I was wondering if the upcoming 4G LTE devices will offer a 4G on/off toggle switch. Not necessarily a hardware switch but built into the OS as a virtual switch.
Not sure. I hope so.
Yea me to because I dont even have 4G LTE for ATT in my area. Verizon has theres in my area
Nope. The HTC Titan II and Nokia Lumia 900 for AT&T do NOT have LTE on/off toggle.
This is because AT&T uses CS fallback.
That means that while Verizon's LTE phones have both a CDMA radio and an LTE radio running at the same time, AT&T's LTE phones only have one radio that switches between GSM and LTE mode.
As a result, AT&T LTE phones are not battery hogs like Verizon's
thats the one thing I was worried about because ATT 4g LTE isnt even in my area yet and im not sure if it will even be here in 2012.
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thats the one thing I was worried about because ATT 4g LTE isnt even in my area yet and im not sure if it will even be here in 2012.
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You shouldn't worry then. AT&T's LTE phones only have one radio that switches between GSM and LTE mode.
When you are in an HSPA+ area, your phone should be able to sustain decent battery life with the radio in GSM mode.
Of cause when you enter an LTE area, you might want to pull your hair out because when the radio is in LTE mode, your phone will use up the battery in no time.
Note that the above only applies to AT&T's LTE phones (or other LTE phones with CS fallback).
Verizon's LTE phones have consistence battery life (worse than AT&T's) in both CDMA2000 EV-DO and LTE areas because the phones each have two radios and must power both the CDMA radio and the LTE radio at the same time.
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Exactly what cellular radios does this phone [Telus TP2] have?
My carrier [Telus] has recently completed their 3G overlay, and I'm still showing "EV".
Should I be talking to them about fixing this, or...?
It was (is?) my understanding that this phone was fully 3G capable.
Can someone help me with this?
As far as I can tell, my phone should support the Telus overlay of HSPA on their CDMA network, however I'm showing "EV" an my network type on the notification bar.
I visited a Telus store, and talked to a rep, who just babbled to me about how my SIM was "registered" as a CDMA phone, and therefore I couldn't use HSPA.
>_>
Thoughts?
EDIT: The rep also fed me this convoluted bullsh*t about how when I'm roaming, I'll be able to be on HSPA networks, so I'll get better bandwidth roaming than on my home network...
Wow no one knows the answer to this?
I've searched, and there's no answer, per se, just descriptions of Telus' technology and the antennae in the TP2, which seems to indicate that the TP2 should be able to get on the Telus HSPA network...
I have a SIM-unlocked Telus Touch Pro2 I bought off Craigslist, figuring it'd be good to go when the HSPA network rolled out (Only four months later!). As I understand it, the telus model can make and receive calls on quad-band GSM frequencies, but only use EDGE speeds for data. Has to do with the firmware for the chipset inside the phone. The only HSPA 3G band the phone can use is 2100 Mhz, which is the bad used in Europe, not Canada. It's a major piss-off, especially when a month ago the stores made this out to be the top-of-the-line phone, perfect for ever and ever.
It would seem that should Telus decide to plug in some firmware upgrades, they could activate the new 3G bands, but why bother? We've already signed away our souls to the company.
Who knows, maybe they'll fix it when they release Windows 6.5 for our rig. Because that's on the top of the to-do list, right?
Well there are new radios that we could flash...would that change anything?
Now I may be misinformed but I think that the Telus version is a CMDA phone with GSM capabilites on some frequencies. I do not think it will work on HSPA in Canada as they use different frequencies (850 and 1900). This is why so many people were waiting for the ATT version to come out as it uses those frequencies.
Remember GSM does not equal 3G.
What I would like to know is whether the distinction between 3G and GSM is on the hardware side, firmware side, or software side. Telus would have you assume it's all the hardware's fault, but I'm not sure on that one.
From everything I have read its the chip in the phone that isnt programmed/capable of doing the frequencies required. It may actually be a second chip but I cant confirm that. Other posts have stated that there wont be a software fix to "unlock the frequencies" needed.
GSM is a cellular line and 3G is a data connection.
