy512, garwynn and others with way more skills than most are on it. Esoteric68, robertm2011 and a few others took the risk and spent the time to test the workarounds and fixes that were put together. And you'll see from all the activity here that if caution is used you can pretty safely flash away. Since I've had time this week I've actually flashed about 8 different ROMs and restored nandroids too.
Just keep in mind to read the OPs of any ROM and follow their flashing instructions, read the 'how not to brick' stickies etc.
sfhub, chris41g and Agat put together some great 'safe' kernels.
If you're truly worried you can always use sfhub's one-click to get you to a stock FF18 build - kernel, ROM and modem at one shot.
ICS builds are really quite different in the structure to GB. So yes, as a developer, there are a few more things you can do. It's just a matter of figuring out where things are.
Good luck and have fun!
my location services and gps were horrendous with the el29 update, on ICS its soooooo much better, that made it worth the risk to me
I read and read and read and read a little more until I no longer saw it as a risk. It became more of a "why not?" Now that I have experienced ICS I will never go back. I really like the streamlined multitasking. I think that is the prominent feature. :cyclops:
The old adage is: Don't fly higher than your willing to fall.
In this situation, practice techniques, development and ROMs on a device you're not afraid of bricking. Consider it a "tool of the trade". The OLED phones are starting to appear in pawn shops for little money.
I have asurion insurance and am trying to find a reason to use it so I didn't waste my money
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By far my favorite feature is the swipe away notifications. The few times I have been back on GB that was the first thing that bothered me. I can never go back. Especially after tasting AOSP. TouchWiz is trash for me. I suggest you try CM9 or AOKP. Both excellent ROMs with great support right now. There are many more reasons why ICS is superior, depending on preference I suppose, but the bottom line is at this point, with safe recoveries being released, your chance of bricking are I'd say slim provided you follow instructions. I have flashed probably 40 Roms over the last few months. Only time I soft bricked was cause I tried to cowboy up and not follow directions...
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I'm confused. Whats the risk?
ICS is dead simple to install if you know how to read.
(genuinely curious seeing as i've had ICS (in different forms) on my E4GT since it was possible. Currently on CM9.)
Yep I echo everyone's advice. Ask questions!
I got the phone a month ago and remember starting a thread asking a ton of questions and I got all the help I needed.
Flashing roms and the terminology (had never heard of Odin) was completely different from the last phone I had, so I am glad I did my homework before taking the plunge.
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There's no risk...
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It is safe to flash ICS using ODIN and the newer recoveries. FF18 should be safe, I used it a few times, el26 is the recommend kernel/recovery to flash any cwm zip with as far as anything that includes wiping partitions.
Just remember ODIN ODIN ODIN!
Flash ICS based roms at your own risk, stay away from wipe data/factory reset on any ICS rom until it has been confirmed working on new roms. When using other ICS roms and you are not sure, DO NOT FACTORY RESET OR WIPE DATA. USE ODIN TO GET BACK TO A SAFE KERNEL.
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What risk? Read the how to's and no so how to's, and the risk gets eliminated.
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Watch this thread... Soon there should be no risk at all!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28400468
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Can anyone tell me if it is safe to install a build version of ICS to my already flashed epic 4g touch? Any help its greatly appreciated!
Thanks
ICS isn't where you get in trouble. Its going back to gb or doing a factory reset wipe. Use calks wipe all instead of using wipes in an ICS recovery and you will be golden. Read the how not to brick my phone thread if you are really paranoid.
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Hey all,
I'm pretty tired with the Sprint/Samsung shenanigans, and am seriously debating ditching this phone. The hardware is fine, but I haven't yet gotten the OTA ICS update yet (and don't seriously expect it to happen any time soon). For me, not having the latest Android OS is a major deal breaker--let's not go into why I didn't buy a phone with it when I had the chance, as I was basically lied to. With Jellybean now out, and still on GB, I'm pretty grumpy. I just want a clean, functional Google Android experience, and I don't feel like I'm getting it with the current, stock on SGS2.
I used to have an original Motorola Droid, and I'm familiar with the rooting/modding scene, but I've been away for a while and the learning curve appears to be really steep. Using Koush's ROM Manager software used to be so slick, but now appears to be largely useless for the SGS2. So, I'm feeling a bit discouraged.
