everyday when I use the galaxy nexus my routine is.
before I sleep, I plug my phone to my phone charger and I pull it out after I wake up. so its basically charging for about 5-7 hours on average.
is this decreasing my battery life? because ever since I had the nexus, I did this and I have never had battery life compared to what people post on xda despite trying out roms/kernels.
so that was my first question.
my second question is, is flashing like getting a new device? after I flash, is the battery life suppose to be bad?
I constantly flash almost every other day and I'm not sure if this is the reason my battery life is so bad.
am I suppose to use my phone for couple weeks before I get good battery life?
btw. I have a cdma galaxy nexus .thanks
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1°) Is battery life reduced after long charging? This is a good question. I have no proof on that point but I think so. Continuing to keep current going through the battery once fully charged does not improve the battery capacity. The analysis I made on several smartphones shows that some of them stop the current while fully charged ( for example HTC touch Cruise) but most of them keep a charging current.
Samsung smartphones are difficult to analyse because they do not give any data on the current going through the battery
2°) Battery calibration will not improve the battery capacity: Once the battery capacity has been reduced, this is due to chemical changes in the battery, there are no way to repair it. What we could expect is to remove the battery shutdown artefact by adjusting internal parameters of the battery control circuit, so that the state of charge calculus will be more accurate again.
Some more details are given here: http://78michel.unblog.fr/htc-desire-battery-shutdown-analysis/ and in some other pages on this blog
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1°) Is battery life reduced after long charging? This is a good question. I have no proof on that point but I think so. Continuing to keep current going through the battery once fully charged does not improve the battery capacity. The analysis I made on several smartphones shows that some of them stop the current while fully charged ( for example HTC touch Cruise) but most of them keep a charging current.
Samsung smartphones are difficult to analyse because they do not give any data on the current going through the battery
2°) Battery calibration will not improve the battery capacity: Once the battery capacity has been reduced, this is due to chemical changes in the battery, there are no way to repair it. What we could expect is to remove the battery shutdown artefact by adjusting internal parameters of the battery control circuit, so that the state of charge calculus will be more accurate again.
Some more details are given here: http://78michel.unblog.fr/htc-desire-battery-shutdown-analysis/ and in some other pages on this blog
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thanks for the answer to questions1.
but I think I may have written question number 2 in a bad way which was not what I intended. I did not mean to ask if battery calibration increased battery life.
most people already know that it does not.
what I am asking is if battery life is suppose to be calibrated(?) right after you flash a new rom or kernel.
I asked this because I flash a lot and don't get good battery life. I'm not sure if its my device that is the problem or the constant flashing that causes this.
I have currently stopped flashing for 2 days now so I will report back if that was the problem.
anyways thank you for the reply
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To answer question 2, you do not need to calibrate the battery and flashing roms does not consider your battery bad. The community here does have different opinions on calibration but it wasn't too long ago I read an article where google devs came out and told everyone this isn't really needed.
I have had a droid incredible and now the gnex, and have flashed numerous roms. I have never calibrated my battery and typically experience pretty good battery life AFTER I have played with the phone and set it up and stopped turning on the screen ever 2 minutes
To answer question #1:
The battery is a Lithium Ion battery. Lithium Ion batteries like to be charged. You should keep them above 10% as often as possible and ideally plugged when ever you can. These types of batteries last longer with a constant charge than with out, the full "Drains" kill Lithium Ion batteries faster and should only be done when you are calibrating the device (on the first charge or two).
The confusion comes from the old rechargeable Nickel Cadmium batteries which lasted longer if you did a full charge and discharge as these had a "memory".
As far as question #2 goes that is personal preference. I have flashed my GNex 6 or so times now and have had no issues when I didn't re-calibrate it.
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To answer question #1:
The battery is a Lithium Ion battery. Lithium Ion batteries like to be charged. You should keep them above 10% as often as possible and ideally plugged when ever you can. These types of batteries last longer with a constant charge than with out, the full "Drains" kill Lithium Ion batteries faster and should only be done when you are calibrating the device (on the first charge or two).
The confusion comes from the old rechargeable Nickel Cadmium batteries which lasted longer if you did a full charge and discharge as these had a "memory".
As far as question #2 goes that is personal preference. I have flashed my GNex 6 or so times now and have had no issues when I didn't re-calibrate it.
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so are you saying that its good to keep my phone plugged in while I sleep?
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so are you saying that its good to keep my phone plugged in while I sleep?
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Yes. Because of the way it the chemical reaction works it is better to keep it charged (plugged in at night).
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Yes. Because of the way it the chemical reaction works it is better to keep it charged (plugged in at night).
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ok thanks for the explanation
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Li-ion batteries decreases in capacity over time NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. (even if you don't use it)This is the down side in exchange for easy maintenance and high energy density.
In short, just use it normal, charge it when it gets low and stop worrying about the battery life.
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what I am asking is if battery life is suppose to be calibrated(?) right after you flash a new rom or kernel.
I asked this because I flash a lot and don't get good battery life. I'm not sure if its my device that is the problem or the constant flashing that causes this.
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I am not so clever with my English so I have not fully understood your 2nd question.
Flashing a new rom involve only the smartphone. Calibrating the battery is changing data stored inside the battery IC's memory.
These are two ''independant'' processes. The only relationship between them is that the some roms allows you to write in the battery memory and some others doesn't
What's average battery life you guys are getting with mod use ( variable term)?
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To answer question #1:
The battery is a Lithium Ion battery. Lithium Ion batteries like to be charged. You should keep them above 10% as often as possible and ideally plugged when ever you can. These types of batteries last longer with a constant charge than with out, the full "Drains" kill Lithium Ion batteries faster and should only be done when you are calibrating the device (on the first charge or two).
