Hi,
I am writing this because iam confused about my phone, and what have i done with it.
After htcdev released unlocking bootlader for wildfire s. I tried the steps on htcdev and made my phone "***unlocked***" and my hbott is 1.09.0099. As you all know there is no possible solution to s-on. So I am stuck at there.
In this situation, I was unable to install custom roms because rom manager needed to install backup application(I cant remember the name), it needs root permission.
Now, Am i right to think I need to do s-off if i need to install mods backup app etc. or this is completely false and I am skipping something which brought me to "no s-off no root perm".
If above is false I am sorry to opening up thread like this. You can delete it.
But I was trying first solution here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374926" then I realised I can install custom rom from the backup application from there and I did. I installed cynagenmod 7-2-0 and when tried to install backup app and other apps which needs root perm. worked, in fact first backup app wanted perms from superuser then worked as it should be.
So what are we trying to achieve with s-off ? Is there more secret functions to get from android phones with s-off ?
Please forgive my lack of information with this stuff, I am just trying to help.
the main thing is that with s-off you have complete control over your phone, can flash system stuff and radio files and hboots (htcdev keeps the radio and hboots locked)
also to do htcdev you loose your warrenty, the hope is to get s-off and not lose warrenty.
Thanks, so Iam mistaken to think that.
You don't need S-OFF to get root, flash new ROMs, use CWM, install Titanium backup etc.
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I just rooted my HTC Desire using unrEVOked 3.21. Everything was fine. I had superuser permission and so on.
Than i had a sudden reboots. After reboot the N1 gallery crashed. N1 gallery might have cause the reboots. So i remove it and everything is fine till now.
I wanted to load a custom rom. I boot in to bootloader and notice that its s-on.
My question is can I load custom roms with s-on. How come I'm s-on and I have root access. If everything is fine, than what does this s-on do. I'm new at all this, so please bare with me.
Thank you.
harvin23 said:
I just rooted my HTC Desire using unrEVOked 3.21. Everything was fine. I had superuser permission and so on.
Than i had a sudden reboots. After reboot the N1 gallery crashed. N1 gallery might have cause the reboots. So i remove it and everything is fine till now.
I wanted to load a custom rom. I boot in to bootloader and notice that its s-on.
My question is can I load custom roms with s-on. How come I'm s-on and I have root access. If everything is fine, than what does this s-on do. I'm new at all this, so please bare with me.
Thank you.
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S-Off = Full root ( Not really necessary unless you want to write to system and stuff while in Android. you can also change your splash screen if you would like)
S-On with root by unrevoked = Flash custom roms, radios, kernels, etc..
S-On is Sercurity On which means that the System files are only Read-Only.
S-Off uses AlphaRev's Hboot as this removes S-On. Its the Only way to get S-Off. I just S-Offed myself yesterday. It was scary at first but i really think its a good thing as you can use Metamorph/NinjaMorph or stuff.
I'd recommend just keep this information and when you get used to clockworkmod recovery then S-Off.
Remember that to get into recovery you must boot into Bootloader then scroll to Recovery with the volume up and down buttons then press the power down.
Oh, and to scroll between the clockworkmod menu, just use the trackpad. I also would not ecommend using Rom Manager as i remember the first time i used it and booted into recovery i was scqred to death as it brought me to a attention thing. I was scared to death.
Have Fun
shockem said:
S-Off = Full root ( Not really necessary unless you want to write to system and stuff while in Android. you can also change your splash screen if you would like)
S-On with root by unrevoked = Flash custom roms, radios, kernels, etc..
S-On is Sercurity On which means that the System files are only Read-Only.
S-Off uses AlphaRev's Hboot as this removes S-On. Its the Only way to get S-Off. I just S-Offed myself yesterday. It was scary at first but i really think its a good thing as you can use Metamorph/NinjaMorph or stuff.
I'd recommend just keep this information and when you get used to clockworkmod recovery then S-Off.
Remember that to get into recovery you must boot into Bootloader then scroll to Recovery with the volume up and down buttons then press the power down.
Oh, and to scroll between the clockworkmod menu, just use the trackpad. I also would not ecommend using Rom Manager as i remember the first time i used it and booted into recovery i was scqred to death as it brought me to a attention thing. I was scared to death.
Have Fun
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Thank you so much.. That was really usefull information bro... you mention that my system files are read only with unrEVOked... yday i used root explorer to change some system files... could that be the cause my device rebooted...
another thing i want to know is that i want to install busybox.. do i need s-off to do this... if i ever hard/soft reset will the busybox also be removed...
and i also removed some stock applications... will they also be reinstalled if i reset my HTC desire...
