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Hey
I'm running CMod 6.0.1 on my rooted HTC Desire (Telus).
All of my apps, with the exception of some few are installed on my 16GB SD card, yet I only have 11MB of internal space remaining? As far as my calculation go, I've only used around 100MB. Does anybody know where my other 400MB went? Why is only so little left?
Thanks in advance

Check the applications for how much data they have (Settings>Applications) I recently had this problem then went to the Browser and found out that it had well over 70mbs data there, which instantly got deleted.
Swyped from my Oxygenated HTC Desire

HTC Desire has a specified internal storage space of 512mb. But only about 146MB is available for installing apps. You can search around the forum for more info.
There are ways to increase your internal storage. The simplest is to create an EXT partition using ROM Mananger or gparted. You will also need to use a rom that has A2SD built in.
So the next time you download apps, your apps will be installed on your ext partition. Well most of it. Some apps will still take up internal space.

friedkimchi said:
There are ways to increase your internal storage. The simplest is to create an EXT partition using ROM Mananger or gparted. You will also need to use a rom that has A2SD built in.
So the next time you download apps, your apps will be installed on your ext partition. Well most of it. Some apps will still take up internal space.
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This ^
Or modify the rom before flashing. Remove unwanted apps and replace them with apps that take huge amounts of user-space and rarely is updated (ie google maps and such).
In most roms ive tried its a simple process of delete/drag-drop into the rar-file...and then flash without sign verification.
Got about 100mb free with programs i use installed, and still have ~120mb left on the system-part if i find any new must-have-by-default-app.
But do a nandroid backup before starting if you choose this way, to be able to restore a messup and to see how much space your system.img(?) takes. This to know how much space you have left to put apps on.

App2sd not working properly?

Ok, here's my situation:
Wildfire s A510e
S-ON
Android 2.3.3
This thing enabled
According to app2sd, i've got no more moveable apps, on my internal memory there are just 7 apps installed (Google Maps, Facebook, Vocal Search, Youtube, Gmail, Clock Widget, 3g Watchdog), but i've got just 6mb free (out of 150mb).
The thing is, browsing my internal memory (using for example Disk Usage, which i think is very user friendly), i found out that all the apps i've installed on the sd have a lot of data on the internal storage anyway.
For example, i've got Barcode Scanner installed on my SD, But it uses 545kb on my internal memory 600kb on the SD.
And another thing: when i browse to settings- applications - manage apps, i can see Barcode Scanner installed on the SD, but it says it uses 545kb (which is the amount of data in the internal memory).
So, is all this normal? 'cause otherwise i don't see the point in installing apps on the sd if they fill up the internal memory anyways.
Any idea? Any suggestion?
Thanks in advance!

I have soff, a rooted rom. Many apps installed ans 120mb or so free memory. I think ans soff device is more flexible to tweak.
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Ok, found out that the data not bein moved is mainly davlik cache and .apk files.
Now, although I already know the answer... Is it impossible to move those files, without root privileges, right?
Damn, I want S-OFF.

That's right, you need root access in order to move any system file on the device to another location, such as a different partition or external card.
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Update:
I've unlocked and rooted my phone.
I've created a 1024mb ext4 partition and installed Link2SD.
Moving all the apps to the partition.
Still, i found .apk files and davlik cache in the primary partition.
Any help? I though with root all my space problems would be over easyly :S

I did a 1024mb partition and used data2sd, I don't have to move app myself, the internal memory show my 1,150 GB...
Maybe you should use data2sd :/
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update to rom 2.3.5 will actually free up more memory even you don't have the unlock your phone. For stock app e.g. facebook, gmail; if you happened to update it, they are unable to be moved to the SD card and occupy much of the internal memory. You can always use app2sd to move the other application to the SD card to free your internal memory once you've updated from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5, I think the HTC people have made some improvement in their latest update with regards to the internal memory issue.
After the updating, I haven't yet unlock my phone (as there was no suitable RUU for my carrier), yet I have free memory of 40 Mb on a 2.3.5 rom Vs that of 15Mb on a 2.3.3 rom.