I just purchased an At&t Tilt 2 unlocked for use on Telus 3G+ network. The Telus Touch Pro 2 is a CDMA , Quadband GSRM and UMTS/HSDPA 2100. The Telus TP2 will only work with EVDO data on the Telus network. If you unlock it for use with Rogers it will work on GSRM with Edge data. That is why I have ordered the At&t Tilt 2. Unfortunately Telus won't honour my unlimited data plan and say it is only for EVDO and that I have to change to one of their current plans to have HSDPA. Like all of the networks, they get your money one way or the other. I'm pleased that with the Tilt 2 I am free to switch providers here in Canada and still get 3G as well as when I travel in Europe.
Right now "officially" there are only the HTC HD7 and Dell Venue Pro available on TMobile USA.
Does anyone know which other phones would work (after unlocking) with 3G on TMO US?
er...none?
I think so far only these two WP7 devices supports AWS bands.
On other platforms is different, as in the case of latest High-End Nokia devices (but Symbian OS):
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2823&id2=2599&id3=2601&id4=2574&id5=2475&id6=2379
However it is a fact that the multi-band support, increases the cost. Is better to invest in features that do will be use
Best regards
Many WCDMA devices support the 1900 band, if you don't care the 1700 band.
but he asked about 3g...the phones don't offer 3g. Sure 2g works
3g nope
And consider 1700 AWS band with no longer be T-mo 3G after merger (AT&T needs the AWS band for LTE), you will be insane to spend $$$ on your own handset.
Even on AT&T side, there have been a lot of markets switched over to 850 band for 3G. So, even with a phone that support 1900 band 3G is no longer safe even on AT&T.
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And consider 1700 AWS band with no longer be T-mo 3G after merger (AT&T needs the AWS band for LTE), you will be insane to spend $$$ on your own handset.
Even on AT&T side, there have been a lot of markets switched over to 850 band for 3G. So, even with a phone that support 1900 band 3G is no longer safe even on AT&T.
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Depends where you live. I have Omnia 7 on AT&T so it only has 1900 band, and I don't even notice a difference in 3G from my last phone. I'm sure it's probably worse, but I get 3G almost everywhere.
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Depends where you live. I have Omnia 7 on AT&T so it only has 1900 band, and I don't even notice a difference in 3G from my last phone. I'm sure it's probably worse, but I get 3G almost everywhere.
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In my area, all 3G towers were 1900. Then AT&T switched all of them to 850 last year. This year, they switched back to 1900 again. AT&T has indicated in the past that it intends to deploy more 850 band 3G to improve coverage.
I thought the 1900 towers would stay 1900, and new ones would be 850
Virtually all 3G-850 american handsets, also have 3G-1900 band. In other hand, the carriers such as Telstra (Australia) and Telcom New Zealand have also 3G-850, with 3G-2100 band (not 1900); but these last are a minority.
The AWS bands with WCDMA technology (3G), are only used by TMoUS (as we all know); and fatally these bands will be used by "new" Latin American carriers like Nextel Mexico and others like VTR and Nextel Chile.
No larger carrier exists than TMoUS, that use AWS bands, so that all developments in AWS bands, should be first implemented in TMoUS ...until now
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I thought the 1900 towers would stay 1900, and new ones would be 850
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Aparently not. Install new towers cost $$$.
iusauser said:
Virtually all 3G-850 american handsets, also have 3G-1900 band. In other hand, the carriers such as Telstra (Australia) and Telcom New Zealand have also 3G-850, with 3G-2100 band (not 1900); but these last are a minority.
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That's true but most ppl who buy unlocked/unbranded handsets buy the European models which typically only come with 1900Mhz band 3G for NA. Those handsets rarely ever supports 850Mhz.
If I use unbranded ROMs on TMO I have gotten 4G on both my HD2 and 7.
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If I use unbranded ROMs on TMO I have gotten 4G on both my HD2 and 7.
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It's not the ROM but the actual hardware that has the limitation although sometimes ROMs can have band limits as well.
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It's not the ROM but the actual hardware that has the limitation although sometimes ROMs can have band limits as well.
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On both my HD2 and HD7 I will get an "H" signal. I was talking to T-Mobile support and they told me that was 4G and I was getting it because of the ROM. I asked why they would restrict the 4G if the hardware would do it and they said it was to control the number of devices on each network. I can only get it with an unbranded ROM. I'm not arguing, just telling you what they said. HD7 according to T-Mobile is NOT a 4G capable phone but mine gets an "H" signal all the time.
