Confused about ROM bases - Verizon Droid Incredible 2

Confused about ROM bases - Verizon Droid Incredible 2

I'm trying to broaden my knowledge of the differences between ROMs. But I'm suffering from Information overload.
My current understanding that there are four/five types of ROMs:
1. ASOP, usually vanilla Android 2.3.7 No Sense anywhere, ROMs such as CM7, MIUI, Xplod, and Liquid
2a. Sense 2.1, based of dinc2 stock images? ROMs such as Carbonite Fusion, TSM, and SkyRaider Zeus and Sabotage Sense
2b. Sense 2.1 stripped of most Sense attributes. ROMs such as TwistSenseless and TSMvanilla
3. Sense 3.0, based off other phones stock images? ROMs such as Trinity2.0 or Virtuous Unity
4. Sense 3.5, based off something called 'runnymede'? ROMs such as RunnyDr0id, RCMix3D, Virtuous Affinity, JmzRunny, Magnolia, MikRunny etc
I wasn't attempting to include and exhaustive list of ROM examples. And left off ICS until it is out of Beta development.
So is my understanding close to accurate? Can someone help clarify my examples?
Thanks,
Zhin

I'd say you have a pretty good grasp of what's going on. That pretty much sums it up.
It's all based on personal preference on what you would like to run, All phones also run differently so you may have to experience multiple different ROMs to see which one you like the best.
People choose ROMs based on stability/performance/battery life, each base provides different experiences. Do you want a GSM phone or not? If you're interested in running world mode then your ROM choices just shrank.

The only thing that needs to be changed in this list would be that sabotage sense is based on 2.1 and has 3.0 parts added like skyraider Zeus.
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jrizk07 said:
I'd say you have a pretty good grasp of what's going on. That pretty much sums it up.
It's all based on personal preference on what you would like to run, All phones also run differently so you may have to experience multiple different ROMs to see which one you like the best.
People choose ROMs based on stability/performance/battery life, each base provides different experiences. Do you want a GSM phone or not? If you're interested in running world mode then your ROM choices just shrank.
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By "all phones", do you mean different models or different Incredible2's?
GSM is not a concern, but I did notice that only certain builds support it.

Zhindel said:
By "all phones", do you mean different models or different Incredible2's?
GSM is not a concern, but I did notice that only certain builds support it.
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Well, honestly different dinc2's as well. Some peoples phone doesn't wanna run cm7 very well, and some people have a phone that doesn't like sense much. Since every phone is different even in the slightest, every phone is gonna rugby slightly different.
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tylerlawhon said:
Well, honestly different dinc2's as well. Some peoples phone doesn't wanna run cm7 very well, and some people have a phone that doesn't like sense much. Since every phone is different even in the slightest, every phone is gonna rugby slightly different.
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Definitely, each dinc2 runs differently. Can run different clock speeds. It just depends on who made it and on what day of the week it was made on

jrizk07 said:
Definitely, each dinc2 runs differently. Can run different clock speeds. It just depends on who made it and on what day of the week it was made on
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Right. But yeah, bud I'd say you got just about all the ROMs in the right kinda category as far as understanding goes.
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[Q] Best updated Rom available for HTC Evo 4G

Hi Guys, I hope this topic is not repeated before.
I have HTC EVO 4G and since it got sluggish I want to root it I am a beginner so I dont have much experienced about rooting.
I looked here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/ROMs
there are many different roms available for Evo and also I checked here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951057
I found out the most populars are :
1- MIUI and 2-MikFroyo
Since I like SENSE I chose MikFroyo.
What do you guys thing about Gingerbread ? what are the differences ?
Is MikFroyo Sense 1, or 2 or 3 ?
I've heard Sense 2 and 3 have many bugs...
I wanna stick with Sense 1 and also having 4G is very important for me.
please Advise
thanks

Those roms are very popular... when you root, just create a backup and try each rom. That way you can make your own decision of what you like. If you don't like the rom just flash another or restore your backup.