The confusion comes from the old rechargeable Nickel Cadmium batteries which lasted longer if you did a full charge and discharge as these had a "memory".
As far as question #2 goes that is personal preference. I have flashed my GNex 6 or so times now and have had no issues when I didn't re-calibrate it.
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remember 10% is not 10% displayed charge. 0% is about 25% as manufacturers take into consideration battery technologies when designing them. it is also quite dangerous to charge from 0-20% on a Lion battery as the chemical reaction has to be reactivated. and over charging can cause a fire.
All calibrating does is make the battery indicator more accurate, it doesn't increase the charge, the supplied chargers and phone tech will not allow overcharging, and the phone will not discharge a battery to below 25% as battery discharge below 25% will damage the cells.
if you are interested look into Lion charging in the RC world. we need balancing boards with controllers when charging multiple cells, and we have to put them in fire bag just in case. it will give you a greater understanding of how lion and charging works.
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Mine is pretty bad. I max out at 10 hours I'm trying Apex rom now hoping it will be better. Something tells me I need an extended battery.
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I am not so clever with my English so I have not fully understood your 2nd question.
Flashing a new rom involve only the smartphone. Calibrating the battery is changing data stored inside the battery IC's memory.
These are two ''independant'' processes. The only relationship between them is that the some roms allows you to write in the battery memory and some others doesn't
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Exactly right. And our nexus does not give us any access to the chip inside the battery, so there is no need to do any type of calibration with this phone. No roms can change this either due to the max17040 fuel gauge chip inside our batteries.
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what I am asking is if battery life is suppose to be calibrated(?) right after you flash a new rom or kernel.
I asked this because I flash a lot and don't get good battery life. I'm not sure if its my device that is the problem or the constant flashing that causes this.
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You got confused here. You are not calibrating the battery but how the OS interprets the battery data. The battery itself DOESN'T get calibrated. (And you cannot break a battery by flashing ROMs)
There's really nothing much you can do about the capacity of the battery itself as a normal user once it's been made in the factory.
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my battery seems to be only capable of 2 hours of screen time despite using 3g/wifi, no nfc, no bluetooth, no sync, etc.
but I can still live with it.
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diablous said:
remember 10% is not 10% displayed charge. 0% is about 25% as manufacturers take into consideration battery technologies when designing them. it is also quite dangerous to charge from 0-20% on a Lion battery as the chemical reaction has to be reactivated. and over charging can cause a fire.
All calibrating does is make the battery indicator more accurate, it doesn't increase the charge, the supplied chargers and phone tech will not allow overcharging, and the phone will not discharge a battery to below 25% as battery discharge below 25% will damage the cells.
if you are interested look into Lion charging in the RC world. we need balancing boards with controllers when charging multiple cells, and we have to put them in fire bag just in case. it will give you a greater understanding of how lion and charging works.
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Thanks for that! Didn't know it displayed it differently. I only know how the chemical reaction works and such.
NP fella, thing is Lion is new tech and people still see it by the standards of older battery tech so it's taken for granted that 0% is 0%, and 100% is 100%. where this wouldn't be possible as too many issues would crop up. in RC racing we basically learn it inside out, as Battery types are better for different things. Endurance racing needs Ni-Cad as i prefers a sustained drain and will slow the car near the end of the charge, but keep going with reduced acceleration, while Ni-MH batteries are good, as they have better acceleration due to there properties, but suffer from being fine and suddenly suffering poor acceleration, you have no warning like the last lap. While Li-on are brilliant for one and off acceleration like sprints, or twisty tracks, but run at max power right til the end then just stop dead.
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Too many people I’ve met have misconceptions, wrong understanding or simply no idea at all about how to maintain the batteries inside their new spanking new electronic gadgets. More often than not, it will be one of those nifty, super-slim lithium-ion variants. So I decided to write this little primer to help you, erm, I mean, your techno-phobic friends along.
Note that my recommendations are catered along the lines of practical convenience as well as pure battery maintenance facts alone. As with everything, there is often more than a way to skin a cat. I do try to explain my rationale behind my recommendations, so do try to read on before clobbering me on the head with your PhD in advanced materials science.
Tip #1: Lithium-ion batteries are limited by their life-spans
Found an e-bay offer for a lithium-ion battery pack for your ageing notebook or PDA at bargain prices? Or saw that battery pack for your gadget in its dusty sealed package at the corner store of the flea market? Before you jump and snap it up, be sure to first check the manufacturer date.
We all know that all batteries are limited by a finite number of charging “cycles”. However, it is a little publicized fact that the lifespan of lithium-ion batteries are also limited by their manufacture date.
Your lithium-ion battery starts dying the moment it leaves the factory
The fact is, your lithium-ion battery starts dying the moment it leaves the factory! Of course, the actual life-span of an unused lithium-ion battery can vary by a fair amount based on its internal charge as well as the external temperature. But suffice to say that you can expect to irreversibly lose 20% of a lithium-ion battery’s charge every year from its original date of manufacture.
PDA came with more than one spare battery? Take it out of its shrink-wrap and use it interchangeably – today. Thinking of buying a “spare” battery for use in future? Well, just save the money and buy it only when you are ready to use it.
Tip #2: Avoid allowing your device to discharge completely
Every wondered why your modern phone, PDA or iPod is able to cheerfully tell you that “Your battery is now exhausted” for several seconds on its brightly-lid LCD screen before switching off? The reason is simple; there is an artificial circuit that shuts off the device when the charge in the battery is too low.
