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[Q] Will manually deployed XAP's get update from the Windows Marketplace?

I've read some other threads (namely http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=908293, which is the Windows Phone Marketplace for Windows PC realeas thread), and I have the following question:
Since we can manually deploy apps with several tools (WP Marketplace for PC, Tom's XAP Deployer, etc.) will those apps become automatically updated (or rather, would we be notified to update them) through the actual Windows Marketplace?
The reason I ask is because I'm just about to get a Samsung Focus, and in preparation, I've downed Chevron tool, registry hacks, TCP view, and all the free XAP apps I want, so that I can just plug my phone in and get mostly everything done at once. However, I'd rather take my time and download the free apps through the actual marketplace if theyre not gonna update automatically. Hopefully no one has answered this question in other forums, cause I've been searching for a while. Hopefully this isn't too nooby of a post. Thank you for your help.

No. No. And No.

yes yes and yes

hmm.. thanks for the answers guys

It give a notification on marketplace, an update can be download but got an error when installing
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So I can't download the update, but it will tell me that its outdated?

VenezuelaDan said:
So I can't download the update, but it will tell me that its outdated?
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that is exactly what will happen
ps: you can download it to , but when it will try to update it will fail .

I believe side-loading bypasses some necessary "registration" steps, which prevents the marketplace from updating applications correctly. This is a great question though, I'll fire this off to Brandon and crew and get back to you.

I honestly hope it can't be, and never can be. Not for your few who will use this legitly, but for those who will install the XAP of pirated software and then update it freely. I know, I always seem like I'm so pessimistic towards this homebrew community, but unfortunately, that's the realistic world...

superaca said:
It give a notification on marketplace, an update can be download but got an error when installing
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Yeah , I got the same Message ...

Windows Phone "Jailbreak App Store"

I am trying to see if anybody in this thread would like to start developing a beginning to a Windows Phone "Jailbreak App store" meaning that the whole cummunity of homebrew apps could all be in one place. As I am aware to jailbreak ios and install "Cydia" you must hold the power and home button in a certain order. Since all Windows phones have the power button, unlock, and volume I think that this could work if a similar process like what is done in ios will be done with windows phone since they are both closed source operating systems. I am not a developer I truely dont know all the details of how something like this could work. I am asking if the whole Windows phone cummunity could work together and get this going.
Thanks

Maybe XDA-DEV could manage the server so it would grow fastly if every dev who post his app in the thread automaticly to the appstore but only final realeases or only apps who cant brick the device. Cool idea but to let a server work cost money and who pays it ?

dstyl said:
Maybe XDA-DEV could manage the server so it would grow fastly if every dev who post his app in the thread automaticly to the appstore but only final realeases or only apps who cant brick the device. Cool idea but to let a server work cost money and who pays it ?
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The whole Windows Phone cummunity could pay for the servers together. Maybe there could be some awesome paid homebrew apps in there that could supply money for the server.

Xda doesn't support piracy.
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I don't support the "crack paid apps" either.
My ideas for these "alternative marketplace" is for those developers/hobbies to make their apps and allow others to use it.
I don't mind the "homebrew" apps is chargable, coz if you look at some apps in Cydia, it also have some apps which chargable due to that app is rejected by Apple.
Same thing goes here. M$ need developer to pay USD99 to get an account, with each FREE apps posted charge for USD25! This will highly PUSH away the developers.
Further more, NOT all regions/countries are supported by M$ marketplace (like my country are not).
So this is a good alternative for developers to post their app.

hardik_hrc said:
Xda doesn't support piracy.
Sent from my Touch-IT HD7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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he ment a WP7 Version of CYDIA

liamhere said:
he ment a WP7 Version of CYDIA
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Thanks this is to be a WP7 cydia no piracy involved at all. I am trying to get this started and hoping that we start somewhere.

shawchyn said:
I don't support the "crack paid apps" either.
My ideas for these "alternative marketplace" is for those developers/hobbies to make their apps and allow others to use it.
I don't mind the "homebrew" apps is chargable, coz if you look at some apps in Cydia, it also have some apps which chargable due to that app is rejected by Apple.
Same thing goes here. M$ need developer to pay USD99 to get an account, with each FREE apps posted charge for USD25! This will highly PUSH away the developers.
Further more, NOT all regions/countries are supported by M$ marketplace (like my country are not).
So this is a good alternative for developers to post their app.
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Since i want this to be cummunity thing and want to push this forward and i forgot to mention these advantages with an alternative marketplace also.

actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
we are curently making it only for cab updates but i dont see why we couldent impement this
as me and winco are alredy working on wcabsender and he has alredy made beta version of W.I.N.C.O.'s XapAssistant v.0.5.0
we have to make web server for cab files and such anyway i dont see why xaps would be any diffrent why pay more than one server when we could just have one and let it self make money!??
i gess pm me with detales if you like i will look them over!
seams like a nice alternitive

jackrabbit72380 said:
actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
we are curently making it only for cab updates but i dont see why we couldent impement this
as me and winco are alredy working on wcabsender and he has alredy made beta version of W.I.N.C.O.'s XapAssistant v.0.5.0
we have to make web server for cab files and such anyway i dont see why xaps would be any diffrent why pay more than one server when we could just have one and let it self make money!??
i gess pm me with detales if you like i will look them over!
seams like a nice alternitive
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This is a GOOD NEWS!
I wish to see it work soon.

jackrabbit72380 said:
actuly we have one in develpment alredy!
we are curently making it only for cab updates but i dont see why we couldent impement this
as me and winco are alredy working on wcabsender and he has alredy made beta version of W.I.N.C.O.'s XapAssistant v.0.5.0
we have to make web server for cab files and such anyway i dont see why xaps would be any diffrent why pay more than one server when we could just have one and let it self make money!??
i gess pm me with detales if you like i will look them over!
seams like a nice alternitive
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This is great news I would like for some of the developers to take over this.

anyone want to just start and alternative marketplace for homebrew and everything else?

Sounds like an amazing idea. Microsoft don't allow apps that promote voice plans, would be nice to have an alternative store to list a full version of my app (it allows you to buy and remove value packs for 2° of which some are voice packs)

I am / was working on a homebrew Marketplace aswell. The listing and downloading of XAPs is not the problem. You just Need a small search algorithm and a database to search and find the apps but the big Problem is installing them. Unless you have the DFT (I guess it was them) ROM that allows XAPs installed directly from the web, you wont be able to install any XAP on the device.
Cool thats my 111th post

Ludacris said:
I am / was working on a homebrew Marketplace aswell. The listing and downloading of XAPs is not the problem. You just Need a small search algorithm and a database to search and find the apps but the big Problem is installing them. Unless you have the DFT (I guess it was them) ROM that allows XAPs installed directly from the web, you wont be able to install any XAP on the device.
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You are right! This the biggest issue!

I guess I could start working on the Store again. I guess it will be done in a few days.
Will allow downloading XAPs, updating them, browsing them. The installing part would have to be made by one of the WP7 hackers - as soon as this is sorted out (as said, it partly is) the store can go online

shawchyn said:
You are right! This the biggest issue!
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not realy an issue because the wcabsender program we are working on
will have an esaly updateable data base of servers listed for cab files the list will be a file called CabData.xml wich we are curently wrighing
it curently contains links to all of xbmods cab files so the program will download and up date your phone and make the hole process very simple
insted of downloading them one buy one and usein wp7 cab sender,bat file
anyway teh cabs can contain up to 60 .xap files and or other content not just apps but content for custom updates to actuly modify the os it self!
users are alredy able to make custom updates much like a carrer would adding addisional features such as new wallpapers ring tones accent colors and even more!
so say we had a new custom game.cab that would incluude not only the new game .xap but also new ringtones & walpapers and assents from teh game or even custom icons for your default icons so your hole phone could look like the new game you just got sorta like premeum themes for on the xbox360 dashbord!
the store is made up of servers from he list and auto updated and loged with in the program you could tecnicly upload your xap to anyware and simple send me the url to add to the server list right now and the store would be opened at teh time of beta relese of our program! our program is close to beta relese but we still have much work to be done on it if you want to get involved please pm me i have more art to do and winco has more code to wright we do not curently even have all of the online avalible cab urls listed in the CabData.xml thare are curently about 10 just for testing!
we ar the only to people working on this project with the okay from xbmod as he is aware of what weare up to but im in the us and winco is in slovika and dose not speak good english infact has to translate everyhang i send him and he dosent get most of my notes teh hole consept was thought up of teh back to the future rom v2 and winco has never even seen teh move he dosent quite grasp teh consept but has managed to make the program a reality not theamed exactly how i had in mind but never the less my idia is now a reality soon to be relesed we could realy use some help with a couple more members on bord we could surely use the help! to get thangs done and out quicker we both have other projects as well and we are both in difrent time zones wich makes thangs even more diffucult winco dosent have time to browse teh forms or post updates like i do!
hes just to bizzy and to be honist so am i!
the offical wcabsender development thread is in the hd2 section please post thare! or pm me! if you have any talent services or advice to offer!
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1278511

But that Thing is on the Desktop side, right?

