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[Q] Standalone USB Hubs that provide full 500 mA

I have a quest of sorts that I have been undertaking for a few months now. I want to find a USB hub that will charge many (i.e. 4 to 7) devices at once.
Originally, I though I had solved my quest with the acquisition of a simple powered USB hub. I could charge my many devices at one time, or so I thought. The devices charged somewhat slowly, but I didn't really mind, since I mostly used the hub for overnight charging.
But recently, I obtained an original Motorola Droid device, and found that it refused to charge if I simply connected it to my hub. Strangely, on another hub (which I had connected to a host computer), it would charge, but on the standalone hub (i.e. no host computer), it would not. So, I began to research (and found two helpful discussions on why and if such a thing exists).
After some research, I realized that my hub was probably not providing 500mA of 5V charge to any of my devices. It took the Droid refusing the paltry 100mA current for me to understand this. The devices that had accepted charge could just charge on 100mA of current, and now it makes sense why they seemed to charge more slowly.
It seems that all of the USB hubs I have or had tried don't have the proper controlling logic to "authorize" a device to draw more than 100mA. So, my quest has taken a new wrinkle to become: find a USB hub that will charge many devices at 500mA without having to connect to a host device.
Has anyone found any of these?

not sure if this would be what you would want but I found a 4 port charger a month ago and love it!
Its a scosche Model # QUSBH
Supplies 2a over 4 ports so 500mah to each one

blober54 said:
Supplies 2a over 4 ports so 500mah to each one
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All of my USB four-port hubs rate their power supplies as 5V @ 2A, but then only supply the 500mA when a host device (computer) authorizes the connection (so they never give more than the 100mA base current without a host).
Thanks for the suggestion, though!

I'm not recommended scosche product doue to I had scosche USB charger and it exploded when I charger my Iaudio I7.

palswim said:
I have a quest of sorts that I have been undertaking for a few months now. I want to find a USB hub that will charge many (i.e. 4 to 7) devices at once.
Originally, I though I had solved my quest with the acquisition of a simple powered USB hub. I could charge my many devices at one time, or so I thought. The devices charged somewhat slowly, but I didn't really mind, since I mostly used the hub for overnight charging.
But recently, I obtained an original Motorola Droid device, and found that it refused to charge if I simply connected it to my hub. Strangely, on another hub (which I had connected to a host computer), it would charge, but on the standalone hub (i.e. no host computer), it would not. So, I began to research.
(I can't post links without ten posts. I will post some of my research after I reach the threshold.)
After some research, I realized that my hub was probably not providing 500mA of 5V charge to any of my devices. It took the Droid refusing the paltry 100mA current for me to understand this. The devices that had accepted charge could just charge on 100mA of current, and now it makes sense why they seemed to charge more slowly.
It seems that all of the USB hubs I have or had tried don't have the proper controlling logic to "authorize" a device to draw more than 100mA. So, my quest has taken a new wrinkle to become: find a USB hub that will charge many devices at 500mA without having to connect to a host device.
Has anyone found any of these?
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I'm wondering if you ever found a solution to your problem? I'm looking for a standalone charging station and it's quite a bit harder than I thought. Feel free to PM me if you found something or post here.

willowave said:
I'm wondering if you ever found a solution to your problem? I'm looking for a standalone charging station and it's quite a bit harder than I thought.
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I still haven't found this. I've been running a computer which connects to the USB hub more often as of late, but I am still searching for a solution.

Fast Charging USB Cable for Cars / laptop

Hey all,
The ONE gets too hot... Solved :good:
The ONE charges slowly... Solved :good:
My HTC ONE was charging very VERY slowly since I got it... And it was actually discharging slowly if plugged in and using navigation in the car..
Now, I don't have the original HTC car charger and its a stupid amount to pay for that...
I've used over a dozen of cables and chargers but none of them would charge properly...
Ordered this earlier this week and it got delivered today
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321159008835&ssPageName=ADME:L:eek:C:GB:3160
Looks decent, and I would highly recommend it for anyone having charging problems with universal USB chargers.
Just tested it, I fired up Waze (which I usually use), Mobile Data, GPS, Skype in background and anything that would run in the background using as much power as it can .... Streaming Music over Bluetooth.. Screen was ON all the time with MAX brightness
My ONE slowly (really slowly) went from 53% to 54% ..:laugh::laugh:
Regarding ROM etc (if it makes any difference) , I'm running Viper One with ElementalX Kernel. 384Mhz Min and 1674 Max. Undervolted to -50mV & Fastcharge ... plus an Air Vent mounted phone holder for cooling features .. The ONE gets too hot
I can finally use the ONE as a proper nav, without having to worry about switching the screen off every now and then...