This extraneous circuit is built to protect from the damage that could result if the charge of your lithium ion battery falls too low. If you still don’t get it: if the charge of your lithium ion battery falls too low, the battery can get irreversibly and permanently damaged. So since Lithium Ion has no “memory effect”, it is better to simply charge your portable device as and when you can or remember.
To set your mind at ease, a “charge cycle” means a single iteration of depleting followed by a re-charge until 100% of battery charge. If you consume 50% of your iPod’s battery on day 1, recharge to 100% at night, and do the same thing on day 2, then you would have just finished up one charge cycle of its battery life.
Constantly recharging a lithium ion battery does not shorten the battery life more than normal usage would
Hence constantly recharging a lithium ion battery does not shorten the battery life more than normal usage would. Avoid letting it sit on empty for too long; instead, keep it charged-up if you can.
Tip #3: Take the battery out of your notebook computer when connected to AC helps… not!
Well ok, actually, taking out the battery from your notebook computer might help, but the reason it does is not really what you think it is.
It is not because of over-charging as most people might believe. There are some really smart circuits monitoring your lithium ion battery (See reason #2 above), and these circuits also ensure that your precious lithium ion never gets overcharged.
However, if there is another killer of lithium ion batteries other than old-age, then it would be heat. Long term exposure of a lithium ion battery to temperatures higher than 40 degrees Celsius permanently reduces its total charge capacity by noticeable percentages chunks per year. Having said that, I would hazard that modern processor like the Centrino Duo runs quite coolly overall.
On the other hand, it is really painful to see someone plug their AC adapter to their laptop, carefully remove the battery and put it aside, then finally sit down and switch on their laptop. Then have someone trip over their AC adapter an hour into an unsaved document. Ouch.
Unless you are setting up the laptop at Wal-Mart or Carrefour to run practically 24/7 until its time to sell it off at “display unit” pricing, my recommendation would be to save yourself the trouble and just leave the battery in. Actually, I think the real motivation to take the battery out of shop display units is to prevent theft. Really, why make it so inconvenient for yourself when the battery will be literally unusable in a few years time.
Source: http://www.articlesbase.com/laptops...w-about-your-lithium-ion-battery-4346670.html
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Some also claimed that we should minimize the duration of the battery remain at high voltage (e.g. 4.2v / 100%). This is spoil the battery because the corrosion activities are relatively high when the battery is in high voltage/ full charge.
Put it short, after fully charge your battery, please use it ASAP. It won't give birth little baby battery if you leave it there with full charge
One way of Storing Battery for Long time
If you were to store your battery for a long time, discharge it to 40%. Keep it in a dry and cool place.
For me, my engineer friend teach me a way to keep battery, and i have tried this myself for last few years.
I put the battery into the industrial grade vacuum bag and vacuum it (almost no air in the package), then i store it in my refrigerator (around 0 -3 Celsius). I do this if i want to keep the battery there to sit few months.
NOTE: Make sure it is really a vacuum bag. Else the air in the bag will become moist and may spoil your battery. Careful
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brilliant post.
nice! Didnt know about the battery cycles!
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Cheers for the info. Knew a few things but still did Tip #3
thanks for tip #2.
have to change the habit.
thanx
everyday i learn something new. Brilliant post.
Thx for the lesson
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Original Here >> www . techatplay . com /?p=61
April 7th, 2007
Author: Paul Mah
This is a lot of very useful information. I can guarantee that I have always been misinformed on two out of three of these tips. Though really do hardly ever let my batteries discharge completely, and only remove my batter from my laptop when absolutely necessary. Still, nice to know so I know what not to do anymore!
Very good post and you are absolutely right about everything. Leaving the battery in a laptop for long periods of time with the computer being on generates an enormous amount of heat and kills cells within the battery. One thing I'd like to mention, however, is that you should always leave a lithium-ion based battery between 40-60% to have the longest battery life; 20-80% is a realistic range you should keep the battery in and is the next best thing. You never want to fully charge a battery, just like you should not let the battery die (cycling the battery would be something that should happen though if you are not getting the best of your battery life). Again, try not to have your battery passed 80% and not below 20%.
Another good tip is to not let your lithium-ion based devices (such as a GPS) in your car when it is hot out (or at all) because it will get hotter in your car than outside, your device's battery will be outside of its operating temperature and it will have cells that die out which will decrease the lifespan of your device's battery.
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20-80% is a realistic range you should keep the battery in and is the next best thing. You never want to fully charge a battery, just like you should not let the battery die (cycling the battery would be something that should happen though if you are not getting the best of your battery life). Again, try not to have your battery passed 80% and not below 20%.
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Thanks for the sharing guy. That means u never charge ur phone until full? u plug off middle of charging (when it about to reach 80%)? This is true, but i hardly implement it because normally i leave it charged overnight. But the best time i can do is to minimize the time my battery will remain at high percentage (90 - 100%).
Good advice but it's hard to be diligent, and like most people my phone charges overnight.
nice info mang.
nice info. many people didnt know this
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Thanks for the sharing guy. That means u never charge ur phone until full? u plug off middle of charging (when it about to reach 80%)? This is true, but i hardly implement it because normally i leave it charged overnight. But the best time i can do is to minimize the time my battery will remain at high percentage (90 - 100%).
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That's correct; I TRY not to charge my phone passed 80%, but that's obviously hard to do when you need your battery to last all day with use anyway. I try not to ever charge it overnight either.
Excellent reading, thank you for your time and effort in posting this.
