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[Q] Tablet

It seems like there are different kinds. I mentioned one to my mom and told her it would be nice to have one along side my Evo so she's going to get me and her both one on Wednesday. Which should I get or which have better specs and can be rooted?

I was going to get an Android tablet but ended up getting an iPad instead. IMO, Android just isn't ready to be on a tablet. I'm sure when Honeycomb comes around I will get an Android tab but until then, it's the iPad for me.

_MetalHead_ said:
I was going to get an Android tablet but ended up getting an iPad instead. IMO, Android just isn't ready to be on a tablet. I'm sure when Honeycomb comes around I will get an Android tab but until then, it's the iPad for me.
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Would you mind telling me what you think pros and cons are with getting either or?

I dunno, i went and checked out the galaxy tab and aside from just feeling like a cheap piece of crap (in classic samsung fashion) the software just didn't feel right. Scrolling was choppy, and it just seemed like an over grown Android phone. I saw no point in getting it when I already have my EVO, and really couldn't justify the purchase in my mind.
On the flip side, the iPad just feels like a quality product, it has a gorgeous screen that scrolls incredibly smoothly, and it feels completely polished. There is beauty in the simplicity of the OS, and it has grown on me immensely. The apps on it are far superior to what is found on android, and the games are pretty dam awesome. Considering that the two were similarly priced, it really was a no brainer for me.
Keep in mind, I am an Android fanboy, and up until I purchased my iPad, I badmouthed apple products every chance I got. Now that I have the iPad, I cannot deny that as far as tablets are concerned, iOS is far superior to Android. Android still smokes iOS in the phone department though.
I do have very high hopes for Honeycomb though.

Thanks I'll see if I can play with both and I wan't to make the right decision because I don't want to buy one and a new software gets release and the other is better. I keep things for a long time so it's more like an investment. Thanks for your response.
_MetalHead_ said:
I dunno, i went and checked out the galaxy tab and aside from just feeling like a cheap piece of crap (in classic samsung fashion) the software just didn't feel right. Scrolling was choppy, and it just seemed like an over grown Android phone. I saw no point in getting it when I already have my EVO, and really couldn't justify the purchase in my mind.
On the flip side, the iPad just feels like a quality product, it has a gorgeous screen that scrolls incredibly smoothly, and it feels completely polished. There is beauty in the simplicity of the OS, and it has grown on me immensely. The apps on it are far superior to what is found on android, and the games are pretty dam awesome. Considering that the two were similarly priced, it really was a no brainer for me.
Keep in mind, I am an Android fanboy, and up until I purchased my iPad, I badmouthed apple products every chance I got. Now that I have the iPad, I cannot deny that as far as tablets are concerned, iOS is far superior to Android. Android still smokes iOS in the phone department though.
I do have very high hopes for Honeycomb though.
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You know If theres one thing I'm getting tired of is hearing that Android is not ready for a tablet of what ever. In many ways my phone is more functional than my home windows PC.
Yeah some apps will look silly with only a few big buttons on the screen. But those apps are NOT meant to do 80 million things, they are meant to do one thing really well. And in all seriousness do you spend any real amount of time in apps like that right now on your phone?
There a fair amount of apps that would scale really nice. Like I use Pulse for my news and I think that would look great on a 7in-10in screen. Most of the apps people would use a tablet for they would be fine, like the browsers, email, weather, news apps, ereaders, and even a lot of the games(Angry birds, air hockey etc)
My other thing to note in this is that most of the time people spend on a home computer is using a internet browser. most of the apps I use are just shortcuts to webpages(think about it for a minute) or game's which there a ton of flash games also.
Theres a whole lot more tablets out there than just the Tab and Ipad, Archos makes some cool ones. then theres the chinse ones that are really cheap(under $200). But what your going to hit is in a couple months anything you buy now is going to be junk compared to all the dual core monsters that are going to be coming.
If you want one you can root there are forums just for tablets, and they can help guide you which ones you can root. I remember reading that theres a couple of the cheap ones people have been able to put CM on.

I played with the galaxy tab today and was not impressed. I imagined apps optimized for the tab but they were exactly the same as on my EVO. I'm going to get the Notion Adam Ink tablet.
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You know If theres one thing I'm getting tired of is hearing that Android is not ready for a tablet of what ever. In many ways my phone is more functional than my home windows PC.
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Not trying to upset anyone, just stating my opinion. 2.2 on a tablet does not feel right to me, it leaves me wanting more. It really makes the thing feel like an oversized Android phone.
gqstatus0685 said:
I played with the galaxy tab today and was not impressed. I imagined apps optimized for the tab but they were exactly the same as on my EVO. I'm going to get the Notion Adam Ink tablet.
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I've been following that Notion Adam tab and it does look VERY nice, but there is something sketchy about that company's whole operation. I was considering preordering it but I am just going to wait until it actually comes out (if it ever does) and if the reviews are good, I'm going to snatch one up.