SavageButcher said:
Update:
I've unlocked and rooted my phone.
I've created a 1024mb ext4 partition and installed Link2SD.
Moving all the apps to the partition.
Still, i found .apk files and davlik cache in the primary partition.
Any help? I though with root all my space problems would be over easyly :S
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Did you do MOVE to SD or Link?
Move to SD is just using the built in Apps2SD support which still leaves parts of the APK, all the Dalvik Cache and Library files still on your internal Data partition.
Link is what you want... There are a few apps like Link2SD that, for obvious reasons, won't link.
You are not looking to use the Apps2SD function. Link.
Also you will see ALL the apps and Dalvik cache files listed on the Data partition still but if you look carefully they are sizeless as they are simply "links" or shortcuts if you like, to the real files on your secondard SD partition.
You will also still see the System APKS Dalvik cache files unless you integrate them into the system partition using something like Titanium Backup Pro. This is as it should be. System Dalvik will not move to an external partition.

If you're rooted and have a recovery, just install DT a2sd. Once your find the file, flash it, go to terminal emulator in the phone and type
Code:
su
A2sd reinstall
your phone will do a hot reboot. Then go back in and type
Code:
su
a2sd cachesd
There will bet another hot reboot and you're done. You'll still lose some internal memory as time goes by, but that's because the phone will store the apps cache on you're internal memory still.
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d33ps1x said:
Did you do MOVE to SD or Link?
Move to SD is just using the built in Apps2SD support which still leaves parts of the APK, all the Dalvik Cache and Library files still on your internal Data partition.
Link is what you want... There are a few apps like Link2SD that, for obvious reasons, won't link.
You are not looking to use the Apps2SD function. Link.
Also you will see ALL the apps and Dalvik cache files listed on the Data partition still but if you look carefully they are sizeless as they are simply "links" or shortcuts if you like, to the real files on your secondard SD partition.
You will also still see the System APKS Dalvik cache files unless you integrate them into the system partition using something like Titanium Backup Pro. This is as it should be. System Dalvik will not move to an external partition.
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Thanks deepsix! That actually worked. (btw i realized that by myself just 30 secs after i wrote my previous post, i feel so noob for writing that, lol.)

[Q] Best way to increase phone memory?

Hi there, a bit newbie to the Wildfire S that I bought to my girlfriend. I pretty familiar with CM7 for my HTC Aria, but not with stock roms.
The Wildfire S is rooted and runs a stock ROM with Hebrew support. that's the way is was bought from the store.
We've only installed gmail and maybe another app, and you are left with only 30MB of space? is that the way HTC designed this phone?
I want to increase the phone memory and use the SD-card. If I create a SD-ext of 1GB, what is the best method to move apps and cache to the card?

link2sd

thx for the quick response.
does link2sd allows for dalvik cache moving?
after installing link2sd is internal is the SD-ext (like in Cyanogen) or it's the internal phone memory?
also, if I have a rooted phone can I remove some of the sense apps?

Just do factory reset first, then you'll have about 150mb of memory free.
And yes, you can delete system apps if you are rooted.But be aware not to delete some important apps which can cause your phone not to fuction properly.
As for the extra memory, I would recommend link2sd, I'm using it, and I have 100 apps installed.
You could also use data2sd, but you need sdcard class 4+ for that, in order for it not to lag too much.
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CaptainMaki said:
also, if I have a rooted phone can I remove some of the sense apps?
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Nightshadow931 said:
And yes, you can delete system apps if you are rooted.But be aware not to delete some important apps which can cause your phone not to fuction properly.
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correct, deleting system apps is possible if rooted
however these are on the system partition, so will not increase phone memory.

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does link2sd allows for dalvik cache moving?
after installing link2sd is internal is the SD-ext (like in Cyanogen) or it's the internal phone memory?
also, if I have a rooted phone can I remove some of the sense apps?[/QUOTE]
your internal phone memory still 150M，but apps can move to sdcard，I think the best way is data2sd .