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Very good post and you are absolutely right about everything. Leaving the battery in a laptop for long periods of time with the computer being on generates an enormous amount of heat and kills cells within the battery. One thing I'd like to mention, however, is that you should always leave a lithium-ion based battery between 40-60% to have the longest battery life; 20-80% is a realistic range you should keep the battery in and is the next best thing. You never want to fully charge a battery, just like you should not let the battery die (cycling the battery would be something that should happen though if you are not getting the best of your battery life). Again, try not to have your battery passed 80% and not below 20%.
Another good tip is to not let your lithium-ion based devices (such as a GPS) in your car when it is hot out (or at all) because it will get hotter in your car than outside, your device's battery will be outside of its operating temperature and it will have cells that die out which will decrease the lifespan of your device's battery.
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good info. this is the first time i read this. where did you find this info? any reference links?
informative post & I assumed draining battery fully helped in longer battery life.
It actually seems like a rip-off afer reading thiss post XD
Thank you for the information.
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?????? Believe it or not ??????
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Lmao thats like a whole day of charging.
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Lmao thats like a whole day of charging.
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Hahaha ....
Funny..
Why not hole night ....????
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Its like you are calibrating your battery again and again... I hav evn seen a thread a same like this for my psp years ago and it worked on it... Still to test on my phone
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I can't find any logical reason to explain how this method will work. I'm a chemist student, and I know the technology which used in our battery. as far as I know, charge our battery longer than its full time will decrease our battery life.
btw, it may sounds silly. after some years, we'll found that our battery power decreased. it will drain quicker than usual. if this happen, we may wrap our battery into a plastic bag then put it into freezer for 3-7 days.
I don't think bump charging is such a good idea. Bump charging kills your battery over time. I'll link an article later about it, soon as I find it.
Tapatalked.
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...as far as I know, charge our battery longer than its full time will decrease our battery life. ...
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I don't think bump charging is such a good idea. Bump charging kills your battery over time. I'll link an article later about it, soon as I find it.
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charge more than necessary is a bad idea. if you have good phone, they have overcharge protection circuit that cut charge current. so charge over 100% only waste your time and electric bill. if you have bad phone, that make your battery overcharge, and that's very2 bad. bump charge maybe can fooling protection circuit, but that's make your battery overcharge.
here is my tips, it will double your battery capacities.
- charge your battery until 100%
- unplug your charger, turn off phone if still on
- go to your local store, and buy new battery
- swap your battery and charge your new battery
ok, that's a joke. but it's a good idea if you far from electric for few days. and if you use your phone for years, buy extra battery after 6 month to 1 year after your phone release is a good idea (if you have extra money of course) because it's cheaper (a lot of supply in market).
Here's the article. http://byrong.com/PowerTesting/
It's pretty long so I'll post the important points here.
Interestingly enough, improvements in battery management technology have compounded the average user’s perception of this problem. Older phones were rather inelegant in their charging behavior; usually filling the battery to capacity and then switching to a trickle current to maintain the highest charge possible. This offered the highest usage time in the short-term, but was damaging the battery over the course of ownership. As explained at Battery University, “The time at which the battery stays at [maximum charge] should be as short as possible. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.”[1]
This is why many new phones will “lose” up to 10% within a few minutes of coming off the charger. The reality is that the battery was only at 100% capacity for a brief moment, after which the battery management system allowed it to slowly dip down to around 90%. Leaving the phone plugged in overnight does not make a difference: the phone only uses the wall current to maintain a partial charge state.
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Bump It. Or Should You?
One technique that has gained popularity in the user community is "bump charging." To bump charge a device, turn it off completely, and plug it into a charger. Wait until the indicator light shows a full charge (on the ADR6300, for example, the charging LED changes from amber to green) but do not yet turn the device back on. Instead, disconnect and immediately reconnect the power cord. The device will now accept more charge before saying it is full. This disconnect/reconnect process can be repeated multiple times, each time squeezing just a little bit more into the battery. Does it work?
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The answer, of course, is that bump charging definitely works.
So what does it all mean?
If you absolutely need the highest capacity on a device like this, you will need to bump charge. There are currently people experimenting with "fixes" for this, but I have yet to see one that works. Be warned, however, that repeated bump charging will wear your battery faster and begin to reduce its capacity. If you are a "power user" who will buy a new battery a few months from now anyway, this presumably isn't a concern. If you are an average consumer who uses a device for a few years, I would recommend that you stay away from bump charging. The bottom line is that you don't really "need" to do it unless you are actually depleting your battery to 0% on a regular basis.
If you are someone who can top off your phone on a regular basis, do it. Plug it in when you're at home. Plug it in when you're at your desk. As explained by Battery University, "Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory."[2]
Beyond that, the best advice I can offer is to stop paying such close attention to your battery gauge and to just use your phone. Charge it whenever you can, and then stop obsessing over the exact numbers. If you really need more usage time, buy an extended-capacity battery and use it normally.
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Still pretty long, but worth reading.
I don't believe it:''(
Hehehe..:-[:-[:-[
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charge more than necessary is a bad idea. if you have good phone, they have overcharge protection circuit that cut charge current. so charge over 100% only waste your time and electric bill. if you have bad phone, that make your battery overcharge, and that's very2 bad. bump charge maybe can fooling protection circuit, but that's make your battery overcharge.
here is my tips, it will double your battery capacities.
- charge your battery until 100%
- unplug your charger, turn off phone if still on
- go to your local store, and buy new battery
- swap your battery and charge your new battery
ok, that's a joke. but it's a good idea if you far from electric for few days. and if you use your phone for years, buy extra battery after 6 month to 1 year after your phone release is a good idea (if you have extra money of course) because it's cheaper (a lot of supply in market).
