Does anyone know if there are any import duties on these? I ordered 2 of them from clove. I'm starting to think that maybe I should have only ordered 1 at a time.
The only thing I've been able to find dates back to 2009 and suggests that there are no import duties on cell phones: http://www.techenclave.com/mobile-phones/zero-import-duty-on-cell-phones-105238.html
I think I may have found the answer to my question.
United States International Trade Commission: http://hts.usitc.gov/
SECTION XVI: Chapter 85 (save link - Table 85.xml)
Direct link to XML file: http://hts.usitc.gov/Table 85.xml
Line 4277 in the xml file:
Code:
<eight_digit_row lineno="443">
<htsno>8517.12.00</htsno>
<description lvlind="2">
Telephones for cellular networks or for other
wireless networks:
</description>
<mfn_tariff>Free</mfn_tariff>
<special>
<tariff> </tariff>
</special>
<other_tariff>35%</other_tariff>
</eight_digit_row>
Looks like the UK is a MFN country (http://dataweb.usitc.gov/scripts/gsp/gsp_group.asp?country_group=NTR), therefore no import duty.
Am I correct in this assessment?
vincentm said:
Does anyone know if there are any import duties on these? I ordered 2 of them from clove. I'm starting to think that maybe should have only ordered 1 at a time.
The only thing I've been able to find dates back to 2009 saying that there are no import duties on cell phones: http://www.techenclave.com/mobile-phones/zero-import-duty-on-cell-phones-105238.html
I think I may have answered my question.
United States International Trade Commission: http://hts.usitc.gov/
SECTION XVI: Chapter 85 (save link - Table 85.xml)
Direct link to XML file: http://hts.usitc.gov/Table 85.xml
Line 4277 in the xml file:
Code:
<eight_digit_row lineno="443">
<htsno>8517.12.00</htsno>
<description lvlind="2">
Telephones for cellular networks or for other
wireless networks:
</description>
<mfn_tariff>Free</mfn_tariff>
<special>
<tariff> </tariff>
</special>
<other_tariff>35%</other_tariff>
</eight_digit_row>
Looks like the UK is a MFN country (http://dataweb.usitc.gov/scripts/gsp/gsp_group.asp?country_group=NTR), therefore no import duty.
Am I correct in this assessment?
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I can't speak to what the official rule is, but mine from Clove was not charged any customs duty.
In addition, I used to travel frequently to Japan, and always ended up buying a bunch of games and electronics. I always declared them on my customs form upon returning to the US, and I was never charged any duty even over many years.
ccampbell1 said:
I can't speak to what the official rule is, but mine from Clove was not charged any customs duty.
In addition, I used to travel frequently to Japan, and always ended up buying a bunch of games and electronics. I always declared them on my customs form upon returning to the US, and I was never charged any duty even over many years.
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Isn't it amazing how our government charges us tax to support the American economy but absolutely nothing to support Europe?
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Ordered from Clove here too, and I didn't pay any import duties or fees.
dustinscottmiller said:
Ordered from Clove here too, and I didn't pay any import duties or fees.
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Likewise...
Do I have to pay taxes when I order a phone from Europe to the United States (in U.S) ?
Because I found the least expensive to buy at Clove! 694$
na, i dont think u have to pay taxes. i was looking at the same option. i am currently in UK and will be coming to USA in a few weeks and Im thinking of buying it from one of these companies and getting it shipped to USA. no taxes.
No taxes import duties or VAT. You may pay a foreign transaction fee if using a credit card. That's about it.
I just got my shipping notification from clove. Nothing additional was charged from the purchase price.
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Do you think maybe we should wait until it officially comes to the U.S. in a few days and it will be cheaper?
jonatansofer said:
Do you think maybe we should wait until it officially comes to the U.S. in a few days and it will be cheaper?
