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Accessing the web and market without android data plan

this may be a dumb question, but I just got the wife a G2 from Best Buy for Xmas ( awaiting it to be shipped ) and she now has a Cliq. I just got a new Cliq 1 month ago due to insurance replacement and I plan on giving my grandma her Cliq. lol yes my grandma....she has a BB and FB...lol anywho, I know she doesnt have a data plan but my question is
if she is on wifi can she access the web and android market without charge and if so, if she downloads apps, when she is not on wifi will she be charged for using the apps such as hancent for text and things of that nature?

Wifi works just fine without a data plan, that's what I do as I'm still on a prepaid plan. No charges for wifi data as your not using their network. Standard SMS fees even while using Handcent will apply. If you want free SMS sign her up for google voice, but of course you won't be able to utilize it off of wifi if you have no data.

she has a reg plan, just not an android web plan, just minutes and text/pics. Its good to know she can download apps without a prob then. but...... will it be considered data through android web if she uses the apps not on wifi. she has a text plan i think

I believe that apps that require internet access to function simply won't if she's not on WiFi.
I don't think you can simply start accessing T-Mo's data connection without a plan so she should be fine. Just know that getting away from the WiFi signal may cause some apps to not work.

k, thanks guys....ill be back when my wife lets me root her g2...lol

I'd kill the APN settings on that sucka except for the MMS settings. Make sure the data is dead because in a lot of cases they can remove the actual plan, but not the data feature all together. This can result in even more expensive data charges ironically.
Make sure to call in and review this with a CSR so they note it on file in the event of an overage. I worked for an outsourced call center that did work for T-Mobile yeeeeaaars ago. They've always had liberal billing policies from what I remember so it shouldn't be a problem. I actually with they were in Canada because the providers here SUCK!

bongd said:
I'd kill the APN settings on that sucka .....
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Excellent advice there!

[Q] Using G1 Android on T-Moble Pre-paid with low data plan

I think I managed to say a lot of money by going with a low data plan, but they're telling me the android is going to constantly ping the Internet using up all the data allowance. Is there a way to disable the data functionality when I don't want it (like turning off wireless on a laptop)? When I'm connected to a Wi-Fi network, does it automatically use the local network instead of data minutes? If not, how can I make it do that.

I was able to find my data usage on my.t-mobile.com and verify that as long as Wi-fi is available, it will use it instead of the data plan. I was also able to confirm through another test that images in text messages don't count on the data plan, but under texts instead.
This is good. Now I have to find out how to tell if applications are pinging the network on their own or not.

yes indeed

[Q] Carrier charges for Internet Sharing??

I am wondering if someone can explain the details around the carrier restrictions for WP7 Wifi tethering (ICS), specifically for at&t. For instance, will at&t be able to see that we are using ICS mobile hotspot feature and charge extra for it? Also, I realize that the XDA users, being the ingenious bunch that you are, were able to hack the feature onto several phones already.
If we didn't hack the feature, how would this all normally work through the carrier? Is the feature unavailable unless you have a tethering plan or does it show up anyway as part of WP7 regardless?
Thanks!

anyone??

This is just an approximation idea how it (can) work(s):
In registry there is option to select through which profile (and thus APN) it connects. So if your carrier would force different APN that is used for hotspot then yes, it is possible. But you just change in registry the APN name (or profile name) and voila, it flows now all through normal, phone, APN.
Plus there is the possibility to sneak the packets and check what sites are being checked (namely windowsupdate.microsoft.com lol).
I am so glad that I live where I live. 3GB FUP (actually 6GB FUP till end of January, we got double FUP as a gift) for $30/month. And it runs upto 880kB/s . (1,5GB file downloaded with avg of 780kB/s, peak 882kB/s).

thanks for the info! Yeah I have no idea why they charge extra for tethering, makes no sense, especially since most carriers got rid of unlimited plans! Anyway, I agree with you, should be able to change the APN to route everything normally.

j_sous said:
thanks for the info! Yeah I have no idea why they charge extra for tethering, makes no sense, especially since most carriers got rid of unlimited plans! Anyway, I agree with you, should be able to change the APN to route everything normally.
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Why? Because they are greedy bastards, that's why. Same internet, same data, same bits, could have used it as part of your normal data allowance but they charge you extra for it. Greed, pure and simple.