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+1 its all just wast our time and decrease the battery life. i think use a tweak script is enough
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+1 its all just wast our time and decrease the battery life. i think use a tweak script is enough
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Agree with u :-\:-\
Ive read through XDA that bump charging increases your battery life but reduces the battery's life span
Welcome back stamatis. Yes, if you read my post in the first page it explains how.
Tapatalked.
When I got my one x roughly two weeks ago, battery life wasn't really that good. 8 hours max with a couple of hours of screen time. But I always calibrate my battery. When I got it I charged it for 8 hours then drained it then did the same thing for a whole week just using the phone till the battery runs out and then charge it for 5 hours... Now battery life is very good, EASILY last me through a whole day with moderate to heavy usage. Lots of tapatalk 2, browsing, messaging and emails. I'm also running ARHD rom so that also help but nonetheless battery calibration is important so do it people
Never calibrated or whatever, have excellent (for me) battery life.
I thought we got over this myth.....
OP, do you have some supporting evidence, or even logic, that shows that doing exactly what you shouldn't do with a li-po battery has a positive effect?. Have you A /B tested it against another handset where you treated the li-po battery as recommended? I.E, avoiding fully discharging it and preferably charge from around 50%.
I get up to 4 hours screen time and 4-5 days standby having treated the battery this way with just a handful of total discharges (obviously it not always possible to avoid)
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OP, do you have some supporting evidence, or even logic, that shows that doing exactly what you shouldn't do with a li-po battery has a positive effect?. Have you A /B tested it against another handset where you treated the li-po battery as recommended? I.E, avoiding fully discharging it and preferably charge from around 50%.
I get up to 4 hours screen time and 4-5 days standby having treated the battery this way with just a handful of total discharges (obviously it not always possible to avoid)
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Do I have evidence? No I didn't capture any screentshots or anything. This is from my personal experience I'm not here to prove to you anything, just sharing how my battery life is improving cause of battery calibration. My phone no longer display for example 25% then soon as I use it jumps to 19% like before. It decreases gradually and I get excellent battery life. Same thing with my I pad when is discharge it completely then recharge it, I see better battery life and better battery % display accuracy.
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Do I have evidence? No I didn't capture any screentshots or anything. This is from my personal experience I'm not here to prove to you anything, just sharing how my battery life is improving cause of battery calibration. My phone no longer display for example 25% then soon as I use it jumps to 19% like before. It decreases gradually and I get excellent battery life. Same thing with my I pad when is discharge it completely then recharge it, I see better battery life and better battery % display accuracy.
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Li - po batteries do improve with the first few charge cycles but this has nothing to do with the fact you have run it flat. Doing so regularly will shorten the life of the battery. You stated that it had a positive effect but you have no comparison and it flys in the face of the laws of physics and chemistry. The point of my post was to make it clear to anyone who doesn't know better that it's bs and will be detrimental to battery life.
Though LiPo batteries don't like to be overly discharged, I'd stop short of saying that this is detrimental to your battery. LiPo batteries shouldn't be left at low voltage (dead) for long periods of time, but discharging it entirely and then recharging it is well within the designed specs of the battery. It's more the fact that they lose charge over time, and therefore leaving them dead which is considered their minimum safe voltage, will then allow them to drain further themselves over time to a point where it's detrimental. I suppose, though, a battery drained to 0% every single time is more likely to have a shorter life than a battery discharged only to 20% before recharging.
The Android system does calibrate the battery life, which is more of what you'd be doing, but you aren't going to get more battery life out of a battery by discharging it entirely, then charging it fully, it just doesn't work like that. LiPo batteries don't have issues with memory or needing to be discharged or charged to a certain point for optimum performance.
I 100% attribute bad battery life when you first get a phone to simply being you pulling it out and turning it on more than you normally would. It's nearly impossible, and damn near subconscious, but when you get a new toy, you're obviously going to pull it out to look at it, play with it, load every different app it has, etc, as well as doing the same when you show it to people. I think even if you think you didn't play with it a lot when you first got it, you likely still do. But that's just my opinion.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
read that calibration not needed
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Though LiPo batteries don't like to be overly discharged, I'd stop short of saying that this is detrimental to your battery. LiPo batteries shouldn't be left at low voltage (dead) for long periods of time, but discharging it entirely and then recharging it is well within the designed specs of the battery. It's more the fact that they lose charge over time, and therefore leaving them dead which is considered their minimum safe voltage, will then allow them to drain further themselves over time to a point where it's detrimental. I suppose, though, a battery drained to 0% every single time is more likely to have a shorter life than a battery discharged only to 20% before recharging.
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The Android system does calibrate the battery life, which is more of what you'd be doing, but you aren't going to get more battery life out of a battery by discharging it entirely, then charging it fully, it just doesn't work like that. LiPo batteries don't have issues with memory or needing to be discharged or charged to a certain point for optimum performance.
I 100% attribute bad battery life when you first get a phone to simply being you pulling it out and turning it on more than you normally would. It's nearly impossible, and damn near subconscious, but when you get a new toy, you're obviously going to pull it out to look at it, play with it, load every different app it has, etc, as well as doing the same when you show it to people. I think even if you think you didn't play with it a lot when you first got it, you likely still do. But that's just my opinion.
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The dtremental effect will be minute, accepted, but there is certainly nothing to gain. That's what I wanted to make clear.
There is a lot of guesses portrayed as fact on here these days, as well as conclusions drawn from dubious experience with no control or comparisons. Just trying to combat this misinformation.
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The dtremental effect will be minute, accepted, but there is certainly nothing to gain. That's what I wanted to make clear.