Sounds good, and in what charger you use?

Yet again, I must explain that cables do not differ if they are similar quality wise. All certified cables should be 24+ AWG btw. Don't be fooled by things like "fast charging." It mostly depends on the charger you're using. (Unless of course, you bought a crappy cable). Also should add that a 4 pin vs a 5 pin cable also creates a difference in charging time.

Kraize said:
Yet again, I must explain that cables do not differ if they are similar quality wise. All certified cables should be 24+ AWG btw. Don't be fooled by things like "fast charging." It mostly depends on the charger you're using. (Unless of course, you bought a crappy cable). Also should add that a 4 pin vs a 5 pin cable also creates a difference in charging time.
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That cable shorts the data lines to trick the phone into thinking it is connecting to a compatible charger. Any charger that supply 5V and >=1A should be fine with that cable. I would NEVER use the cable on a computer as the phone will try to pull as much as if it was on a wall charger some where around 750mA - 1A.

rancor22 said:
That cable shorts the data lines to trick the phone into thinking it is connecting to a compatible charger. Any charger that supply 5V and >=1A should be fine with that cable. I would NEVER use the cable on a computer as the phone will try to pull as much as if it was on a wall charger some where around 750mA - 1A.
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Which in turn would probably fry all your usb ports.

Kraize said:
Which in turn would probably fry all your usb ports.
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Yep, might not fry a powered USB 3.0 port but don't try this.

Many people (inc me) do not know that there are 24 AWG cable, and would use a stupid standard micro usb cable in to charge the phone in vain ...
Mpro747 said:
Sounds good, and in what charger you use?
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A standard USB port mounted on Cig lighter socket. It does the job right now
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Which in turn would probably fry all your usb ports.
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Neelesh35 said:
Many people (inc me) do not know that there are 24 AWG cable, and would use a stupid standard micro usb cable in to charge the phone in vain ...
A standard USB port mounted on Cig lighter socket. It does the job right now
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you guys might wanna look at this sweet babe, you will know exactly how many hours to fully charge ur HTC One :silly:
http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter

hmm interesting, but if the 24awg cable has a potential of frying your usb port, guess what this one will do
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Neelesh35 said:
Many people (inc me) do not know that there are 24 AWG cable, and would use a stupid standard micro usb cable in to charge the phone in vain ...
A standard USB port mounted on Cig lighter socket. It does the job right now
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The 24AWG wire used in the cable does nothing for helping your phone charge faster, its the fact that the two data lines are shorted in the cable. This tells the device that it is connected to a dedicated charger, even if it is not, and that it can pull however much current it needs.

Why would you buy a cable for this? Get the right charger in the first place and you wouldn't have this issue. Actual proper phone chargers already short the data pins (in fact, I'm surprised you found one that doesn't). Now you have a cable that cannot be used for anything other than charging.
Also, to whoever said this would fry USB ports: no, it wouldn't. Even with shorted data pins, the host machine still won't put any more power out than it is specified to. In fact, this means that using this cable, connected to a computer, would result in it charging SLOWER than if you allowed the phone to negotiate with the computer for faster charging.

Vincent Law said:
Why would you buy a cable for this? Get the right charger in the first place and you wouldn't have this issue. Actual proper phone chargers already short the data pins (in fact, I'm surprised you found one that doesn't). Now you have a cable that cannot be used for anything other than charging.
Also, to whoever said this would fry USB ports: no, it wouldn't. Even with shorted data pins, the host machine still won't put any more power out than it is specified to. In fact, this means that using this cable, connected to a computer, would result in it charging SLOWER than if you allowed the phone to negotiate with the computer for faster charging.
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Actual computers don't do a good job of limiting current they assume the device will satay within USB spec.

rancor22 said:
Actual computers don't do a good job of limiting current they assume the device will satay within USB spec.
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That couldn't be further from the truth. Windows even keeps track of the actual loads (it'll tell you when your USB host reports it cannot provide more power). The host decides how much power to provide the device anyway, it's not up to the device. If the device asks for 50 amps, the PC isn't going to try and serve that up. That would be insane and dangerous.
What it WILL do is start with an initial very low current (like 20mA IIRC). The device has its USB client chip powered by this, and uses it to negotiate. The device will then request however much current it needs. However, USB 2.0 spec states that the maximum is 500mA. The device can request more, but it by no means may expect to receive it. The PC may respond and say that it will only serve the maximum. Often it will respond by saying it will provide as much as it is capable (for some laptops and such, this could be as low as 500-600mA). The device must then deal with what it is given (it can use less, but it CANNOT draw more). Note that host devices can actually provide as little as 100mA if available power is limited.
However, many PCs nowadays are designed for charging, and provide over a full amp. They will do so during negotiation. If you use a charge only cable, you're gambling that the PC will go into a high current (AKA "take as much as we can offer") mode. Not all will do so. Some will follow the actual spec, and force the device into a lower power (100mA max, IIRC) current state, leaving you with basically no charging capability.

Vincent Law said:
That couldn't be further from the truth. Windows even keeps track of the actual loads (it'll tell you when your USB host reports it cannot provide more power). The host decides how much power to provide the device anyway, it's not up to the device. If the device asks for 50 amps, the PC isn't going to try and serve that up. That would be insane and dangerous.
What it WILL do is start with an initial very low current (like 20mA IIRC). The device has its USB client chip powered by this, and uses it to negotiate. The device will then request however much current it needs. However, USB 2.0 spec states that the maximum is 500mA. The device can request more, but it by no means may expect to receive it. The PC may respond and say that it will only serve the maximum. Often it will respond by saying it will provide as much as it is capable (for some laptops and such, this could be as low as 500-600mA). The device must then deal with what it is given (it can use less, but it CANNOT draw more). Note that host devices can actually provide as little as 100mA if available power is limited.
However, many PCs nowadays are designed for charging, and provide over a full amp. They will do so during negotiation. If you use a charge only cable, you're gambling that the PC will go into a high current (AKA "take as much as we can offer") mode. Not all will do so. Some will follow the actual spec, and force the device into a lower power (100mA max, IIRC) current state, leaving you with basically no charging capability.
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Windows keeps a record of what devices have requested, not what they are currently drawing. When you use the cable you are bypassing all if this( the software/embedded enumeration and negotiation for power) and then you are just relying on the hardware current limits. In an inexpensive system and possible even expensive ones the hardware probably only as one current limit if it has one at all. Lets say the USB protection IC as a current limit of 1A. A device that is connected with the charging cable is just going to pull current as if its hooked up to a wall adapter for this example let just say the phone draws 900mA. The dangerous part about this is that the computer has no idea this is going on, if the device doesn't enumerate the computer will never know its drawing current unless it trips an overcurrent limit.

rancor22 said:
Windows keeps a record of what devices have requested, not what they are currently drawing. When you use the cable you are bypassing all if this( the software/embedded enumeration and negotiation for power) and then you are just relying on the hardware current limits. In an inexpensive system and possible even expensive ones the hardware probably only as one current limit if it has one at all. Lets say the USB protection IC as a current limit of 1A. A device that is connected with the charging cable is just going to pull current as if its hooked up to a wall adapter for this example let just say the phone draws 900mA. The dangerous part about this is that the computer has no idea this is going on, if the device doesn't enumerate the computer will never know its drawing current unless it trips an overcurrent limit.
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Your entire post runs on the assumption that the USB host, for some reason, would have no way of controlling its power output other than an overcurrent limiter. Not only is this NOT what the USB spec states, but it's also so hilariously dangerous that if it were true, you'd be hearing about it all the time. It'd mean you could create a device that instantly pulls maximum current from the system, frying any system without an adequate overcurrent limiter.