With the Focus, when tethering manually though the USB modem setting (google to find details) it goes through the WAP access point, and it shows up under phone data usage on my account (I have an unlimited data plan through my company). However, I tried using the ICS option and a few weeks later I got a text message from AT&T with the classic tethering data plan warning. I have since turned off ICS and have gone back to the USB modem method.
This is actually one of the reasons I don't want to upgrade to a 2nd gen device unless there is a known way to either use the USB modem feature or redirect the ICS through the WAP access point...

Wireless Tether (Sprint finds out?)

Basically how can Sprint find out if your wireless tethering for free. If you're rooted and using the free wireless tether app will going over a certain amount of data a day give them a alert. Thank you.

jnguyen12 said:
Basically how can Sprint find out if your wireless tethering for free. If you're rooted and using the free wireless tether app will going over a certain amount of data a day give them a alert. Thank you.
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No Sprint will not be notified of going over a certain amount of data in a day, nor is there a cap for data usage when using the wireless tether app.

I just checked my 4G usage for this month since I started tethering on Sprint.com and it's at 17GB whereas before it was like 4-5GB. It's partially the tethering but it's also because I've been using the Watch ESPN app a lot this month. Is there any way that Sprint will kick me off? It's all Sprint data and not roaming since it's 4G. Obviously they can tell I'm using a ton of data but has anyone ever been kicked off for using too much data? How much data have other people used?

frankquattrone said:
I just checked my 4G usage for this month since I started tethering on Sprint.com and it's at 17GB whereas before it was like 4-5GB. It's partially the tethering but it's also because I've been using the Watch ESPN app a lot this month. Is there any way that Sprint will kick me off? It's all Sprint data and not roaming since it's 4G. Obviously they can tell I'm using a ton of data but has anyone ever been kicked off for using too much data? How much data have other people used?
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The only way that you are going to get kicked off for using too much data is if you are roaming when you use the data. And even then, more than half of your data usage would have to be while you are roaming. So, if your total monthly data usage is 4 gigs, and 2 1/2 of the gigs are used while roaming then you will most likely get a letter from sprint letting you know that they have terminated your account. This is commonly seen when a 00001 or other hacked PRL is loaded on your phone which causes you to constantly roam. But long answer short, you'll be fine...

jnguyen12 said:
Basically how can Sprint find out if your wireless tethering for free. If you're rooted and using the free wireless tether app will going over a certain amount of data a day give them a alert. Thank you.
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Basically, when you tether you are sending your phones internet through wifi to your computer/device. Sprint only sees that you are using your internet on your phone, not where it is going. When you pay for the "tether service" from Sprint, there is a different way that you hook up to the internet. It is a separate service rather than just sharing your phone's internet connection with your computer/device.

SpecialAgentSicari said:
When you pay for the "tether service" from Sprint, there is a different way that you hook up to the internet. It is a separate service rather than just sharing your phone's internet connection with your computer/device.
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Not exactly true. When you launch the unhacked Sprint Hotspot app it asks the Sprint Server if your phone is authorized to use the app. If you have not subscribed it errors out. The hacked app has the authorization check removed. When the hacked version launches it just shares the phone's internet connection with external devices. Sprint has no way of knowing that the internet traffic is going anywhere beyond the phone.