_MetalHead_ said:
I dunno, i went and checked out the galaxy tab and aside from just feeling like a cheap piece of crap (in classic samsung fashion) the software just didn't feel right. Scrolling was choppy, and it just seemed like an over grown Android phone. I saw no point in getting it when I already have my EVO, and really couldn't justify the purchase in my mind.
On the flip side, the iPad just feels like a quality product, it has a gorgeous screen that scrolls incredibly smoothly, and it feels completely polished. There is beauty in the simplicity of the OS, and it has grown on me immensely. The apps on it are far superior to what is found on android, and the games are pretty dam awesome. Considering that the two were similarly priced, it really was a no brainer for me.
Keep in mind, I am an Android fanboy, and up until I purchased my iPad, I badmouthed apple products every chance I got. Now that I have the iPad, I cannot deny that as far as tablets are concerned, iOS is far superior to Android. Android still smokes iOS in the phone department though.
I do have very high hopes for Honeycomb though.
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Which version of the galaxy tab did you try? I tried verizon and sprint. Verizon version had the touch wiz ui that clearly no one likes.it's true what you said cuz the verizon version was really choppy and sluggish. On the other hand the sprint version was stock and ran really smooth. But I'm holding off on purchasing a tablet cuz the processor both ipad and galaxy tab have are mobile processor, I'd much prefer a tegra 2
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wang1404 said:
Which version of the galaxy tab did you try? I tried verizon and sprint. Verizon version had the touch wiz ui that clearly no one likes.it's true what you said cuz the verizon version was really choppy and sluggish. On the other hand the sprint version was stock and ran really smooth. But I'm holding off on purchasing a tablet cuz the processor both ipad and galaxy tab have are mobile processor, I'd much prefer a tegra 2
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Pretty sure I tried a Verizon one, a Sprint one AND an At&t one and was not impressed with any of them. Don't really remember seeing the TouchWiz UI on any of them but in all fairness I really didn't spend too much time with them. It really only took a few seconds for me to decide that the Galaxy Tab was not what I was looking for.

I've been using a Galaxy Tab from Sprint for about a month now, and have no complaints. It has excellent battery life, and the UI is buttery smooth.
I like the fact that the SD card slot is on the outside, so I can remove it at anytime. I loaded two seasons of The Office on it, and it's great to watch on the Tab's screen.
It is essentially an oversized EVO, and most folks say that iOS beats Android when it comes to games and apps, but it's still a great device with tons of versatility. I have only one item that I wish would be added: an external USB port.
That being said, I would wait until either the new iPad is released or until a Honeycomb tablet is on the market.

iPad or wait for a decent Android Tab. Not to suggest the Galaxy Tab isn't worth it ... I would have suggested getting it when it first came out if someone needed an Android tab.
I hate it as I really want a tab but I couldn't justify buying / suggesting what is available now.
Hell, even buying an iPad right now - with how long it's been out and Apple's usual cycle of new products / releases - I would think that'd be a foolish plan too. And if it's an Android tab ... things are about to get real in 2011.

Well I might be getting a Sprint Galaxy tab for xmass.
I won't turn it away

Wow. I'm shocked nobody has mentioned the "adam" it's a notion ink tablet. It is by far the best upcoming tablet. They have some pretty sweet video demonstrations of the UI on youtube. It is definitely worth a look, oh yeah it is shipping with android 2.3 and the specs are fantastic
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Nook Color
If you want a cheap alternative ($250.00)that is pretty good and has the best screen out there for tabs check out the Nook Color from B&N. Some XDA guys are doing some amazing things with it already. I have mine rooted with the market and all. This will at least hold me over till next year when the Moto and HTC powerhouse tabs hit the market.

JSZESZE said:
Wow. I'm shocked nobody has mentioned the "adam" it's a notion ink tablet. It is by far the best upcoming tablet. They have some pretty sweet video demonstrations of the UI on youtube. It is definitely worth a look, oh yeah it is shipping with android 2.3 and the specs are fantastic
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That was mentioned on the first page.

Yeah I was thinking of getting my g/f the nook color and rooting it. Placed some calls through craigslist so hoping to meet up today.
Android isn't ready to be on a tablet yet but it's for my g/f so she won't care.

jerrygon said:
If you want a cheap alternative ($250.00)that is pretty good and has the best screen out there for tabs check out the Nook Color from B&N. Some XDA guys are doing some amazing things with it already. I have mine rooted with the market and all. This will at least hold me over till next year when the Moto and HTC powerhouse tabs hit the market.
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I agree...I'm sure HTC will have the mac daddy tablet at some point.
I will be perfectly satisfied with the Galaxy Tab though, especially when the custom roms start coming out.
That's not to say this will be my last tablet!

Coming From Iphone 4s ?

u guys think that it will be a good choice for me or not ?

This is an Android forum and more importantly an Android phone...what do you think people are going to tell you? Haha j/k
If it was apps you were worried about Android Market will probably overtake App Store in a year or two so I'd say go for it
It's personal preference but I'm sure you definitely wouldn't regret it. You seen Ice Cream Sandwich?!?! Daymmmm!

Yes, it will be a good choice.
Imagine the screen size only, that's enough to laugh about iPhone 4S tiny screen
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u guys think that it will be a good choice for me or not ?
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yea i know i the iphone 4s screen a little tiny calculator lol just selling mi 4s to get the nexus

From 4S to Galaxy Nexus.....it a huge jump. I would start with Nexus S first.

x.Orville.x said:
u guys think that it will be a good choice for me or not ?
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I went from the iphone to the SGS2 and it didn't work for me I was told to try a pure google phone for what my needs were, I have not bought it yet as I'm waiting to see if it's going to be recalled or maybe get a phone from a fresh batch, the apps are somewhat different then on an iphone for an example is the pandora app for say if you turn it landscape you won't get the playlist you listened to during your secion(like you can't look back and see what you listen to and see all the album covers, some apps are better in android then on the iphone some I prefer some I don't JAMOP ,

justabrake said:
I went from the iphone to the SGS2 and it didn't work for me I was told to try a pure google phone for what my needs were, I have not bought it yet as I'm waiting to see if it's going to be recalled or maybe get a phone from a fresh batch, the apps are somewhat different then on an iphone for an example is the pandora app for say if you turn it landscape you won't get the playlist you listened to during your secion(like you can't look back and see what you listen to and see all the album covers, some apps are better in android then on the iphone some I prefer some I don't JAMOP ,
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Dude. Use a period or two.
The iPhone is the top-of-the-line iOS device while the Nexus is the same for Android. The 4S won't have a successor for at least 6 months, while the Nexus could easily cruise a year. That being said, both will be outspecced pretty quickly by quadcore Android phones. Try the Nexus out, IceCreamSandwich is the main feature, as is the HD screen. If you don't like it, go back to the 4S, or wait for some new Android phones. The 4S and Nexus are almost on par in terms of hardware, and are both flagship devices. Either one is a great choice, just depends on your UI preference.
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I try to jump to a gs2 last summer but i dont liked and switched back to ios u guys think that the nexus will be outdated in a 3 or 4 months ? That's my main reason to get to phone when the gs3 come will be outdated or not ?

