As everyone know, CM9 nightly for P930/NitroHD is out. I wonder if there is a chance to get it work on LU6200/SU640 devices.
Did the news already arrived on bbs.gfan.com?
Edit: I opened a thread there and hopefully some of the chinese DEV's can understand my bad chinese.
http://bbs.gfan.com/android-3918676-1-1.html
Cromson said:
As everyone know, CM9 nightly for P930/NitroHD is out. I wonder if there is a chance to get it work on LU6200/SU640 devices.
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today i'll try to install it to my LU6200
now i have installed bell p930 canadian firmware, so i hope it will be work correctly
1o1man said:
today i'll try to install it to my LU6200
now i have installed bell p930 canadian firmware, so i hope it will be work correctly
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Please do update us on it... I'm using an SU640 and I hope I can use the cm9 on it.
limpbisquit said:
Please do update us on it... I'm using an SU640 and I hope I can use the cm9 on it.
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i've got a bad news =(
cant install cm9
and using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472501 this firmware ATM
try cwm backup from p930
1o1man said:
i've got a bad news =(
cant install cm9
and using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472501 this firmware ATM
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if someone help us with backup directly from p930
or pull out system.img from adb
1o1man said:
i've got a bad news =(
cant install cm9
and using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472501 this firmware ATM
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Yeah, did this 3 days ago and ended up with the same error. But Ricardo told me before, that it wouldn't work without have someone port it to LU6200 / SU640.
ali_alex said:
if someone help us with backup directly from p930
or pull out system.img from adb
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What exactly do you need from a p930?
cm9
Epyoch said:
What exactly do you need from a p930?
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system.img or cwm backup from someone who has installed cm9
because even if I changed buld.prop from cm9. zip still does not install on lu6200
any good news?
Please be patient, if there is any news it will be here.
it must be due to incompatible kernel. if i remove boot.img which consists of ramdisk and kernel, the device can manage to reach second boot animation before a automatic reboot.with the whole package flashed, it's eternally stuck at the first static LG logo.
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Everytime i attempt to flash a custom rom it works perfectly except my baseband disappears this happens on all roms i am on the official ics rom any help is greatly appreciated thanks in advance
Samsung Captivate Glide Att ICS
Cory_branch said:
Everytime i attempt to flash a custom rom it works perfectly except my baseband disappears this happens on all roms i am on the official ics rom any help is greatly appreciated thanks in advance
Samsung Captivate Glide Att ICS
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Which version of CWMR are you using ? Does it flash properly or shows you any error message while flashing ?
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Which version of CWMR are you using ? Does it flash properly or shows you any error message while flashing ?
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liquid smooth if i understand the question
no errors its liquid smooth then you look theres no signal and in about phone it says unknown if i remember correctly
the rom im trying to get is liquid smooth by the way
Cory_branch said:
liquid smooth if i understand the question
no errors its liquid smooth then you look theres no signal and in about phone it says unknown if i remember correctly
the rom im trying to get is liquid smooth by the way
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I meant the version of Clock Work Mod which you use to flash the ROMS. You need to do some more reading if you still can't figure what is CWM..
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I meant the version of Clock Work Mod which you use to flash the ROMS. You need to do some more reading if you still can't figure what is CWM..
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Sorry for being such a noob but i honestly cant remember right now as my brother helped me with majority of it
Cory_branch said:
Sorry for being such a noob but i honestly cant remember right now as my brother helped me with majority of it
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install from zip
Cory_branch said:
install from zip
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Yup, install from zip. The software is called CWMR. Can you try flashing the covenant kernel from the dev forums http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1569628&d=1355715788
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Yup, install from zip. The software is called CWMR. Can you try flashing the covenant kernel from the dev forums http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1569628&d=1355715788
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I can try it since its just flashing so flash rom gapps plus the kernel
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I can try it since its just flashing so flash rom gapps plus the kernel
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yup and watch for any error's while flashing. Are you sure you were on ICS and what was the baseband it was showing then ?
Cory_branch said:
I can try it since its just flashing so flash rom gapps plus the kernel
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the baseband is I927UCLJ3 and i dont remember if my brother unrooted my phone or not what should i do ps its 2 am????
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the baseband is I927UCLJ3 and i dont remember if my brother unrooted my phone or not what should i do ps its 2 am????
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Just flash the jb rom and kernel. Reboot and see if you get the network. If not then revert to your ICS, until you can try again and provide logcat..