@ gharlane00,
Well put and agree'd!

gharlane00 said:
Not exactly true. When you launch the unhacked Sprint Hotspot app it asks the Sprint Server if your phone is authorized to use the app. If you have not subscribed it errors out. The hacked app has the authorization check removed. When the hacked version launches it just shares the phone's internet connection with external devices. Sprint has no way of knowing that the internet traffic is going anywhere beyond the phone.
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Also not exactly true.
One thing they can see is the IPs of the pages you are going to, and different browsers make different page requests,like not pulling up the mobile versions of pages. (yes, I know this can be modified to pull up the nonmobile version.)
Not only is the tcp/ip page request header on an Android browser is completely different than say chrome/firefox/etc, but other applications use the same technique, like IM/BT/skype/etc.
If sprint really GAF, they could very easily see that you're tethering, from what I know.
EDIT: As an example, go here, and see what info it reveals.
Code:
Your IP Address / Hostname
Your IP Address: 72.94.***.**
Your Hostname: pool-********.phlapa.east.verizon.net
Browser/Computer Properties
Browser (User-Agent): [B]Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1[/B]
Time and Date: 3:48:11 PM - Saturday, February 04, 2012
Javascript: Enabled
Cookies Enabled: Enabled
Java Enabled: Not Available/Enabled
CPU class/type: [B]OS/CPU Windows NT 6.0[/B]
Screen Width x Height: 1280 x 1024
Screen Color Depth: 24
Window Width: 588 (45.9% of 1280)
Window Height: 353 (34.5% of 1024)
Browser Headers
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Connection: keep-alive
(edited for privacy, of course. )
Then, tether up, try it again, it will still show the same.
Sent from my calculator watch.

Sorry to bump an old thread, but Sprint doesn't know. What another user mentioned above is partially true, they can find out if you are excessively roaming. That will notify them, then they can investigate further and find which websites you're visiting etc. Then they will begin sending you letters.
my 2 cents. :good:

Yes Sprint can tell you tether
Ive been getting a text msg from Sprint, notifying me of doing something that isnt in my plan, they claimed I was "tethering" and setting up a "mobile hotspot" well I was sometimes, and btw I use xbox for LTE, so when they see alot of data being used like that, they will investigate, ive been with sprint for 10 years. That doesnt matter to them as they threatened to cut off my service, so I asked if they had any unlimited tethering/mobile hotspot and all they have is 6gb/month for $50 which is useless. so apparently they said I was going to Weather.com and NOAA website to much lol they couldnt even see that I had an Xbox One on LTE for past 2 months, and then you get an arab or some mexican that can barely speak english that doesnt know anything about phones/mobile development trying to tell you that you are tethering, the person I spoke with literally had to lookup the definition it was pathetic, sprint is going downhill as soon as I find another carrier with unlimited im flying to theyre store.

ONAVO EXTEND: Get up to 5x more out of your data plan!

I have this in my guide post but thought it needed its own post. If you have a capped data plan then you definetely need to check this out.
It has basically turned my 4GB plan into a 20GB plan!
The SuperUser's Guide: How To Extend Your Data Plan
Onavo Extend lets you get more out of your data plan, so you can do more web browsing and apps, consume more music, video and photos on 3G without breaking your data cap.
After you install Onavo Extend you can go back to using your phone or tablet as before. In the background, data usage from all apps and web browsing is compressed so that you do more with your Android’s mobile data month after month. And, if you travel abroad with your phone, the money you save could be substantial.
IF YOU'VE INSTALLED A CUSTOM ROM:
Some ROMs and kernels are missing important networking support that Android 4.0 APIs, and Onavo Extend, rely on.
If you've received a message saying your version of Android is unsupported, or if the application always says "service paused", please contact us via the "Feedback" menu item so we can help.
Trying a different ROM or kernel should help as well

This is confirmed working on AOKP

Not to fond of having a VPN on my phone...
VPN = all data traffic is passed through your server which could easily be picked out, filtered...etc...

The great thing about it is that you can turn it on and off at will, and it does not run when on wifi.
So basically for normal day to day use you can save your data plan, but if you have sensitive info you can use your secured wifi or turn off the service.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus