Ok this a call out to all you rom devs!
Some bloody good work going on there.....but...can any of you port these onto the Salsa?
some of you have.....we need more...i look at your rom lists and im sobbing lol
so far we have bens sense....M1nds 2.1/3.5 sense and 2 of our very own roms... Iconic & Iconic S.
Please note...we do not have a working kernel......jmz & ben know about this and have worked closely in resolving this...
we just need more...
I normally test roms out before release on our units as i know what im doing...so u will get feedback in appropriate manner lol...
Any help please post here or mail me.....
surely one of you guys............
Have you heard of Chocolate & Coffee? That's my ROM. Very basic. I would port it, but I'd need some advice on how to do so properly. Maybe when my kernel comes out, I might release a version for Salsa, if requested.
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And who is jmz meant to be?
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Bad-Wolf said:
And who is jmz meant to be?
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Oh, ok. And what do you know about porting? Ever tried?
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Bad-Wolf said:
Oh, ok. And what do you know about porting? Ever tried?
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nope, i havent got a working linux to do it in...and my knowledge is limited...still learning lol
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nope, i havent got a working linux to do it in...and my knowledge is limited...still learning lol
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Ok. I'd like to port my ROM. Need the knowledge though.
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You can use porting tools in kitchen to port sense roms......They just come out like butter!! I've done this to create my own salsa port.....so,i think the same can be done..
Try it!!
csoulr666 said:
You can use porting tools in kitchen to port sense roms......They just come out like butter!! I've done this to create my own salsa port.....so,i think the same can be done..
Try it!!
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As far i know that will port the Rom but makes a lot of issues because of the other Hardware. Means Buggy Wifi /Data/ 2/3G .
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I didnt have any issues except a few graphic one...otherwise everything works fine
well if some one wants to port one....ill be testing it straight away!
I was thinking of trying that. Explain what you did.
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You can use porting tools in kitchen to port sense roms......They just come out like butter!! I've done this to create my own salsa port.....so,i think the same can be done..
Try it!!
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That is what my post was about.
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Hello all!
So, are there anyone who can really port ICS to our phones?
It's not very complicated, it's only need to put all the things together, nothing else.
So, anyone is really interested?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1331265
^others already on it.
No, that's topic what you linked is dead in practice ;p There is only words, nothing else.
tehpunk said:
Oh hey there
Well got the source-code now just exploring it, seeing how it all works ( first using source -code for a rom)
Then will try to compile it
I'm not dead
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I'm pretty sure he's working on it.. we need to be patient..
Ok, I trust you. Sorry ;-)
Macław said:
Ok, I trust you. Sorry ;-)
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It's alright..
Macław said:
Hello all!
So, are there anyone who can really port ICS to our phones?
It's not very complicated, it's only need to put all the things together, nothing else.
So, anyone is really interested?
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Wow man, you were a noob in developing...... now your a MASTER!!!!
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Macław said:
Hello all!
So, are there anyone who can really port ICS to our phones?
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You lol
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I wanna compile it for y and or other phones but my pc cant handle even android 1.6 from source -_-
herpderp © aint got money to pay to my fish
Would be great if someone could, guess the other guy is kinda 'dead', bought a new phone or just discontinued his project
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Would be great if someone could, guess the other guy is kinda 'dead', bought a new phone or just discontinued his project
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Of course he discontinued his ROM!
¡¡¡SAY HALLO TO MY LITTTLE FRIEND!!!
Team,
I am requesting you please develop any of the ICS ROM, i want to use the ICS rom.. I have under development section still its under WIP.
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Team,
I am requesting you please develop any of the ICS ROM, i want to use the ICS rom.. I have under development section still its under WIP.
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It is in development, you obviously need to wait.
Its not going to pop out from your phone will it?
Just have little patience, we're close. CM9 (ICS) should be released soon.
ICS/CM9 is developing by only one person - gladiac/modpunk. The problem is that he is probably the only of several peoples on WFS thread, who really knows much about porting and stuff. But he is having problems with enabling hardware acceleration. I think people can help by asking developers form other threads how they "hacked" HA and posting answeres in development thread.
The whole WFSDEV team is trying to port CM9 to our phone. Check out the official site.
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check #wfsdevteam irc channel on freenode and you will see that only few person is really deving CM9 rom, others do their own things.