Most (atlease for me) would like to see the xap file direct install thru air to the phone, instead of go thru the desktop.

ofc, but if I got their idea right its a Desktop app that allows sending CABs to the phone

snes8x taken off Windows Store

I was trying to unpin snes8x tonight and I think I uninstalled it. At least, it is no longer among my installed programs.
I went to the store to try to download it and it is no where to be found. I'm so angry!
http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-US/app/snes8x/d0c894c3-67a3-47e0-95df-405fb8eb9e25
There isn't a chance that un-pinning the app caused a check with the store, is there? That would be so messed up if it did. I hope I just accidentally uninstalled it.

waraukaeru said:
I was trying to unpin snes8x tonight and I think I uninstalled it. At least, it is no longer among my installed programs.
I went to the store to try to download it and it is no where to be found. I'm so angry!
http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-US/app/snes8x/d0c894c3-67a3-47e0-95df-405fb8eb9e25
There isn't a chance that un-pinning the app caused a check with the store, is there? That would be so messed up if it did. I hope I just accidentally uninstalled it.
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If you have a jailbroken device you could use the snes9x port from HERE
Cheers
Blade

BIade said:
If you have a jailbroken device you could use the snes9x port from HERE
Cheers
Blade
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Sadly, I don't. I have a Surface 2 with Windows 8.1
I'm trying to find the snes8x's developer's website, but it doesn't seem like there is one. The Windows Phone version is still in the store, though I see they've changed their icon. Maybe the old icon was too similar to the Microsoft logo? (four colored squares in the snes colors).

waraukaeru said:
I was trying to unpin snes8x tonight and I think I uninstalled it. At least, it is no longer among my installed programs.
I went to the store to try to download it and it is no where to be found. I'm so angry!
http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-US/app/snes8x/d0c894c3-67a3-47e0-95df-405fb8eb9e25
There isn't a chance that un-pinning the app caused a check with the store, is there? That would be so messed up if it did. I hope I just accidentally uninstalled it.
I'm trying to find the snes8x's developer's website, but it doesn't seem like there is one. The Windows Phone version is still in the store, though I see they've changed their icon. Maybe the old icon was too similar to the Microsoft logo? (four colored squares in the snes colors).
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Wow, that's really annoying, this is one of the few store applications I've actually used. It's also a good example of why I'm not a huge fan of the store model... a user has no recourse when something gets pulled, and no control over rolling back updates, etc. Now I'm really thankful for the snes9x port... especially if snes8x never comes back...

I think that the dev removed it because all of his apps are no longer in the store

DizzyMizzy said:
I think that the dev removed it because all of his apps are no longer in the store
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That's sad. The Windows Phone version of snes8x is still on the marketplace, but I'm noticing now that they have different publishers. Are the two versions not associated?

So, some further developments if anyone is interested:
Seems the original developer dropped the project but was nice enough to pass it on to another dev that revived the Windows Phone editions. I haven't yet found news on the Windows 8 edition being revived, but I found the source code:
Article:
http://www.wpcentral.com/snes8x-vba8-vgbc8-emulators-delisted-again
Source [win8/wp8] (snes8x, vba8x, vgbc8x):
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=631e...7&ithint=folder,.zip&authkey=!AMcy8hX76lpiQaw
Also, I was delighted to discover that, on a Windows 8 PC (not RT, I tried this on a Surface Pro), it will permit you to download the app from the Windows Store if your account already "owns" it. Fortunately I had downloaded it before, so that worked for me! I am totally puzzled as to why it would allow me on the Surface Pro and not my RT. Puzzled and angered! If it is okay on the Pro, then it is an absolutely arbitrary restriction to block it on the RT. Evil.
I'm going to look into side-loading it on the RT. Forgive me for not researching this first, but am I correct that it is possible to side-load windows store apps on a non-jailbroken device? And... another assumption... that Windows Run-Time Apps use the same code on Windows 8 RT and Windows 8, so I could copy the files from the Pro and plop them on the RT? Maybe I'm way off-base here... Not expecting anyone to do the work for me... just kinda announcing my next plan of attack and would welcome any wisdom on the subject.