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Just flash the jb rom and kernel. Reboot and see if you get the network. If not then revert to your ICS, until you can try again and provide logcat..
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Reflash gapps also right
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Reflash gapps also right
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right
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right
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i noticed something should i flash that leak 3.0 liquid fixes along with the original file gabbs and kernels
the process just finished and i still have no service restoring
Cory_branch said:
i noticed something should i flash that leak 3.0 liquid fixes along with the original file gabbs and kernels
the process just finished and i still have no service restoring
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Nope doesn't matter. Restore back to ICS...
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Nope doesn't matter. Restore back to ICS...
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here are the pictures you asked for and is there anyway that u can help with logcats???
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here are the pictures you asked for and is there anyway that u can help with logcats???
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I would suggest you to stick to ICS for now, as no baseband can be quite major issue. Search the forums to find out how to provide logcat...
I would also suggest a backup of the EFS before you play anymore with flashing ROM's etc. There is a sticky in the dev threads for the same.
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here are the pictures you asked for and is there anyway that u can help with logcats???
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Before you flash are you wiping data, cache, and dakvik, and formatting system? These are required.
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dman3285 said:
Before you flash are you wiping data, cache, and dakvik, and formatting system? These are required.
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True that. I assume he was doing that of course can't be sure
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True that. I assume he was doing that of course can't be sure
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i did i have a list to follow
Hi guys!
CyanogenMod have released cm10.2 for several days on github.
I have tried to build cm10.2 for SU640/P930 with the help of dczz Feishui,Men and so on.
Now,Phone can get into system,but I came across a serious problem:easily hot reboot.
In the days,I don't have time to fix the problems.
so post it out now!
Anyone can change and fix this rom as long as you are interested .
I will open sourse on github.com as soon as I can.
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Aug.28:
Today,I will post the cm10.2's sourse of LG su640.
Anyone can download and use as long as you are interested .
My github:https://github.com/joyoki
Noticefication:
1)my sourse come from Rmcc's CM10.1,so Thx again.
2)I have checked Rmcc's cm10.2 sourse of P930,he focus on kernel and display and fix many bugs and errors.
3) I'm freshman,so just can fix display and apps,kernel don't change. you can directly use cm10.1' kernel sourse to build.
4)About P93X,Rmcc have post offical cm10.2 on Aug. 27.I have check his sourse,It's better than mine,so there is no need to post P93X's version.sorry...
Hope can help you!
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Aug.26:
chalog:
Fix rebooting
Fix Sdcard (Thx for Rmcc)
bugs:
Reported by you
Rom Download:
Su640:
Release3-cm-10.2-20130826-UNOFFICIAL-su640
p93x:
Release3-cm-10.2-20130826-UNOFFICIAL-p930
Rom is Uploading...
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Aug.25:
Rebooting is Fixed,but not perfect. you should switch on "Disable HW overlays" in Settings-Develoer options.th
This is theView attachment cm10.2-8.20log.txt caught by Feishui about hot rebooting
sdcard is the problem of Fstab. It will be fixed in the later version.
Today, I provide two way to flash the rom:The Backup To Restore and The Flashable ZIP
If you are interested,you can have a try.
At last,Looking forward to Rmcc's offical CM10.2.
Rom Download:
The Backup To Restore
The Flashable ZIP
Notification:
1.The Rom is released for developers and experienced users.You may come across serviral rebooting.
2.If your phone get into system,but easily rebooting, you must go Settings-Developer options to switch on "Disable HW overlays"
3.The Backup To Restore is same with The Flashable ZIP,you don't need to download all.
4.Above all,This is a Dev ,There are many bugs,so I am not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards, or any other issues that may arise from flashing this ROM !
5.About P93X,LU6200 and VS920 ,it is Dev version and is easy to port based on this rom, so don't provide for the moment.
P93X port guide: you just delete "etc" and "boot" of this rom instead of P93X'CM10.1,It will work well.Good luck to you
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Aug.23:
I have find a method to Fix Rebooting.
I will test again to make sure the method is working. The Fixed Rom will be post as soon as possible.
Please Just Wait a Moment.
New ScreenShot:
http://note.youdao.com/share/?id=387922c50460a2716c8a406dc6809b95&type=note
Rom Download: Please Wait For Fix Rom...
Very cool. Thanks for sharing
Sent from my LG-P930 using Tapatalk 4
Waiting for P930. Anyway thanks for developing.
Delete post
Any responses from susers?
slg1119 said:
Thanks...
I want fix this rom
but....