Vincent Law said:
Your entire post runs on the assumption that the USB host, for some reason, would have no way of controlling its power output other than an overcurrent limiter. Not only is this NOT what the USB spec states, but it's also so hilariously dangerous that if it were true, you'd be hearing about it all the time. It'd mean you could create a device that instantly pulls maximum current from the system, frying any system without an adequate overcurrent limiter.
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I am not disagreeing with you that hosts can control and meter power but it does that by assuming the end device will also follow usb spec and is listening to what it is saying. So yes what I am saying is that for a device that does not follow USB spec and does not enumerate the only current control it receives is a hardware current limit. I don't know the whole usb spec well I know battery charging specifications so if this is completely wrong can you point me to the part of the USB specifications where it says the host must limit current draw. In a perfect system the hardware current limit will change as the host specifies how much power the device is allowed to draw, but more likely the protection IC(s) are just there in the case of a short, esd, or a device that is supplying power to the host (reverse current).

Bought a HTC CC-C200 some time ago for my HTC Desire where it did a nice job. Now with the One I encounter the problem that it discharges when being used (navi, scanning, ...).
Is there any newer original car charging cable that I can use? I do not want any 3rd party china cables

bliblablub said:
Bought a HTC CC-C200 some time ago for my HTC Desire where it did a nice job. Now with the One I encounter the problem that it discharges when being used (navi, scanning, ...).
Is there any newer original car charging cable that I can use? I do not want any 3rd party china cables
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I just bought a RocketFish USB car charger and cable From BestBuy. It charges wicked fast, even when using navi and or streaming. I believe is is 10 watts and 2.1 amp output. That adapter will probably fix ya up, I used to have the same problem but not any more
Sent from my gimped not yet unlocked Verizon One

[Q] Optimal charging hardware for Note III

So the note III is the first smart phone to use USB 3.0 this raises some interesting questions. First of all I’m a neophyte with electrical “stuff (to use the technical term) so I apologize if some of this is easily answered (which would be great).
1. Since USB 3.0 can draw 5 Voltsdoes this mean that the current crop of car chargers won’t charge the Note III at full speed. All the car chargers I’ve seen are 2.1 Amps (some are dual port and claim 4.2 but that’s total, not in a single port). Does this mean that we’re locked to slower charging in the car?
2. For those of us with built in DC/AC inverters, would we be better served by using that plug and a wall USB charger? If so which one, my Note III will be shipping soon, so I’m assuming that 1000mA is still the maximum (I think USB 3.0 supports 900mA).
3. Will the note III charge slower using a USB 2.0 cable even with the best inverter/car adapter
4. Do we need a “charge only” cable (like http://www.amazon.com/Specialised-Micro-USB-Cable-Charging/dp/B0088HTYUE ) to achieve the best charging speed ?
5. In the event we can't get an optimal charger will the note III charge faster with a 2.0 charge only cable vs a standard USB 2.0 (I assume so but better to ask).

The move to USB 3.0 only affects charge rates connected to a PC. 2.x is limited to 500mA while 3.x is 900mA I think. Both standards use 5V, but 2A AC chargers often run a bit higher at 5.3V. The chargers don't directly adhere to either USB spec and basically trigger fast charge the same as before, by shorting out or putting a fixed resistance between the data pins. My old HP TouchPad USB 5.3V/2A charger with 2.0 cord charges my Note 3 just as fast as the Samsung 5.3V/2A adapter with USB 3.0 cord does. If you look closely, you'll notice that the "USB 3.0" Samsung charger doesn't actually have the extra 3.0 pins, it uses a 2.0 port. That's because for pure charging devices the standard doesn't matter, only the current and voltage rating and that it shorts the data pins.
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CalcProgrammer1 said:
The move to USB 3.0 only affects charge rates connected to a PC. 2.x is limited to 500mA while 3.x is 900mA I think. Both standards use 5V, but 2A AC chargers often run a bit higher at 5.3V. The chargers don't directly adhere to either USB spec and basically trigger fast charge the same as before, by shorting out or putting a fixed resistance between the data pins. My old HP TouchPad USB 5.3V/2A charger with 2.0 cord charges my Note 3 just as fast as the Samsung 5.3V/2A adapter with USB 3.0 cord does. If you look closely, you'll notice that the "USB 3.0" Samsung charger doesn't actually have the extra 3.0 pins, it uses a 2.0 port. That's because for pure charging devices the standard doesn't matter, only the current and voltage rating and that it shorts the data pins.
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Thanks for the response.
So I should use a "charge only" cable, correct?