Nightshadow931 said:
Just do factory reset first, then you'll have about 150mb of memory free.
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I've already did a factory reset once and I didn't got 150MB of free internal memory it was much lower, that's why I was puzzled to see how quick the memory disappeared. If I had 150MB free I wouldn't have any problem cause I don't need too many apps on this phone.
Is it better to create sd-ext with ROM manager and than use link2sd?

after root I recommend SystemCleanup APP to update factory default Google apps in system (save over 40Mb of space). It's easier than link2sd

seems like a great app, tried it on my phone not the wildfire and had a few FC. but eventually managed to do everything.
No problem on the wildfire stock ROM? phone is rooted.

I'm using link2sd on a rooted stock ROM. No problems, works great, 30MB internal free, tens of apps installed/linked to the SD Card.

@trevike:
do you remember how much internal free space you had before using link2sd?

no problem whatsoever, just DO NOT move to system updated HTC apps (for example Clock widget). Those will stop working. FC for moved Google apps are normal until you reboot the phone.

I don't intended to do so. Just wondering if there is still something left on the phone or that's' what's left with Stock ROM installed.

If I remember correctly, I used to have 4x MB.

120MB, well I should check it in depth.

I just did a factory reset and wiped data completely. I've only got 62.6MB free in my data folder.
SD Maid tell me that (used/total)
system folder 199/269
internal data 87/150
any ideas how to check what's clogging the data folder?

CaptainMaki said:
I just did a factory reset and wiped data completely. I've only got 62.6MB free in my data folder.
SD Maid tell me that (used/total)
system folder 199/269
internal data 87/150
any ideas how to check what's clogging the data folder?
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bit strange that you have so much space used after factory reset
i find 'diskusage' app very useful to visually see what it is taking up space in each partition.

if I'm using this correctly, then on the data folder the dalvik cache is in charge for about 74 MB. that's after factory reset and 5 apps installed.

If it is rooted then install Link 2 SD. Delete some useless system apps and move apps like facebook, youtube etc to SD card..

If you're on stock rom rooted, link2sd is better than remove some stock apps.
If you're on custom rom or stock rom with custom kernel support init.d, you can use DT Apps2sd to move dalvik-cache. I think its better than link2sd.
Or/and if you have sdcard class 10, you might use data2sd.
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Best flow for rooting to improve available app storage

Hi all,
I've done some reading on rooting and whatever else is needed to improve the measly amount of app storage on an otherwise cool WFS. However, being a noob at this I'm not sure if I got it all right. Here's what I think that I need to do:
0. start with "clean" WFS (factory data reset)
1. backup everything with nandroid
2. unlock bootloader (at htcdev.com)
3. install superuser from market
4. create ext2 partition on SD card
5. install link2sd and point to ext2 partition on SD card
6. uninstall preinstalled bloatware
Does this look right? Should this give me a good amount of app storage? Anything that needs to be added/improved?
One thing that I'm not sure about is if I also need to install data2SD.
Thanks in advance,
Nick

savoiu said:
Hi all,
I've done some reading on rooting and whatever else is needed to improve the measly amount of app storage on an otherwise cool WFS. However, being a noob at this I'm not sure if I got it all right. Here's what I think that I need to do:
0. start with "clean" WFS (factory data reset)
1. backup everything with nandroid
2. unlock bootloader (at htcdev.com)
3. install superuser from market
4. create ext2 partition on SD card
5. install link2sd and point to ext2 partition on SD card
6. uninstall preinstalled bloatware
Does this look right? Should this give me a good amount of app storage? Anything that needs to be added/improved?
One thing that I'm not sure about is if I also need to install data2SD.
Thanks in advance,
Nick
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Good amount of app storage depends on how much u need and whats size of ur ext partition. Best way to increase app storage is flashing Data2sdV2withA2sdremover_by_jikantaru.zip after making ext partition. Google it ,download and flash.
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abhi8569 said:
Good amount of app storage depends on how much u need and whats size of ur ext partition.
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Once I have an app on the SD card wouldn't internal app memory not be an issue anymore?
I use a 32GB SD card and was thinking of setting a 2-3GB app partition.
abhi8569 said:
Best way to increase app storage is flashing Data2sdV2withA2sdremover_by_jikantaru.zip after making ext partition. Google it ,download and flash.
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I'm not sure that I know how to handle these ROMs.
Nick

Your original "flow" is sufficient.
Don't worry about Data2SD. That is unnecessary (and may cause problems) if you plan to use Link2SD.
Link2SD is the superior solution, in my humble opinion.

