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Market app perfromance

We all know the apps downloaded from the market are slow and choppy when compared to the rest of the OS. Start up times are horrible. Does anyone know if this issue has any plans to be resolved?
Thanks!

SugarMouth said:
We all know the apps downloaded from the market are slow and choppy when compared to the rest of the OS. Start up times are horrible. Does anyone know if this issue has any plans to be resolved?
Thanks!
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We all know that? I've downloaded quite a few apps and haven't seen that too often. Nevertheless, in the cases that you see its shoddy development, to many webrequests, or just the overhead of using Silverlight.

williammel said:
We all know that? I've downloaded quite a few apps and haven't seen that too often. Nevertheless, in the cases that you see its shoddy development, to many webrequests, or just the overhead of using Silverlight.
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Scrolling in market apps is nowhere near as smooth as native apps on the phone. Opening a market app takes ages when compared to say "people, messages, email, calendar etc".
Can you tell me of a market app that performs like a native app? Coming from Android the market apps performed very quickly with the same scrolling experience elsewhere in the OS. I assume this will be resolved in WP7 with future updates and as developers update their apps.

SugarMouth said:
Scrolling in market apps is nowhere near as smooth as native apps on the phone. Opening a market app takes ages when compared to say "people, messages, email, calendar etc".
Can you tell me of a market app that performs like a native app? Coming from Android the market apps performed very quickly with the same scrolling experience elsewhere in the OS. I assume this will be resolved in WP7 with future updates and as developers update their apps.
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yomomedia works very well, no lag on scrolling and opens/ responds quickly.

i would agree, it's because most of the programming (done by the app programmer) isn't optimised causing the issues. not to say silverlight is either as it's really just ported from the desktop, but there are a few apps in there that qork quite well.
also the type of memory is a killer too. samsung and LG went for NAND where as HTC took the cheap route and went for microSD (though i don't know if it's actually much cheaper). NAND loads apps up a lot faster than microSD does.

Honestly, I think there is a major issue here and I hope Microsoft reconsiders letting people use native code. I wish people would stop acting like this isn't an issue.
I'm sure there are optimizations to be made, but there is a noticeable difference in performance between native apps and silverlight apps. Some of it really just seems inherent to the controls. Load up a bing map in the yelp app and attempt to interact with it, the difference is night and day. Swipe up and down in any list in a silverlight app, it lags.

i'm going to have to disagree. whilst i use most of my apps, i don't notice any lag in scrolling. most of the lag people are talking about is upon boot up (which actually could be set by the developer for their "splash screen", or they've programmed it so that it loads all the data into the whole view in one hit (e.g. facebook) causing it to seem a little laggy on loading. if you look at Youtube app by HTC, they only load data as you view that panorama item so it's a lot quicker and you don't notice the lag at all. though this might be a bad example as HTC could be using native code as they have permission to. however, there are other apps out that i use which don't lag after initial launch, jumping between screens is fine.
if you notice any lag in the scrolling (such as in the market place) its because they're trying to load the next set of apps under the list when you're about to reach the bottom, causing it to lag. though in saying that, even MS could do their programming properly so that it doesn't hang the list.

the app market is slow, sucks and crashes one too many times. stop being a fanboi and join us in urging MS to make it better. It's not "fine" and we are not using it incorrectly. it's slow

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-blames-developers-for-poorly-performing-wp7-apps
**this bothers me as well.... flixter and facebook which are two of my fav apps are nearly unuseable IMO because of slowness and stuttering
on the other hand, HTC Youtube and AP runs great

mike21pr said:
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-blames-developers-for-poorly-performing-wp7-apps
**this bothers me as well.... flixter and facebook which are two of my fav apps are nearly unuseable IMO because of slowness and stuttering
on the other hand, HTC Youtube and AP runs great
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I haven't had any problems with flixster, where do you notice slowdowns???
edit, just tested it on Tron and it's fluid and smooth. Takes less than 5 seconds for info to load between pages (cast, reviews, etc) and trailer started in 3 seconds.

nrfitchett4 said:
I haven't had any problems with flixster, where do you notice slowdowns???
edit, just tested it on Tron and it's fluid and smooth. Takes less than 5 seconds for info to load between pages (cast, reviews, etc) and trailer started in 3 seconds.
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Ok, let me rephrase that a bit. App works fine, but what annoys me is the lack of the fluid experience as opposed as the rest of the os. The start panoramic hub in flixter is really choppy compared to the one in AP Press, even when fully loaded. Once i go deeper in the app it seems to perform as expected

PG2G said:
Honestly, I think there is a major issue here and I hope Microsoft reconsiders letting people use native code. I wish people would stop acting like this isn't an issue.
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But it's not an issue. Yes, certain apps do perform badly, but it's all down to how the developers have written their app.
Using native code would not necessarily fix these issues as you could quite easily write wrong code even then.
In the end it all comes down to the fact that the platform is still fairly new and developers are not yet used to working on it - a lot of developers don't seem to understand that loading [slow] data on the UI thread is bad, others will load up all the data they need before displaying the UI rather than displaying the UI and then loading the data.