You dont need S-OFF to install busybox. Dont worry about S-OFF. Most power users dont need it. It's more a liability.
Stock apps may be reinstalled with choosing to install a ROM which includes them. Most ROMS have addon files with stock apps. Or you may choose and pick from a ROM Kitchen.
harvin23 said:
Thank you so much.. That was really usefull information bro... you mention that my system files are read only with unrEVOked... yday i used root explorer to change some system files... could that be the cause my device rebooted...
another thing i want to know is that i want to install busybox.. do i need s-off to do this... if i ever hard/soft reset will the busybox also be removed...
and i also removed some stock applications... will they also be reinstalled if i reset my HTC desire...
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No problem Last time when i rooted without S-Off, i tried copying things around the system folders and it never worked. That might and should have been the cause of your reboots. The rest of it has been answered by Droidzone
thanks guys for all the information... i just download a new custom rom and was going to flash it... but there is something bothering me... its the radio... the custom rom has different radio... will the radio change once i install the custom... is there any complications...
what is the things i need to consider before flashing a rom... im really sorry guys but this phone cost RM2000 (Malaysian Ringgit)... i dont want screw it... just taking precautions...
thanks for all the help guys...
harvin23 said:
thanks guys for all the information... i just download a new custom rom and was going to flash it... but there is something bothering me... its the radio... the custom rom has different radio... will the radio change once i install the custom... is there any complications...
what is the things i need to consider before flashing a rom... im really sorry guys but this phone cost RM2000 (Malaysian Ringgit)... i dont want screw it... just taking precautions...
thanks for all the help guys...
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Flashing a ROM is not a big deal. If something happens to go wrong, you can always revert to the Nandroid restore. Custom ROMs often come with different Radios. Just install whichever Radio the developer recommends, and it should go smoothly.
At times a ROM may have different Radios for different functions. Like, if you want the phone running faster, use one radio. If you want more battery life, use another and so on.
If you've already rooted, flashing a new ROM wont create any more trouble than you're already in. Just dont be that hasty to do S-OFF. It's S-OFF that often leads to softbricks (usually).
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Flashing a ROM is not a big deal. If something happens to go wrong, you can always revert to the Nandroid restore. Custom ROMs often come with different Radios. Just install whichever Radio the developer recommends, and it should go smoothly.
At times a ROM may have different Radios for different functions. Like, if you want the phone running faster, use one radio. If you want more battery life, use another and so on.
If you've already rooted, flashing a new ROM wont create any more trouble than you're already in. Just dont be that hasty to do S-OFF. It's S-OFF that often leads to softbricks (usually).
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^^
but ussually i dont really do nandroid restore's because i keep lots of Roms for backup in case one does go wrong. Its best to do both
I have a problem which I think is a bit unusual and can't find any similar cases...
My Desire has S-Off with HBoot 0.75, the intalled 2.1 is not rooted. I am trying to get it onto a Froyo ROM (will not OTA update).
I have tried rooting using unrevoked, to allow me to back up the existing ROM before messing about with other ROMs, but it does not work (I receive the "Validation Error: Backup CID is missing" error).
- Am I wasting my time trying to root the existing ROM just to back it up?
- If I use the HBoot method to install a new ROM, am I likely to run into problems because of the old HBoot version (I notice most S-Off methods put you on HBoot 0.93, but as I cannot root I cannot update HBoot!)?
I have done lots of searching on this forum and various others, but cannot find a situation where somebody has an old HBoot, with S-Off and a non-rooted ROM installed, so any help would really be appreciated.
Post in the S-OFF thread in Development as it sounds like you're on a Dev phone which has a factory unlocked bootloader. A few people coming up with these now
I managed to root and install cm7rc1 with the newest radio and when i went back into fastboot, I noticed that S-ON was activated again. did a search and discovered that crazy HTC sets security and somehow i undid my S-OFF. I was going to use the .exploid root method but i can't write to the phone anymore. I think i still have clockworkmod recovery. so am i still rooted? can i even flash an OTA update. any suggestions? thanks.
(update: in my haste i forgot the search, i'll delete this if i find a solution)
To figure out if you still have root you can go into Terminal and type "su" if superuser comes up, you accept and it changes the symbol to a # then you're still root but you may not be S-OFF anymore.
First off if u just rooted it it will still have s on the only way to get soff is wilt the alpharev exploit and only way to lose soff is to reflash the hboot and cm7 does not do that so I think u never had soff unless u did the alpharev
After much reading I think I finally understand. I've been spoiled with the nexus one which obviously doesn't have this problem. This is my wife's phone. I thought that after rooting I would get s-off. Anyway, I guess without s-off I have to always update.zip into clockworkmod recovery to flash a cm rom? I am still unclear how to alpharev. Sounds like I need to burn a utility CD and then the app automatically forces s-off. Will need to read more. Thanks for the replies/help
Ok, I have a rooted HTC Wildfire S. No custom Roms or anything I think, I just used the RUU I downloaded from HTCdev to unlock my bootloader.