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the gsm version will not be coming out in the US anytime soon, only the LTE will. expect at least 60 days before you see an official US GSM version
I'm from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada and really want to order the 5400mah extended battery by Mugen from Hong Kong. My mom long time ago has ordered a product that was advertised on T.V. but when the item gets to her doorstep, the UPS charges her like $60 on top of the shipping cost and the cost of the item (I have no idea how). Because of this event, I am very very afraid of the same event happening again. If anyone from Canada or specifically Vancouver have ordered anything from overseas like in Hong Kong, please share your experiences with your purchase. Thank you.
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I'm from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada and really want to order the 5400mah extended battery by Mugen from Hong Kong. My mom long time ago has ordered a product that was advertised on T.V. but when the item gets to her doorstep, the UPS charges her like $60 on top of the shipping cost and the cost of the item (I have no idea how). Because of this event, I am very very afraid of the same event happening again. If anyone from Canada or specifically Vancouver have ordered anything from overseas like in Hong Kong, please share your experiences with your purchase. Thank you.
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They always use the postal service and they always claim a lower amount to avoid duty or tax. In some instances you will need to pay ~$5 for brokerage fee and whatever the duty when customs deem you need to pay
If they use other carrier like UPS, FEDEX etc., they will charge ~$50 just for brokerage fee even when you buy a $10 item
stevencyc said:
They always use the postal service and they always claim a lower amount to avoid duty or tax. In some instances you will need to pay ~$5 for brokerage fee and whatever the duty when customs deem you need to pay
If they use other carrier like UPS, FEDEX etc., they will charge ~$50 just for brokerage fee even when you buy a $10 item
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The website says they'll use "First class Airmail," what's the charge on this then? So there's the brokerage fee AND then the duties on top? Thx again.
that has actually never happened to me before. you shouldn't be charged extra if you buy from Mugen and since its airmail there won't be any hidden fees.
From my experience, postal service charges $5 on brokerage fee. However, they don't charge that fee on all shipments. It is like depends on your luck. And that applies to customs duty too. But for item declared/insured under $40, there is definitely NO fee and duty.
Hi I'm from Vancouver as well
so far Ive never encountered any duties or brokerage on items shipped from overseas...even for items $400+
the only time Ive ever had an issue was when i ordered from the states....ordered a cellphone for $200, got dinged $100 for brokerage...never again. I'm assuming your mother ordered from the US as well?
Since then, anybig items, or anything over $100 in value,
i ship to Blaine or Point Roberts using one of their local postal services...
Drive across the border and pick up my package...never hassled for duties....In and out of the states within an hour, really simple
I was charged about $90 duty for the Note but I seldom have to pay any duties for any smaller items. Don't quote the $90 it is my guesstimate from what I remember but it was close to that.
buy via expansys. they ship by private carrier, so you won't get charged any duty fees.
Hi guys, I want to order the Find7a from OppoStyle for 499 USD but I am worried about customs tax.
I live in Canada and I know a few of you in the US have received their phones. Can you tell me if you paid any customs tax? and how much was it? Did you ship with Fedex or the other option?
If anyone lives in Canada, can you tell me how much you paid including customs tax for the Find7a?
Thanks
I'm in Canada. The phone was $499 US, which translated to about $560 CAN with the exchange rate in April. It was shipped by DHL and I had to pay DHL $26 CAN for import charges. Hope this helps.
I live in the US. No customs tax. Paid $499 less 10% student discount. Shipped via DHL. Arrived 6-7 days after.
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I just ordered my phone from HTC's site. I was quite surprised to see I got charged tax on my order.
According to US law, they can only charge tax in states where they physically have a presence. In looking at their e-commerce partner, DR Globaltech, they only have physical locations in CA, WA, MN, and PA.
Given that I live in Maryland, how can they charge me tax? It's not like I bought it thru the carrier our anything like that.
Anyone else experience this?
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I had to pay too... I think everyone does if I'm not mistaken
Some states have enacted taxes on internet purchases regardless of business location.
Paid $648.42. I wish $599 could have been the MSRP.
at least shipping is free.
Mine isn't one of them.
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I'm not sure how it works.. Because as far as im aware, they shouldn't be charging any taxes. But I had the same thing when i ordered my moto last year.
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Some states have enacted taxes on internet purchases regardless of business location.