Could someone reupload them as they currently are? Are there any legal issues(with logos, names etc..)?
Since the source is a vs solution anyone could just create and upload app packages.

kdoul said:
Could someone reupload them as they currently are? Are there any legal issues(with logos, names etc..)?
Since the source is a vs solution anyone could just create and upload app packages.
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I think that is probably why the dev made the source available. He just doesn't want to pay for app publishing anymore. He'd probably welcome someone to republish the app (for free, since it would be shady to profit from his work). Of course, one should obtain direct permission from the author before republishing their work.

I am the developer who continue the development of these emulators on windows phone. On windows store, some guy has republished VBA8 and VGBC8 for free. Oddly, no one bothers to republish Snes8x yet. If no one else do that I will compile the original source code and put it up on the store for everyone.
Edit: here is the link to the republished app. Enjoy.
http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/app/snes8x/653dcc4d-354b-4971-8b01-8d749500efb3

8.1 people Hub install on w10m

Hi, is there a hack to get the old people hub on w10mobile? Prior to creators update, I could use Facebook connect. I am annoyed that it doesn't work even after I use the original MSFT version of Facebook (worked on my hp elite x3 until cu)
People hub appx ?

saq333 said:
Hi, is there a hack to get the old people hub on w10mobile? Prior to creators update, I could use Facebook connect. I am annoyed that it doesn't work even after I use the original MSFT version of Facebook (worked on my hp elite x3 until cu)
People hub appx ?
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Is it possible to have even an older version of the "people app" on the latest w10m build? I just want the ppl app prior to creators update.

Hi. I wanted to fix it too. When i recover the system with windows device recovery tool things work and i always keep Microsoft Fbook app syincing just fine. The problem is that SO autoupdates itself from build to build. I copy data of apps with app data manager tool to try to get conclusions about it. I assume the problem is created on other apps that connect the info from FB to people. My best clue is the app named Content delivery manager. I tried to restore it but it fails.. when i try to recover this app with previous backup it also erases FBOOK to install but then it stops without ending the process.. I would need to inject it somehow to prove my theory. Info can pass through but not in the actual updated state of out OS.

Thanks, yes super frustrating that they intentionally continue to rip out the functions that kept the OS unique. My only guess us that they're trying to get rid of us.

saq333 said:
Thanks, yes super frustrating that they intentionally continue to rip out the functions that kept the OS unique. My only guess us that they're trying to get rid of us.
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Certainly makes you wonder. Im almost waiting for the day they flip an invisible switch and make the phones unable to connect to anything including your cell provider forcing us to ditch our bricks. They already forced the 8.1's to be unable to sync the MS accounts for months now. If that happens, i dont know what ill do, cause i refuse to use Android or iOS. Maybe ill find a flip phone...

do you thing they care any more ?

djtonka said:
do you thing they care any more ?
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Certainly not. For them to abandon for "iOS and Android app development" shows they give exactly two ****s about their users. I really wish i was a share holder...
When they moved away from WinMo for WP they really screwed up, but the users were *****ing for an OS that could run Win32 apps, so they gave us something "more powerful" but what they thought would compete with iOS and Android, which is completely backwards. If it werent for WinMo those two wouldnt be around. No Mac user ever complained that Apple didnt have a phone/OS and Google was just a search engine. Now granted, technology and progress dictate SOME change, but most 6.5 users loved it (I didnt, i think 6.1 was the best PPC version) only complaining about the hardware. I mean really, the HD1 was the pinnacle of hw? But, it could run Android, XP and WP7.8 (IIRC someone got RT to boot on it once or twice?), i never understood why MS was "happy" with HTC being the only HW developer until WP8. I would LOVE to see what a CE based WinMo 10 would do on a 950 spec HW. Prob run Win32 apps finally...

Unicode Error on MiUI 8

Good Morning:
The first one I'm sorry if this issue has already been commented but using search engine and even google I have not seen anything to solve my problem.
Yesterday I released my Mi6 having spent quite a few files that I usually use from my previous mobile. Some of these files are pdf's and docs. of Office that I need and that opened with the app WPS office and that I installed also yesterday.
Suddenly I find the problem that some pdf can not open (other yes) and that docs. of word, I get a thousand rare characters. I have read that it may be unicode UTF8 problem that MIUI has problems with, I do not know if by the rom etc ....
I have reviewed in the app and it was in GBK coding but if I try to switch to UTF8 it does not work either.
The strange thing is that it has not let me see it well on the pc, probably because I opened it from the same mobile.
Has anyone ever seen anything like it happen? I have already said that the only thing I have found in official forums of MIUI, referred to problems precisely with said unicode in miui 7 and 8 ...
Thank you very much