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check #wfsdevteam irc channel on freenode and you will see that only few person is really deving CM9 rom, others do their own things.
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Their main page says the whole team is working on it. :/ Sad.
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The whole WFSDev Team works on porting CM9. The development of the other projects is not stopped, but the developers working the most of his/her time on CM9.
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I'm sorry if I'm too impatient, but I don't see any changelogs or progress reports. It would be good to see that the work is still going...
We work on the rom
See that as a life report: WE LIFE
No, if any changes are avaible, we will provide it to you guys!
i just can't understand why so few people are working on ics/cm9.
why all are still palaying with gingerbread? you don't whant ics on our wildfire s or what? or maybe it is too hard for you to port it? if so i can't say anything to change it...
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i just can't understand why so few people are working on ics/cm9.
why all are still palaying with gingerbread? you don't whant ics on our wildfire s or what? or maybe it is too hard for you to port it? if so i can't say anything to change it...
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SO FEW people are working on it, because we are a small community!! Jheesus man, stop demanding and learn the means to port it yourself if you have the time.
We need more devs, so ask for more devs instead of changelogs. THAT's the way forward.
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i just can't understand why so few people are working on ics/cm9.
why all are still palaying with gingerbread? you don't whant ics on our wildfire s or what? or maybe it is too hard for you to port it? if so i can't say anything to change it...
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Not an easy job,plus just two of them are capable to do such thing...enjoy your stock or cm7 by alquez...he did a great job
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I'm going to download the cm9 repo tomorrow and build it to see what works and what needs fixed
Note: I'm not promising anything I will try my best to get it working for us but I no the cm team are still modding to work on arm6 devices since Google released the code for arm7 I think
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*se-nsei. said:
SO FEW people are working on it, because we are a small community!! Jheesus man, stop demanding and learn the means to port it yourself if you have the time.
We need more devs, so ask for more devs instead of changelogs. THAT's the way forward.
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We are just a team of 9 10 (idgox just joined) devs. We have lives, work/uni/school and other projects to do.
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Damn I need a bigger hard drive mine is to small for cm7 and cm9 sources ill have to save up for a bigger hard drive and that could take weeks lol
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eoghan2t7 said:
Damn I need a bigger hard drive mine is to small for cm7 and cm9 sources ill have to save up for a bigger hard drive and that could take weeks lol
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hmm...what... how .. what are you using?
Team,
Still how many days I should wait for ICS ROM, please build it very fast..
Build a rom is not so easy.
Built a rom from basics is kore difficult.
Build a rom in another, not tested android version is most difficult.
We, wfsdev team, work very fast at the rom, but please be patient.
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We are just a team of 9 10 (idgox just joined) devs. We have lives, work/uni/school and other projects to do.
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Exactly,all devs do this as hobby,not for living,so be patient and thankfull for whatever work they do...its time consuming to write an email,imagine building a rom out of source..how many red bulls,mars bars,co.aine or what not XDXD...jokes aside,WAIT,WAIT,and yea almost forgot WAIT.
And be thankfull for every litlle tweak or mod someone make...SALUTE
@dream707 Sheesh man go and develop it youself -.- Or pay a dev 1000 bucks then maybe he'll hurry a bit more
Let's talk sense 4
Github: github.com/wfsdev/marvel-golf-port
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I wanted to start that , but it seems like nobody other than s_off can do it , as for the internal memory has to be resized for the system to fit ...
this thread will house the ROM when it is finished
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I wanted to start that , but it seems like nobody other than s_off can do it , as for the internal memory has to be resized for the system to fit ...
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Indeed but we can strip and png crush
We could also attempt something like system2ext - for now we will probably use repartitioning zips as most of us devs are s-off.
Edit: it looks like using the SD for system is easy due to the way we can pretend it's part of the internal memory
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I never really liked squashed roms.. but may have to pull the squasher out.
Hardware sounds strikingly similar.. anybody know of any other differentials other than [its] arm7 vs [our] arm6?
Rob
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a reason to go back to sense again.. looking forward..
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I never really liked squashed roms.. but may have to pull the squasher out.
Hardware sounds strikingly similar.. anybody know of any other differentials other than [its] arm7 vs [our] arm6?