bladehawk said:
Thanks for the response.
So I should use a "charge only" cable, correct?
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If you want maximum charging out of a PC, yeah, otherwise it really doesn't matter. Also, if you use a fast charge kernel with fast charge enabled, it does the same thing by forcing the charger detection in software rather than in hardware. That said, you're still at the mercy of your USB port. USB 2.0 ports on PC's are only rated for 500mA usually and while you can overdraw from most without issue, you run the risk of overloading and at least triggering a software shutdown of the port (at worst, burning up the motherboard's power regulator for the USB 5V rail).
If you're plugging a cable into an AC adapter, it literally means nothing. All a "charge only" cable is is a USB A to micro B cable with the two data pins on the micro B side shorted together. Only the GND and +5V lines are wired through to the USB A connector which makes it only draw power, not data, and the shorting of the data pins makes it detect as an AC charger. Since the AC adapters short the data pins already, both cables look the same on the phone end when connected to an AC adapter. Same goes for a car adapter or external battery pack.
Technically, USB 2.0 and earlier, maybe 3.0 as well, are only supposed to let you draw 100mA. Devices must enumerate themselves to the controller and request the power limit be increased to 500mA. Many motherboards are pretty lenient about this so you can usually get away with plugging in a 500mA (or higher) load without telling the PC first but be aware it's breaking the specification and could be unsupported.

Some PC/laptop are BC 1.1 compatible. Meaning they can charge higher than the 450ma they usually do. I think it allows for up to 1.5a charging but don't quote me on that I forgot. I have a USB 2.0 hub that can use a wall charger and allows one device on any of the 4 ports (automatic sensing) to charge higher than usb2.0 specs. There are some hubs that allow all ports to do this. I am waiting for plufable technologies to update their 3.0 hub to do this.
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It is the normal case that the speed will be much slower when you charge a device such as your Note3 via USB than via DC Power Supply. USB is mainly designed for the communication. The standard charging current of many mobile phones is 1 A or higher. But the highest output current of USB cable is only 0.5 A which could not reach the source demand of a phone. Except for this, we do not recommend charging via USB because the unstable current output can easily reduce the battery life of your Note 3.

Handlewd said:
Except for this, we do not recommend charging via USB because the unstable current output can easily reduce the battery life of your Note 3.
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Now that's something I never thought about. I would always plug my old phone into my computer when I got to work just to keep it topped off. Though lately, I'm plugging into a powered Belkin hub, so hopefully the current is more stable.
Now that I've got a new phone, I may rethink my charging strategy.

[ALERT] TYPE-C PORT and TWO accessories FRIED

So I was charging my phone like usual. And I was slightly aware that there was a compatibility issue between QC 3.0 and Type-C.
HOWEVER, tonight at about 12amish GMT. I kept smelling a burning smell... Which I thought it was my cat. but then when I decided to charge my phone using my Lumia 950 XL charger. I discovered the port had been burnt, and the cape and phone where burning ****ing hot! I felt the type-c plug from the charge against my top-lip and I got burnt...
I'm writing this a bit panic-y as I want everyone to just know TO BE CAREFUL. I'm not sure what exactly caused this as I have looked after the phone as if its my baby. Always case and a screen protector. I have a feeling this is down to compatibility!?
Anyone with similar issues, suggestions or such?
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Intraducinmista said:
So I was charging my phone like usual. And I was slightly aware that there was a compatibility issue between QC 3.0 and Type-C.
HOWEVER, tonight at about 12amish GMT. I kept smelling a burning smell... Which I thought it was my cat. but then when I decided to charge my phone using my Lumia 950 XL charger. I discovered the port had been burnt, and the cape and phone where burning ****ing hot! I felt the type-c plug from the charge against my top-lip and I got burnt...
I'm writing this a bit panic-y as I want everyone to just know TO BE CAREFUL. I'm not sure what exactly caused this as I have looked after the phone as if its my baby. Always case and a screen protector. I have a feeling this is down to compatibility!?
Anyone with similar issues, suggestions or such?
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The Lumia is c to c right? If so, yeah there were lots of reported issues where people used various c to c cables with a c brick (most were pixel or nexus chargers that I saw) that had the same issues you did. Think it ended up being that the 10 doesn't have the right safe checks in place to stop charging at 100%, and it just keeps trying to push 3 amps even when fully charged (could be wrong about that though)