There is a lot of guesses portrayed as fact on here these days, as well as conclusions drawn from dubious experience with no control or comparisons. Just trying to combat this misinformation.
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I know what you mean. I usually get yelled out when I try to do that and help, haha.
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Li - po batteries do improve with the first few charge cycles but this has nothing to do with the fact you have run it flat. Doing so regularly will shorten the life of the battery. You stated that it had a positive effect but you have no comparison and it flys in the face of the laws of physics and chemistry. The point of my post was to make it clear to anyone who doesn't know better that it's bs and will be detrimental to battery life.
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It flys in the face of the laws of physics??!!!??? What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about my battery life getting better and better cause of draining it and recharging it not the gravity of the moon or Einstein theories, relax.
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The dtremental effect will be minute, accepted, but there is certainly nothing to gain. That's what I wanted to make clear.
There is a lot of guesses portrayed as fact on here these days, as well as conclusions drawn from dubious experience with no control or comparisons. Just trying to combat this misinformation.
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LMAO, get out of your basement.
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I know what you mean. I usually get yelled out when I try to do that and help, haha.
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Yep, I just don't care if the truth means a fan of cereal box science gets their knickers in a twist. More than half of what gets posted now is erroneous guess work, assumptive, misleading noise that serves no purpose other than to dilute the factual helpful discussion.
I've never been much good at biting my lip.
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Yep, I just don't care if the truth means a fan of cereal box science gets their knickers in a twist. More than half of what gets posted now is erroneous guess work, assumptive, misleading noise that serves no purpose other than to dilute the factual helpful discussion.
I've never been much good at biting my lip.
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That's fascinating..... I wonder where that battery calibration thing started in the first place, I guess someone made that up just to mess with people right?
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That's fascinating..... I wonder where that battery calibration thing started in the first place, I guess someone made that up just to mess with people right?
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For batteries that needed calibration? And as I said, a lot of people confuse calibrating the battery meter in the OS with calibrating the battery itself.
Read, learn: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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For batteries that needed calibration?
Read, learn: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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Read this, point 2.
http://osxreality.com/2009/07/18/4-tips-to-extend-your-lithium-battery-life/
To all of you who say that using up your battery shortens it's life, I have just one thing to say: the phone will never let you fully discharge the battery. Approx. 3.5V at which the phone turns off is far from the voltage of fully discharging (and potentially damaging) the battery.
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Read this, point 2.
http://osxreality.com/2009/07/18/4-tips-to-extend-your-lithium-battery-life/
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As I said, this has nothing to do with calibrating the battery, and everything to do with calibrating the battery meter in the OS, which, by the way, will never be off by HOURS, maybe by a couple of minutes. This only needs to be done once every however many cycles, that site says 30, but I wouldn't even bother doing it more than once every couple of months at the most as you likely won't see any real gain from doing so, and it IS theoretically bad to overly discharge your phone. Doing it once in a while won't damage anything, but doing it every cycle, or every day for a week or anything like that is excessive, unnecessary, and, as farnsbarns mentioned, can wear on your battery.
Battery meter calibration has been discussed on this message board countless times, and every time it's proven to be nearly pointless in real tests.
Edit: This is not to mention that I think a lot of batteries/phones have charging circuits built into them that allows them to properly check the battery level itself, meaning calibration of the OS isn't necessary. I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I've read about this before.
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As I said, this has nothing to do with calibrating the battery, and everything to do with calibrating the battery meter in the OS, which, by the way, will never be off by HOURS, maybe by a couple of minutes. This only needs to be done once every however many cycles, that site says 30, but I wouldn't even bother doing it more than once every couple of months at the most as you likely won't see any real gain from doing so, and it IS theoretically bad to overly discharge your phone. Doing it once in a while won't damage anything, but doing it every cycle, or every day for a week or anything like that is excessive, unnecessary, and, as farnsbarns mentioned, can wear on your battery.
Battery meter calibration has been discussed on this message board countless times, and every time it's proven to be nearly pointless in real tests.
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Nothing to do with battery calibration? Have you read the article? If you want accurates readings, you want your battery life to improve, you probably want to calibrate your battery. I've had the one x for almost two weeks and my phone doesn't jump from 50% to 42% randomly anymore cause I've calibrated the battery. If you want more reading : http://www.themobileindian.com/news/5547_How-to-calibrate-smartphone-battery
No one here said that it is something you need to do everyday, but when you get your phone I suggest doing it. Then once it's calibrated do it once a week or every other week.
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Edit: This is not to mention that I think a lot of batteries/phones have charging circuits built into them that allows them to properly check the battery level itself, meaning calibration of the OS isn't necessary. I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I've read about this before.
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they do have charging circuits I just read it, still you want accurate readings. Even my iPad sometimes displays wrong battery percentage when I don't let it discharge. Sometimes I charge it when it's at like 28% for example, let it fully charge but then it drains weirdly.
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Nothing to do with battery calibration? Have you read the article? If you want accurates readings, you want your battery life to improve, you probably want to calibrate your battery. I've had the one x for almost two weeks and my phone doesn't jump from 50% to 42% randomly anymore cause I've calibrated the battery. If you want more reading : http://www.themobileindian.com/news/5547_How-to-calibrate-smartphone-battery
No one here said that it is something you need to do everyday, but when you get your phone I suggest doing it. Then once it's calibrated do it once a week or every other week.
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You are failing to listen to what I'm saying. I've read the article, and many others like it. There is no such thing as calibrating Lithium batteries, and it's a common misconception, so I have full faith that you can find countless web pages telling you you can. It comes from the old mindset of batteries that did need certain charge cycles (full discharge, full charge, etc) to maintain life.