Rob
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Just a different instruction set, no real problems, only really for game porting. Some libs will need to be changed.
The reason why it is hard to port games to armv6 is because v7 supports floating point calculation.
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It does support it better; although the armv6l does have a lil virtual floating point. Main thing is you'd probably have to rewrite shaders for gaming. Luckily, that's not where we're at
Built on ics I assume... 4.0.x; x=?
Nice.. jik..,mind.., I mean einstein.frat has a 3.0 kernel; that may come in handy.
Rob
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It does support it better; although the armv6l does have a lil virtual floating point. Main thing is you'd probably have to rewrite shaders for gaming. Luckily, that's not where we're at
Built on ics I assume... 4.0.x; x=?
Rob
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I will look at build.prop now
My guess is 4.0.3
Edit: I was right, it is 4.0.3
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this is imposible port, its like porting symbian 3 to an X6. I'll just wait for an idogx port if this is possible, then I start modding as usual.
einstein.frat said:
this is imposible port, its like porting symbian 3 to an X6. I'll just wait for an idogx port if this is possible, then I start modding as usual.
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What are you on about mate?
Nice thread benj, also XDA newswriters said to me they will feature post the wildfire s about ics as soon as a sense 4 rom is available in some way, then I have to tell them. Then everyone will know about CM9 too.
Henry_01 said:
Guys stop fighting over here, this is a DEV thread!
We are only with four on this project. JMZ hasn't the time and benjamin hasn't got internet.
That's only me and simon remaining. I guess simon has his things to do also.
Therefore I'm asking help, you just need a github account and a WFS of course.
d33ps1x, alquez, matt5eo, eoghan2t7, ...
I removed already a lot of stuff and I've got some ideas to remove some more:
the list!
Thanks!
PS: I will temporary stop this until someone else helps me. This way normal users will get angry and the work will start again
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If you're really desperate for space then alarms, notifications and ringtones can be stored on the sd card under /sdcard/Media/ in their respective folder.
einstein.frat said:
We'll you act as if you are geniuses in porting, dont tell me you made a sense 3.5 rom port when it was all idogx work. Stop making lullabies I see you posting your to be done projects and hating touchwiz. Dude find a job or go to school than roaming and posting lies.
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Cough aokp cough
m1ndh4x8r said:
Oh yeah, then who is no.human.being arselicker, black a$$ indian noob. Buy a desire c poor c*ck sckr.
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Wow, that is just......low. To everybody who doesn't know, m1nd is Einstein.Frat so....
1. Multiple accounts is against rules
2. Off topic is against rules
3. Unneeded foul language is not allowed
4. insulting other people is obviously not allowed
SO TO EVERYBODY READING THIS, I WOULD NOT TRUST YOUR PHONE WITH A GUY WHO MADE A TOTAL OF 3 ACCOUNTS AND AGGRESS WITH HIMSELF.
Henry_01 said:
Guys stop fighting over here, this is a DEV thread!
We are only with four on this project. JMZ hasn't the time and benjamin hasn't got internet.
That's only me and simon remaining. I guess simon has his things to do also.
Therefore I'm asking help, you just need a github account and a WFS of course.
d33ps1x, alquez, matt5eo, eoghan2t7, ...
I removed already a lot of stuff and I've got some ideas to remove some more:
the list!
Thanks!
PS: I will temporary stop this until someone else helps me. This way normal users will get angry and the work will start again
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Well, I found a way of getting internet, I found an old copy of backtrack 3
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WOW. Can't believe what i'm seeing here. If only devs can work together and build the most stable ICS Sense 4 rom!
Edit: Feel like wanting to learn porting roms myself.. if only i have the skills like you guys..
im no dev but i gotta say this, that guy is really annoying i hope you guys can port this i think it looks great. well, this one and cm9/aokp
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Well, I found a way of getting internet, I found an old copy of backtrack 3
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hope to see u back soon
Henry_01 said:
Guys stop fighting over here, this is a DEV thread!
We are only with four on this project. JMZ hasn't the time and benjamin hasn't got internet.
That's only me and simon remaining. I guess simon has his things to do also.
Therefore I'm asking help, you just need a github account and a WFS of course.
d33ps1x, alquez, matt5eo, eoghan2t7, ...
I removed already a lot of stuff and I've got some ideas to remove some more:
the list!
Thanks!
PS: I will temporary stop this until someone else helps me. This way normal users will get angry and the work will start again
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uhh.. simon's computer went capoot, and I said I'd throw some time at it already... maybe that was Jmz's announcement thread.
wierd.. the suggestions I made on github today got erased... perhaps I have better things to do with my time as well. This thread is getting a little crazy anyway; don't want to add to any fray.
Rob
"Coming soon" threads are not allowed. I think the posts in this thread show why.
One member has been banned permanently. others will receive infractions or bans once I start going through the thread now.
@OP please start a new thread once you have something available for download.
EDIT: another permanent ban and one 7 day ban handed out. Stop with the flaming and trolling.
Hey Guys(Developers), I want to learn how to port a new rom from Modpunk's ICS, I'd like you guys to post links of threads which have the detailed information and can help me for learning, how to port a rom. Thanks :'")
-Paras
How will it be different?
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What? -.-
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How will it be different?
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That's a st*pid answer.
@OP: Try PM'ing people like modpunk, eoghan, etc .. Take a stroll in the Dev section, generally those who know what they're doing are there.
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That's a st*pid answer.
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I know it went off-topic but I was wondering about his plan on what he was going to build on to CM9 but that was NOT a stupid answer.
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I know it went off-topic but I was wondering about his plan on what he was going to build on to CM9 but that was NOT a stupid answer.
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Eh, I didn't mean stupid as in dumb, I meant off-topic.
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Eh, I didn't mean stupid as in dumb, I meant off-topic.
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Yeah, I can agree with you.
@OP - Sorry about that comment
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That's a st*pid answer.
@OP: Try PM'ing people like modpunk, eoghan, etc .. Take a stroll in the Dev section, generally those who know what they're doing are there.
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Hmmm.. okay.. I thought you could help me with something... :\
Anyways, thanks
EDIT: I want to just modify the ics rom, do not want to build it from scratch.
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Yeah, I can agree with you.
@OP - Sorry about that comment
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It's okay. But you didn't get me, I WANT TO MODIFY THE ICS ROM. I DO NOT WANT TO COMPILE IT FROM SCRATCH(Hardest), Plus it's not off-topic, I'll first learn how to modify, then I'll get to know how the "BUILDING YOUR OWN ROM" stuff works.. but anyways, Thanks
It's not easy, it's stupid to even ask question like that.Sorry, but it is.
You need to know how things work, you need to know to read, write and understand code.
You can't learn it for a few days, it takes years.
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It's not easy, it's stupid to even ask question like that.Sorry, but it is.
You need to know how things work, you need to know to read, write and understand code.
You can't learn it for a few days, it takes years.
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Really? I thought modifying an already cooked rom must be easy. :O
This is the scale. Hardest to easiest to do in terms of man hours and log reading to get booting.
Porting with no source from armv6 to armv7
Porting with source from armv6 to v7
Porting with source
Porting with no source
Making a custom rom with aroma
Making a decent custom rom
Making a custom rom
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This is the scale. Hardest to easiest to do in terms of man hours and log reading to get booting.
Porting with no source from armv6 to armv7
Porting with source from armv6 to v7
Porting with source
Porting with no source
Making a custom rom with aroma
Making a decent custom rom
Making a custom rom
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Dude, then you gotta teach me *MAKING A CUSTOM ROM* or if you're too busy then gimme some links which'll help me in making a custom rom.
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It's not easy, it's stupid to even ask question like that.Sorry, but it is.
You need to know how things work, you need to know to read, write and understand code.
You can't learn it for a few days, it takes years.
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He's asking about how to make a custom ROM, which doesn't necessarily mean writing a bunch of code. I've only been "developing" (if you can call it that) for a few months now. I've learnt so much and I'm releasing my first ROM alongside benjamingwynn in the coming weeks.
Anyone else a bit bummed over nit's decision to pull the ROM, at virtuous team's request. Sucks and understandable though... Sad part was about to give it a try, as I'm done waiting for an official ICS release for the Dinc2 and wanted to move on from GingerBangSense "M".... If only I had checked a few mins earlier....