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The Lumia is c to c right? If so, yeah there were lots of reported issues where people used various c to c cables with a c brick (most were pixel or nexus chargers that I saw) that had the same issues you did. Think it ended up being that the 10 doesn't have the right safe checks in place to stop charging at 100%, and it just keeps trying to push 3 amps even when fully charged (could be wrong about that though)
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mmm.. the phone was charging from almost nothing... I think I was charging it from about 20% using a zuk z1 cable plugged into my computer that was connected to a usb 3.0 port. the cable is 3.0 standard and the phone is 3.1 if I rememeber

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guyverzero said:
Think it ended up being that the 10 doesn't have the right safe checks in place to stop charging at 100%, and it just keeps trying to push 3 amps even when fully charged (could be wrong about that though)
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You don't Push Amps, you pull em, you Push Voltage.
The phone decides how much amps it wants to draw.
More likely missing cables inside the cable or bad quality Connector.
Was it an original Microsoft Cable from the 950 or bought afterwards?
P.S can't see the pictures. Just my bad Internet?

Haldi4803 said:
You don't Push Amps, you pull em, you Push Voltage.
The phone decides how much amps it wants to draw.
More likely missing cables inside the cable or bad quality Connector.
Was it an original Microsoft Cable from the 950 or bought afterwards?
P.S can't see the pictures. Just my bad Internet?
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I cant see the photos either

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I cant see the photos either
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doesn't appear the image tag correctly grabbed the microsoft drive images so i deleted the image format. Downside is you can't see them inline.. but the upside is you can click them to see em..

Read here...
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UPDATE: ok so, I've taken it back to the place I brought it from and they sent it to the repair centre (carphone warehouse). They've turned round and said tis water damage but I disagree as I do not like to keep my gadgets in places that are potential for issues. Will be taking it up with the shop. failing that, Trading Standards.
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME; does water corrosion look similar to that of corrosion caused by excessive current or connection shorting?

I had a ps4 controller do the same thing. it was cause by the cable was not 100% plugged into the controller port. it was still able to charge a bit but after awhile I noticed a burning smell... same results

Intraducinmista said:
UPDATE: ok so, I've taken it back to the place I brought it from and they sent it to the repair centre (carphone warehouse). They've turned round and said tis water damage but I disagree as I do not like to keep my gadgets in places that are potential for issues. Will be taking it up with the shop. failing that, Trading Standards.
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME; does water corrosion look similar to that of corrosion caused by excessive current or connection shorting?
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I would be looking for blue oxidation if it was water damage.
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dottat said:
I would be looking for blue oxidation if it was water damage.
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By any chance green oxidation would indicate electrical corrosion from shorting of the contacts?

QC3.0 cannot exists as TypeC output, also the standard is not supported by USB consortium which developed USB Power Delivery instead.
Benson Leung warned people, that type c to type c charging should be avoided.
Even HTC10 does not follow the official usb specification and uses QC so best any user can do, i using legacy USB type A to type c cable and using charger with USB A output port. Also all cables must have 56k ohm resistor, cheap one come with 11k resistor and could damage power charger or the device. Check Bensons google+, he even linked to Tronsmart chargers which were out of specification and should be avoided.

cavist said:
QC3.0 cannot exists as TypeC output, also the standard is not supported by USB consortium which developed USB Power Delivery instead.
Benson Leung warned people, that type c to type c charging should be avoided.
Even HTC10 does not follow the official usb specification and uses QC so best any user can do, i using legacy USB type A to type c cable and using charger with USB A output port. Also all cables must have 56k ohm resistor, cheap one come with 11k resistor and could damage power charger or the device. Check Bensons google+, he even linked to Tronsmart chargers which were out of specification and should be avoided.
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Yeh, I became aware of this when the QC3.0 was released. Though, my assumption was because I'm connecting between usb type-c to the phones type-c it wouldn't charge off the QC3.0 standard.
Initially, I was using the Nokia type-C charger which came with my Lumia 950XL. It charges at 15 Watts (5V, 3.0A). I had used this the majority of the time and hadn't gone wrong. Sometimes I'd use a portable battery charge which charged at a generic 5V 2A AND a Samsung nexus 10 charger which was a usb female and charged a the same rate.
I would've assumed (also judging from the new releases by QUALCOMM) that QC3.0 phones would either charge of USB standard OR take advantage of QC. I've never used type-c to type-c charging only because I never had the capability. There is a slider in the settings menu to use USB3.1 standard but again, never used it. always done this through a usb3.0 to usb type-c cable.

