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Battery Problem

I've gotten my seidio extended battery and have never really tested it to its limits. I would like to have it functioning optimally. I have the app "Battery Monitor" installed which can calculate the percentage left via the voltage as opposed to the stock battery indicator. I am currently showing 57% via the voltage monitor and 35% via the stock monitor. I have found that my battery can drop to ~1% (according to the stock indicator) however the voltage indicator would be at something like ~30%...my phone would turn itself off at that point in time and I would not be able to take advantage of the reported battery....I have followed directions from: droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-general-discussion/18216-disable-low-battery-warning.html...I bootstrapped and reset the battery...but nothing. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience in this or could help me out.
Thank you.

I think if you go into the screen where you clear the Dalvik Cache in the recovery menu there's a battery settings function. If i've read some of these posts correctly, that calibrates the phone to the battery. basically re-adjusts the 0-100 range on the phone.
You need to do this when the battery is fully charged.

Draining your battery all the way down will destroy your batteries capability of holding a charge in the future.
Your phone is suppose to only charge to ~90% and cut off at ~10%.
Ultimately this means you are only using 80% of your battery, but it's how Li-Ion batteries works.
If you truly drain it all the way down you ruin the battery.
There are some things you can do to recalibrate the software that determines the charge level of the battery though, like the above post suggests.
I don't know if you're running a custom ROM, but if you are or aren't you should definitely check into changing your phones Kernal to Chad's or IncrediKernals. They drastically improve battery life.
For me, it gave massive improvements for 'screen off' (1% depletion every 1 hour) and significant improvements when using the phone.
Of course I'm using the HTC extended battery, but that was much better than the 3-5% per hour I got before.

hello,
please tell me what's wrong with my xda iis. when the power below 75% and i activated wifi/camera/any apps, oftenly it turn off by itself. also, it often signal loss or cannot make/receive calls. thanxs

[Q] Huge Battery Drain after Phone reparation

I've brought my Desire Z back for reparation (Mainboard died and replaced by an official repair center).
I've bringed it with my stock Battery fully loaded (I took it from the charger and 30 minutes later it died). When i picked it up, the battery was totally empty. Nothing in it. The Phone didn't even turned on!
It taked a while on the charger, but finally it turned on and was charged to 100% in normal time.
Since that, I experience a huge battery drain. When I release my phone from the charger on 7.30AM, it is dead on 4.30PM with no use! No SMS, phonecall, nothing. Only Gmail sync.
I've tried different ROM's (With- and without sense) and did restore my phone to stock. It doesn't solve my problem, the drain still stays huge, even with no apps installed!!!
I've tried another battery > same problem!
What can this be? Normally, my Desire Z last about 1,5 days oder 2 days when nothing happens. Why it's draining so fast, even if it's not used?
What can I do to resolve this ??

JassyNL said:
I've brought my Desire Z back for reparation (Mainboard died and replaced by an official repair center).
I've bringed it with my stock Battery fully loaded (I took it from the charger and 30 minutes later it died). When i picked it up, the battery was totally empty. Nothing in it. The Phone didn't even turned on!
It taked a while on the charger, but finally it turned on and was charged to 100% in normal time.
Since that, I experience a huge battery drain. When I release my phone from the charger on 7.30AM, it is dead on 4.30PM with no use! No SMS, phonecall, nothing. Only Gmail sync.
I've tried different ROM's (With- and without sense) and did restore my phone to stock. It doesn't solve my problem, the drain still stays huge, even with no apps installed!!!
I've tried another battery > same problem!
What can this be? Normally, my Desire Z last about 1,5 days oder 2 days when nothing happens. Why it's draining so fast, even if it's not used?
What can I do to resolve this ??
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try a new battery? Reset battery stats and give it a few days to actually get accurate readings? 8 hours isn't unheard of especially if your battery is giving up the ghost. give those thigns a try and maybe turn off sync and/or data to see if that makes a differance.

killj0y said:
try a new battery? Reset battery stats and give it a few days to actually get accurate readings? 8 hours isn't unheard of especially if your battery is giving up the ghost. give those thigns a try and maybe turn off sync and/or data to see if that makes a differance.
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Thanks! I've already tried a new battery, but that makes no sense.
I'm now draining it to zero, i.e. when it's fully dead, and then charge it to 100% for 8 hours. When it's charged, i'll wipe battery stats. Let's see.
When anybody has more tips, i'm pleased to hear them!

Here's a tip: don't drain your battery to zero. This is a great way to shorten the life of the battery, or completely ruin it.
For purposes of battery meter calibration, draining to 10-20% is plenty sufficient.