TLDR / So, with basically no help/options from Sprint themselves, I'm faced with either spending a significant time reading & researching on rooting/modding my phone to ICS/JB, or possibly swapping it on the private market for a Galaxy Nexus. I imagine that, as a Google flagship phone, the Android OS experience is likely to be much better.
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
Silentknyght said:
Hey all,
I'm pretty tired with the Sprint/Samsung shenanigans, and am seriously debating ditching this phone. The hardware is fine, but I haven't yet gotten the OTA ICS update yet (and don't seriously expect it to happen any time soon). For me, not having the latest Android OS is a major deal breaker--let's not go into why I didn't buy a phone with it when I had the chance, as I was basically lied to. With Jellybean now out, and still on GB, I'm pretty grumpy. I just want a clean, functional Google Android experience, and I don't feel like I'm getting it with the current, stock on SGS2.
I used to have an original Motorola Droid, and I'm familiar with the rooting/modding scene, but I've been away for a while and the learning curve appears to be really steep. Using Koush's ROM Manager software used to be so slick, but now appears to be largely useless for the SGS2. So, I'm feeling a bit discouraged.
TLDR / So, with basically no help/options from Sprint themselves, I'm faced with either spending a significant time reading & researching on rooting/modding my phone to ICS/JB, or possibly swapping it on the private market for a Galaxy Nexus. I imagine that, as a Google flagship phone, the Android OS experience is likely to be much better.
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
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For ICS official version then safe kernel/recovery All flashed in ODIN under the PDA slot
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1721229
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767421
There is a JB Rom out but its not fully stable yet. after you have the custom kernel/recovery then you can flash to a custom ROM. The ROMs in my sig, I've had awesome experience with as everything works, not laggy and looks a hell of a lot better than stock. But I would stick with SGS2. I love this phone.
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Silentknyght said:
Hey all,
I'm pretty tired with the Sprint/Samsung shenanigans, and am seriously debating ditching this phone. The hardware is fine, but I haven't yet gotten the OTA ICS update yet (and don't seriously expect it to happen any time soon). For me, not having the latest Android OS is a major deal breaker--let's not go into why I didn't buy a phone with it when I had the chance, as I was basically lied to. With Jellybean now out, and still on GB, I'm pretty grumpy. I just want a clean, functional Google Android experience, and I don't feel like I'm getting it with the current, stock on SGS2.
I used to have an original Motorola Droid, and I'm familiar with the rooting/modding scene, but I've been away for a while and the learning curve appears to be really steep. Using Koush's ROM Manager software used to be so slick, but now appears to be largely useless for the SGS2. So, I'm feeling a bit discouraged.
TLDR / So, with basically no help/options from Sprint themselves, I'm faced with either spending a significant time reading & researching on rooting/modding my phone to ICS/JB, or possibly swapping it on the private market for a Galaxy Nexus. I imagine that, as a Google flagship phone, the Android OS experience is likely to be much better.
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
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Sounds like you would like a iPhone
Seriously though. This is xda plenty of stable ics builds including cm9 and aokp to satisfy any need all found in development section :thumbup:
Rooting is easy. Just takes some reading and comprehension skills that we all should have
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I think gb way more stable, faster, more responsive, and has better battery life. Ics is not going to give you any thing better than you already have it might even make it worse. I'm considering downgrading to gb calkulin 3.0 and looking for a nexus aswell... If you need ics one click ff18 is the safest and easiest way to get it.. Coming from other phone its hard catching up aswell im still afraid of flashing because I have no insurance or a way to replace my phone BUT there are many excellent roms out there you just have to be carefull and you will be fine
g_ding84 said:
For ICS official version then safe kernel/recovery All flashed in ODIN under the PDA slot
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1721229
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767421
There is a JB Rom out but its not fully stable yet. after you have the custom kernel/recovery then you can flash to a custom ROM. The ROMs in my sig, I've had awesome experience with as everything works, not laggy and looks a hell of a lot better than stock. But I would stick with SGS2. I love this phone.
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Humor me, here. My reading comprehension is fine, but I appreciate confirmation of steps. From stcck EL29, I assume:
1. Flash official ICS version linked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1721229
2. Flash safe kernel/recovery, AGAT_v0.4.0, linked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767421
3. Then what...? A choice to stay on stock rooted ICS or to flash any other rom? If I should choose to flash to a different rom, or a JB rom when they're more stable, will the safe kernel/recovery avoid all the nonsense of flashing back to EL26, etc.?