Yes, I'm quite OK with the stock ROM. I just need more app space.
Should I do step 6 right after rooting instead?
Will Link2SD ensure that all app apk/dalvik/cache etc goes to SD thus keeping the available internal storage constant?
Thanks,
Nick

savoiu said:
Hi all,
I've done some reading on rooting and whatever else is needed to improve the measly amount of app storage on an otherwise cool WFS. However, being a noob at this I'm not sure if I got it all right. Here's what I think that I need to do:
0. start with "clean" WFS (factory data reset)
1. backup everything with nandroid
2. unlock bootloader (at htcdev.com)
3. install superuser from market
4. create ext2 partition on SD card
5. install link2sd and point to ext2 partition on SD card
6. uninstall preinstalled bloatware
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0. not absolutely necessary
1. you can't do a nandroid backup until you have unlocked your bootloader and have clockworkmod recovery installed.
2. if you have received an OTA update to 2.26.401.3 and hboot 1.09.0099, you can unlock, install custom recovery and root using rezo609's all in one utility without any data loss. keep your warranty and no need to go through htcdev.
3. no need if you follow above
4. backup your sd card to computer 1st
6. uninstalling preinstalled bloatware won't increase your total internal memory (data partition) as these apps are installed on the system partition.
savoiu said:
Will Link2SD ensure that all app apk/dalvik/cache etc goes to SD thus keeping the available internal storage constant?
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should do depending on your selected options. however app data should stay on internal (generally better for stability and performance anyway) so internal memory will still decrease, but much slower.
whatever your setup, i recommend installing 'diskusage' to see how all your partitions are being used.

eddiehk6 said:
6. uninstalling preinstalled bloatware won't increase your total internal memory (data partition) as these apps are installed on the system partition.
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How can further increase internal memory?
One reason for wanting to remove the preinstalled apps is that whenever I need to update them it seems that the update must go in the internal memory. I was hoping that if I uninstall them then I can reinstall just the ones I want but on on the SD card. Does that make sense?
Thanks,
Nick

savoiu said:
How can further increase internal memory?
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the ext partition becomes extra internal memory, but is not 'seen' by the android system i.e. looks like it remains at ~150MB.
i've not actually used link2sd, but when you install an app, you can choose to install/move it to the ext partition. this will move more than the traditional apps2sd (without root), thus you'll be able to install more apps...
if you update a system app, link2sd can even integrate it back into system partition
also, i don't recommend creating a partition bigger than 2GB, not necessary and i think can cause problems.

You can try this one also myandroiid.blogspot.com/p/how-to-use-your-sdcard-as-internal.html
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Backing up apps

Hi everyone. I have another (probably) stupid question(s) about backing up apps prior to flashing ROM. I have installed all my apps and backed them up with Titanium. When I flash ROM it is easy to restore. All clear. Now, all my apps are on INTERNAL memory. Now I have decided to install games as well, I keep all my games on SD card.
1) Is it necessary to backup apps on SD card? Aren't they in .androidsecure folder on SD card? If so, will they be automatically visible to the new ROM/System?
2) Another variant of the question - If I use Link2SD, which doesn't move apps 2 SD like app2SD but creates links and uses second hidden EXT4 partition to store apps (apps look to the system as if they're on internal memory), is it necessary to backup these apps? Or will they become available simply by reinstalling Link2SD?
Thanx
D.

Since noone seems to know - I had to try myself. And the answers: Super Wipe script from Revolution wipes .androidsecure folder. The second SD card partition (EXT4) for use with Link2SD is not accessible, I wouldn't say wiped since it displays usage info, but all apps there are not accessible.
What remains to be tried is to make a backup with Titanium and see whether it restores everything Luckily, before trying I did full backup from recovery so I can continue experimenting with all my apps intact
D.