Well here's my question. Well not my question but why I want to flash.
I want to flash my phone because I want a fresh installation with all the original HTC Wildfire S apps/widgets so I can use it as a back up, then from there install/remove what I want knowing there is a backup. I stupidly didn't backup the first time, although there is nothing wrong with my phone at this moment.
Now:
1) Is the file in this thread I have to use to flash my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426611
2) When flashing, will I have to root again? First time was a piss take you see.
3) I used a clockworld mod, or whatever it was. Will that be erased ?
4) I used a zergRush method or something before because I got a error 190 the first time, will I most likely have to use it again? and there was something about emptying zerg or something?
5) If I blindly wrote this thread and there is a thread already answering these questions or a walkthrough for flashing HTC Wildfire S after rooting please point me in the right direction, and don't be uptight. Thank You.
BTW: HTC Wildfire S A510e, unlocked bootloader, rooted. No custom rom. Again, Thanks.
ImMelting said:
Ok, I have a rooted HTC Wildfire S. No custom Roms or anything I think, I just used the RUU I downloaded from HTCdev to unlock my bootloader.
Well here's my question. Well not my question but why I want to flash.
I want to flash my phone because I want a fresh installation with all the original HTC Wildfire S apps/widgets so I can use it as a back up, then from there install/remove what I want knowing there is a backup. I stupidly didn't backup the first time, although there is nothing wrong with my phone at this moment.
Now:
1) Is the file in this thread I have to use to flash my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426611
2) When flashing, will I have to root again? First time was a piss take you see.
3) I used a clockworld mod, or whatever it was. Will that be erased ?
4) I used a zergRush method or something before because I got a error 190 the first time, will I most likely have to use it again? and there was something about emptying zerg or something?
5) If I blindly wrote this thread and there is a thread already answering these questions or a walkthrough for flashing HTC Wildfire S after rooting please point me in the right direction, and don't be uptight. Thank You.
BTW: HTC Wildfire S A510e, unlocked bootloader, rooted. No custom rom. Again, Thanks.
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You most likely won't have root unless its a "customized" ruu. But its very simple to root again from the method i used which literally took me 10 seconds to root again.
You can go ahead and run the ruu but if root is removed, I can give you a zip to flash to give you root again. A matter of fact just download the zip from here at http://fs05n2.sendspace.com/dl/4a931031cb660f43df9c30ae5e737d64/4f557f3e25ecb39d/2l50jw/root.zip
I am a new M8 user. I unlocked my boot loader, installed custom recovery and rooted the device. However, I can't achieve S-Off. It says that HTC has patched my device. I don't remember taking an OTA, however it may have done that when I first booted it out of the box. I then tried to install Xposed, however that did not work either. I found a method showing how to flash a file to make Xposed work on an S-On device, but that did not work either. I have two questions:
1) Is there any way currently for me to achieve S-Off
2) If I can't achieve S-Off, what good does rooting my device actually do since I can't seem to install anything?
Thanks.
ILowry282 said:
I am a new M8 user. I unlocked my boot loader, installed custom recovery and rooted the device. However, I can't achieve S-Off. It says that HTC has patched my device. I don't remember taking an OTA, however it may have done that when I first booted it out of the box. I then tried to install Xposed, however that did not work either. I found a method showing how to flash a file to make Xposed work on an S-On device, but that did not work either. I have two questions:
1) Is there any way currently for me to achieve S-Off
2) If I can't achieve S-Off, what good does rooting my device actually do since I can't seem to install anything?
Thanks.
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Since you didnt get any OTA, it means that the device you got was already updated with the last software by HTC.
1. Currently there is no way for getting S-OFF, dhe there is a bounty thread for a fix. (Check my signature)
2. S-OFF is needed only for special purposes like changing ur CID, removing the tampered banner. SIM Unlock etc.
You dont need S-OFF to flash custom ROMs etc.
Like above says, but i will add, double check you have root, and then look at the correct way to install xposed. you dont need s off to obtain root or install xposed and or roms.
I can confirm that xposed installs and runs fine with an s-on device. My friend has one and is running xposed with sense6 toolbox.
As a last resort if you simply can't get it installed, you could install a rom that already has it built in. There are several in the forums that have it.
So I don't need S-Off to install Viper One ROM?
no.
Can anyone tell me if viper rom allows individual notification tones in the stock messaging app?