There should be no problem draining a battery to zero as shown by software. There is a myth/misunderstanding that this is a bad thing because people confuse it with the fact that Lithium Ion batteries can be permanently damaged if they are drained too low.
BUT any device using such batteries will have its circuitry setup to have 0% set to a point above this damaging threshold.
So the "too low" point in hardware is likely to be below the zero point that the phone's firmware and software will let you go to.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

redpoint73 said:
Here's a tip: don't drain your battery to zero. This is a great way to shorten the life of the battery, or completely ruin it.
For purposes of battery meter calibration, draining to 10-20% is plenty sufficient.
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x2 I concur with this. No need to fully discharge the battery, one it probably doesn't even fully discharge because I'm pretty sure the software is saving you from yourself, plus when the battery stats are uncalibrated I'm fairly certain it reads as discharged but in fact is only partially thus the calibration is off. Lastly I'm if the opinion that throwing different charge levels works better because it more closely resembles real life charging situations. Also letting it charge for that long does nothing because the phone charges only a trickle when full in order to not ruin the battery, similar to a laptop. Overcharge protection....

Thanks again!
Now I did charge it to full and wiped Battery stats.
After 1hour 30 minutes, it lost 10%. Did only send 2 short mails with Gmail.
Here is the usage chart:
- Screen 54% (Time active 4m 51s), Brightness ~20%
- Mobile Stand-By 20% (Time active 1u 26m 13s)
- Phone inactive 18% (Time Active 1u 21m 21s)
- Gmail 5% (CPU Total 31s, CPU Foreground 25s, enabled 51s)
- Android OS 3% (CPU Total 21s)
CPU is on idle ~10%, as always. I don't see any apps that are burning my battery.
s there something abnormal here?

just compared it with my statistics (running virtuous affinity)...
Mobile Stand-By seems to be very high... i have 4% (time active 2 h 30 m)
maybe radio related?

hoffmas said:
just compared it with my statistics (running virtuous affinity)...
Mobile Stand-By seems to be very high... i have 4% (time active 2 h 30 m)
maybe radio related?
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This stats come from Virtuous Affinity also. I'd had never had any problems with such a drain with my 'old phone'. As soon as I got it back from the repair center, the battery drain is huge.
I've reflashed the latest radio for my phone, made a Superwipe and made a fresh install of Viruous Affinity. Let's see.

I think that 'Cell Standby' is killing my battery. It is at the top of the usage list with 38% and it's all time active. My phone was left it's charger at 7.15AM, now at 9.00AM it lost 20% of it's battery on idle use only. On 9.00AM, I've turned my phone on airplane mode. Let's see if that works.
I will recover the phone to stock tonight. If this isn't working, I'll return the phone to the store.

Even with the phone on airplane mode the battery is heavily draining. My last escape is to remove the SD Card. If the draining continues, then I will bring my phone back.

Does the battery came hot? Like more than normal?
With temp+cpu app you can monitor your temperature.
Because if on idle the temperature's around 25-28 C, you should be alright.
And then you can consider what steviewevie said; lithium battery can be damaged if you go on a too low voltage. Even if the phone as his ''protection'' to not get the battery to a critical level, the battery can loose power even if its not used.
Lithium ion, its cool but not perfect.
Try a OEM brand new battery.

steviewevie said:
There should be no problem draining a battery to zero as shown by software. There is a myth/misunderstanding that this is a bad thing because people confuse it with the fact that Lithium Ion batteries can be permanently damaged if they are drained too low.
BUT any device using such batteries will have its circuitry setup to have 0% set to a point above this damaging threshold.
So the "too low" point in hardware is likely to be below the zero point that the phone's firmware and software will let you go to.
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I've seen plenty of people on XDA with this phone and others that have rendered their battery unable to charge by letting it discharge to zero. Yes, there are failsafes meant to prevent over-discharge, but they apparently do not always work. The damage is not "permanent" in that its just the protection circuit of the battery kicking in. But the only way to bring the battery back from "sleeping" is with a special battery meter with boost function, which most people do not have access to. So for all practical purposes, its cheaper to just buy a new battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/low_voltage_cut_off
Yes, over-discharge will not LIKELY kill your battery in this way. But there is no point in taking the risk. The battery meter is far from accurate in the best of conditions. So there is zero benefit to letting the battery drain to zero, as opposed to 10 or 20 %, just for the benefit of calibrating the battery meter.
Also, even if over-discharge does not instantly "kill" the battery, running full cycles at the least will shorten the overall life of the battery. Its best to avoid full cycles and charge often.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
Now this is just my experience from reading the experiences of others on XDA. I know there are hardware techs that can give much more first hand experience with batteries and may disagree. But as I figure, better safe than sorry. Especially when you consider there is no real benefit to letting it drain to zero on purpose.