Again, the only thing you calibrate when you run the battery all the way down is the OS's battery meter. Android shuts itself down automatically when battery voltage hits a level that is considered empty or dead, regardless of what the battery meter says, so that calibration gives you no more life out of your battery at all.
However, I think we all run down our phones to the point where they auto shutdown more than frequently enough to consider the battery meter calibrated very close at any given time. Battery meter calibration is more an issue on systems that stay plugged in frequently and don't often get discharged, this is usually with laptops used as a desktop replacement, not phones.
We aren't trying to be mean or anything, just trying to squash the continued misconception that calibrating the battery is possible or has any effect.
Hey everyone.
Just wanted to know if charging the tablet almost constantly is a bad thing. I use the tablet a lot every day, so when I'm at 60%, for example, I charge it again while I'm at lunch or doing something else, so that I can keep using the tablet later with full charge available again. I never let my tablet go down to 5%.
Is this bad for the battery in the long run?
Thanks.
Generally, it's best to not allow full cycle recharging...i.e. not fully charge or discharge, it's better for small charge cycles, like 40%<->90%
Some links to help garner some understanding:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2469261
Which provides these links:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://www.eetasia.com/STATIC/PDF/200806/EEOL_2008JUN16_POW_TA_01.pdf
http://macomp.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/1607542.pdf
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Generally, it's best to not allow full cycle recharging...i.e. not fully charge or discharge, it's better for small charge cycles, like 40%<->90%
Some links to help garner some understanding:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2469261
Which provides these links:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://www.eetasia.com/STATIC/PDF/200806/EEOL_2008JUN16_POW_TA_01.pdf
http://macomp.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/1607542.pdf
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That's right. At least for what I know. It says the same on Apple's website about batteries. :good:
So then I guess I'm doing it right, correct?
I charge from 60% to 100% or from 50% to 100% again. Maybe I should do it only up to 90% then.
Sensamic said:
So then I guess I'm doing it right, correct?
I charge from 60% to 100% or from 50% to 100% again. Maybe I should do it only up to 90% then.
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I only charge to 100% when I am going to be away from a charger for a long time, otherwise I stop at 90%-ish (my battery app announces when it is at 90% and there are kernels which will stop the charge at what you specify), as the links above state, charging to 100% all the time will shorten the lifetime of your battery, this may or may not matter to someone, for example, if you buy a new tablet every year, or you're well-off financially, then you're probably not too concerned with how many years your battery lasts, in which case charging to 100% a lot won't really matter much, since you'll likely own a newer tablet by time the battery does die.
In short, it's up to you and what you want to get out of your battery's lifetime.
I am using the good old 100% and then use until near 0%. I have found that this way the battery lasts longer.
As I am writing i have 43% battery with 5:40h screen time. I am using Greenify btw.
mulperi said:
I am using the good old 100% and then use until near 0%. I have found that this way the battery lasts longer.
As I am writing i have 43% battery with 5:40h screen time. I am using Greenify btw.
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There are two kinds of battery life. These recommendations are for battery longevity. How long until the battery begins to lose the ability to fully charge.
The article at battery university explains how charging works, and the best way to charge batteries. What you are doing is the opposite of that way. If you think you are going to have your tablet longer than a year, it's worth taking the time to read the articles linked.
There is noting particularly wrong with full charges every time, but there are 'righter' ways to charge.
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Is there any kind of battery forming on new nexus7?
I mean i bought nexus 7 and straight from box i rooted,unlocked and installed custom kernel which forbids battery 2 fully charge over 92%...
Should i revert to stock and firstly fully charge my tablet then go to custom kernel or i am good at it right now ? Tnx
ps. (my nexus 7 was on 38% when i put it out of box)
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Is there any kind of battery forming on new nexus7?
I mean i bought nexus 7 and straight from box i rooted,unlocked and installed custom kernel which forbids battery 2 fully charge over 92%...
Should i revery to stock and firstly fully charge my tablet then go to custom kernel or i am good at it right now ? Tnx
ps. (my nexus 7 was on 38% when i put it out of box)
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Based on what I've read, you'd gain no benefit by reverting to stock and charging to 100%, it MAY or may not effect the internal battery calibration, but it does not affect the lifetime or anything.
Also, these kernels usually have a way for you to change the % at which it stops, usually by cat'ing or changing some value that the kernel reads, you could just cat/echo/change 92% to 100%, and let it charge to 100%, then change it back. YMMV.
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Based on what I've read, you'd gain no benefit by reverting to stock and charging to 100%, it MAY or may not effect the internal battery calibration, but it does not affect the lifetime or anything.
Also, these kernels usually have a way for you to change the % at which it stops, usually by cat'ing or changing some value that the kernel reads, you could just cat/echo/change 92% to 100%, and let it charge to 100%, then change it back. YMMV.
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Tnx m8
The worst thing you can do to lithium-ion batteries is let them discharge completely.
Not letting the lithium-ion batteries discharge more than 10% will increase the cycles by thousands we're talking going from 350 cycles to 4000.
So, ideally, you want to charge your batteries (of this type) after a 10% discharge but we all know that's impossible so the best thing you can do is to charge your tablet everytime you can. Even if it has much battery left.
I knew that allready but i didn't know that it is not good to charge battery to 100 till i came to nexus 7 forums I always charged all my devices to 100% and never had a problem with battery
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aigaming said:
I knew that allready but i didn't know that it is not good to charge battery to 100 till i came to nexus 7 forums I always charged all my devices to 100% and never had a problem with battery
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You should charge to 100%, there is no problem with that.