Myn. RLS 5 its older but still great and my fav. Is has cured my flashing addiction for 8 months I had rls3-5
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I am a huge fan of Myn's ROM's. Still running RS 5. Have tried tons of others, but always go back to Myn's.
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You won't go wrong with myn Rom. But if you care about speed and performance along with lots of themes and options, mikfroyo is a great starting point. I am a long time user of both mik and myn roms and I like them both.
themikmik.com
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I'd like to put in a good word for Koni's Elite. Series 3 is stable and smooth like butter, and Series 4is on its way. Great theming throughout, and still active development. Full of win!
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I like Sense too, I think most roms (including Myns and MikFroyo) are unnecessarily cheesy in their design. Keep in mind if you want to run gingerbread roms, the kernel won't work properly with Novatec screens (stays full brightness). I'm currently on the DesireHD port but it has no 4g :\

Plutonium roms are very good. The most recent update was today, err yesterday. Everything works and it looks fantastic

ok, here goes.
first of all, yes this has been asked a thousand times per day, but people have fun answering them
sense roms are based off stock evo sprint software. if you like sense roms, you best choices will be:
myn's warm twopointtwo, for a smooth, themed, and slick stockish experiance, try this oldie but goodie.
mikfroyo, updated more often. optimized way over the top. i personally don't like the theme, and think if you want that speed go for aosp, but whatever. a bunch of people like it.
koni's elite. one of the newer good sense roms. good themeing. fast. optimized. everything else the other two have, just different...
aosp roms are based off stock google source code. they are not built for the evo (or until like 2 weeks ago, not built for sprint, cdma, or wimax) but have been ported exelently. these are much faster than sense, and about half the size. they have a different look, feel, and functionality though. they are based on gingerbread, not froyo like stock evo.
cm7 (cyanogenmod 7): simply the best. most other aosp roms based off of this. a gigantic project that spans across ~30 phones with ~24 official developers and many more unnoficially contributing to the open sourced code. fast, stable, WORKING 4G AND HDMI!!! (took monts to do those 2). everything works (except 720p video recording, but 480 is just as good). really, try this one first. nightlys are released every night, stables are not. you can see the very complicated changelog along with links here: http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=supersonic
miui: based (sorta i think) off cm7. very iphone-like rom. built to have the best of iphone and android, with some added goodies. i persoanlly don't like it, but many swear by it. sorta a you like it or you don't thing. 4g doesn't work.
deck's: another cm7 based rom. basically slimmed down cm7. idk why you'd need to slim something already half the size of sense down further, but some people claim unreal battery life. 4g and hdmi also work cuz it's based on cm7
savagedzen rom: NOT built from cm7 (yes, this is a bragging right), very stock gingerbread, with lots of kernel tweaks. not based on cm7, yet 4g and hdmi work.
salvagemod: even more stock gingerbread. 4g works. not hdmi.
ports: the name explains it all. 4g doens't work for these, except the rare exceptions. virus is the one who's ripping out port after port after port recently.
a sense hd port: mik and myn both have one of these. froyo with sense 2.1. no 4g.
virus gingersense: sense 2.1, gingerbread. no 4g, but the rest is working.
virus kingdom port: based on an unreleased, unrevealed device called the htc kingdom. 4G WORKS. still in deep beta. sense 3.0, and gingerbread. sense 3.0 is pretty crazy.
so yeah. i personally use cm7 with tiamat 4.0.2 kernel and a modnation theme (whichever we r testing). try as many as u like. if you like it, make a backup.
edit: wow. this is long. lol