There's an update to the Facebook app available today, seems to start a lot quicker and is a bit smoother in use. Also now supports Places and tagging in photos.

happypark said:
There's an update to the Facebook app available today, seems to start a lot quicker and is a bit smoother in use. Also now supports Places and tagging in photos.
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yup, i noticed that its faster as well :-D

I installed a lot of nice stuff from Marketplace just in few days...
I am missing more featured Office (Word especially) and Opera Mini.
BUT:
Marketplace hangs, always after installing many apps one after another.
Have to reboot the device in this case.

doministry said:
I installed a lot of nice stuff from Marketplace just in few days...
I am missing more featured Office (Word especially) and Opera Mini.
BUT:
Marketplace hangs, always after installing many apps one after another.
Have to reboot the device in this case.
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yeah, so far that is the only bug I have really come across, and it's happened twice in 6 weeks.

nrfitchett4 said:
yeah, so far that is the only bug I have really come across, and it's happened twice in 6 weeks.
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Since it is still not my main device but is heavily used, yes, the OS seems superstable and almost trouble free.

Scrolling/swiping is not the problem as it is somehow cached. Problem is loading time and general code execution. It IS slow, it feels, it makes you stop for a second or two, it cuts the fluid experience you could have possibly been accustomed to by using the native apps UI. Of course you will not notice it on a "tip calculator" app or such, but yes on a more sophisticated and fully featured app.
MS must add this to the OS optimization list...

My main gripe with Marketplace is that it regularly crashes every few days.

Mine always crashes if I browse the marketplace for too long ><. This is on the Omnia 7. Once It crashes, it goes to the home screen, but reopening the marketplace just goes blank for a while before returning to the home screen. Only fix for this is a restart.
With the way WP manages memory in the upcoming update, I'm hoping it improves the marketplace app considerably.

Task manager refresh rate bug!

Task manager is a native HTC Sense app that allows us to kill specific (or all) running apps that are usually left open in the background. Kind of ironic that they don't close even after we swipe them away from the multitasking page huh? :what:
Nonetheless, the fuss that has been circulating the One X's screen issues are far from over. It all begun with the screen flickering and the constant shaking in some of the apps which drove us almost insane. Then came up that annoying little yellow spot that seemed to follow us around and always grabbed our attention.
But now we face (or I face) another irritating screen bug that needs a quick fix. For some one like me, who constantly uses the Task manager (for killing some, but not all) would greatly appreciate the refresh rate of the screen to increase to avoid stains of the terribly executed Sense 4 UI. I hate having to see the transition stain of apps sliding up after killing that of which is on top of them.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Also check out this video I made if the screenshots don't do you well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV9gEHJsldc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I don't have this.

nobnut said:
I don't have this.
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Vodafone Australia manipulates the phone so much until its unusable. Never knew a Quad core with Tegra™ 3 would run so slow. I might return it for the third time and get a Lumia 900 instead.

OK.
10char

I have it, but if this is your biggest issue... then you have none

fallenwout said:
I have it, but if this is your biggest issue... then you have none
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Haha the One X is for my brother. I have the GNex. He doesn't really like the One X. Especially from a carrier..

this also happens when deleting text messages

dan_ep82 said:
this also happens when deleting text messages
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Download the 'Screen test' app by AMBERFOG from the market and you would see how slow the screen refresh rate is when flicking through different templates.. would be more noticeable (if not obvious) when compared to another device.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

The screen flickering using the Screen test has improved a lot since the 1.28 update. but I still notice a very noticeable lag in HTC Sense. I dont understand how a quad-core CPU struggles to run as it should. And what gets to me the most is the fact that the One S is faster than the one X flag ib ever aspect. We pay big money for a phone that over heats all the time (reached 48 degrees, had to put it in the freezer for a minute or two to cool it down) and the constant lag in HTC Sense and reboots and lags here and there.
The only good thing so far is that they have already released two updates but lets see how long it will take Vodafone will they finally release the 1.29 update -_-
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Ahmato27 said:
Nonetheless, the fuss that has been circulating the One X's screen issues are far from over.
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Did I miss a meeting? Who said they're over? The flickering, notification bar corruption, funkiness in the camera app, and probably all other non h/w display issues are graphics drivers related. In the flickering thread it was posted on 5/2 that HTC's identified the issue and an update's (not 1.29) forthcoming. If after that there are still graphics problems then it's safe to bring out the exclamation points.

I hadn't noticed but mine does it, can't say it bothers me at all, even if it stays that way for ever.

Can someone post the apk?
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Ahmato27 said:
Task manager is a native HTC Sense app that allows us to kill specific (or all) running apps that are usually left open in the background. Kind of ironic that they don't close even after we swipe them away from the multitasking page huh? :what:
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This is incorrect. Swiping in the task manager closes tasks correctly, as you would expect. This is easily verified by closing an app that has a splash screen on startup. The app will show the splash screen the next time you start it up after swiping to close it.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

