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[Q]How is this phone?

So I'm getting a new phone. Right now I have a Cliq 2, but I'm getting a new one in the next week.
Right now I'm trying to decide between this, the G2x, or the MT4GS.
I'm not trying to get you guys to tell me why I should get this phone over the others, I'd just like to know what this phone is like. What are the ups? The downs? How's the phones radio? Custom ROMs? Battery life? And anything else you feel might be good to know before I make a decision.
Thanks!
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I like the screen size, battery is good for me, gets me through my 14hr day on one charge with the screen use between 3:30-4 hrs. The radio is great, i get good speeds and great audio quality on the phone. The ROM choices aren't great YET, but Juggernaut is perfect for me and as stable as can be with many features and tweaks.
some phones have the screen flaws, but its hardly noticeable unless you look for it. I would definitely recommend over the G2X, my previous phone, which I did not like. The MT4G slide my lady has and its a nice QWERTY phone, but the screen is too small for my liking. Also I find the battery better on this than my G2X fyi. You won't be upset with this phone, of that I am sure.
There is enough hate in the world. Why can't we all get along here ...?

Just came from g2 with desire z hboot and rcmix3d 4.0...
Love the phone. Development is slow for phone. But phone is decent. Screen has bugs but overall nice phone great preformance with beastmod 2 4.0_

Large Screen, Fast, Great Battery

best phone i have ever owned!!! hands down, buy it now

Yea i had the g2x good phone but the gs2 blows it out of the water with everything.....mt4gs isnt in this category really as it is just a laggy beast (my 8yr old had one) anyways the screen is beautiful, call quality is awesome, rom development is getting there hopefully miui soon and we have cm. Audio quality=loudest phone i ever owned

this phone is exceptional in every way except development. our development page is death

Just buy it.

Alright cool. The only thing that's holding me back is the price tag now.
Also, how do you guys know you'll be getting more ROMs?
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theholyfork said:
Also, how do you guys know you'll be getting more ROMs?
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There is already an alpha build of CM7 available and CM9 is rumored to be in development. Once there is a stable CM7 build MIUI and other ROMs using a CM base should follow.
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Definitely take out the MT4GS. G2x is a beasty phone...but the SGS2 is just something else. Awesome performance with awesome battery life.

babymatteo said:
Definitely take out the MT4GS. G2x is a beasty phone...but the SGS2 is just something else. Awesome performance with awesome battery life.
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Yeah, I haven't heard much about the MT4GS. The only thing that has it still in my mind is the keyboard. I love having the keyboard on my Cliq2, but I'm willing to sacrifice it if I can get a great phone.
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theholyfork said:
Alright cool. The only thing that's holding me back is the price tag now.
Also, how do you guys know you'll be getting more ROMs?
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Go to Target. $129 with no rebates.
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Some of you are saying the dev here are slow which I agree to. But have you guys gone over to some of the other phones' dev threads? Look at the Amaze...LOL

I'm just curious do you people know how long it takes to compile and check roms for bugs? I don' think so. Making sure the code is correct if you changed anything.If their is one wrong line of code it code affect all the performance in a rom or kernel which could take minutes to hours to fix.. There will be no aosp roms until the cm team does it unless someone wants to do all the work themselves. Which by the way we have official support from the cm team. There are tons of developers outside which probably have tons of roms and kernels which are never released to the public because they don't want their work to be stolen or they simply don't want to share their work.
Doing things from scratch is a lot harder than porting. All the other galaxy s2 devices have mainly ports since they are nearly identical. The ports came from the official galaxy s2 which those people had to do things from scratch. Making roms is extremely time consuming these developers have other devices they work on, jobs , and family. They are not getting paid for their services to deliver roms. Just for you to flash and then complain about bad battery life. Which is most of the time the users fault. I think we should be more Appreciative that we actually have developers willing to share their work with us.

I like this phone. It makes phone calls and allows me to send texts.
I bet you'll enjoy it as well.

sn0warmy said:
I like this phone. It makes phone calls and allows me to send texts.
I bet you'll enjoy it as well.
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This answer made me smile. Thanks .... If you have some cash and you want to get something good get Galaxy Nexus. If you want to upgrade just go for SGSII it's nice I like it.