EDIT: Also, is CWM still necessary, or has it been obsoleted? It seems like with ODIN / Mobile ODIN, there is no need for CWM to flash new mods. Is this correct?
Thanks again.
Lol. I never questioned your reading comprehension. Yes that is the correct steps. As for agats safe kernel/recovery I use it all the time. It has the brick code (eMMC wipe) removed/disabled. Then after that yes flash whatever custom rom you would like. Flashing the EL26 kernel is I believe for leaving CM9 and AOKP to another rom. TW based.
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Silentknyght said:
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
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This is a safe, easy and quick method for the SGS2 (assuming Sprint's Epic 4G Touch):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
That said, I'm going back to GB. I have 2 Epic 4Gs and both drop wifi after a few minutes (off at sleep not enabled). Plus, Google seems to have become a bit more invasive in ICS for my taste.
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Lol. I never questioned your reading comprehension. Yes that is the correct steps. As for agats safe kernel/recovery I use it all the time. It has the brick code (eMMC wipe) removed/disabled. Then after that yes flash whatever custom rom you would like. Flashing the EL26 kernel is I believe for leaving CM9 and AOKP to another rom. TW based.
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Thanks... I did both. I'm not really happy with Touchwiz, and I'd really prefer an Android experience closer to a Google flagship phone. Any recommendations? Is there a similarly easy & straightfoward way to do it, or only the "back to EL26" (or similar) rigamarole?
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Thanks... I did both. I'm not really happy with Touchwiz, and I'd really prefer an Android experience closer to a Google flagship phone. Any recommendations? Is there a similarly easy & straightfoward way to do it, or only the "back to EL26" (or similar) rigamarole?
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You should really check out QBking77's videos on youtube. Go to his Epic 4g Touch channel. Any situation you can think of when flashing, he shows you step by step on how to do it (or undo it) with links to all the required files.
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You should really check out QBking77's videos on youtube. Go to his Epic 4g Touch channel. Any situation you can think of when flashing, he shows you step by step on how to do it (or undo it) with links to all the required files.
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Thanks. I did have Frankenstein's Ego 4.5 on my E4GT for a while, but when I tried to switch to AOKP Milestone 6, somehow it bombed out while following QBKing77's vids. So... hence, I'm here, asking questions, and exploring options.
I'll give it another try later tonight when my kid's asleep.
Thanks, again. :good:
Mobile ODIN is my friend. Keep the direct boot kernel on your sd card. I also use it to flash agats kernels. No yellow triangle as well. I know how ya feel. I got two kids. Lol
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I don't like Touchwiz either but basically it is just a launcher skin. Install a new launcher like Nova or Apex and you'll be very close to a vanilla Android experience and you'll never even see all the TW crap. Uninstall the bloatware with Titanium backup and you might not mind TW based roms at all.
If you want an alterative to TW look, I recommend The Blu Kuban ROM (ics). Most of the TW elements are removed and it feels like a completely different phone. All the stock apps are themed too and its very customizable on how you want it to look. Lots of helpful people in the faq ROM thread as well if you are unsure of anything.
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Silentknyght said:
Thanks... I did both. I'm not really happy with Touchwiz, and I'd really prefer an Android experience closer to a Google flagship phone. Any recommendations? Is there a similarly easy & straightfoward way to do it, or only the "back to EL26" (or similar) rigamarole?
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For an aosp rom(non twiz) I recommend aokp, it has tons of extra settings for customization and the cm9/10 themes work with theme manager in aokp. If you wanna flash straight to aokp, Odin el26+cwm.tar from your PC (or mobile Odin) boot to recovery volume+ & power, flash aokp.zip wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache & dalvik cache, flash aokp.zip again, wipe both caches flash gapps.zip, reboot to android
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If you are on the official ff18 build to get the ICS look and feel go to settings, and then go to applications, then select all, then go down to twlauncher, and press clear default, when you hit the home key on your phone a menu will come up select the first option if you like it make it your default.
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Thanks, everyone, for your help. I ended up installing CM9 Alpha 6, using the Mobile-Odin w/ the Directboot CWM method. Fairly painless, and more to the point, the look & feel is really close to what I desired.
CM9?
Hi guys im on stock FF18 and I would really like to try stock ICS because it looks fluid and looks good. How do I install CM9 from having stock FF18 unrooted? I have tried to research this but a lot of the guides out there are only for EL29. Thanks guys Im pretty new to this.