oVeRdOsE. said:
Does the battery came hot? Like more than normal?
With temp+cpu app you can monitor your temperature.
Because if on idle the temperature's around 25-28 C, you should be alright.
And then you can consider what steviewevie said; lithium battery can be damaged if you go on a too low voltage. Even if the phone as his ''protection'' to not get the battery to a critical level, the battery can loose power even if its not used.
Lithium ion, its cool but not perfect.
Try a OEM brand new battery.
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The temp of the battery don't exceed 28 degrees, I test this with Battery Indicator Pro. When discharged, the Voltage is around 3,6 (Which is normal behaviour). When charged, it,s 4,2V which is normal also.
I have already tried a new battery, and it doesn't make sense. Same behaviour.
I'm really clueless, because it drains the battery always. Airplane mode an removal of the SD card makes no difference.
I will return to stock tonight, charge again, and see if it behaves the same. When yes, then I will return the phone as I don't accept such behaviour (Normally, my Battery last 30+ Hours on idle).
Thanks for your tips and help for so far! I will report.

Battery Automatically Recharges without Plug in

Has anyone experienced this. I used my phone heavily for about 1.5 hours at which point it said that I had about 50% battery left. i then left it untouched and unplugged for about 8 hours overnight and when i picked it up int he morning it was at around 50% still and the battery details showed this. seems like after i stopped using it, the battery started charging rather than discharging until I picked it up again.
I'm on stock with an extended battery.
I'm not complaining, just trying to see whats going on.

I've seen this happen as well when going from heavy use to no use over night or when put in airplane mode.

should ask in the Q and A forum....not development....
not only is it the wrong forum...but you will get more answer

The reason for this is due to how the phone displays battery usage statistics. You phone will periodically check the phone usage and determine battery life based on your current usage amount. So if you talk on your phone for an hour straight, during the time your phone will figure how much battery you have left based on that usage. If you then don't use it for 8 hours, your battery level indicated by the phone can actually go up, or stay the same for a very long period of time. Thats why your battery will drop very fast when you start to use it when it has not been used for a while.

It looks like the SOC (state of charge) algorithm is using the derivative of current (consumption over time) in conjunction with the open circuit voltage, yet taking little regard to cell temperature.
As current consumption is decreased, the cell temperature will eventually decrease and the open circuit voltage will slightly increase. This is where the SOC difference comes from.
This is a common problem with any SOC algorithm that doesn't precisely factor in the cell temperature. With these lithium cells being as small as they are (compared to what's used in Automotive applications) trying to characterize the cell temperature characteristics would be like nailing jello to the wall.

akilestar said:
The reason for this is due to how the phone displays battery usage statistics. You phone will periodically check the phone usage and determine battery life based on your current usage amount.
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My thoughts are right along these lines. The phone is projecting your remaining battery life based on previous usage. It is forcasting what your usage will be and with no usage over a certain time period it is reporting negative numbers which send your patterns in a different direction.

Definitely feels temp related. I used mine heavily in a real bad signal area (Restaurant with a tin ceiling...) and it got really hot. I noticed battery life down to 48%. Put it near a fan to cool off and 5 minutes later it was at 65%.

Not positive on specifics, but it has to do with voltage fluctuating.

[Q] Verizon Nexus Battery percentage going up?

I have been noticing something strange. I have gotten in the habit of draining my battery down to single digits before charging in an attempt to keep my battery life up. I usually use netflix on 4g to do this as it does a pretty good job of sucking the juice down quickly.
A few times I have noticed that after I shutdown netflix and let the phone sit a little while that the percentage actually goes back up. For example, I kill netflix at 4% battery left. I set the phone down for a bit and when I pick it back up the battery is at 10%. I have seen this multiple times.
Just curious if anyone else has noticed this and anyone has an explanation for why this happens.

I believe it has to do with the battery meter displaying how much battery you have left based on what you are doing? So when you stopped being resource intensive it adjusted itself.
That's one explanation I have heard.. there is also one that has to do with the amount of current going to the battery.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

trevoryour said:
I have been noticing something strange. I have gotten in the habit of draining my battery down to single digits before charging in an attempt to keep my battery life up.
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I can't answer your question directly as there could be multiple reasons. (Battery capacity estimation is tricky business, and I don't know what algorithm they're using.)
But I can tell you that the common belief that one ought to discharge batteries before recharging them is not applicable to modern lithium batteries.
I was (to some extent) true for old-fashioned NiCd cells, but modern Li-ion cells shouldn't be excessively discharged. If you want to prolong battery life it's more important to keep the battery cool. (Lithium cells degrade much faster at elevated temperatures.)
(To contradict myself I have to add that the battery capacity calculation can be improved by discharging the battery completely from time to time - but again, this depends on the battery capacity calculation algorithm they're using.)