x.Orville.x said:
u guys think that it will be a good choice for me or not ?
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We can't make that decision for you !, I didn't like the SGS2 because of the OS matched up with the hardware, The hardware is all there but it doesn't really work together with it's OS, It's not like how apple puts together their phone everything works like a well oiled machine, it's just not there for some reason, it's all a matter of how one notices it. This is my opinion and I'm hopping for a better phone experience this time around with google as the hardware picker and maker of there OS ICS and definitely not samsung the plastiqek phone maker, I would have liked LG or HTC make it. JMO like it or not

I just made the jump from iOS (3Gs, 4, 4s) to an SGSII, and it will be hard to go back, for me. Customization and larger screens were my main reason for jumping, and I haven't been disappointed. iOS still wins for the ecosystem and interoperability elegance, but I am happy with my choice.
On a side note, my SGSII is going back (bought an unlocked Nexus S) because like the 4s, it is not compelling enough to use my upgrade on for two years. I'll see what comes out in 2012 for an upgrade.
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Hemlocke said:
I just made the jump from iOS (3Gs, 4, 4s) to an SGSII, and it will be hard to go back, for me. Customization and larger screens were my main reason for jumping, and I haven't been disappointed. iOS still wins for the ecosystem and interoperability elegance, but I am happy with my choice.
On a side note, my SGSII is going back (bought an unlocked Nexus S) because like the 4s, it is not compelling enough to use my upgrade on for two years. I'll see what comes out in 2012 for an upgrade.
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I'm buying this nexus outright and saved my upgrade for the iphone 5, I want the iphone 5 early shipped to me.

If you like to customize and do things like put ROMS, kernels, over clocking and such.
Android is now the way to go.......maybe in the past it was iOS but now they are pretty even.
Android is a lot better now especially with ICS....at least they finally decided to implement hardware acceleration -.- which is what iOS did since the beginning making it feel so much more fluid than android.
Anyways, if you sell your iPhone 4s, i would say get the GSII and save a few hundred bucks, especially since the Galaxy Nexus is costing more than the iPhone 4s even sells for. Then use that money when the GSIII or iPhone 5 come out.

I have both the iPhone 4S and Galaxy Nexus.
The iPhone 4S has superior build quality, camera and video recording, games, and vastly superior battery life.
The Galaxy Nexus has the best display I've ever seen, even better than Retina IMO! I can't believe people are bashing Super AMOLED HD or saying Retina is still way better. I have no complaints about the screen, its jaw dropping. Android 4.0 is the best OS out IMO as well. IOS 5 is cool and all, but I can't help but feel that Apple isn't innovating as fast as they should. Google literally redesigned and improved every aspect of Android in one update. In these past 4 years iOS looks nearly identical to how it did when it first launched, as well as many of the stock Apple apps. Every Google app got a giant facelift and improvement: YouTube, Gmail, Google Maps etc. And they look beautiful on this screen. The phone is pretty big overall but I'm getting used to it and its awesome. Performance is very good as well.
I've had the phone for roughly half a day and battery doesn't seem that good yet but I'll reserve judgment for a few more days.
I honestly can't believe Google improved Android this much in just one update. Its amazing.
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I agree. People dog the 4/4s because they will shatter, but the build quality and materials are excellent. It doesn't feel cheap.
I liked the SGSII, initially, but it has always felt cheap and the big screen has terrible resolution. I realized that Android was what would keep me here. I'm looking forward to some premium look and feel Android devices to match the potential of Android OS.
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Just sell my 4s on ebay 588$ for it 16 gb ordering through expansys this week

x.Orville.x said:
I try to jump to a gs2 last summer but i dont liked and switched back to ios u guys think that the nexus will be outdated in a 3 or 4 months ? That's my main reason to get to phone when the gs3 come will be outdated or not ?
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In the smartphone game EVERY phone that comes out is eclipsed in 3-4 months as far as specs are concerned, that's just the nature of the beast now. The thing about the iPhone and the Nexus phones are that there is only one device made every year despite all the other ones that come out with newer faster hardware or whathaveyou. The Nexus phones were designed to have hardware and software work hand in hand more so than any other Android phone. Both of the previous Nexus devices are the only ones running 2.3.6 (to my knowledge - and the NS4G has 2.3.7) which is one update ahead of everyone else - brand new phones are being launched with 2.3.5. If you're gonna make the jump, you're going to want the pure Google experience.

qreffie said:
In the smartphone game EVERY phone that comes out is eclipsed in 3-4 months as far as specs are concerned, that's just the nature of the beast now. The thing about the iPhone and the Nexus phones are that there is only one device made every year despite all the other ones that come out with newer faster hardware or whathaveyou. The Nexus phones were designed to have hardware and software work hand in hand more so than any other Android phone. Both of the previous Nexus devices are the only ones running 2.3.6 (to my knowledge - and the NS4G has 2.3.7) which is one update ahead of everyone else - brand new phones are being launched with 2.3.5. If you're gonna make the jump, you're going to want the pure Google experience.
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The SG2 has been out for 7 months and is still one of the most powerful smartphones out there in terms of hardware.

gabster21 said:
The SG2 has been out for 7 months and is still one of the most powerful smartphones out there in terms of hardware.
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I was going to say that LOL but he's also mentioning a phone that come out once a year samsung puts out phones ever three months