knoxploration said:
This is incorrect. Swiping in the task manager closes tasks correctly, as you would expect. This is easily verified by closing an app that has a splash screen on startup. The app will show the splash screen the next time you start it up after swiping to close it.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
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Dude I have the one X and the ICS multitasking sucks no doubt. Sometimes I close apps using the swipe up mechanism and they would still be running in the native built in app. Heck I close the Music players and music keeps playing. You're telling me that the ICS multitasking does a good job then you clearly kbow nothing about multitasking.
Sometimes I open an app and minimize it leave in the background for about 30 seconds, open it again and it has reload! What the hell is this, its yhe most annoying when you are using the Web browser and it keep reloading the page every time you minimize it nd by that say good bye to your data.
You want to see multitasking? Get a Nokia N9. By far the best multitasking phone ever! I loved mine and then I swapped it for this rubbish One X. The N9i never had any issues and it got 2 major updates twice in less than 6 months and another is coming and android still cant do multitasking and random apps are always running in the background! Dafuq!
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itsmoe said:
Dude I have the one X and the ICS multitasking sucks no doubt. Sometimes I close apps using the swipe up mechanism and they would still be running in the native built in app. Heck I close the Music players and music keeps playing. You're telling me that the ICS multitasking does a good job then you clearly kbow nothing about multitasking.
Sometimes I open an app and minimize it leave in the background for about 30 seconds, open it again and it has reload! What the hell is this, its yhe most annoying when you are using the Web browser and it keep reloading the page every time you minimize it nd by that say good bye to your data.
You want to see multitasking? Get a Nokia N9. By far the best multitasking phone ever! I loved mine and then I swapped it for this rubbish One X. The N9i never had any issues and it got 2 major updates twice in less than 6 months and another is coming and android still cant do multitasking and random apps are always running in the background! Dafuq!
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
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LOL I clearly made a lot of spelling and typo mistakes. I'll blame the One X for that too
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itsmoe said:
Dude I have the one X and the ICS multitasking sucks no doubt. Sometimes I close apps using the swipe up mechanism and they would still be running in the native built in app. Heck I close the Music players and music keeps playing. You're telling me that the ICS multitasking does a good job then you clearly kbow nothing about multitasking.
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I never said it does a good job, I said it does close apps (which was the opposite of the claim that I was replying to). And it does close them. And that includes music players. (I've only tested a couple; I don't claim to have bothered trying every player.) Yes, the music can continue briefly after swiping; that's likely buffer-related, I'd guess. Fact is that with the apps I've tried, music playing does stop a couple of seconds after the swipe, though.
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Sometimes I open an app and minimize it leave in the background for about 30 seconds, open it again and it has reload! What the hell is this, its yhe most annoying when you are using the Web browser and it keep reloading the page every time you minimize it nd by that say good bye to your data.
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I'm well aware of this; I have the exact same problem myself on three ICS devices. It's one of the worst features of Android. However, the comment I was replying to has absolutely nothing to do with this. It makes no difference whether you use a task killer, or swiping in the recent apps list; ICS will still randomly kill recent apps whenever it feels the need to do so.

itsmoe said:
The screen flickering using the Screen test has improved a lot since the 1.28 update. but I still notice a very noticeable lag in HTC Sense. I dont understand how a quad-core CPU struggles to run as it should. And what gets to me the most is the fact that the One S is faster than the one X flag ib ever aspect. We pay big money for a phone that over heats all the time (reached 48 degrees, had to put it in the freezer for a minute or two to cool it down) and the constant lag in HTC Sense and reboots and lags here and there.
The only good thing so far is that they have already released two updates but lets see how long it will take Vodafone will they finally release the 1.29 update -_-
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
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Because sense is badly coded, and the s will win in benchmarks because its got a smaller screen, on a pc running a game at 600x800 will be much faster than 1440x900.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

knoxploration said:
I never said it does a good job, I said it does close apps (which was the opposite of the claim that I was replying to). And it does close them. And that includes music players. (I've only tested a couple; I don't claim to have bothered trying every player.) Yes, the music can continue briefly after swiping; that's likely buffer-related, I'd guess. Fact is that with the apps I've tried, music playing does stop a couple of seconds after the swipe, though.
I'm well aware of this; I have the exact same problem myself on three ICS devices. It's one of the worst features of Android. However, the comment I was replying to has absolutely nothing to do with this. It makes no difference whether you use a task killer, or swiping in the recent apps list; ICS will still randomly kill recent apps whenever it feels the need to do so.
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I've just closed the music player using the most recent app list thing that comes as a new feature in ICS and music is still playing. It does work on some apps and it foesnt work on some. Its just useless, it ahould either kill all or should have never existed in the first place. Im only saying this as I was a N9 user and multitasking on it was 100% better than this.
As for the One S being better, well I dont see why they make the One X the flagship when it gets beaten by a cheater and supposedly less capable phone? As for the resolution example you gave, well if the make a better screen they should use a better graphics card, its really not that hard.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

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As for the resolution example you gave, well if the make a better screen they should use a better graphics card, its really not that hard.
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It's not a graphics "card" per say, it's a system-on-chip.
HTC One X International: Tegra 3 SoC (1.5 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9, Nvidia ULP GeForce)
HTC One S: Snapdragon S4 MSM8260A SoC (1.5 GHz dual-core Krait, Adreno 225)
That said, benchmarks suggest it likely *is* a better GPU in the One X than the One S, eg.:
http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?orderby=438&brand=HTC&benchmark=glpro21&var=avg&gpu=
Problem is, it needs to be 78% better than the Snapdragon just to equal it, based on the difference in pixel counts. That's a big ask, without vastly increasing power consumption (and hence, vastly reducing battery life or making the phone much bigger and heavier.)