HTC10 charges normaly from any standard legacy USB port like your old HTC M7 usb wall charger or notebook usb ports. QC3.0 uses data lines in usb cable to provide power and this method is not approved by the USB consortium, thats why you can not also communicate with your phone in QC3.0 mode, because there is no free lines for data left. You can either fast charge, or switch to standard usb mode and transfer files without QC3.0.
USB TypeC standard forbids strictly manouvers over the cable like QC does. For this, the newest Chromebooks and Nexus uses approved USB Power Delivery.
The "problem" was, that Qualcomm is also part of research and development of USB Power Delivery but yet, they in the same time were developing QC3.0. Was it for pure marketing purpose or to fill the gap between USB PD going live, we can not tell.
The only way now to end this confusion is to wait for Qualcomm to switch for USB PD as a successor of QC3.0 because there is really no point of two competing charging standards which one is spec certified and the other is not.

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HTC10 charges normaly from any standard legacy USB port like your old HTC M7 usb wall charger or notebook usb ports. QC3.0 uses data lines in usb cable to provide power and this method is not approved by the USB consortium, thats why you can not also communicate with your phone in QC3.0 mode, because there is no free lines for data left. You can either fast charge, or switch to standard usb mode and transfer files without QC3.0.
USB TypeC standard forbids strictly manouvers over the cable like QC does. For this, the newest Chromebooks and Nexus uses approved USB Power Delivery.
The "problem" was, that Qualcomm is also part of research and development of USB Power Delivery but yet, they in the same time were developing QC3.0. Was it for pure marketing purpose or to fill the gap between USB PD going live, we can not tell.
The only way now to end this confusion is to wait for Qualcomm to switch for USB PD as a successor of QC3.0 because there is really no point of two competing charging standards which one is spec certified and the other is not.
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so would this mean I will need to set my phone to file transfer mode if I want to charge from USB?
Also, for reference, is there a way to disable quick charge 3.0 (which I assume may be present in the build.prop file OR am I thinking more noob like)

Intraducinmista said:
so would this mean I will need to set my phone to file transfer mode if I want to charge from USB?
Also, for reference, is there a way to disable quick charge 3.0 (which I assume may be present in the build.prop file OR am I thinking more noob like)
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No, you must understand how usb and QC3 works. I will try to explain it as simply as I can.
Legacy USB have 4 cables inside, two for data transfer, one for curent and one for ground.
If you plug your phone to the usb in notebook, you can charge and transfer data in the same time.
What QC3.0 does, it is using the data paths for providing additional power, so when you plug it to your QC3 charger, it uses all the data routes/cables in USB only for additional and faster charging, so the data connection is blocked in this mode.

Ok, just came back from Carphone Warehouse. It looks as if the phone has corroded more during the time I've given it to them and the time its taken for it too come back.
The colour of the corrosion was of a greenish hue.

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No, you must understand how usb and QC3 works. I will try to explain it as simply as I can.
Legacy USB have 4 cables inside, two for data transfer, one for curent and one for ground.
If you plug your phone to the usb in notebook, you can charge and transfer data in the same time.
What QC3.0 does, it is using the data paths for providing additional power, so when you plug it to your QC3 charger, it uses all the data routes/cables in USB only for additional and faster charging, so the data connection is blocked in this mode.
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I'm awar eof this, but my question is if it can be disabled on the phone or not.

Never heard of disabling QC. I do not think that HTC will provide any tool to disable built in chipset feature.

What is Superfast Charging actually?

So what is actually superfast charging? Is it just Samsung's term for USB-PD? Does our phone support USB-PD? I'm still relatively new to this charging protocol.. What's PDO and PPS?