That's because of the timing it launched in. With 4 cores around the corner things will change fast .
But I have to say this to OP, me personally I have no desires to go into contest of who has the longer piss, what matters to me is the user experience, as long as it is smooth and fast I don't care about hardware much as long as it would support the latest software. Because overtime all the wow effect will diminish and you'll be left with the software.
I would change from the iPhone to anything just because of the tiny screen.
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That's because of the timing it launched in. With 4 cores around the corner things will change fast .
But I have to say this to OP, me personally I have no desires to go into contest of who has the longer piss, what matters to me is the user experience, as long as it is smooth and fast I don't care about hardware much as long as it would support the latest software. Because overtime all the wow effect will diminish and you'll be left with the software.
I would change from the iPhone to anything just because of the tiny screen.
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I left apple because iphone 4s wasn't an upgrade to me, I also wanted to try something different in life because I had the 2G 3G 3Gs 4 and wanted to see what else is out their and like I said the SGS2 was not for me and I would have turned back if someone didn't say give the google phone a try ( because of what I wanted in a phone ) So here I am waiting to purchase soon, just waiting for the first update and for the second batch to appear
from what I read on iclarified they said (speculation of course ) apple is working on a 4" phone That would be good and I hope they make both because a lot of people like using one hand when surfing and the iphone is great for that in size
http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=18327

Galaxy Nexus or iPhone 4s?

Hey Guys...I have an iPhone 4s But I am really curious about the Galaxy Nexus.
Has anyone gone that route? Has anyone gone from a iPhone 4s to the Nexus? What are your thoughts? I am not new to Android......I had a Bionic a Thunderbolt before my iPhone..... Just wanted to get some input as I can trade my iPhone for a Nexus straight up...

I just did the trade. Its got its pros and its cons. You do get the bigger screen but make sure you check it out cause the screen can be overwhelming. It was for me. The camera is the worst compared to the iPhone. I really miss the camera. Battery is about the same for both (meaning they suck). Nexus is because of the lte though. If you have a Mac then you are going to miss I cloud cause it all worked great. Twitter lags badly on nexus if you use that but I think that's due to incompatibility with ics.
The positives though, screen looks amazing with the vibrant colors. Great for games. I love the hacking community. All in all its a great phone. I really miss my iPhone and siri but I love this big guy. Make sure you really play around with a nexus before trading.
Also the first nexus I got had real bad vertical lines on it when it was dim. I returned it and got a new one which is more bearable but still there.
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I just did the trade. Its got its pros and its cons. You do get the bigger screen but make sure you check it out cause the screen can be overwhelming. It was for me. The camera is the worst compared to the iPhone. I really miss the camera. Battery is about the same for both (meaning they suck). Nexus is because of the lte though. If you have a Mac then you are going to miss I cloud cause it all worked great. Twitter lags badly on nexus if you use that but I think that's due to incompatibility with ics.
The positives though, screen looks amazing with the vibrant colors. Great for games. I love the hacking community. All in all its a great phone. I really miss my iPhone and siri but I love this big guy. Make sure you really play around with a nexus before trading.
Also the first nexus I got had real bad vertical lines on it when it was dim. I returned it and got a new one which is more bearable but still there.
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Thank you.....so I see a lot of pros and cons for both phones......but if you had to do it over again would you?
My Bionic lasted about 16 hours for normal (for me) use. My iPhone last about 2 days between charges. But I do take a lot of pictures with my phone and like to carry it in my pocket....so not sure the Nexus will fit in my jean pocket.....

jamezr said:
Thank you.....so I see a lot of pros and cons for both phones......but if you had to do it over again would you?
My Bionic lasted about 16 hours for normal (for me) use. My iPhone last about 2 days between charges. But I do take a lot of pictures with my phone and like to carry it in my pocket....so not sure the Nexus will fit in my jean pocket.....
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My Nexus fits fine in my pockets lol

I love the nexus definitely but if I had to do it again I don't think I would. I really do love the iPhone. Especially if you plan in taking a lot of pics. They have a thread on here with peoples pics on their nexus and you can see the difference in quality between the 2. If you go for Verizon lte version then you get a huge boost in speed.
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jamezr said:
Hey Guys...I have an iPhone 4s But I am really curious about the Galaxy Nexus.
Has anyone gone that route? Has anyone gone from a iPhone 4s to the Nexus? What are your thoughts? I am not new to Android......I had a Bionic a Thunderbolt before my iPhone..... Just wanted to get some input as I can trade my iPhone for a Nexus straight up...
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I did, though I still have the i4S as well so it was not really a switch. I'm basically using two phones now
It depends what do you do mostly on the phone. Both devices are great, there are some fields where i4S literally trumps GNexus like the camera, so if you often take pictures with your iPhone, you will be really disappointed, but otherwise it's mostly a matter of display/OS preference: huge GNexus display with Android, or tiny iPhone display with iOS. I could live with any of those devices if I was forced to use only one, so if you are draw to Nexus screen, and you won't miss iOS only features like iMessage, go for it..

For me there isn't any question - I ditched iOS last year and haven't looked back. I preferred even the screens of the Captivate and the Fascinate over the iPhone due to the brightness and color saturation. I soon learned, though, that the screen was only the beginning. There is so much more you can do with Android than with iOS - you can run custom ROMs, kernels and themes, making your phone look and function just about any way you want. I could go into details, but you're better off discovering for yourself. While the display alone would have made me pick the Galaxy Nexus, with the vast possibilities Android offers over iOS, it's a foregone conclusion in my opinion. Oh, one more thing... The Gnex has LTE 4G Internet, while the iPhone is only capable of 3G - you have to experience it to truly appreciate the difference. My advice is obvious - Gnex ftw
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Wtf do you think
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Do you honestly think you're going to get an overwhelming response telling you to get the iPhone... on a hacking forum... in the Galaxy Nexus subforum?

4s offer battery
GN offer 4g and large screen
both OS got apps.
my co-worker got a 4s and i got a GN... each day my GN at least charge once at work while he playing games without fear of getting low battery...