Lack of multi-tasking - Possible return

The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?

Srgsx said:
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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multitasking is a bit of a joke on this phone. I hope HTC addresses this in a future update.
sent from my HTC One X

Since Sense + OS alone consume most of the ram (> 80%) on the device, I suppose integrated Android task killer is configured in some paranoid mode and is killing backgroups apps like crazy.
If this bothers you, I would install one of senseless ROMs on your HD2 and be happy Possibly there is also a way to make task killer more civilized in custom Sense ROMs.
Sadly, Sense 4.0 is quit bloated and One-X should have at least 1.5GB of RAM to begin with.

Yup, I agree, multitasking is really bad... All my dolphin browser pages reload if I click the home button and try to go back.
Sent from my HTC One X on Leedroid's ROM v5.1.0.

It will addressed with uopdates after all you bought a quad cote for multi tasking, some of xda chefs are communicating with HTC dev and we reported the very aggressive memfree values, also if you are rooted you can control them with supercharger script

Srgsx said:
Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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When I change the wireless state on my i9100 the same thing happens so it's Android, not HTC or the One X. Even if the USA Today home page was retained clicking on any of the stories would result in an error because there's no wireless connection available. Get an app like Pocket that allows you to save articles from across the web for offline reading. The CNN app also gives you the option to save stories offline.

The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.

mgfjd said:
The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.
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Do any of you understand how multitasking in Android even works? Even if a task is killed by the OS, apps developed that follow the published standard will re-launch in their last state in less than a second. And the better XDA devs should know that. So while HTC's memory management may be aggressive, there's more to it if individual apps aren't behaving correctly.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html

Srgsx said:
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol

louis.b said:
If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol
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Its called a forum, in which I can and will reach out to others to get feedback on what I consider a situation with a very flawed segment of Sense which is making me contemplate returning an otherwise very nice device.
Look Apple has been doing this puesdo multi-tasking, app-pausing just fine since 4.0 what the heck is HTC thinking ? Browser tabs store just fine for days WITHOUT an internet connection. I geuss I am just expecting too much.
Sorry to interupt move along nothing to see here - lol

If you really want to pile-on, head over here. The XL'rs are far more up in arms than the X'rs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646409
I've asked the same questions of people that say the way multitasking is implemented is a real hardship but no one's answered. What's the harm? Of "X" hours a day using the phone, what percentage of your time is actually spent active in two (or more) apps simultaneously? And with a powerful processor it shouldn't matter whether a background app is in state or has to be restarted based on the way Android works (see below). I'm not trying to pick a fight I'm trying to understand the depth of the issue.
And since no one's read the article I linked to, here's the cruxt...
Once Android determines that it needs to remove a process, it does this brutally, simply force-killing it. The kernel can then immediately reclaim all resources needed by the process, without relying on that application being well written and responsive to a polite request to exit. Allowing the kernel to immediately reclaim application resources makes it a lot easier to avoid serious out of memory situations.
If a user later returns to an application that's been killed, Android needs a way to re-launch it in the same state as it was last seen, to preserve the "all applications are running all of the time" experience. This is done by keeping track of the parts of the application the user is aware of (the Activities), and re-starting them with information about the last state they were seen in. This last state is generated each time the user leaves that part of the application, not when it is killed, so that the kernel can later freely kill it without depending on the application to respond correctly at that point.
And based on this, the SGS3's handling memory managment just like the One X so there don't appear to be a lot of options for those with special multitasking needs.
greyhulk said:
The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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Try to install Apex launcher free version and set it as default launcher. Reboot and see is situation get better. If works for you then it is sense problem.
It works like a charm on my X. No any problem for multitask.And it is so smooth.
Of course if you do want sense launcher then have to live with issue. But no harm to try Apex to see at least multitask can wrok or not

BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle

At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
Should I stil try Apex ?

Apex so far is best launcher for one X. I used it for 1 month. If it is not work for you I will post another solution which may help.

Apex- ok you might be on to something !
Can still hold app data while in airplane mode...

Srgsx said:
the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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If your rooted then flash Jan's Advance Notification toggle to enable Airplane Mode it will retain the webpage because you're not going into a different app.

Srgsx said:
At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
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I dont think this is caused by sense taking up too much resources. Seems to be an ics inherent thing. The sgs3 was just reported to behave the same way.
Oh yes i tried the ipad3 the other day. The display was perfect but what surprises me is it multitasks amazingly well. I can have 5 - 6 apps open including youtube and browser with multiple tabs and it switches between them smoothly without once quiting the browser. Really sad to see android/ ics regressed to this state that ios significantly beat it.

if it is ics problem why I can use mutlitask on my one X?