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On both my HD2 and HD7 I will get an "H" signal. I was talking to T-Mobile support and they told me that was 4G and I was getting it because of the ROM. I asked why they would restrict the 4G if the hardware would do it and they said it was to control the number of devices on each network. I can only get it with an unbranded ROM. I'm not arguing, just telling you what they said. HD7 according to T-Mobile is NOT a 4G capable phone but mine gets an "H" signal all the time.
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HSPA --> 'H' indicator on your handset (with custom ROM)
HSPA+ --> what T-Mobile advertises as "4G"
The H does not mean 4G. It means you have HSPA. In the carrier-specific ROMs they overwrite the H bitmap with one that shows 3G instead, to "help" their customers and avoid confusing them.
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HSPA --> 'H' indicator on your handset (with custom ROM)
HSPA+ --> what T-Mobile advertises as "4G"
The H does not mean 4G. It means you have HSPA. In the carrier-specific ROMs they overwrite the H bitmap with one that shows 3G instead, to "help" their customers and avoid confusing them.
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Good to know...thx
I am hearing news that tmobile is converting the old PCS band 1900mhz to HSPA+, which means all AT&T 3G only phone would suddenly work at Tmobile. Being a pentaband HSPA phone, I know it won't matter as much, but it would still be cool if I can see which frequency I am on right now, and see if there was a improvement of coverage. Any apps or settings that already does that?
Knowledge that they're doing this has been out for a good 6 months now. I dont know if there's a way for you to check, but I wouldn't expect to be seeing this till the end of the year. They have hardly started to move this 1900mhz spectrum over from EDGE to HSPA+.
So I am looking to switch to T-Mobile from sprint and want to get the S3. I understand the T-Mobile GS3 works on HSPA+ and operates on the 1700 Band. I also see that the T-Mobile version does not have LTE. Now the ATT version operates on the 1900 Band and will only work on slower speeds until T-Mobile activates the 1900 Band here. Spoke to several reps and they state sometime this month. Will the ATT GS3 have the LTE that will work on T-Mobile when they activate it? So would it be better for me to get an ATT GS3 so that I have LTE when it becomes available? Thanks in advanced
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So I am looking to switch to T-Mobile from sprint and want to get the S3. I understand the T-Mobile GS3 works on HSPA+ and operates on the 1700 Band. I also see that the T-Mobile version does not have LTE. Now the ATT version operates on the 1900 Band and will only work on slower speeds until T-Mobile activates the 1900 Band here. Spoke to several reps and they state sometime this month. Will the ATT GS3 have the LTE that will work on T-Mobile when they activate it? So would it be better for me to get an ATT GS3 so that I have LTE when it becomes available? Thanks in advanced
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I have Tmobile and it works ok, It depends on the service coverage cause where I live I don't get 4G on any carrier lol.
That's a tough question to answer. Is it a matter of want or need LTE on your mobile device?
Arguably, at&t has better service than t mobile. But since t mobile is still at the stage of refarming their antennas/towers, Tmo could be just the same as their counterpart after its done. I have t mobile and coverage has been excellent. Data speeds are speedy but not quite as fast as at&t's LTE.
On HSPA+, i get great to decent speeds that can get all of my mobile needs online. It would be a plus to have LTE but i don't need it.
Do you get what i trying to get at?
Sorry i had to write this quickly.
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So I am looking to switch to T-Mobile from sprint and want to get the S3. I understand the T-Mobile GS3 works on HSPA+ and operates on the 1700 Band. I also see that the T-Mobile version does not have LTE. Now the ATT version operates on the 1900 Band and will only work on slower speeds until T-Mobile activates the 1900 Band here. Spoke to several reps and they state sometime this month. Will the ATT GS3 have the LTE that will work on T-Mobile when they activate it? So would it be better for me to get an ATT GS3 so that I have LTE when it becomes available? Thanks in advanced
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I say go for the Tmobile S3. T-mobile's LTE rollout won't be for a long while, and even when it does become available we don't know if it uses the same LTE band as ATT. My guess is that it won't. Tmobile's HSPA+ is plenty fast where I live for all my needs. You will only get EDGE (2G) speeds with TMobile on the ATT version of the S3 until Tmobile refarms their network. But even if they do refarm where you live by the end of the month, the many other places will still only be covered with the 1700 spectrum.