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I hate the lack of customization, tiny screen, and undersaturated colors on the iPhone.
And the Nexus is integrated much better with google products.

Iphone 3g.
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I had 4 then 4s then razr then went back to my 4s. Once I got the GN only thing I miss is the camera I find android much better OS for customization which I really enjoy doin with my phone. All comes down to preference of course.
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I own both right now if you need a camera go with the iPhone also if you play lots of games the iPhone will likely be your phone of choice. Everything else is about the same or better on the nexus. Ics is light years ahead of the iphones iOS 5 but like the guy Said up top this is an android hacking development forum for this phone.... so your not going to get the best results, I can say that the galaxy nexus received better reviews. Do some more research look at reviews and iPhone 4s vs Galaxy Nexus videos
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At first I was going to give you a hard time and tell you that if you even have to ask you should get the iPhone. But then I remembered that when I went from the iPhone to the Nexus One, I absolutely hated and regretted it. But here I am 3 years later and on my 4th straight Android phone and I will tell you that you are going to love it. No matter what, just give it time.

If people knew how to use the camera on the gnex there wouldnt be much difference. The fast shutter mode is what causes the inconsistent pictures. If you hold the camera button and let it focus, it will take a great picture.

Apple as a company, has a far different mind set when compared to companies like Google.
Apple stands behind their product.. period!.. and they are more interested in quality and innovative products.. (hardware and software wise).. than in mass production of low quality items that have potential to become very popular in the short run.
If you were like me.. desperately waiting for the GNEX since their announcement in October.. you would have seen how miserable Google was and still is.. when it comes to controlling and showing some interest for perfecting their flagship device. They are miserable in that. After all they are a search Engine company at their core that rely on advertisements.
Apple is not like that.. They cater to their home market FIRST.. They dictate their terms to the carriers.. and they never NEVER compromise on design and functionality.
If Apple doesn't do something.. (like 4G LTE).. yet.. then there is a good solid reason why. (the answer is pretty obvious when it comes to the current generation LTE chips)..
iOS is far more advanced and better integrated than Android will ever be. .. that is because at the core level.. Android relies on Java to linux conversion.. and has a severe draw back when it comes to Graphics rendering.
This is why Android phones MUST have dual core processors and higher RAM..
Thanks to clever marketing.. this gets disguised as if Android is making quantum leaps with packing more power into smartphones..
But reality is in front of you. The Galaxy Nexus has severe lags in many cases..
an underclocked iphone 4s will run pretty much ANYTHING much MUCH better than any android device.. period!..
Not to mention.. an iphone 4s out of the box will give you a 170 Linpack score... a score that others can only dream of.
If you love tinkering with your phone.. if you love installing custom roms (that still suck at many levels).. and if you love to be on a constant quest to de-bug your phone and installing third party apps just to make your phone function the way it was supposed to out of the box.. then Android is for you.
If you are more interested in having a bug-free.. slick interface and integration with all apps and the OS... along with a state of the art hardware.. then Apple it is.
My biggest concern with the iphone 4s was the screen size and 3G speeds.
Trust me.. smartphones currently do not necessarily NEED 4G speeds. I would still have loved a slightly larger screen size on my iphone.. but I love the fact that the phone is compact and slick. 3G speeds on Verizon are plenty enough to stream you-tube videos without much delay even in HD.... same with the Browser.. all thanks to intense optimization in ios.
For what it is worth.. I used to be an android developer.. and I used to tear apart Android ROMs and build them from scratch.
I've jumped over to the iphone 4s.. and I'm never looking back.

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Apple as a company, has a far different mind set when compared to companies like Google.
Apple stands behind their product.. period!.. and they are more interested in quality and innovative products.. (hardware and software wise).. than in mass production of low quality items that have potential to become very popular in the short run.
If you were like me.. desperately waiting for the GNEX since their announcement in October.. you would have seen how miserable Google was and still is.. when it comes to controlling and showing some interest for perfecting their flagship device. They are miserable in that. After all they are a search Engine company at their core that rely on advertisements.
Apple is not like that.. They cater to their home market FIRST.. They dictate their terms to the carriers.. and they never NEVER compromise on design and functionality.
If Apple doesn't do something.. (like 4G LTE).. yet.. then there is a good solid reason why. (the answer is pretty obvious when it comes to the current generation LTE chips)..
iOS is far more advanced and better integrated than Android will ever be. .. that is because at the core level.. Android relies on Java to linux conversion.. and has a severe draw back when it comes to Graphics rendering.
This is why Android phones MUST have dual core processors and higher RAM..
Thanks to clever marketing.. this gets disguised as if Android is making quantum leaps with packing more power into smartphones..
But reality is in front of you. The Galaxy Nexus has severe lags in many cases..
an underclocked iphone 4s will run pretty much ANYTHING much MUCH better than any android device.. period!..
Not to mention.. an iphone 4s out of the box will give you a 170 Linpack score... a score that others can only dream of.
If you love tinkering with your phone.. if you love installing custom roms (that still suck at many levels).. and if you love to be on a constant quest to de-bug your phone and installing third party apps just to make your phone function the way it was supposed to out of the box.. then Android is for you.
If you are more interested in having a bug-free.. slick interface and integration with all apps and the OS... along with a state of the art hardware.. then Apple it is.
My biggest concern with the iphone 4s was the screen size and 3G speeds.
Trust me.. smartphones currently do not necessarily NEED 4G speeds. I would still have loved a slightly larger screen size on my iphone.. but I love the fact that the phone is compact and slick. 3G speeds on Verizon are plenty enough to stream you-tube videos without much delay even in HD.... same with the Browser.. all thanks to intense optimization in ios.
For what it is worth.. I used to be an android developer.. and I used to tear apart Android ROMs and build them from scratch.
I've jumped over to the iphone 4s.. and I'm never looking back.
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Yaaaaawwnn.
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Don't know what you've got, til it's gone.