Raider0001 said:
BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle
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I keep asking the question "what does it mean?" and everyone keeps replying "it shouldn't be this way." If a doctor says "there’s something wrong with your liver," there's a big difference between hepatitis A and stage 3 cancer. Other than the perceived loss of something you had how does the way that the One X handles multitasking affect what you do every day? And how often is it a problem?
I had a i9100 and in practical use I don't notice a difference. The exception being the browser that stupidly reloads itself every time it restarts but it does that regardless of whether launched from recent apps or directly from the app drawer or a shortcut.
And if this is true it doesn't really matter what a Desire, HD2, or SGS did.
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The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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Multi tasking issues

Hi guys,
I am using a HTC one x atnt version. Am facing an issue with multi tasking. If I open a web page on any web browser and then start any other app and then using the multi tasking button and scroll to the web browser, it reloads the web page again instead of maintaining the page loaded.
Also for me spotify keeps logging out if I switch to another task.
Please advice as to why this is happening
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

If you do a quick search or glance around the forums, you can see that the multitasking issue was intentional on behalf of HTC. They have allocated so much RAM to sense that there normally isn't enough RAM to split up between all your apps, causing aggressive memory management. Fix is to root or wait for OTAs hopefully to remedy this issue.

Ok, i´m about to sell my HOX because of this.
I can´t root, because i will loose the guarantee. My gps is working very badly, so i need the guarantee.
But when i´m using a mapping software for hiking, each time i take a photo, the app restarts and with some apps i loose all the settings. Thats ridiculous.
My Winmo phones and lately my iphone did this perfectly.
So the iphone has a better Multitasking then the HOX? OMG
So i heard the Galaxy S3 is doing the same thing? Is that true? Which device can i buy then? a note or a galaxy s2?
thx, nearly

sell it then

I have an S3 and it doesn't do that.
I m finding that perceived multi tasking is getting worse by the device. I also have an iPad and the perception of multi tasking is better there.
Its based on the fact that a lot of android apps don't save state when they are closed. I don't know whether the developers are lazy
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Wasn't this issue fixed on the 1.29 update?

lt iibad said:
I have an S3 and it doesn't do that.
I m finding that perceived multi tasking is getting worse by the device. I also have an iPad and the perception of multi tasking is better there.
Its based on the fact that a lot of android apps don't save state when they are closed.
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But I'm not closing my apps. I'm new to android, but my understanding is that you close an app with the back button.
I always use the home button or the multi tasking button.
I set multitasking to 4 apps, but that didn't help.
If I just toggle between my GPS mapping app and the camera, it already doesn't work anymore.
And I'm not using the sense launcher. I use apex.
The iPhone and my Touch HD had both 512mb RAM. The hox has 1GB and still doesn't multitasking?
So is it safe to by an S3 instead? Does it have more free ram?
I also hope with the S3 I can root legally and maybe even get an asop Rom at some point, which would have a lot more ram and deal perfectly with multitasking.
Nearly

nobody?

kjotwani said:
Hi guys,
I am using a HTC one x atnt version. Am facing an issue with multi tasking. If I open a web page on any web browser and then start any other app and then using the multi tasking button and scroll to the web browser, it reloads the web page again instead of maintaining the page loaded.
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It appears from comments that the AT&T One X right now is more aggressive in killing apps to free memory.
On the International version running the latest stock firmware, I can usually open and use 4-6 apps with the browser simultaneously without the browser being killed. These apps include Google Maps, Twitter, IMDB, Angry Birds, etc. Using System Panel, I've noticed that the One X will rarely kill apps until free memory drops to around 150 MB. From a restart, the One X has about 350 MB free.
Also, I noticed that flipping through Flipboard tends to especially cause a lot of frequent browser restarts, even when there is 200+ MB of free memory, maybe suggesting that some of its operations require large amounts of additional memory. Perhaps you have an app that is like that.
I would suggest using System Panel to check on your free memory, the memory used by your apps and the free memory threshold as to when the One X starts killing apps.

I just did a quick test right after booting my One X... I opened Google Maps, then Android's browser, then Chrome and then the Camera. Used each app for a few seconds only, not even loading opening pages on the browsers or taking pics with the camera. After doing all this, Maps had been killed and needed to be restarted and when I tried to open Chrome, it needed to be loaded again too.
With the big amount of hardware issues plaguing the HOX, I can't risk losing the warranty to gain root and fix this myself, and it seems clear that HTC won't provide a solution, so if the S3 doesn't have this problem I'll seriously consider exchanging my HOX for an S3.

The s3 is suffering similar multitaking/ram issues. I saw a thread in their Q&A section.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

I returned my HOX due to the horrific lack of multi-tasking. Played around with the S3 last week in Europe. It seems just fine and did not have to reload any web pages or map programs.

Maybe you should look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1669074 I don't know why threads like that are not sticky...

tsukurimashou said:
Maybe you should look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1669074 I don't know why threads like that are not sticky...
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Yeah, thats nice, but you need root for that and then you loose your guarantee. With buggy device like the hox i wouldn´t dare that.
Another plus for the ugly S3. Im considering now to get a second hand S2 and put cyanogen mod on it. And than i will wait for another superphone. Maybe a windows phone 8...