dkdude36 said:
ok, here goes.
first of all, yes this has been asked a thousand times per day, but people have fun answering them
sense roms are based off stock evo sprint software. if you like sense roms, you best choices will be:
myn's warm twopointtwo, for a smooth, themed, and slick stockish experiance, try this oldie but goodie.
mikfroyo, updated more often. optimized way over the top. i personally don't like the theme, and think if you want that speed go for aosp, but whatever. a bunch of people like it.
koni's elite. one of the newer good sense roms. good themeing. fast. optimized. everything else the other two have, just different...
aosp roms are based off stock google source code. they are not built for the evo (or until like 2 weeks ago, not built for sprint, cdma, or wimax) but have been ported exelently. these are much faster than sense, and about half the size. they have a different look, feel, and functionality though. they are based on gingerbread, not froyo like stock evo.
cm7 (cyanogenmod 7): simply the best. most other aosp roms based off of this. a gigantic project that spans across ~30 phones with ~24 official developers and many more unnoficially contributing to the open sourced code. fast, stable, WORKING 4G AND HDMI!!! (took monts to do those 2). everything works (except 720p video recording, but 480 is just as good). really, try this one first. nightlys are released every night, stables are not. you can see the very complicated changelog along with links here: http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=supersonic
miui: based (sorta i think) off cm7. very iphone-like rom. built to have the best of iphone and android, with some added goodies. i persoanlly don't like it, but many swear by it. sorta a you like it or you don't thing. 4g doesn't work.
deck's: another cm7 based rom. basically slimmed down cm7. idk why you'd need to slim something already half the size of sense down further, but some people claim unreal battery life. 4g and hdmi also work cuz it's based on cm7
savagedzen rom: NOT built from cm7 (yes, this is a bragging right), very stock gingerbread, with lots of kernel tweaks. not based on cm7, yet 4g and hdmi work.
salvagemod: even more stock gingerbread. 4g works. not hdmi.
ports: the name explains it all. 4g doens't work for these, except the rare exceptions. virus is the one who's ripping out port after port after port recently.
a sense hd port: mik and myn both have one of these. froyo with sense 2.1. no 4g.
virus gingersense: sense 2.1, gingerbread. no 4g, but the rest is working.
virus kingdom port: based on an unreleased, unrevealed device called the htc kingdom. 4G WORKS. still in deep beta. sense 3.0, and gingerbread. sense 3.0 is pretty crazy.
so yeah. i personally use cm7 with tiamat 4.0.2 kernel and a modnation theme (whichever we r testing). try as many as u like. if you like it, make a backup.
edit: wow. this is long. lol
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This should be stickied or referenced somehow. Just sayin'
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Solicitous said:
This should be stickied or referenced somehow. Just sayin'
Sent from my Evo
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lol. i'll keep it bookmarked, and update it as i need... i think i'll copy and paste this alot...

dkdude36 said:
lol. i'll keep it bookmarked, and update it as i need... i think i'll copy and paste this alot...
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Sounds good dude, I can imagine a lot of effort was taken into typing it. Good effort should be recognized

Solicitous said:
Sounds good dude, I can imagine a lot of effort was taken into typing it. Good effort should be recognized
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lol i was like in a computer trance (had a long, testful day) just sorta staring at the screen with my fingers going 'taptaptap' on they keys. you know...

Thank you so much guys ESPECIALLY dkdude36 it was really helpful..

Eternal Prophecy 5.9 is fast and is built for great battery life. Also the dev is great at listening to ideas to make it better.
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Solicitous said:
This should be stickied or referenced somehow. Just sayin'
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+1. very informative. thank you.

I promise u that u will love miui and the great thing about miui well I should say one of the many great things about miui is that there are weekly updates . Every single Friday sometimes Saturday an update is released usually to fix any bugs.
I have been an miui user for months now and I can honestly say it cured my flashaholicism <--new word just added to the dictionary
Any way like every one said nandroid back up and give it a spin
There are so many great roms to choose from
*MiUi* Evo has Evolved

ROM is really user dependent. As long as you get a stable build try a bunch out. I tried mikfroyo, CM6, and a few random others before landing on Myn Warm Z twopointtwo. Just experiment and see what you like. If you like sense, try a sense based ROM. Most are optimized and are lightyears faster than the stock evo ROM.
Just look at what you want from a ROM, if 4g and HDMI aren't a huge concern theres a pretty extensive list of ROM's you can flash and enjoy!

Looking for the rite Rom

Looking for a Rom that has sense 2.1 or 2.2 with 4G and a working Netflix app.. can anyone help??
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i have found that cyanogenmod 7 seems to be the best rom for the Evo.ive read several reviews,and cm7 version7.0 is the most stable.ive been rooted for 3 months now and went back to the stock sense UI,and forgot how ugly it is.so,i immediately switched back

Best rom with 100% everything working, stable, fast, latest technology evo 4g can support, etc, etc ==> Ginger-AleV3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1049750

obi_8t4 said:
Looking for a Rom that has sense 2.1 or 2.2 with 4G and a working Netflix app.. can anyone help??
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Try THIS.
posting & replying via the XDA Premium app.