Okay, so it's not gone but the half hour I was forced to spend with android was miserable. Today, despite my better suggestions, my cousin bought a GN. He's not much of a techie, so he asked me to flash android revolution onto his device. Okay, rom-flashing, I used to be an addict. I took his phone, tinkered around, and physically cringed at the sight of the lag. I struggled past my initial disgust, I mean I had to attempt to improve the mess he got himself into. So, I get on the comp, download the files, and realize just how tedious all of this is. I do everything, get it flashed, hand it back to him. I don't care to see it, I feel violated enough having done that. I had to preserve the sanctity of my smartphone integrity. He takes it back and is in awe, so, he shows me how much faster it is. I suppose that I'm spoiled by quality, but it seemed slow even then. Hardly any smoother. I mean, I honestly think the first Gen trophy would have been better, he said the rep told them they haven't carried a windows phone in 3 years. Verizon really needs some better options, I hastily rushed back to the warm confines of my functional OS with suggestions to just utilize buyers remorse and pick up a focus S, a noteworthy upgrade. After using my WP7 before he was sold, but ATT sucks in his region.

I have the same experience from a slightly different angle. I am a big wp7 fan and currently tote an HTC titan which I love. I also had an ipad, my sister had a Motorola XOOM, she is a big fan of apple stuff so suggested we swap tablets, I agreed and am now the proud(?) Owner of a XOOM, and the thing drives me nuts, it lags, the browsing experience is laggy and horrible, the keyboard lags in the browser the interface is messy, I loathe the bloody thing but my sister will not swap back. People keep telling me I should flash the latest nightly eos ics version on my XOOM, but I run my own 24/7 business and don't have enough hours in the day to spend mucking about with something that should not deliver this sort of experience out of the box. On the upside, it supports flash so it is good for the bbc player, for everything else, I use my titan.

I find the OP a bit too convenient, I've used a GN and it was a great experience. I have no idea why you would want to flash that phone!
Now if this was the Verizon GN then it's no secret that this is Verizon's doing, you can read about it on any tech website. So in that case the mistake would be investing in anything other than the unlock GN, nothing to do with the actual "real" device or ICS.
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@adesonic I suggest you swap back the tablets in her sleep. WP is great but as far as tablets go, there's the iPad and the rest. I'm not even sure ICS on the Xoom would make it that much better.
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Honestly, i know exactly how refreshing it is to use a WP7 device coming from months of nerd raging, flashing and all sort of sufferings. Now i'm a 24/7 WP7 user and i feel fine with this, BUT: don't you ever phisically cringe whenever you have to plug your phone to a pc just in order to sideload an app? Ok, you shouldn't need that often, but what about multitasking? Don't you ever phisically cringe when you, for example, are using both the XDA App (painful to use on WP7 to say the least) and the browser, and when switching between the two you have to stare for a few seconds at a black loading screen before the XDA App reloads, generally wiping the text you just typed? What about having to pay in order to have a decent YouTube app on your phone? What about having to pay in order to have a decent gps navigation experience (unless you're on a Nokia device)? Both worlds are painful at some extent. Right now for my kind of usage it's way less painful to use a WP7 device, but you cannot expect that every single user will feel the same: we all have different needs.
On a side note, guess what kind of users are generally browsing XDA right now? I'll better take cover before another troll war starts rocking the topic...

Android's for customizing and hacking... out of the box, it's colorful bull****. If I would have to use TouchWiz or that LG-UI everyday, it would drive me insane!
I have a Samsung Omnia 7 (Stock ofc, but with some hacks e.g. tethering) , Samsung Galaxy SII (MIUI) and an Asus Eee Pad Transformer (revolver ROM). The device I use regularly is, as you might be able to guess, the Omnia 7.
The Transformer is only used as an E-Reader and for Movies (but it does that quite good!), the Galaxy SII is for flashing around and customizing. Not even music or anything on it, call me crazy
And my Windows Phone, well thats to actually get the work done.

Again the GN is pure android out of the box (unless it's from Verizon) and it works great. Since that's the phone mentioned in the OP I have to defend it. I would still rather buy a Lumia 900 or Focus S if they were sold in Europe but I can recognise ICS as a great OS.
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z33dev33l said:
Okay, so it's not gone but the half hour I was forced to spend with android was miserable. Today, despite my better suggestions, my cousin bought a GN. He's not much of a techie, so he asked me to flash android revolution onto his device. Okay, rom-flashing, I used to be an addict. I took his phone, tinkered around, and physically cringed at the sight of the lag. I struggled past my initial disgust, I mean I had to attempt to improve the mess he got himself into. So, I get on the comp, download the files, and realize just how tedious all of this is. I do everything, get it flashed, hand it back to him. I don't care to see it, I feel violated enough having done that. I had to preserve the sanctity of my smartphone integrity. He takes it back and is in awe, so, he shows me how much faster it is. I suppose that I'm spoiled by quality, but it seemed slow even then. Hardly any smoother. I mean, I honestly think the first Gen trophy would have been better, he said the rep told them they haven't carried a windows phone in 3 years. Verizon really needs some better options, I hastily rushed back to the warm confines of my functional OS with suggestions to just utilize buyers remorse and pick up a focus S, a noteworthy upgrade. After using my WP7 before he was sold, but ATT sucks in his region.
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What is a "GN" ? Did he also sign a contract for a piece of hardware, or can he use whatever he finds on craigslist with his carrier ?
Apparently there are wp devices being sold, I see one or two a week on my local craigslist.