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This doesn't answer the original question, but technically, the issue is whether they can force the company to collect sales tax, not whether they can impose it. Paying sales tax is the obligation of the purchaser of the product not the seller. If a company has a physical presence in the state, the state has jurisdiction over the company and can require them to collect the tax and pay it on behalf of the purchaser. If there is no presence, the state can't force them to collect the tax, but the company can do so voluntarily. Even if they don't, the purchaser still is obligated to pay the tax and the state can charge you with tax evasion if you don't and collect the tax plus interest and penalties. This is why, from time to time, states have sued out of state companies to get their records of sales into the state. In many states, you are expressly required to include on your income tax return the value of any internet purchases made in the year on which you didn't pay sales tax and pay it then. If you don't, they can go after you for failing to report as well as failure to pay the tax.
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This doesn't answer the original question, but technically, the issue is whether they can force the company to collect sales tax, not whether they can impose it. Paying sales tax is the obligation of the purchaser of the product not the seller. If a company has a physical presence in the state, the state has jurisdiction over the company and can require them to collect the tax and pay it on behalf of the purchaser. If there is no presence, the state can't force them to collect the tax, but the company can do so voluntarily. Even if they don't, the purchaser still is obligated to pay the tax and the state can charge you with tax evasion if you don't and collect the tax plus interest and penalties. This is why, from time to time, states have sued out of state companies to get their records of sales into the state. In many states, you are expressly required to include on your income tax return the value of any internet purchases made in the year on which you didn't pay sales tax and pay it then. If you don't, they can go after you for failing to report as well as failure to pay the tax.
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I did an online chat raising the same issue with them and they simply said they are required to charge tax. I agree that something is fishy though. I live in Pa. and I don't think HTC has any presence in Pa. that would obligate them to collect tax.
yeah i dont understand it either. get $100 off only to have to pay almost $50 in sales tax.
svengalis said:
yeah i dont understand it either. get $100 off only to have to pay almost $50 in sales tax.
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Mine was only 34, but I agree, of course I'd rather not pay for it.
It is because HTC isn't shipping the phone, they use a 3rd party company for their supplier. Can't recall the name of it off the top of my head. But if "they" have a storefront in your state, then you get taxed.
weidnerj said:
It is because HTC isn't shipping the phone, they use a 3rd party company for their supplier. Can't recall the name of it off the top of my head. But if "they" have a storefront in your state, then you get taxed.
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I mentioned the supplier and where their locations were in the country. Since they have an office in Pittsburgh, it makes sense tax is charged in PA.
It's one thing if they have to collect it legally. Otherwise, they just may be pocketing it.
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Superguy said:
I mentioned the supplier and where their locations were in the country. Since they have an office in Pittsburgh, it makes sense tax is charged in PA.
It's one thing if they have to collect it legally. Otherwise, they just may be pocketing it.
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This has been mentioned already but It's because they're internet orders and just like Amazon they're required to collect the tax for 45 states.
It has nothing to do with storefronts or brick and mortar retail operations (traditional Nexus).
EDIT: Taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketplace_Fairness_Act This passed the Senate May 6, 2013
"The federal government has considered legislation--the Marketplace Fairness Act of 2013--that would affect large online retailers and how online sales taxes are collected in all states. The proposed federal law would allow states to require sellers not physically located in their state to collect taxes on online and catalog sales made to people in their state. Sellers that make $1 million or less in annual sales and have no physical presence in the state would be exempt from this requirement. States would have to meet certain criteria to simplify their sales tax laws and make sales tax collection easier before they could require sellers to collect the tax. "
This bill was reintroduced in 2015.
Residents of the 45 states with sales and use tax must pay tax on their online purchases. However, according to the Supreme Court rulings in National Bellas Hess v. Illinois (1967) and Quill Corp. v. North Dakota (1992), retailers, including catalog and online sellers, only need to collect sales and use tax for states where they have a physical presence (This is traditional Nexus).