I'm only have SHW-E210S
Navik, You will check this github
https://github.com/OPENSEMC
https://github.com/Team-Hydra
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Very thanks.I have check some days ago,but not work.
Now I kil the HW,Hot Rebooting is fixed.
Anyway thx again.
Built my own for the p930 today - worked well but did not get a data signal. Checked and the apn list was empty. Did you have this issue ? A cursor test of other features seemed to work gps/bluetooth etc...
Nz
notzippy said:
Built my own for the p930 today - worked well but did not get a data signal. Checked and the apn list was empty. Did you have this issue ? A cursor test of other features seemed to work gps/bluetooth etc...
Nz
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No, Data work well.you can use hiapn(an apn manage app in google play) to set apn.It's very easy.
I have built P93X's CM10.2 yesterday,but my network has some problem,uploading is very slowly.
if you cant slove ,you can try to port mine to p93x.
Good luck to you!
@navik @rmcc have you ever seen an error like this, http://pastebin.com/N0qr2nCP?
I'm currently trying to port to a 4.3 ROM and keep rebooting back into recovery.
Thanks.
nexwave-mat said:
@navik @rmcc have you ever seen an error like this, http://pastebin.com/N0qr2nCP?
I'm currently trying to port to a 4.3 ROM and keep rebooting back into recovery.
Thanks.
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I can't open your URL .
Keeping rebooting back into recovery may show that you didn't mount your system,just mount boot.
Hope can help you!
What kernel is in this rom?
ancifil said:
What kernel is in this rom?
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Kernel is 3.0.87,wind kernel.
I have test kernel 3.4 on Jelly Bean 4.22/4.3,It can get into system，but on display...There are too many bugs and problems to deal.
navik said:
I can't open your URL .
Keeping rebooting back into recovery may show that you didn't mount your system,just mount boot.
Hope can help you!
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Try this, http://pastebin.com/N0qr2nCP
I have test kernel 3.4 on Jelly Bean 4.22/4.3,It can get into system，but on display...There are too many bugs and problems to deal.
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I'm sure it is. But seems we will have good graphic performance in JB roms only on 3.4 kernels(i'm sorry but now with 3.0 it works with microlags and microdelays)... I hope it will come.
ancifil said:
I'm sure it is. But seems we will have good graphic performance in JB roms only on 3.4 roms(i'm sorry but now with 3.0 it works with microlags and microdelays)... I hope it will come.
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Stupid LG, why they didn't release 4.1 930? It's unfair for nitro users
6783 said:
Stupid LG, why they didn't release 4.1 930? It's unfair for nitro users
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Especially considering they released it for its virtual twin the su640.
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nexwave-mat said:
Try this, http://pastebin.com/N0qr2nCP
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Your log didn't show any errors，I wonder the problem is cased by your flash updater，but，I just guess.... not very sure...
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6783 said:
Stupid LG, why they didn't release 4.1 930? It's unfair for nitro users
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It's not just LG's problem，It also depend on AT&T.
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Your log didn't show any errors，I wonder the problem is cased by your flash updater，but，I just guess.... not very sure...
Sent from my LG-SU640 using xda premium
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I'm pretty sure this line is the problem. Just can find the source of the problem.
Code:
[ 27.999572] init: critical process 'servicemanager' exited 4 times in 4 minutes; rebooting into recovery mode
Is it just my imagination, but are the only download links for the su640?
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I flashed the CM 10.2 ROM and so far so good, but I don't have the Quick Remote anymore. If someone has the APK I'd be really grateful (I searched the forum already but couldn't find it). Can I just install it with Easy Installer or do I have to push it to the system folder and rewrite permissions?
If its anything like the S4 or HTC One, you'll have to find a third party app...
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that's what I was afraid of. Any suggestions?
GTOgrrl1969 said:
that's what I was afraid of. Any suggestions?
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which model are you using? I know that you can flash quick remote on the e980. You can find the zip under the accessories folder in madmack's cm10.2 download directory.
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which model are you using? I know that you can flash quick remote on the e980. You can find the zip under the accessories folder in madmack's cm10.2 download directory.
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Nice!! Thanks!!
PS: Haven't tried it yet, but here's the link: http://downloads.codefi.re/madmack/GPRO/CM10_2/accessories
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which model are you using? I know that you can flash quick remote on the e980. You can find the zip under the accessories folder in madmack's cm10.2 download directory.
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I have the e980....I'm DL'ing the zip file you mentioned and I'm going to give it a shot.