Just tested. Easily multitask with 4+ tasks. Including browser, camera, xda, music, messages
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Kevin Ma said:
Just tested. Easily multitask with 4+ tasks. Including browser, camera, xda, music, messages
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Tested the GS3 or with the one X?

nearlygod said:
But I'm not closing my apps. I'm new to android, but my understanding is that you close an app with the back button.
I always use the home button or the multi tasking button.
I set multitasking to 4 apps, but that didn't help.
If I just toggle between my GPS mapping app and the camera, it already doesn't work anymore.
And I'm not using the sense launcher. I use apex.
The iPhone and my Touch HD had both 512mb RAM. The hox has 1GB and still doesn't multitasking?
So is it safe to by an S3 instead? Does it have more free ram?
I also hope with the S3 I can root legally and maybe even get an asop Rom at some point, which would have a lot more ram and deal perfectly with multitasking.
Nearly
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It is very safe to buy the S3 rather if multi tasking is a major issue. From what I've seem the OneX even closes the launcher and live wallpapers. Don't know why they didn't put two mb of ram. The S3i ave with the exact same apps doesn't close apps nearly anywhere as often.
The problem is with Android itself and maybe the developers. In that either the apps dont save state or the system doesn't request.
On iOS the OS closes all apps on pressing the home screen button but saves the apps state. So when u go back to an app its where I left it.
I would think android would have an advantage coz it doesn't immediately close apps. So when u go back to an app it's probably even progressed as is now more current than it was when u left it. The problem when it closes the app due to low resources the apps don't save state. Very frustrating.
Conclusion, get an S3 it won't close the apps due to low resources half as often.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

So, now i got something odd.
2 days ago my HOX went super slow. Even in safe mode.
I resetted it and now i can toggle between Backcountry Navigator and the camera.
If i add one or two other apps, BN will restart.
Anyway, i recently switched to Mytrails and things are looking even better there.
So, i wouldnt call multitasking great now, but my basic needs are fulfilled.
It seems, now i have to send it 3 weeks to htc for repair the bloody gps-module...

[Q] It cannot be that slow

Hello there, first time i write here but been reading a lot!
First, you need to know I own a galaxy s2 s3 s4 (all rooted) and my good friend has a note 3.
Also played a lot with nexus10 and the first galaxy note 10.1
I waited so long to buy the "perfect" tablet. Ipad is out of question even tho we know they are awesome tablet, i am a system administrator and i need Android.
So when i heard about the new note 10.1 2014, i was very existed because i REALLY like my s4 and my friend's note 3.
And i thought the s pen was awesome for a tablet (seeing my kid having fun drawing on their own picture is a +).
Well i convicted my girlfriend we need this, i started reading a lot of reviews and decided to buy because reviews are all saying the tablet was the best to compete vs the ipad.
I bought it brand new on eBay because there was no place i can buy it in Canada.
As soon as i received it, i found it run so damn slow. .. WAY slower than my s4.
I can live with the short battery life, that's not a big deal even tho the 2x quad core was supposed to help that (running on 1.3 while on hold to save battery).
Looks like it is always running on that 1.3ghz cpu now.
I did a factory default reset. .. Then a hard reset, nothing helped.
Runs great Sometimes, but sometimes I am note even able to browse picture on the default gallery. Still no apps installed! !!
My friend with the note 3 came here last night and was amazed to see how the screen has a bad responds to finger but very good with the pen. Also how it freezes and lags.
Now... is it only MY galaxy note ?
Should i send it to Samsung and hope it is going to be OK when i receive it back ?
Is it normal and should be all fixed with kit kat update ?
Or normal... They missed it so i should just throw it away ? If so... What else should i get ?
I very like the aspect. The home/menu/back buttons, the o/s (touch wiz), the nexus 10 was not that great even with kit kat, but runs so much faster.
I don't know what to do, i want a tablet with the s pen, but the hold note 3 is running smoother than my 2014 edition! !!
I guess i need help here !
And as i bought the item from usa eBay, I'll have to pay for the shipping to Samsung if i send them my tablet for repair !
Thank you very much for your help and advice !
Martin L.

Sure you have a problem, ignoring some performance stuff the device is very fast and have leading scores in benchmark
If you can, upload your benchmark scores

SherifMedhat said:
Sure you have a problem, ignoring some performance stuff the device is very fast and have leading scores in benchmark
If you can, upload your benchmark scores
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It all seams to be random. .. Now the gallery works perfectly.
Really looks to be a problem switching from a cpu to the other and stays on the 1.3
Right now, while typing this, i got an error saying the gallery has stopped working! !
Any idea which benchmark i should use ?

See attached is the print screen of a benchmark. .. Perfect score, exactly what i was expecting from this tablet.
But it definitively does not feel like it!

genius312 said:
See attached is the print screen of a benchmark. .. Perfect score, exactly what i was expecting from this tablet.
But it definitively does not feel like it!
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What firmware version is installed on your new Note 2014?
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genius312 said:
Runs great Sometimes, but sometimes I am note even able to browse picture on the default gallery. Still no apps installed! !!
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I have no problems with the gallery app. Before I bought the Note, I had the Xperia Tablet Z for a short time and it was much slower in the Gallery app. My JPEGs usually are about 10 MByte each and browsing hundreds of them works very well on the Note.