ryan prevatt said:
i have found that cyanogenmod 7 seems to be the best rom for the Evo.ive read several reviews,and cm7 version7.0 is the most stable.ive been rooted for 3 months now and went back to the stock sense UI,and forgot how ugly it is.so,i immediately switched back
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Uhh, no offense but with it's flat colors, and minimal color schemes, black white and green, CM7 at base is WAY uglier than any polished Sense ROM.....

aaanadie said:
Best rom with 100% everything working, stable, fast, latest technology evo 4g can support, etc, etc ==> Ginger-AleV3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1049750
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If that works so good, and same with CM7, why does it need daily updates?

HipKat said:
Uhh, no offense but with it's flat colors, and minimal color schemes, black white and green, CM7 at base is WAY uglier than any polished Sense ROM.....
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dude, themes. want me to show some screenies? cuz mine looks pretty damn cool...
btw no sense 2 roms have 4g, but virus's kingdom port has 4g
here's the 4th time i've used this today. here's a quote from an earlier post of mine. rundown of evo roms pretty much.
ok, here goes.
first of all, yes this has been asked a thousand times per day, but people have fun answering them
sense roms are based off stock evo sprint software. if you like sense roms, you best choices will be:
myn's warm twopointtwo, for a smooth, themed, and slick stockish experiance, try this oldie but goodie.
mikfroyo, updated more often. optimized way over the top. i personally don't like the theme, and think if you want that speed go for aosp, but whatever. a bunch of people like it.
koni's elite. one of the newer good sense roms. good themeing. fast. optimized. everything else the other two have, just different...
aosp roms are based off stock google source code. they are not built for the evo (or until like 2 weeks ago, not built for sprint, cdma, or wimax) but have been ported exelently. these are much faster than sense, and about half the size. they have a different look, feel, and functionality though. they are based on gingerbread, not froyo like stock evo.
cm7 (cyanogenmod 7): simply the best. most other aosp roms based off of this. a gigantic project that spans across ~30 phones with ~24 official developers and many more unnoficially contributing to the open sourced code. fast, stable, WORKING 4G AND HDMI!!! (took monts to do those 2). everything works (except 720p video recording, but 480 is just as good). really, try this one first. nightlys are released every night, stables are not. you can see the very complicated changelog along with links here: http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=supersonic
miui: based (sorta i think) off cm7. very iphone-like rom. built to have the best of iphone and android, with some added goodies. i persoanlly don't like it, but many swear by it. sorta a you like it or you don't thing. 4g doesn't work.
deck's: another cm7 based rom. basically slimmed down cm7. idk why you'd need to slim something already half the size of sense down further, but some people claim unreal battery life. 4g and hdmi also work cuz it's based on cm7
savagedzen rom: NOT built from cm7 (yes, this is a bragging right), very stock gingerbread, with lots of kernel tweaks. not based on cm7, yet 4g and hdmi work.
salvagemod: even more stock gingerbread. 4g works. not hdmi.
ports: the name explains it all. 4g doens't work for these, except the rare exceptions. virus is the one who's ripping out port after port after port recently.
a sense hd port: mik and myn both have one of these. froyo with sense 2.1. no 4g.
virus gingersense: sense 2.1, gingerbread. no 4g, but the rest is working.
virus kingdom port: based on an unreleased, unrevealed device called the htc kingdom. 4G WORKS. still in deep beta. sense 3.0, and gingerbread. sense 3.0 is pretty crazy.
so yeah. i personally use cm7 with tiamat 4.0.2 kernel and a modnation theme (whichever we r testing). try as many as u like. if you like it, make a backup.