Edit: It works great. Thanks for pointing it out to me! I decided to flash the CM 10.2 ROM to see if it would help with a lag/freezing issue I was experiencing, and so far, no lag.
GTOgrrl1969 said:
I have the e980....I'm DL'ing the zip file you mentioned and I'm going to give it a shot.
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Just finished installing and testing and it worked perfectly on my CM10.2 e980! Woot!!! :good::good::good::good::good:
inneyeseakay said:
Just finished installing and testing and it worked perfectly on my CM10.2 e980! Woot!!! :good::good::good::good::good:
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Will this work for the new LG G2?
Remote
inneyeseakay said:
Just finished installing and testing and it worked perfectly on my CM10.2 e980! Woot!!! :good::good::good::good::good:
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I cant get it to work i installed the zip and nothing happened i dont know what to do and suggestions
Frank56 said:
I cant get it to work i installed the zip and nothing happened i dont know what to do and suggestions
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did you flash in recovery?
wounder
can you tell me if u have the option to learn new remotes like the G2 Qremote app?
i wounder if you could flash the g2 Qremote to have this amazing feature....
I noticed the QRemote app was outdated, missing several manufacturers... so I just updated the cwm file with the files from the latest international firmware.
https://mega.co.nz/#!YkJyQKIY!bx9qCiv_7wpGt2Kt9tDR-A9DIqg7h2LbQTzEdrbIqLE
Working great!*
*Actually working not so great. Only got it to work once and then it magically failed to appear when installed to data/app (no icon in launcher) amd when moved to system\app the remote list comes up empty. Need some help on this
LG G2?
Isamu_Dyson said:
I noticed the QRemote app was outdated, missing several manufacturers... so I just updated the cwm file with the files from the latest international firmware.
Working great!
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Any chance to get this working on the G2 (D800)? I've tried flashing these on CM and other AOSP-based roms on the G2, and the app shows up in the app drawer, but unfortunately it doesn't work...
brasilguy said:
Any chance to get this working on the G2 (D800)? I've tried flashing these on CM and other AOSP-based roms on the G2, and the app shows up in the app drawer, but unfortunately it doesn't work...
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Beats me... i was only able to make this zip work on the official CM 10.2 rom... :-x Making the G Pro qremote work on the G2 would involve hacking for sure...
Isamu_Dyson said:
Beats me... i was only able to make this zip work on the official CM 10.2 rom... :-x Making the G Pro qremote work on the G2 would involve hacking for sure...
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I should re-state my initial comment ... I want to get the G2 QRemote working on CM 10.2 or other AOSP-based roms on the G2. Porting this specific remote would be a nightmare, I'm sure. Over in the G2 forums, people are saying that the QRemote can't be ported, but this thread shows that it can. I just need whoever did this for the Optimus G Pro to do it for the G2, using the G2's remote, not necessarily porting this one over
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can you tell me if u have the option to learn new remotes like the G2 Qremote app?
i wounder if you could flash the g2 Qremote to have this amazing feature....
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bump,
please i am still waiting for an answer..............
thanks
Isamu_Dyson said:
Beats me... i was only able to make this zip work on the official CM 10.2 rom... :-x Making the G Pro qremote work on the G2 would involve hacking for sure...
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I flashed this on CM 10.2 and I do not find the q remote app anywhere.
Any ideas?
Edit: Flashed the new app first and nothing happened. No QuickRemote app.
Flashed the old one, and the app is there and working, so I'm not sure whats broken about the new zip, but it's not flashing correctly.
donalgodon said:
I flashed this on CM 10.2 and I do not find the q remote app anywhere.
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That happened to me also. Forgot to mention, but I got it to work on the official CM 10.2 at the 1st try (i flashed the older zip first) but afterwards on other roms it stopped working. Noticed that if i moved the apks to system\app the qremote app would appear again but the list of remotes would come empty (?).
I really miss the latest qremote. I got a bunch of electronics that fail to feature on the original qremote zip... :/
does the Qremote APK works with the feature to Learn other Remotes?
,
mosesbd said:
does the Qremote APK works with the feature to Learn other Remotes?
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Check this for cm based firmware for learning functions
http://www43.zippyshare.com/v/86147127/file.html
Hopefully this will work for learning function.
Only for cm ROM.