On a perfect world you would want to charge everytime the battery hit 90%, this gives the best amount of charge cycles and life time.
However we all know that's not going to happen because the tablet is here to serve our needs and not the other way around so stick to charging it whenever you can.
Great Question!
First let me start off by saying to the person that started this thread that this was a really good question to ask!
Now if you are trying to get the most out of your battery then you could look into installing/flashing a custom kernel that could allow for undervolting which could in theory give your battery more life.
So you all are saying that the best thing to do is to charge up to 90% and never let it get down to less than 10%? Always start charging when the battery gets to like 40%?
One question i have for the Nexus 7 2013. Is it even possible to remove the battery for this tablet or does it void the warranty? Second has anyone purchased a spare battery (if possible) for their Nexus 7 2013? If you did could you post a link to where you got it and let us know how much you paid?...
Great question and thread!
-droidshadow
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First let me start off by saying to the person that started this thread that this was a really good question to ask!
Now if you are trying to get the most out of your battery then you could look into installing/flashing a custom kernel that could allow for undervolting which could in theory give your battery more life.
So you all are saying that the best thing to do is to charge up to 90% and never let it get down to less than 10%? Always start charging when the battery gets to like 40%?
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There has been speculation in the franco thread that undervolting could actually hurt battery charge life, due to the CPU having to work harder due to having less voltage, not sure if that has any merit or not.
The reasoning behind the not charging above 90%, and not allowing full-cycle charges is outlined much better in the links I posted than I could do here, also I would be just regurgitating information that is already there for the most part.
40% is just a number I pulled out of air, the best practice is to keep the charge delta as small as possible. So, let's say we charge the device to 90%, it is better to charge it when it hits 80% than it is to wait till it hits 70%, because a smaller charge delta has occurred, so charge often, but if you want the lifetime of your battery to be maximized (lifetime as in the way ezas explained it, i.e. "(...)battery longevity. How long until the battery begins to lose the ability to fully charge"), than try to not charge it to 100%.
Also, it has to be said, heat also affects the battery longevity, that is why I also recommend not charging while a device is in its case. And not leaving it sit on a Qi charger for too long, some cause more heat than others, but heat is a battery's enemy.
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One question i have for the Nexus 7 2013. Is it even possible to remove the battery for this tablet or does it void the warranty? Second has anyone purchased a spare battery (if possible) for their Nexus 7 2013? If you did could you post a link to where you got it and let us know how much you paid?...
Great question and thread!
-droidshadow
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It would no doubt void your warranty. As for battery replacements, I have not yet found one, I'm not saying there isn't one to be found, but I have yet to find it, I figure the reason is because they are not yet in demand since the tablet is relatively new and demands for replacement batteries would be too low, obviously and eventually this will change.
droidshadow said:
First let me start off by saying to the person that started this thread that this was a really good question to ask!
Now if you are trying to get the most out of your battery then you could look into installing/flashing a custom kernel that could allow for undervolting which could in theory give your battery more life.
So you all are saying that the best thing to do is to charge up to 90% and never let it get down to less than 10%? Always start charging when the battery gets to like 40%?
One question i have for the Nexus 7 2013. Is it even possible to remove the battery for this tablet or does it void the warranty? Second has anyone purchased a spare battery (if possible) for their Nexus 7 2013? If you did could you post a link to where you got it and let us know how much you paid?...
Great question and thread!
-droidshadow
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What I said was that, theorically, in a perfect world, you want to charge your tablet when it starts losing charge and ideally never let it get below 90%. This is almost impossible because we use our tablet and we don't want to constantly be charging it so ideally you want to charge it whenever you can.
Hello folks,
For several months I lent my nexus 7 to my family, who don't have the slightest clue regarding battery health maintaining techniques.
So now when I obtained my tablet back, the battery life is less than stellar.
I get something like 2 days battery with 5 hours of screen on time (nothing abysmal of course) and I wanted to know if there are steps you can take to recover the battery potential.
Personally I take such steps as avoiding extreme heat or cold conditions, fully charging when battery drops to 20% and other similar tactics.
I am currently running CleanRom with Glitch kernel.
Wondering if it's possible to somewhat recondition the battery?
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Hello folks,
For several months I lent my nexus 7 to my family, who don't have the slightest clue regarding battery health maintaining techniques.
So now when I obtained my tablet back, the battery life is less than stellar.
I get something like 2 days battery with 5 hours of screen on time (nothing abysmal of course) and I wanted to know if there are steps you can take to recover the battery potential.
Personally I take such steps as avoiding extreme heat or cold conditions, fully charging when battery drops to 20% and other similar tactics.
I am currently running CleanRom with Glitch kernel.
Wondering if it's possible to somewhat recondition the battery?
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I do not believe modern Li-Ion batteries retain any type of battery "memory." Meaning, like on older nickel-cad batteries, if you did not cycle the battery properly they would lose ability to maintain charge.
So, to answer your question, no. I do not believe you can gain any battery health back via charging cycles.
Try calibrating the battery using an app(requires root),also let the tablet fully discharge until it powers off and then charge it to 100%.
That's what I can think of. Hope it helps.
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I do not believe modern Li-Ion batteries retain any type of battery "memory." Meaning, like on older nickel-cad batteries, if you did not cycle the battery properly they would lose ability to maintain charge.
So, to answer your question, no. I do not believe you can gain any battery health back via charging cycles.
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ngyurov said:
Try calibrating the battery using an app(requires root),also let the tablet fully discharge until it powers off and then charge it to 100%.
That's what I can think of. Hope it helps.
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THank you