Official ICS Petition

Does anyone know if there is one or how we can start one if there's not?? I think if we could get official ICS even with sense we could adapt the kernel like we have for gingerbread to make it AOSP for those who're the senseless type.
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tylerlawhon said:
Does anyone know if there is one or how we can start one if there's not?? I think if we could get official ICS even with sense we could adapt the kernel like we have for gingerbread to make it AOSP for those who're the senseless type.
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Odds are very slim that it'll ever happen, doesn't much matter though, there are HTC phones with Adreno 205 that are gonna get official ICS so porting it is gonna be almost a guarantee. Doesn't really matter much though because it looks like all of the current HTC phones that are getting ICS are just getting Sense 3.5 with a different dock anyway. Hopefully sense 4.0 actually looks different and is more like vanilla ICS, I like the glass and glossy look but they really need to reinvent their UI since AOSP ICS is such a giant step in a new direction.

dankblaze said:
Odds are very slim that it'll ever happen, doesn't much matter though, there are HTC phones with Adreno 205 that are gonna get official ICS so porting it is gonna be almost a guarantee. Doesn't really matter much though because it looks like all of the current HTC phones that are getting ICS are just getting Sense 3.5 with a different dock anyway. Hopefully sense 4.0 actually looks different and is more like vanilla ICS, I like the glass and glossy look but they really need to reinvent their UI since AOSP ICS is such a giant step in a new direction.
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Yeah, I'm just saying it'd be even better if we got it from HTC for this phone. If not, then we'll still get sick ports, but I'd like to see straight from them.
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Looking for a stable/fully featured ROM.

Hi everyone, my Incredible 2 just arrived and I'm about ready to root it and flash a ROM. I first wanted to try the CM7 stable build because they're "official" developers in my opinion, but I read some posts and there seems to be some issues with various small things. I looked at the nightlies and those still seem to have issues as well. Then I looked over here at the CM7Kangs, but something seems to tell me that CM isn't completely stable in itself. Whether it does or doesn't have Sense, etc. I'm just interested in a new ROM that is stable and fully functional (cameras work, GPS works, etc). The main reason for flashing a new ROM is because I don't want all the bloatware that comes with this thing, and even if it isn't cutting edge, I'm sure it can be faster than stock. Any suggestions guys?
EDIT: I hear Skyraider Zeus/MIUI are good. I found Skyraider Zeus 1.3 on the internet, but what versions of MIUI are stable? I hear this ROM has good reviews too

http://roms.miui.us/ 1.12.9 is stable an totally functional works good with areoevans .7 bfs kernel
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http://www.teambamf.net/f37/[rom][gb]-skyraider-zeus-1-3-inc2-[update-11-22-2011]-2725/
This is skyraiders link which is a top notch sense rom.

Skyraider's roms are top notch. All the current cm7 kangs work without flaws. Miui12.9 is awesome. Also look into condemned sense rom, any of nits work, alot of people are running mikrunny 3.5
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Thanks! Just wondering, is Skyraider Zeus overclockable? I looked at the post and the only kernel it mentions is the "HTC OTA update". IIRC, you need a special kernel to OC, don't you?
Also, my question above is the same for the MIUI 1.12.9 ROM. Can it be OC'd? is it fully stable on the non-aeroevan kernel?

Yes you can us dres kernel found in development forum for skyraiders and miui I recommend using areovans kernel due to stock kernel can cause a few issues (low in call volume and for some data is not reliable)
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another vote for SkyRaider Zeus. if you want a ROM you can set and forget, this is it. everything works, except for Verizon's wifi tether in the "quick launch", but that's it. it's just as reliable as stock or better, has tons of features and extras built in. a lot of thought, and time went into this, it is truly a complete Sense ROM.
never tried AOSP ROMs so i can't comment.
good luck in your search. at least try Zeus, you won't be disappointed.

I personally haven't tried miui so I wont comment on that. There are plenty of great roms out there. I am currently using the latest cm7 nightly as my DD (#134 I think?) with excellent results! I cant remember seeing any issues since i flashed it. I am going on nearly a month with zero issues. Before this rom I tried out New To Root's Incredible 2 HD RLS v1.1 which was also a flawless rom from my experience. I had no luck with the RC releases of cm7 but I know of others who love them.
I like to run sense from time to time but I always go back to aosp for the customization possibilities it offers.
In the end, none of us can tell you what the best rom for you is. I can say that in general if you want a rom that you can flash and forget about it you will probably want to go with a rom that has been around for a while, preferably one that is in RC or Final status.
My advice is to try a few so you can see whether you like miui, aosp, or sence. Once you figure that out then just try a few of that type to find one that suits you.
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Well I've never even used a smartphone before other than when occasionally using my brother's iPhone 4, so the interface won't be a big deal. I'll adapt and enjoy whatever I end up using. I just want to use something that's stable (in the sense that it's fully featured and nothing randomly messes up) and fast. Skyraider Zeus and the various CM7 kangs seem to accomplish this. I'll have to think harder on which one i want to use. The CM7 kang i'm looked at is by Condemned Soul. I can't really post in that forum yet, so I'm using this thread as a way to get this type of information.
The CM7 kang that he made is already able to OC I believe because of the CM kernel...so that's a plus because I'd really just want to flash the phone and enjoy using it. I like tinkering with stuff, but I don't want to constantly worry about flashing/unflashing and causing instability. I need this phone to last until the next upgrade. The thing is, "Sense" seems really interesting. People say it looks nice and has lots of features, but I've never really experienced these features anyway, so maybe I should go with CM7.