MT4GS: just no. The advantage of the g2x is OOB stock, and full cm support, plus wifi calling. It's a really awesome phone, and I would recommend it. GS2 is a really awesome phone but doesn't have full cm support yet.
TL;DR
MT4GS do not buy
G2X buy on a budget, or with no plans of rooting/romming
GS2 buy for the f***ing big screen, or the processor.
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GBGamer said:
MT4GS: just no. The advantage of the g2x is OOB stock, and full cm support, plus wifi calling. It's a really awesome phone, and I would recommend it. GS2 is a really awesome phone but doesn't have full cm support yet.
TL;DR
MT4GS do not buy
G2X buy on a budget, or with no plans of rooting/romming
GS2 buy for the f***ing big screen, or the processor.
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G2x isn't stock, it's still LG's overlay, just themed to look like stock.
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GBGamer said:
MT4GS: just no. The advantage of the g2x is OOB stock, and full cm support, plus wifi calling. It's a really awesome phone, and I would recommend it. GS2 is a really awesome phone but doesn't have full cm support yet.
TL;DR
MT4GS do not buy
G2X buy on a budget, or with no plans of rooting/romming
GS2 buy for the f***ing big screen, or the processor.
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Alright. Why do you say not to buy the g2x though if I have no plans of rooting or romming? From what I've seen on its forums, it has tons of rom's and a few kernals.
And from what everyone has said this phone will soon have tons of rom's, though nobody knows for real if that's true or not
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Did the leak make anyone decide on getting the Nexus?

So playing around with the leak the past day and half has made me decide that I'll be getting the Nexus when it comes out, or waiting for another ICS device released with it out the box.
It was way to Gingerbread feeling for me. It didn't feel new to me. Even with the ICS launcher instead of the TW one. I know it isn't a final release, but this is basically what we are going to see.
I also know the devs do an awesome job for this phone, but I don't know if they are going to fix this up good enough for me not to just jump on what ICS was meant to be.
I understand why Samsung did it this way, but huge disappointment.

You do realize that someone, here in our very own forum, is working on putting aosp on our phone, right? Which means it will be _exactly_ what ics was meant to be.

tejasrichard said:
You do realize that someone, here in our very own forum, is working on putting aosp on our phone, right? Which means it will be _exactly_ what ics was meant to be.
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I realize that, but we still don't have an AOSP GB that works perfectly......
Like I said I love the devs....but idk I'll wait and see if they get it done.

Go get the Nexus, enjoy!

I might be a minority in thought, but I actually am not impressed with ASOP, for some reason, it just feels a little half baked. Back in the day, I flashed an ASOP rom on my original Epic and EVO, and let a normal user try it for a day. They looked so lost compared to their iPhone.
Not wanting to make this into a pissing match, but I see the appeal of overlays such as TouchWiz or HTC Sense. From a customer experience perspective, the overlay is what sells the device, not the version of Android. The users of this board, and similar forums, make up a small percentage of actual buyers.

gpgorbosjr said:
Even with the ICS launcher instead of the TW one. I know it isn't a final release, but this is basically what we are going to see.
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does not compute. ICS launcher on our phone will be the same as the ICS launcher on the Nexus....

DevalB said:
I might be a minority in thought, but I actually am not impressed with ASOP, for some reason, it just feels a little half baked. Back in the day, I flashed an ASOP rom on my original Epic and EVO, and let a normal user try it for a day. They looked so lost compared to their iPhone.
Not wanting to make this into a pissing match, but I see the appeal of overlays such as TouchWiz or HTC Sense. From a customer experience perspective, the overlay is what sells the device, not the version of Android. The users of this board, and similar forums, make up a small percentage of actual buyers.
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It is AOSP. And a normal user is an iPhone user? This statement is just full of not adding up, huh?
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Nothing wrong with it... Its ics power with the colorfull look and feel of gb... Its a phone patna not a lexus!
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Galaxy !?!?!
Pshhhh
iPhone is where it's at

cnstarz said:
does not compute. ICS launcher on our phone will be the same as the ICS launcher on the Nexus....
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If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
Also, I'm wondering if the widgets function differently on a normal ICS install....for example adding a contact to the home screen. On the preview it shows that what they text you comes up on the home screen, but in actual usage of it only their name comes up and never switches from that..