S3 on Edge is a pointless phone. Even with the 1900 mhz bands rolling out, your data will be spotty at BEST. Even in NYC Manhattan, the 1900 mhz bands are probably 20% complete. Go with the TMO version and you won't regret it.
I get up to 25mbps I average about 7-12 who cares about LTE? Go with T-Mo its cheaper and you will get faster speeds. At my home I get faster data speeds than my baby mama on ATT with her HoX soon to be OG Note
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I also have the same dilemma.
If T-Mobile will use LTE on the same frequency as ATT currently does, won't using the ATT SGS3 future proof it for LTE on T-Mobile network?
Am I missing something or do these devices have same specs (except T-Mo having 1700) once 3G moves to 1900 on T-Mo?
OP, I suggest you test T-Mo's network for coverage and speed in your area. I will be doing the same.
Get the T-Mobile version if you value fast data speed.
Don't buy a phone and hoping that it will have the correct technology to work on a network that has not even start to build yet.
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Im using this phone with cricket but for some reason it won't connect to 3g or hspa do anyone know why?
Perhaps because regular 2G, 3G or the faster 3G HSPA(+) on AT&T's network runs on GSM technology which is completely incompatible with the CDMA network Sprint uses for those technologies and the firmware on the Sprint variant is artificially limited to only be able to connect to CDMA and not GSM even though the phone's modem has the capability? Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt however.
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Perhaps because regular 2G, 3G or the faster 3G HSPA(+) on AT&T's network runs on GSM technology which is completely incompatible with the CDMA network Sprint uses for those technologies and the firmware on the Sprint variant is artificially limited to only be able to connect to CDMA and not GSM even though the phone's modem has the capability? Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt however.
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But I get Lte working fine.
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But I get Lte working fine.
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Yes, because LTE is its own technology. LTE, GSM and CDMA are each their own technologies, each completely different from the other in a multitude of ways. That's what makes one not compatible with the other, but with the advent of LTE it also made it much more cost-effective for device manufacturers to include 4G support for all major networks (provided the device supports the necessary bands and the carrier allows it, of course)... so yes, LTE should work flawlessly.
The specs on the LG Official Website for Sprint LG G8 shows it has all the 2G, 3G, and 4G bands on Cricket except it's missing B30 for 4G:
LTE Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/40/41/46/66/71;
CDMA Band Class 0/1/10;
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz;
UMTS Bands 1/2/4/5/8
Did you try to change the network mode to GSM/UMTS and reboot?
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The specs on the LG Official Website for Sprint LG G8 shows it has all the 2G, 3G, and 4G bands on Cricket except it's missing B30 for 4G:
LTE Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/40/41/46/66/71;
CDMA Band Class 0/1/10;
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz;
UMTS Bands 1/2/4/5/8
Did you try to change the network mode to GSM/UMTS and reboot?
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Yeah thats what I thought too but even after changing the network mode and restarting still not getting 3g data
Yes you can dial *#*#4636#*#* , go to phone information or network, look for preffered network, then select wcdma preferred, it will switch to hspa+, do note there will be no indication, only a 3g symbol on the bars. if you download network info app, it will let you see that you are indeed on hspa
Ok after many attempts to bring up my 3g inwas able to do so by going into ##data# and resetting the apn then boom 3g icon popped up. Weird because the apn was correct in the first place prior. But thanks now it works
what is the recommended network i should choose for tmobile network. i have sprint version
tdsii said:
what is the recommended network i should choose for tmobile network. i have sprint version
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LTE. If you don't get good speeds (about 10Mbps) then change it to GSM. This is something I actually have to remember to do if I'm outside the house because I actually get more consistent performance inside my house using 3G HSPA+/GSM. On HSPA+ it goes to is 6Mbps which is plenty usable but normally it runs at 10Mbps which is more than enough for Full HD streaming whereas if I use 4G LTE under the same condition I'll either get 30Mbps or 1Mbps depending on the time of day and/or if the network is congested. 1Mbps is definitely not usable for anything but streaming at horrible quality or browsing basic webpages.