Where do i find the firmware ?
Model Number is sm-p600
Android 4.3
Kernel 3.4.39-204073
version jss15j.p600ueubmk1

genius312 said:
Where do i find the firmware?
version jss15j.p600ueub-----mk1
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You are on MK1 which is the latest in US as far as I'm aware.
Sent from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition via Tapatalk.

You have the current firmware, so that is not the issue. It is possible that you have a corrupted file somewhere that is causing a problem for an app.
To check this:
- Do have an SD card installed? If so, do the problems go away if you remove the card? I've seen cases (although, on earlier galaxy devices, not this one) where a corrupt jpeg file causes the gallery app to run constantly, slowing everything else down.
- You said it is always running at 1.3ghz. That could indicate a problem with an app running all the time in the background and slowing things down. When you are not using it for a while (e.g., at night) the CPU should slow down to deep sleep. If that is not happening and you want to figure which app running and keeping it at 1.3, trying downloading an app called BetterBatteryStats. It will show (after a bit of a learning curve) the CPU time for all your running apps.

GeorgeP said:
You have the current firmware, so that is not the issue. It is possible that you have a corrupted file somewhere that is causing a problem for an app.
To check this:
- Do have an SD card installed? If so, do the problems go away if you remove the card? I've seen cases (although, on earlier galaxy devices, not this one) where a corrupt jpeg file causes the gallery app to run constantly, slowing everything else down.
- You said it is always running at 1.3ghz. That could indicate a problem with an app running all the time in the background and slowing things down. When you are not using it for a while (e.g., at night) the CPU should slow down to deep sleep. If that is not happening and you want to figure which app running and keeping it at 1.3, trying downloading an app called BetterBatteryStats. It will show (after a bit of a learning curve) the CPU time for all your running apps.
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Thank you for your answer.
No sd card yet and i do not think i will need any. I have enough on my s4
I found the system slow so i did a factory reset from the menus.
It was still slow after so i did a hard reset.
If it is a corrupted file. .. That file is in the core files because the hard reset would have wipe it !
But it makes sense tho since the problem is random.
But every thing should be as smooth as the s4 and the note 3 ?
Not because it had a bigger screen. ..i should feel a little lag switching from photos to photos (or windows to windows) ?

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Not because it had a bigger screen.
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The bigger display area will make a difference. The N3 has a PPI of 386 and a 5.7" display. The N10.1-14 has a PPI of 299 and a 10.1" display. I'm too lazy to compute the actual display area but the N10.1-14's CPU/GPU is pushing at least 40% more pixels to the display.
I should feel a little lag switching from photos to photos (or windows to windows) ?
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The N3's much faster at transitions and app opening/closing than the N10.1-14. If you pinch-zoom to display all your home pages on the N3 it's fast; on the N10.1-14 not so much. I find that within apps the N10.1-14's fine and its performance reflects the high-end h/w. It'll stutter occasionally during a transition or in opening/closing apps but it's still plenty fast; at least to me. Hopefully performance will improve when we get 4.4/M-UX because the CES display units were impressively fast at pinch zooming and transitions.
Samsung's Gallery app has always had occasional indexing problems; especially with large numbers of photos and when cloud services are displayed in the Gallery. The next time it happens turn off Wi-Fi. It should instantly start responding normally. Once the indexing service has caught up the Gallery should be fine (until it indexes again).

BarryH_GEG said:
The bigger display area will make a difference. The N3 has a PPI of 386 and a 5.7" display. The N10.1-14 has a PPI of 299 and a 10.1" display. I'm too lazy to compute the actual display area but the N10.1-14's CPU/GPU is pushing at least 40% more pixels to the display.
The N3's much faster at transitions and app opening/closing than the N10.1-14. If you pinch-zoom to display all your home pages on the N3 it's fast; on the N10.1-14 not so much. I find that within apps the N10.1-14's fine and its performance reflects the high-end h/w. It'll stutter occasionally during a transition or in opening/closing apps but it's still plenty fast; at least to me. Hopefully performance will improve when we get 4.4/M-UX because the CES display units were impressively fast at pinch zooming and transitions.
Samsung's Gallery app has always had occasional indexing problems; especially with large numbers of photos and when cloud services are displayed in the Gallery. The next time it happens turn off Wi-Fi. It should instantly start responding normally. Once the indexing service has caught up the Gallery should be fine (until it indexes again).
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True, the N3 is a war machine !
But compared to my S4 then, it should at least be as fast !
I really like my S4, decent speed, never crashes.
Only holding the screen between 2 photos is lagging on the 10.1-14 !
But this is not my concern, the real problem is when it decides to run slower then my hold S2 !
And compared to the first gen 10.1, beside the interface which is way better on the 10.1-14, the speed seams faster on the old one and the touch screen works better with fingers too !

genius312 said:
True, the N3 is a war machine !
But compared to my S4 then, it should at least be as fast !
I really like my S4, decent speed, never crashes.
Only holding the screen between 2 photos is lagging on the 10.1-14 !
But this is not my concern, the real problem is when it decides to run slower then my hold S2 !
And compared to the first gen 10.1, beside the interface which is way better on the 10.1-14, the speed seams faster on the old one and the touch screen works better with fingers too !
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It is what it is my friend. You're running the latest U.S. s/w so unless you're having a h/w issue (doubtful) than the performance you're getting is the performance you're going to get. At least until updates hopefully speed of fluidity. The Tab/Note|Pro's running 4.4/M-UX appear significantly faster than the N10.1-14 and use the exact same h/w so the occasional lag we're seeing is curable with s/w.