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This "Superfast Charging" is very similar to Qualcomm's Quick Charge technology but is somewhat more proprietary. Remember when Samsung launched 15W fast charging with the Galaxy S6? This is basically the same kind of thing, except instead of being only 15W, this is 25W. For comparison, a regular laptop charger from the last decade or so can support anywhere from 40W to 120W(Possibly more). Apple's newest MacBook Pro comes with a 96W charger. It supports USB PD (power delivery). However, USB PD has a very specific standard and is only supported over USB C cables, and has to be 60W or more. If you were to plug a USB PD cable into a device which only supports up to 25W, then the device will only draw up to 25W. The reason laptops and some devices can charge faster than others is because of the chemistry and thermal management they use. Remember, a hot Lithium Ion or Polymer battery is a very bad thing, and the faster a battery charges, the more heat it produces because of internal resistance. Though you may hear about something like Wh (watt-hours), this is very different to W (watts), since Wh is a unit to measure how much energy a cell can store, while W are generally used to measure HOW FAST a cell can charge. PPS is an acronym for Programmable Power Supply, this basically means that the power supply (or charger) is able to change the amount of current it supplies, so that it doesn't fry the circuitry of the device if it cant handle it. PDO is an acronym for Power Data Object. GSMArena has a good article about this.here
I hope I answered your question, oh and sorry I got carried away with the length , I find these kinds of thing quite interesting!

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Hello
This "Superfast Charging" is very similar to Qualcomm's Quick Charge technology but is somewhat more proprietary. Remember when Samsung launched 15W fast charging with the Galaxy S6? This is basically the same kind of thing, except instead of being only 15W, this is 25W. For comparison, a regular laptop charger from the last decade or so can support anywhere from 40W to 120W(Possibly more). Apple's newest MacBook Pro comes with a 96W charger. It supports USB PD (power delivery). However, USB PD has a very specific standard and is only supported over USB C cables, and has to be 60W or more. If you were to plug a USB PD cable into a device which only supports up to 25W, then the device will only draw up to 25W. The reason laptops and some devices can charge faster than others is because of the chemistry and thermal management they use. Remember, a hot Lithium Ion or Polymer battery is a very bad thing, and the faster a battery charges, the more heat it produces because of internal resistance. Though you may hear about something like Wh (watt-hours), this is very different to W (watts), since Wh is a unit to measure how much energy a cell can store, while W are generally used to measure HOW FAST a cell can charge. PPS is an acronym for Programmable Power Supply, this basically means that the power supply (or charger) is able to change the amount of current it supplies, so that it doesn't fry the circuitry of the device if it cant handle it. PDO is an acronym for Power Data Object. GSMArena has a good article about this.here
I hope I answered your question, oh and sorry I got carried away with the length , I find these kinds of thing quite interesting!
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Thank you for the detailed explanation, now for my real question : can you plug a USB hub with multiple USB-A ports and a USB-C port and charge to this device through said port using any charger?

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However, USB PD has a very specific standard and is only supported over USB C cables, and has to be 60W or more.
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No, that's not true. USB-PD is flexible in it's power delivery and was designed to be one standard for all usb devices.,

GBry said:
Thank you for the detailed explanation, now for my real question : can you plug a USB hub with multiple USB-A ports and a USB-C port and charge to this device through said port using any charger?
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I tried and apparently it is possible. But the charging would be standard charging.

antxn_7703 said:
...and sorry I got carried away with the length , I find these kinds of thing quite interesting!
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Please get carried away some more! I love this kinda great info sharing, and it's the reason xda exists.
Thanks

James.Miller said:
No, that's not true. USB-PD is flexible in it's power delivery and was designed to be one standard for all usb devices.,
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Apologies for that, I think I got messed up with another fact I read up somewhere?
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GBry said:
Thank you for the detailed explanation, now for my real question : can you plug a USB hub with multiple USB-A ports and a USB-C port and charge to this device through said port using any charger?
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This will mostly depend on the device itself, as well as the hub you may be using. This is because we are not certain what the manufacturer intended the product for. If you have a hub like the one you described, give it a go. It should work but if it doesn't, the worst that can happen is it doesn't do anything. No biggie!
Oh and also, just make sure that the charger you'll use is powerful enough, just to make sure that your host device will actually charge at a reasonable speed.