If an online retailer does not collect sales tax at the time of purchase, the consumer must pay the use tax due directly to the state. While business compliance with use tax filing is quite high, consumer compliance is rather low. <--- In other words HTC and others collect taxes to be compliant because consumers are generally not reliable enough to be compliant. This is practical application in compliance preparation for potential changes in the law.
The Marketplace Fairness Act seeks to increase compliance and tax collections by shifting the responsibility for payment from consumers to retailers.
weidnerj said:
It is because HTC isn't shipping the phone, they use a 3rd party company for their supplier. Can't recall the name of it off the top of my head. .
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Digital River
In Florida, I have never paid taxes for internet orders on Amazon -- There have been a few special scenarios however. So I'm not surprised.
Looks like this is a gray area. Only 4 states require taxes on sales bound for other states where they have no physical presence. DR and HTC don't appear to be in any of them.
While not required, more sites are collecting taxes than before. Amazon was noted as an exception for not doing it.
Of course I'm screwed since Amazon set shop in Baltimore up.
http://www.sales-tax.us/online-sales-tax
Personally, I'd rather them not collect it.
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datafoo said:
This has been mentioned already but It's because they're internet orders and just like Amazon they're required to collect the tax for 45 states.
It has nothing to do with storefronts or brick and mortar retail operations (traditional Nexus).
EDIT: Taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketplace_Fairness_Act This passed the Senate May 6, 2013
"The federal government has considered legislation--the Marketplace Fairness Act of 2013--that would affect large online retailers and how online sales taxes are collected in all states. The proposed federal law would allow states to require sellers not physically located in their state to collect taxes on online and catalog sales made to people in their state. Sellers that make $1 million or less in annual sales and have no physical presence in the state would be exempt from this requirement. States would have to meet certain criteria to simplify their sales tax laws and make sales tax collection easier before they could require sellers to collect the tax. "
This bill was reintroduced in 2015.
Residents of the 45 states with sales and use tax must pay tax on their online purchases. However, according to the Supreme Court rulings in National Bellas Hess v. Illinois (1967) and Quill Corp. v. North Dakota (1992), retailers, including catalog and online sellers, only need to collect sales and use tax for states where they have a physical presence (This is traditional Nexus).
If an online retailer does not collect sales tax at the time of purchase, the consumer must pay the use tax due directly to the state. While business compliance with use tax filing is quite high, consumer compliance is rather low. <--- In other words HTC and others collect taxes to be compliant because consumers are generally not reliable enough to be compliant. This is practical application in compliance preparation for potential changes in the law.
The Marketplace Fairness Act seeks to increase compliance and tax collections by shifting the responsibility for payment from consumers to retailers.
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amazon does not collect tax on all purchases and the only reason they tax me sometimes now is because they put a distribution center here a few years ago.
ive also ordered from ebay and other online retailers that have not collected taxes on my purchases.
svengalis said:
amazon does not collect tax on all purchases and the only reason they tax me sometimes now is because they put a distribution center here a few years ago.
ive also ordered from ebay and other online retailers that have not collected taxes on my purchases.
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Yeah I get that about Amazon, I was super tired and not communicating well and tried to edit my post but wasn't very clear.
As for other vendors, just because they don't charge doesn't mean they shouldn't charge.
What I'm trying to say is HTC is carrying the burden of tax compliance for customers.
If a person want's to see if they're charging tax inappropriately; someone from Oregon, Montana or the other 3 states that don't have sales tax would need to check if they were charged tax on their orders. Because of the burden of compliance HTC is carrying, they're doing everyone a favor by removing the burden of tax compliance from the consumer for the 45 states that do have sales tax.
As previously stated by others if you live in a state with sales or use tax, as a consumer you're required to account for any appropriate tax if not charged by the vendor ie: consumer carry the burden of tax compliance.
Superguy said:
I mentioned the supplier and where their locations were in the country. Since they have an office in Pittsburgh, it makes sense tax is charged in PA.
It's one thing if they have to collect it legally. Otherwise, they just may be pocketing it.
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If they are pocketing it then it is illegal. If any company collects a tax they must hand it over to the state.
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