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If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
Also, I'm wondering if the widgets function differently on a normal ICS install....for example adding a contact to the home screen. On the preview it shows that what they text you comes up on the home screen, but in actual usage of it only their name comes up and never switches from that..
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that's because we only have a leaked beta version...

cnstarz said:
that's because we only have a leaked beta version...
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I'm not convinced, but we will see......
Are the new ICS widgets available using the TW Launcher? I am currently restoring EL29 and can't check. I thought they didn't when I was using it but am not sure.
I'm not totally convinced Samsung intends on including some of the features like resizing widgets, but I guess I'll have to wait and find out...

Samsung will try o deliver as much of a user-friendly experience as they can.
Remember that Google put a lot of restrictions on OEM skins with ICS. You aren't going to get the heavy skinning on ICS like you did with GB. They did this because they want ICS to look like ICS, not TouchWiz, MotoBlur, or Sense. That's why you have the option to revert to the ICS launcher. If you want AOSP experience, simply stick with Calkulin's leaked version and run ICS launcher until Cyanogen comes out with CM9.
But then again, I don't make six figures and have $600+ to blow on a Nexus, so.

dude
I've had the ics on my nexus and also on my vibrant but ONCE again the potential of this device overshadows any type of os for me and for most .. idk I just find myself actually using the browser ..phone ... apps..watching movies more than the little things a lot of the people talk about getting a nexus s for.... I say have fun I'm about the go not the show. Just like my cars

azyouthinkeyeiz said:
It is AOSP. And a normal user is an iPhone user? This statement is just full of not adding up, huh?
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Yeah that's what happens when you think faster than you type.
What I was trying to say is that when you compare ICS as a build and UI experience, it is catching up, but there is a reason why overlays such as Sense and TouchWiz exist, as they really improve the experience for that common Android user. I've used the Nexus, and I still go back to the Epic Touch, just feels better in my opinion.

iSaint said:
Galaxy !?!?!
Pshhhh
iPhone is where it's at
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Pffft yeah right! It's all about the galaxy nexus
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Tripsyk said:
Samsung will try o deliver as much of a user-friendly experience as they can.
Remember that Google put a lot of restrictions on OEM skins with ICS. You aren't going to get the heavy skinning on ICS like you did with GB. They did this because they want ICS to look like ICS, not TouchWiz, MotoBlur, or Sense. That's why you have the option to revert to the ICS launcher. If you want AOSP experience, simply stick with Calkulin's leaked version and run ICS launcher until Cyanogen comes out with CM9.
But then again, I don't make six figures and have $600+ to blow on a Nexus, so.
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Neither do I, but I didn't use my upgrade on my E4GT.....I used a combination of my old phones and some video games in a Craigslist trade. So I still have an upgrade for when the Nexus comes out, but I was hoping to keep the E4GT and wait on the upgrade if ICS impressed me enough on it.

gpgorbosjr said:
If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
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I am running NOVA right now and I am able to resize widgets, there is an option in NOVA settings. i am not sure about AOSP launcher but you can do it with NOVA.

durhamite said:
I am running NOVA right now and I am able to resize widgets, there is an option in NOVA settings. i am not sure about AOSP launcher but you can do it with NOVA.
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I'll check it out when one of the devs get a smoother ICS rom up and running.
I actually went back to Blazer for now because the phone ran a little bit sluggish compared to GB and sometimes my notifications dont work....if I turned system sounds off it would stop my text notifications....and the vibration doesn't work unless the phone is on vibrate.......both things I understand are from it being a leak.

I applaud the dev's for putting up with so much whining. It's a beta build leak and the aosp is an alpha build. If dev dont release a beta build people whine saying it takes to long. When they give this forum whatever they have finished so far... more whining about bugs and stuff not working... -_- .

[Q] wtf happen to cm7 ,and y are we jumping to cm9

hello readers i was just wondering why people are jumping to cm9(ics) and we don't have a fully working cm7(g bread)

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hello readers i was just wondering why people are jumping to cm9(ics) and we don't have a fully working cm7(g bread)
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This was actually cyanogenmods decision. They decided to skip cm7 for the snapdragon gs2's (basically ours) and just jump to CM9. Were just waiting for source and an ICS leak so we can get drivers to run it. CM7 is good enough as a DD if you really wanted to use it.