How convenient, Zee can't answer his lies in the Q&A forum, so he comes here for confirmations.
Smh, i tested my Nexus S against a Focus S, and my Nexus S running stock ICS not modded in anyway was smoother at everything. Shocking! ICS is really astonishing.
Also the 720p display on the GN is forcing the GPU to work 2.4x harder.
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I've seen a lot of reviews of gn and haven't seen any lag. Are you sure it was the Samsung galaxy nexus ?
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karan1203 said:
I've seen a lot of reviews of gn and haven't seen any lag. Are you sure it was the Samsung galaxy nexus ?
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http://www.bgr.com/2012/01/16/galaxy-nexus-users-plagued-by-random-reboots/
This was posted 6 minutes before your post.

A lot of people don't mention the GN's lag because they're comparing it to other android phones. 3 or 4 years in and google still can't create a gpu accelerated UI? Tragic.

vetvito said:
How convenient, Zee can't answer his lies in the Q&A forum, so he comes here for confirmations.
Smh, i tested my Nexus S against a Focus S, and my Nexus S running stock ICS not modded in anyway was smoother at everything. Shocking! ICS is really astonishing.
Also the 720p display on the GN is forcing the GPU to work 2.4x harder.
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Focus S against Nexus S? kidding me?
Do a Nexus S vs Titan.

drupad2drupad said:
Focus S against Nexus S? kidding me?
Do a Nexus S vs Titan.
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He also mentioned android's new hardware accelerated UI in the other thread -_-... At the rate they're going, that'll be coming around when they're running through the alphabet for names a second time.

The Galaxy Nexus is amazing. Its smooth and the UI is incredible. I absolutely love the face that it has soft.buttons, and they made multitasking amazing in it.
But I cannot use a phone that big, ever. Its truly huge. Also the camera leaves something to be desired.
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Focus S against Nexus S? kidding me?
Do a Nexus S vs Titan.
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Does that really matter? I don't think that the additional 100 MHz packed by the Titan would matter that much. Anyway, be it smooth or not in the UI, it's quite sure the Nexus S won't be as consistent as a WP7 device (regardless the hardware) in terms of smoothness throughout all the OS and especially when using third party apps.

Answer Android UI is hardware accelerates. Why does Z need to tell Android shards to validate his choice of Windows Phone?
Polly gonna go in carrier stores play more tomorrow abduction thwarting Windows probes are thwarting only ones I'm sure I won't touch because if you have a first gen device there's almost no reason ti buy a new one anyways.
Played with all the AT&T new Windows phones. They didn't incite or when interest me.
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The OP is talking about lags and having to root to make it better, your post is about the size and camera....troll much?
EDIT: he changed his post right quick!

N8ter said:
Answer Android UI is hardware accelerates. Why does Z need to tell Android shards to validate his choice of Windows Phone?
Polly gonna go in carrier stores play more tomorrow abduction thwarting Windows probes are thwarting only ones I'm sure I won't touch because if you have a first gen device there's almost no reason ti buy a new one anyways.
Played with all the AT&T new Windows phones. They didn't incite or when interest me.
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Even most android fanboys aren't lying about the addition of hardware acceleration.
While I'm happy with my Lumia 800 and focus flash (titan broke, damn HTC and their crappy build quality) perhaps you should wait for the lumia 900. I wish I could've gotten some hands on time with that marvel of cellular technology at CES.

It is hardware accellerated. Stop living in 2010.
The UI latency you keep bringing up is invisible to most consumers and really, I didn't notice it when I spent over an hour in every carrier store Saturday morning/afternoon and played with the Galaxy Nexus. The UI is amazing, and it's smooth as hell. It also has 32GB internal storage and treats it the same as WP7 and iOS (everything on the same storage, no more small App partitions). It's an amazing device. I just think it's too damn big. Updates come way faster to the Galaxy Nexus than to any Windows Phone. With Android having a good UI now, I'm actually considering getting that device (I had sort of sworn off of it after the Vibrant, which is why I got the HD7). Android 4.0 has Native MTP support as well, which negates the need for USB MS as the device can sync natively to Windows Media Player (Music, Podcasts, Pictures, Video) - something not even WP7 can do (needs a redundant app for that). That has always been a negative for Android, but it's gone now...
The Lumia 900 will have the same crappy hardware as basically every other Mango device, it will just be huge, use a now "getting kind of old/overused" design, and have LTE - which isn't even available to most people here (so waste battery life for a capability that isn't possible to use, thanks but no thanks). It will even still have a WVGA resolution in a qHD and (becoming) 720p world, which looked terrible as all hell on the Titan screen when I played with it (made the Focus Flash screen look like a Retina Display by comparison).
The main issue is the OS, the device builds are not top notch but that's a different beast. The OS has grown boring to me, and I will be forced to carry 3 devices if I continue to use WP7. That's become unacceptable to me. I'm going to another platform so I can either use one device (if iPhone, I can ditch my iTouch and Android phone) or two (if Android, then I can carry my Android device and my tiny iPod Touch) instead of the situation I'm in now. I'm leaning towards iPhone, because of iMessage, FaceTime, and the fact that 80% of the people I know use iPhones now.
And yes, HTC is notorious for their crappy build quality. The only value they bought to Android was Sense, back when the Android UI was TRULY terrible. Other than that, their devices aren't anything to write home about.
The only area of pause with the Galaxy Nexus is the Camera and lack of a Camera Shutter button.
T-Mobile 3G here is giving me edge speeds with a full 3G signal, so I need to switch carriers next month when I switch phones, as well. I'm tired of their terrible network. Went home for a week last week and couldn't even make a call 90% of the time, or send a text. Had almost no reception. They should have let AT&T buy them.

nexus 7 vs GS4 gaming?

I own both and would like to sell one.
im either going to have an iphone5 and nexus 7
or a Gs4 and ipad 3 combo.
Please note I own all 4 devices at the moment.
So far from my testing with emulators the gs4 beat the nexus 7.
but play store app ran about the same with the nexus 7 being faster to load a few games half a second faster.
I LIKE TO HAVE OPTIONS BY HAVING BOTH OS.
which combo I should go with for my gaming?