I understand the way current battery tech works. The discharge is not for the battery itself. Its for the Android OS. I have noticed that whenever I plug my phone in in the middle of the day, the next day my battery doesn't last as long. In fact the poor battery life will remain an issue for about a week until it levels itself back out. I have noticed this behavior on multiple phones by multiple manufacturers.
You end up going in a circle. You use heavy data one day and as a result you have to plug in in the middle of the day. The next day your battery doesn't last as long so you plug in again. Unless you allow your phone enough time to level back out then it will always appear that your battery life is aweful. Since i've been discharging my battery I am able to unplug my phone at 7:30 am, use it moderately all day with GPS, Bluetooth, 4G on/wifi off with a live wallpaper running. At 11:30pm when its time for bed I still have around 60-70% battery remaining. I find myself having to watch a few hours of netflix on 4g in order to drain the battery so I can plug it in.
I'm not sure if this behavior is a result of an issue with the battery stats file or what but I do know that when I flash a new ROM it appears my battery life is reset to how it was before I had shortened it by plugging in the middle of the day.

many of us have seen the percent rise slightly, its normal. when under heavy load watching videos or something and then you are finished, the voltage gets relaxed and pops up some. since this phone uses some type of voltage calculation to determine percent, it will jump up once in a rare while, typically right after you placed it under heavy load then went to idle.
it's normal..

Batterylife

Hi!
I installed blackout ICS incredible in my DHD. Everything went well but I wanted to calibrate my battery.
So I downloaded Battery Calibration by NeMa from Google play. Before calibration my batterylife was about 12-24h depending on my use.
Now after the calibration my batterylife is about 5h!! And the same usage as I have always had, couple of calls, net surfing and maybe a little of Angry Birds and spotify.
Did I do something wrong or is my battery dead? My DHD is about 2 years old.

According to Google calibrating your battery (erasing your battery stats) doesn't actually do anything, so it shouldn't have made your battery life shorter. You could install BetterBatteryStats from a thread here on XDA to see if something else is eating your battery. Look at alarms and wakelocks.

Ok, thanks. I installed the BBS and I'll tell the alarms and wakelocks here if I don't find anything funny about them...

bananagranola is right.
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calibrating your battery basically tells your OS how much batter it has or doesn't have. IF you flash a rom at less than 100% battery, then the max amount of battery your OS thinks it has might be different from how much your phone actually has. Sometimes this can affect battery life.
The other thing is, did you calibrate at 100%, then unplug immediately? If not, that might trick your OS into burning your battery so quickly.
Otherwise, 12hrs to 24 hours is super amazing, I'm a semi heavy user, and I'll only be able to get 12-14 hours of semi serious use (8 hours standby, 2 hours on off usage, some of that at 100% brightness when i'm outside, and lots of music), end of that I have only 32% left. 24 is pretty amazing, I wouldn't be complaining :laugh:

Well when you simply reboot new stats are generated.
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Ok, so I have had today the BBS running on the background. I tried one thing in afternoon, I switched of Wifi. Wifi was off about 3h and when I came back to home I switched wifi back to on. I have still 70% battery!! and about 12h without charging.
BBS alarms:
android, wakeups:83 (Is this much?)
com.google.android.gsf, wakeups:56
com.android.settings, wakeups:13
and the rest of them is under 10
BBS Kernel Wakelock:
wlan_rx_wake: 14m18s
PowerManagerService: 10m57s
and rest is under 4mins
BBS Partial Wakelocks:
AudioOut_3: 3min16s
Twitter sync: 1m56s
BBS Other:
Deep Sleep is about 10.5h
Wifi On/running is about 6h
Is there something wrong or is there something that uses too much battery? Could the battery be "damaged" due it's about 2 years old now?
Sorry for stupid questions but I find it very annoying that sometimes battery life is 5h and sometimes it's way more than 12h with same usage.

HukkaHD said:
Ok, so I have had today the BBS running on the background. I tried one thing in afternoon, I switched of Wifi. Wifi was off about 3h and when I came back to home I switched wifi back to on. I have still 70% battery!! and about 12h without charging.
Is there something wrong or is there something that uses too much battery? Could the battery be "damaged" due it's about 2 years old now?
Sorry for stupid questions but I find it very annoying that sometimes battery life is 5h and sometimes it's way more than 12h with same usage.
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What you've got looks fine (which makes sense, since you had good battery life this time). Keep BBS installed. If/when battery life starts tanking, take a look at BBS and see if anything else pops up. If you've got more questions then feel free to post again here.

Although you might miss the customizations of the roms, aospX has great and I mean great, battery life.
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