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i think thats bullshi, that they would do that so dumb y skip on it i dont think we are getting it ics till like august
my 2 cents

don728871 said:
i think thats bullshi, that they would do that so dumb y skip on it i dont think we are getting it ics till like august
my 2 cents
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Because I think they want to focus on the latest OS for our phones, then to work on an older one.
Also, rumors around the forums are that there might be ICS by the end of the month.
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don728871 said:
i think thats bullshi, that they would do that so dumb y skip on it i dont think we are getting it ics till like august
my 2 cents
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Try not to think about it, youll just want a new phone more and more, or an old one, which gets Alphas while we get nothing.

Use the search function next time. At least 20 of these threads. And Im sure we will all forget about cm7 when we get cm9.
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Personally, i hate that they decided to skip cm7. I have so many apps so i hate the ics app drawer, i like the widgets, but those can be downloaded, and there are just too many issues for me with ICS. I was really hoping for a stock GB rom instead of Dewizzed, which is kind-of laggy. Guess im stuck with it until after cm9 and probably for another few months while someone else tries to port cm7.

Tbh I dont care how the ****ing thing looks you can always change that ,but I want a good working cm7 like 50% lighter mb wize then most roms
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It's understandable you all want CM7, but there's no point in wasting time when they SHOULD be working on an ICS based AOSP ROM instead (CM9). It doesn't make sense from their perspective to work on an obsolete OS for a brand new phone. They'd much rather focus on CM9 for a variety of phones in the meantime of waiting for an ICS release/leak of our S2.
I too am a fan of CM7, as it was my daily driver for my Vibrant...but it doesn't make sense to work on an older version of Android on a new phone when old phones are getting the newest OS.

kkg720 said:
Personally, i hate that they decided to skip cm7. I have so many apps so i hate the ics app drawer, i like the widgets, but those can be downloaded, and there are just too many issues for me with ICS. I was really hoping for a stock GB rom instead of Dewizzed, which is kind-of laggy. Guess im stuck with it until after cm9 and probably for another few months while someone else tries to port cm7.
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Have you tried Juggernaut 5.0? I've been running the CM7 alpha since I got this phone and randomly decided to make the switch the other day. I pretty much like everything about it better. Colors look better, no lag - even feels a bit smoother IMO. You might lose a bit of the customization, but there are so many apps out there these days that will give you any of those things it doesn't matter.

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As everyone's stated, I think it was all about timing. Our phone, and the skyrocket were released really late in the GB game. ICS will come before too long. I remember the wait for GB years ago, now it's the same thing all over again!

Is ICS really that good?

I don't know :/ Initially everything I read about it suggested that it used some form of hardware acceleration to make phones run much smoother. However, after seeing many speed tests between the Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus (both using TI OMAP4 chips, razr has GB and GN uses ICS) the Razr smokes the Nexus in every aspect. And I understand there are many other factors involved that could play into that, but in general it seems people's experiences with ICS point to it being much more bogged down then GB ever was. I don't know, anyone else have thoughts on this :/

Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.

It probably just depends on optimization and other stuffs. Processor doesn't determine everything, although it does help. I personally like the TW ICS and it's pretty smooth to me.

Ics gapps like youtube is one of the big big reasons why I stay and its just something different from gingerbread.
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EpicFlair said:
Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/

ICS on my phone is a minimum upgrade that works good for me but when my tab went from Honeycomb to ICS it made a much larger impact. I think ICS brings all the capable devices together and Jellybean will be the one that solidifies Android.
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We all love something new, and we all love eyecandy.
If GB is working fine for you right now, you won't gain much at all moving to ICS.

The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.

pbassjunk said:
The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?

batting1000 said:
So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*

MultiLockOn said:
Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
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Google is on a yearly release schedule for major Android releases. Jelly Bean or whatever it'll be called was planned well before ICS was shown to the public.
And ICS on skinned devices isn't much of an upgrade, especially with the mess that is Touchwiz. This is due to the (correct) belief on Samsung's part that Android is more complicated and "ugly" than the average user wants/expects. Some of their feature enhancements are useful, but the visual is just awful. On its own, Touchwiz isn't worse than vanilla GB, but you can't use Touchwiz on its own. There are always elements of vanilla GB that show and that makes the entire thing an uncoordinated mess.
Android has reached a point where Google can work on refining the OS with small features. More importantly, ICS is the start of a unified and unique theme that can set Android visually apart from iOS and WP7 which look much better than any Android phone shipping with GB.
Of course, none of that matters since OEMs insist on skinning their phones. I had hoped Samsung would've followed HTC and toned down the skinning for the new version of Touchwiz, but that was a pipe dream considering the number of SGSII's they sold. My biggest problem with Touchwiz is that it doesn't mesh with the Holo theme at all which I hope app developers would use, allowing for a more unified Android look.
What I'm trying to say is: No, ICS is not that much of an upgrade from GB. But, ICS is that important to Android and its future.