Just my .02 cents...if you're going to sell off devices, do so so that you're left to deal with only one app/os ecosystem... It'll save you from having to buy the same apps twice and syncing capability would oughweigh any advantage of leaving one toe in the water. But hey, I'm just the old guy who believes in simplicity... I don't want to think about my cell phone and tablet as much as most people seem to want to...these devices are supposed to make our lives simpler...not more complex
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Personally, I'd go for a complete ecosystem deal. Jailbroken iDevices do have access to emulators. By choosing them, you aren't choosing against having emulators, but it will be a bit more of a hassle to get them working the way you like. It'd probably be easiest to leave the iPad on the latest jailbroken iOS version, while updating the iPhone to the latest.
However, the whole jailbreak game is the reason I left the iDevice ecosystem. It was a constant game of cat and mouse- I never owned my phone, and it never stayed the way I wanted it fully. It was a constant process of having new iOS versions released, then a tethered jailbreak comes out, so I have to be paranoid about crashing my phone or something, then finally an untethered one comes out, then you wait for your jailbreak apps to update to become compatible, then the next iOS version comes out. It's awful. If Apple allowed the jailbreak community to do what they want and offered support, much like Google often does, then I likely would still be using iOS.
When I had an iPhone 4 and Nexus 7 2012, the devices synced together miserably. Google's apps on iOS mostly suck (such as Chrome and the gmail one, and Apple's mail client isnt that great for Gmail), so things like open tabs, bookmarks, or anything like that just wouldn't sync. I found that I eventually began to use my Nexus 7 almost exclusively, only using my iPhone to text and call. Otherwise, I'd just have it tethered to my tablet.
In the end, I'd check what devices you are using more. While I am no Apple fan, they do make fine devices, so if you like their devices more there's no shame with going with them. If you're truly using both ecosystems a lot, and don't want to lose that, then my recommendation is the GS4 + iPad. The aspect ratio and screen size on the iPad make it much easier to use as a tablet. The GS4 will have nifty features such as texting from the desktop and custom software keyboards. The iPad will get the "high-end" games that Android often does not, while the GS4 will go great with something like a MOGA for emulated games, and be fast enough to push almost all older consoles well. The GS4 will also likely be your music player, so the expanded storage will be a godsend. You could also buy an extended battery, like the Zerolemon one, and get 3x the stock battery life.

The biggest reason I switch to Andriod was for the bigger size screen.
All my apple devices are jailbroken. And the reason i still have my iphone is because some app are 10x better on ios.
ios gets all the high end games while Andriod has the better emulators.
I use Sixaxis app on Andriod and Blutrol on ios so controllers are not an issue.
Most games I play are free and on both os and have cloud save.
Music I dont really care.
So now you know why I want to have both os.
Just trying to see what will fit better for me.
But i wanted ya thoughts on the matter.

I'd kill myself if my phone was from Apple. I could use an iPad tablet for leisure easier then a daily iPhone.
Sure keeping a single Eco system would be easier but I often thought of having an Android phone and a iPad for games.
However I do like Android and troubleshooting my gfs iPhone reminds me enough to stay away.
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S4 & nexus ftw
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From a purely gaming point of view you are better with keeping the iPad. That is def the best gaming systems among the 4. So I guess I'd go with GS4 and the iPad.
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IPhone 5&n7 definitely, n7 best gpu on tab atm
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Well I would go with the s4, and iPad I hate having different os types but that's for you to decide, iPad 3 is probably the best of all the iOS devices (other than iPad 4) and iPhone 5 is complete junk compared to the gs4.
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GS4 and IPAD thats a no brainer

I'm strongly considering GS4 and maybe the new ipad (5) when it comes out. (ipad 3 is getting outdated)
My only dislike on the GS4 is the lack of screen support for it. Like Real Racing 3 looks awful on both GS4 and NEXUS 7 running max graphics because the never updated for the screen resolution. Game looks very pixelated.
Hopefully with 4.3 out Android can get all the top-end games on it.

omf05 said:
I'm strongly considering GS4 and maybe the new ipad (5) when it comes out. (ipad 3 is getting outdated)
My only dislike on the GS4 is the lack of screen support for it. Like Real Racing 3 looks awful on both GS4 and NEXUS 7 running max graphics because the never updated for the screen resolution. Game looks very pixelated.
Hopefully with 4.3 out Android can get all the top-end games on it.
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Id do GS4, N7, and Ipad3. Different form factors and all.. In fact I am doing that now except substitute GS3 for 4. Since I got my N7, my ipad is getting lonely though

I love having an android tablet and an iPhone for my phone. The selection of games on iOS is staggeringly better than on Android. Gaming on my iPhone 5 is awesome and watching/listening to media and reading books on my Nexus is awesome.
Not sure why game development is ahead on iOS vs. Android (besides maybe simplicity in differing screen sizes), but the iOS devices get the cream of the crop for mobile gaming.
Just my observations of being on both OS's. I love emulation on the Android side much more, so if you are really into emulators, stick with Android for that.

LearnIIBurn said:
Not sure why game development is ahead on iOS vs. Android (besides maybe simplicity in differing screen sizes), but the iOS devices get the cream of the crop for mobile gaming.
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bc we are cheap-asses

IamPro said:
bc we are cheap-asses
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Hehe . I own a solid amount of software on both ecosystems. Mostly on iOS, but tons on Android too. It is a whole lot of fun living in both worlds at the same time. So many things Android does so much better than iOS, especially if your life revolves around Google services. There are so many things (mainly with games) that Apple has going really strong too. I just can't choose one exclusively.
I will say this though... as an Android user since Froyo, Jellybean is the first version I feel should be considered stable and retail. A real version 1.0 of Android if it was subversioned like that. I absolutely love 4.1 - 4.3. Great work here Google!