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Yeah.. I honestly don't understand why they would publicly release it if nobody can use it in their roms
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Why would they request it to be taken down? And why not do so when it was being beta tested?!? Sounds like a lot of wasted time and effort for that team. do they have a competing ROM that's just not as good?
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msolaw said:
Why would they request it to be taken down? And why not do so when it was being beta tested?!? Sounds like a lot of wasted time and effort for that team. do they have a competing ROM that's just not as good?
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Yeah I mean... what's the point of not letting devs use the m10 tools? Virtuous doesn't get money if people use their rom, unless people donate.. I mean... it's just really nonsensical to me.
Very disappointed. Was truly a fantastic ROM.
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Hell I don't even run sense roms (except UKB cuz its the truth :thumbup: ) and this is crazy, if there's no financial gain at stake, why not let you use their tools I haven't seen virtuous release anything for our phone in a while. Idk just think its wrong and it sux for all the work you and your team have done
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Yeah I dont care if I piss them off or not but I just sent them a "nice" email expressing my feelings about all this. Bunch of Indian givers if u ask me.
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eriknors said:
Yeah I dont care if I piss them off or not but I just sent them a "nice" email expressing my feelings about all this. Bunch of Indian givers if u ask me.
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Be careful.... you might offend litetaker xD
I'm already dealing with an NHL lockout, now a ROM lockout too?
Lol
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nitsua98 said:
Be careful.... you might offend litetaker xD
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And why would I care if I did???
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Ya I don't get it either. Revolt!!!!!!
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And why would I care if I did???
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U know who litetaker is D:?
P.S. if u want 1.0.2 u might *wink* want to check nits's files *wink*
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U know who litetaker is D:?
P.S. if u want 1.0.2 u might *wink* want to check nits's files *wink*
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What I was really waiting for was 1.1.0 but that's not even an option now.
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i just winked the **** out of 1.0.2 :good:
Maybe virtuous is taking a leaf out of Verizon's book. Promising something tasty and pulling it away when it comes time for release.
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Thankfully, I was able to find the download link to 1.0.2. Going to have to wipe and install.
Don't think I fully understand what they mean though... They mean we have to mod the m10s ourselves or can't use the tool, or what?? It seemed real vague to me.
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I don't understand why Virtuous would do this.
they already did the m10 mods, and have it publicly released, why not let others use it?
I guess they are jealous that Virtuous is pretty much only known for their m10 tools.
Quite petty and immature if you were to ask me.
but this won't stop Nit!
He's a machine!
tylerlawhon said:
Don't think I fully understand what they mean though... They mean we have to mod the m10s ourselves or can't use the tool, or what?? It seemed real vague to me.
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andybones said:
I don't understand why Virtuous would do this.
they already did the m10 mods, and have it publicly released, why not let others use it?
I guess they are jealous that Virtuous is pretty much only known for their m10 tools.
Quite petty and immature if you were to ask me.
but this won't stop Nit!
He's a machine!
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guys, please dont get irritated at all anyone
virtuous guys spent a long time resizing a ton of things, and apparently want it exclusive to their infinity project, and i can totally undestand that
on my part, back when i added the m10 from their rom into ukb i should have checked with them first, but several other full sense 4 roms already had used it for a few weeks, so i thought nothing of it...the distinction is that the m10 tool is for anyones usage....the work theyve done with the tool on their own for their roms, is not (its actually encrypted)
and iirc their sharing policy was that no one needed to ask permission anymore, just to credit properly and give them the heads up (me mentioning it irc when no one was around was probably not good enough on my part lol)
i guess they just dont pay attention to xda much aside from their own threads, but when torxx posted viperDHD and it got 50k views in like a day, it made someone notice and they actually looked into it
its over as far as im concerned, and im sorry that months ago i didnt properly verify with them if i could use it..no execuse for that really
anyway, one of the members of team blackout is working on the m10 now for rosie, and portrait is already done (see my post in viper thread) and hopefully we ll be back up soon (week or less)
it is what it is, but apologies for the abruptness of how it went down...and remember, without them develping m10 tools in the first place, we d have nothing to work with!
I do appreciate your explanation Justin. I was having a hard time reconciling what was going on regarding m10 and the virtuous team and my previous view of the virtuous team. I can see where you went awry with no ill intent. Hopefully, in the long run, no harm no foul.
Thanks again so much for your efforts.