pbassjunk said:
[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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I actually love ICS especially the last few leaks. Everything seems so fast and efficient to me
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.

kingdazy said:
now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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Yeah Miui with 4g will be huge! He solved it on NS4G and is building a ROM now. After that (or maybe already) other Miui.us guys like TCP should have access to his code or changes to the code
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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in its stock form hell yea

TrayLunch said:
I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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How do you do that?
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Well, I had it switched from the touchwiz launcher to the stock launcher. I don't think that makes a difference though. Manage apps> all> select an app> if it's a stock app instead of the uninstall option, it'll have disable. Beats the greyed out block that's on GB.
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Majin101 said:
Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Totally agree with you, and I did the latter because of the battery life and I'm waiting for them to polish out the bugs I found. The title of the thread is asking for peoples opinions and evaluations of ICS. You have to understand that some people are not going to share your point of view.
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The sad truth?

Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...

Well the phone was built around that OS. Guess its like having a PC that came with XP and wanting to throw on a custom made Windows 8 OS on it.
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I'll have to politely disagree
I actually have have my phone feel more smooth on ICS and even more smoother on jelly bean.. I was on ginger bread stock for the longest time before I found out about xda and my experience has been way better since then... I even reverted back recently to try a GB Rom and felt like my experience was still better on ICS /JB
But I understand where u coming from. Every one has different experiences
-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss

Cm9 is awesome.
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Sure, I agree that ICS and JB are way better than GB..much "sexier" to have. Matter fact, JB has sucked me back in to loving my phone. However, the argument is that no matter how hard the devs try, who do a damn good job, GB will be far and away the best OS for our phone. This includes stability, dependability and of course battery life, among other things :good:

Its not our phones fault sprint gave us a jacked ota :/
Gb wasn't always 'perfect' but ics, and eventually jb we'll most likely be just as pleasing as gb, If not more, with more features. Just give her time
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thegoodrat said:
Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
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Its just you. I've had an amazing experience since Ff09 or whatever that leak was
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thegoodrat said:
Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
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Just you. Here I am rocking CM9b1.

I totally feel what your saying..cuz other phones on sprint have smooth stock ics other than ours..we can go back and fourth but the fact of the matter is samsung and sprint released a half a** update for ics ..and god bless the developers trying to improve the ics experiance!
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Could not agree more. I am back on gb after using ics for a while its insane the stability and smoothness of this phone on gb. Ics is smooth but gb just destroyed it on our phone!
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ICS is working fine fine with me.
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I also agree that Ics does not match gb YET. But they are making progress fi03 has shown us hope of that. It looks a little smoother and showing major improvement I'm both battery and signal. So Sammy is listening and working to smooth out ics. Keep in mind that there is even a newer build that we don't have yet fi06 who knows whats fixed in that. And I am willing to bet we will get some more drops this month of they continue with this pattern . So let's try and stay optimistic Sammy definitely has the financial backing now to afford good support for there devices. And since the s2 is still selling very well Sammy is continuing support and with Motorola making such a public announcement about there jb support you know sammy is gonna compete with that. So even of ics doesn't become perfect they will probably get it right in jb. Either way a little patience and optimisim will go a long way the future looks bright for our phone.
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cas8180 said:
I also agree that Ics does not match gb YET. But they are making progress fi03 has shown us hope of that. It looks a little smoother and showing major improvement I'm both battery and signal. So Sammy is listening and working to smooth out ics. Keep in mind that there is even a newer build that we don't have yet fi06 who knows whats fixed in that. And I am willing to bet we will get some more drops this month of they continue with this pattern . So let's try and stay optimistic Sammy definitely has the financial backing now to afford good support for there devices. And since the s2 is still selling very well Sammy is continuing support and with Motorola making such a public announcement about there jb support you know sammy is gonna compete with that. So even of ics doesn't become perfect they will probably get it right in jb. Either way a little patience and optimisim will go a long way the future looks bright for our phone.
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Damn like this totally made me think this was an election gig and your looking for a vote haha ..RIGHT ON!!
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I honestly never had an issue with ICS even with the past leaks besides the Wimax bug which is now fixed. Maybe phones have different effects to software. Idk but that emmc bug never affected me and I used the stock recovery to wipe more than once on several occasions lol..
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You guys must not be doing clean installs with full wipes and just doing the ota update. I haven't had any issues with ICS or JB, but I always do a thorough wipe before flashing anything and I only use aosp based roms, like AOKP or PA. I'm not a fan of TWiz so I only run it long enough to do PrL and Profile updates :shrug: if you're having issues with ICS or JB I recommend doing a thorough wipe and then flash a rom and start fresh, left over data and incompatible apps can cause all kinds of issues. I think the only reason the carriers don't wipe data on OTAs is cuz its easier to listen to ppl ***** about the update sucking than it is to listen to em ***** the update erased all their games and apps . They should just force data wipe on OTA and use the Google sync function to restore most data after a clean install, but still people would complain they lost their texts and other assorted crap that if its honestly that important should be getting saved to their external SD cards anyways, cuz if the phone breaks you're gonna lose your sh!t atleast if its on the external SD you can salvage it :thumbup:
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Yes I do every time. Try flashing back to el29 run it for a day or two then flash back to ics and tell me you don't see the difference. It's pretty night and day. I am willing most people that are satisfied with ics are either just happy that's it's a little but better than the ff18. **** we were given or aren't comparing it to el29 maybe cause they never ran it or it's been So long they forgot what it feels like. When you flash back to el29 coming from ics that actually feels like the upgrade. Especially on ph 4.1
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Cm9 is a smoother experience to me at least. Also I'm getting even better battery life than on calks 3.0
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krisI0N said:
Its not our phones fault sprint gave us a jacked ota :/
Gb wasn't always 'perfect' but ics, and eventually jb we'll most likely be just as pleasing as gb, If not more, with more features. Just give her time
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This is my thought exactly. We had what, 3 or 4 official builds of GB before they got it right? And we are on number 2 for ICS.
And with that being said, I am not having any problems with ICS. The last two leaks are running great and I don't miss GB at all.
Everybody has there own experience and opinions, this is just mine.
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I agree with the OP. GB was a much more stable experience. I've flashed dozens of roms both clean and keeping user data and while ICS/JB are definitely improvements to the OS feature-wise, they tend to fail at stability including bugs, battery life, reception, and performance. I've only found one ICS rom that has actually managed a better battery life than calk's EL29 GB and that's re-calked 1.9. As far as reception goes, I get 0-1 bar on ANY ICS/JB rom/kernel/modem combo I've tried here at work and I always get 1-3 bars on GB combos such as EL26 or EL29. Performance is much better on GB for the simple reason that there's less stuff and the improvements in OS efficiency are not enough to offset the increased resource usage of all those cool new features. I also have yet to find an ICS/JB rom that handles scrolling as well as GB... with 4.x when you scroll it's either manually by holding your finger and dragging slowly to pan down or it's superobnoxiously fast and you go from top to bottom but have a hard time scrolling to anywhere just shy of the top or bottom without manually panning to those points. On GB the scrolling is slower so on a long page it may take a while to get to the bottom but at least you can scroll to any point fairly easily once you get used to the scrolling speed. ICS/JB roms have bugs too... mostly minor little annoyances that aren't worth asking a dev to fix. App compatibility is another huge hit for 4.x roms as is the major wifi bug that every 4.x rom I've tried has had which causes the wifi to show as connected after a wakeup but you can't even access google.
Yes, there are certainly some features about ICS/JB which I really enjoy and this is why I keep flashing more roms in the hopes that maybe eventually I'll stumble across the perfect rom/kernel/modem combo to make my phone uber. Re-Calked 1.9 with Agat's 5.4 and FH23 has so far been a decent step in that direction but it's still not perfect as the wifi problem still exists and scrolling is still ICS scrolling but one of these days I'll find the perfect non-GB rom.

Well it seems some people arent understanding my post. Sure, cm9 is great. Ive been running pa cm10 for the past week cause its been so fun. But the best GB ROMs have given me the best experience even it wasn't as "fun"
Maybe idk how to flash properly or my phone sucks lol