Full Thanks to g2 forum
I saw in lg g2 forum cm11 rom based on stock kernel..cant we do the sam with our g3?? I think if it possible it might fix a lot of bugs
Akhayev said:
I saw in lg g2 forum cm11 rom based on stock kernel..cant we do the sam with our g3?? I think if it possible it might fix a lot of bugs
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You mean you saw a cm11 with a cm-stock kernel and they are already working on that
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You mean you saw a cm11 with a cm-stock kernel and they are already working on that
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No i saw a cm11 rom with lg stck kernel
Its a lot harder than you think. By the time you get that working right the bump website will have been up for months.
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Its a lot harder than you think. By the time you get that working right the bump website will have been up for months.
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Lool..is it that hard?? I thought it will be easy
what does "wondroing" mean?
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what does "wondroing" mean?
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Typing "wondering" in a haste without being bothered to check spelling prior to posting message.
Could someone please clearly explain how to install LG Quick Remote or any other stock app for that matter on a custom ROM running Lollipop.
I've browsed so many forums and people say different things and there's no coherency.
Please let us know how you did it, only if you have actually done it. Most LGQRemote.zip files don't work when flashed from recovery.
Regards
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Could someone please clearly explain how to install LG Quick Remote or any other stock app for that matter on a custom ROM running Lollipop.
I've browsed so many forums and people say different things and there's no coherency.
Please let us know how you did it, only if you have actually done it. Most LGQRemote.zip files don't work when flashed from recovery.
Regards
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Tried this many times my friend. Unless we get help from a more experienced developer it is not going to happen. Earlier this year I went nuts trying to figure this out. Never did manage to get it done unfortunately.
Could someone please clearly explain how to install LG Quick Remote or any other stock app for that matter on a custom ROM running Lollipop.
I've browsed so many forums and people say different things and there's no coherency.
Please let us know how you did it, only if you have actually done it. Most LGQRemote.zip files don't work when flashed from recovery.
gajindarpal singh said:
Could someone please clearly explain how to install LG Quick Remote or any other stock app for that matter on a custom ROM running Lollipop.
I've browsed so many forums and people say different things and there's no coherency.
Please let us know how you did it, only if you have actually done it. Most LGQRemote.zip files don't work when flashed from recovery.
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Every QRemote zip outthere for this phone is for Kitkat or Jellybean, and that's the main reason why it's not working on Lollipop. I don't know if someone got those from other QRemote supported devices which got LP update and tried, but last one I saw working properly was madmack's zip.
I could try to make a flashable LP zip as soon as my exams finish (in a 3-4 weeks) and I find fully working ROM for LP (in progress, my ISP is going nuts) I could build and maybe support, because right now, my E988 is on Kitkat since CM doesn't want to accept existing patch for modem, and available versions are too old and buggy.
Does it mean that the remote app on the F240 running stock lollipop does not work on custom lollipop ROMs?
I don't know before I try, I'll have to download a F240 LP KDZ and extract it...
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I don't know before I try, I'll have to download a F240 LP KDZ and extract it...
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Please doooo. And report back if it works.
rjmxtech said:
Please doooo. And report back if it works.
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downloading kdz right now, have to keep myself busy while Slim builds xD
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downloading kdz right now, have to keep myself busy while Slim builds xD
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Any progress?
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Any progress?
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Not much, managed to get app started somehow but it won't work, crashes no matter which option I select. I'll see what I can do, so far I've managed to find needed framework files... now to find the rest. First time porting from stock so may take some time...
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Not much, managed to get app started somehow but it won't work, crashes no matter which option I select. I'll see what I can do, so far I've managed to find needed framework files... now to find the rest. First time porting from stock so may take some time...
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Keep up the good work!!!!
I do hope you achieve ...
All users are waiting for you to have success !!! ... lol
yes please
Do you have some news???
Unfortunately, no. App starts; it can load device database on SELinux permissive but controller doesn't work and I can't find what's missing.
In lollipop LTE v6.5 is working. We need to ask the developer somehow but I thing he is Chinese [emoji14]
Sent from my LG-E980 using Tapatalk
Vamire said:
In lollipop LTE v6.5 is working. We need to ask the developer somehow but I thing he is Chinese [emoji14]
Sent from my LG-E980 using Tapatalk
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Isn't that one of those stock-based roms?
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Isn't that one of those stock-based roms?
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I really don't know but they say that have lg g4 apps...
Im really noob for developing so I don't know if we can extract it.
Vamire said:
I really don't know but they say that have lg g4 apps...
Im really noob for developing so I don't know if we can extract it.
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Yap, stock based rom.
So that means we can't get it?