Hopefully yes.
Is there any software I can install to see which CPU is running ?
Because when it runs great, I m happy with the little lag... not a big problem
But when it decides to stop, them everything is slow.
I see no updates running, if I empty the ram, it is still using 2.05 out of 3 ! ( I have 2 users)
Even switching from users to the other is slower then what I see on youtube (People showing that fonctionnality).
and WAAAY slower that the old nexus 10 I used.
Maybe the switching from 1 processor to the other is not perfect and gives problem a lot ...

Root and freeze or install all the bloat ware Inc my magazine. Download greenify and hibernate running apps, in developer options turn the animations to 0.5. Or try nova launcher too
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Root and freeze or install all the bloat ware Inc my magazine. Download greenify and hibernate running apps, in developer options turn the animations to 0.5. Or try nova launcher too
Sent from my SM-P600 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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reubenskelly1992 said:
Root and freeze or install all the bloat ware Inc my magazine. Download greenify and hibernate running apps, in developer options turn the animations to 0.5. Or try nova launcher too
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Not sure i understood it all. . But I'll try to decrypt.
I don't want to root it right now as I'm not sure i will keep it !!!
I know Nova launcher and was about to give it a try when i figured out the problem was not only the home screen. ..
Is it normal to be running almost all the time at 2.3gb out of 3 ?
I close all the apps on the 2 users, clear the ram and still running at 2.3-2.4gb
I only saw it once at 1.7!

genius312 said:
Not sure i understood it all. . But I'll try to decrypt.
I don't want to root it right now as I'm not sure i will keep it !!!
I know Nova launcher and was about to give it a try when i figured out the problem was not only the home screen. ..
Is it normal to be running almost all the time at 2.3gb out of 3 ?
I close all the apps on the 2 users, clear the ram and still running at 2.3-2.4gb
I only saw it once at 1.7!
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Yeah that sounds about right. You can go to settings > apps. >all. And click on the apps u don't use or u think could be running in the background and disable them. Also the less screen pages and widgets you have running the better. I'd recommend an app called clean master. It will clean your device. Before I rooted my ram was that hight but after rooting it can as low as 1.2. Generally on 1.5. And rarely goes over 2. Hope this helps
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reubenskelly1992 said:
Yeah that sounds about right. You can go to settings > apps. >all. And click on the apps u don't use or u think could be running in the background and disable them. Also the less screen pages and widgets you have running the better. I'd recommend an app called clean master. It will clean your device. Before I rooted my ram was that hight but after rooting it can as low as 1.2. Generally on 1.5. And rarely goes over 2. Hope this helps
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Se this morning it was at 1.9 Gb used out of 3 ! (2,71 in fact)
I have 3 apps opened now (facebook messenger, VLC et My Magazine) and I m using 2.54 ..... I think it s weird !
I only have 5 apps installed on it.
Also, I use swype to type text (slide my fingers through the keyboard) and sometimes it just doesn't work. I start sliding and it's like it cannot see my finger anymore. Works better with the pen again. Like I said previously, like it the screen has hard time to detect my finger on the screen.
Again, sometimes .. not always !
I think I m gonna see how much it will cost me to send it back to samsung and have it repaired .. I don't think all this is normal.
A lot of people say they bought tablets for 150$ and they works perfectly.
Yes mine does multi user, but at 150 I could have bought 4 of 'em + a lot of accessories !

genius312 said:
Se this morning it was at 1.9 Gb used out of 3 ! (2,71 in fact). I have 3 apps opened now (facebook messenger, VLC et My Magazine) and I m using 2.54 ..... I think it s weird ! I only have 5 apps installed on it.
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Don't confuse "apps" with "processes" and "services." Because of all Samsung's "stuff" (EG: Multi View, S Pen) there are a gazillion open processes running in the background anticipating being needed. If you go in to Task Manager and "clear RAM" you'll see 40-50 processes being closed. You really needn't worry about it because Android dynamically manages memory and if something in the foreground needs memory it'll prioritize what to close in the background. Also, Mali reserves probably 500MB for itself at all times so you never really had 3GB of RAM truly available. Samsung, not being a benevolent company, included 3GB of RAM in the N3 and N10.1-14 for a reason.
In other words, if you're having some type of performance issue it's highly doubtful it's being caused by RAM starvation.

Of course the ram is not the problem... even if there is only 300 mo free, that s enough to manage the program I run.
But I really hate when I cannot swipe to type, when the gallery is so buggy that I cannot browse my pictures ( 10 photos max... not linked with Dropbox or facebook), when I have to wait for the next page in the apps page, when I try to slide the page and it just doesn't t work.. have to do it twice or trice ... When I want to slide down the notifications but I have to try 3-5-6 or 7 times...
Switching pages in the S note take times...sometimes lag but that is not a problem for me... All the others tho really makes me feel like either that tablet is a crap or mine has a problem .
I would sincerely prefere the second
When it s not buggy it works great... but sooooo unstable