I always hear people talking about how stable MIUI is, but that has not been my experience with MIUI at all. I have tried MIUI three or four times on a few different android devices each time following the install instructions exactly. Wiped factory reset, dalvik, permissions battery stats etc. all the default ROM install stuff.
Each time MIUI boots up fine and works well for about 3 hours and then randomly reboots and glitches forcing me come back to the stable CM7 version.
I really want to like MIUI, but my experiences seem to be very different than most people.

Interestingly enough, when I googled the word "issues" on Cyanogenmod's stable forum, they mentioned stuff about Skype having problems with audio that was fixed in the non-stable nightly #134. This is why I am wondering if CM7 is truly stable or not. I'm not sure how to track errors/issues, so I don't know what the nightlies have improved upon, and I definitely don't know what the kangs improve on/fix.

If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.

jrizk07 said:
If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
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I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
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What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
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Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)

ma70ent said:
I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
The drivers are mostly what's different. Because HTC uses sense originally, Sense is going to be what works the best. It's not that it can't run AOSP but that sense is going to run without problems because that's what it was made to run.
What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
All the features work in most ROM's like that. Some ROM's (Mostly AOSP) have issues where the camera is stretched (front facing cam on miui). You're not really losing anything on other ROM's it's just that they work differently.
Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
Sense 2.1 has the older stuff, it's probably going to be the fastest out of the rest of them because it has the least amount of stuff in it. This is what comes on the phone stock and what Skyraider runs.
Sense 3.0 incorporated new features like a new lock screen, new weather app, weather animations, sounds, display features, dial pad, messaging. It's running more stuff so in order to run correctly you would have to use a rom that's optimized.
Sense 3.5 is the newest and also has different features but it's very close to 3.0. Just about everything is the same that you can see but there are differences behind the scenes. Also there are no camera issues unless someone puts out a ROM that was quickly thrown together.
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I say you skip 3.0 altogether and run either 2.1 or 3.5. Anything is better than stock with all the bloat so try skyraider or andybonesstock.
If you wanna try 3.5 go with MikRunny 1.01 and in the display turn off the 3d widget features. See how that runs on your phone, It's flawless on mine, I get no lag but again different phones run differently.

Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.

ma70ent said:
Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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I don't think you will need to over clock. I haven't needed to on this phone. I have tested it and all it did for me was reduce battery life and improve benchmark scores. I haven't been able to tell a difference in actual usage whether I run at 1ghz or 1.8ghz so I opt for better battery life. The only rom that I benefitted from overclocking on was one of the really early ICS builds.
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To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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Rickinsav said:
To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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The fact that you're on 2.3.4 means you need to use a downgrade tool and go down to 2.3.3. Then you'll use software called "Revolutionary" to get root, etc. If you search for "nat3mills" on youtube, and look under his videos for incredible 2 stuff, he has step by step tutorials on how to do all of this. That's what I'm going to do. Hopefully XDA doesn't penalize me for referencing this youtube user. Good luck!
EDIT: Also I'd like to ask everyone, since you feel there is no point in overclocking, is there a way to undervolt with any of these ROMs? Specifically SkyRaider Zeus/CM7 (asking because these seem to be the two common choices for people, and I figured this thread could now be used as a good reference) My logic behind undervolting is that if you can overclock it drastically on stock voltage (which is what I assume SRZ and CM7 are on) then you can probably keep it at stock clocks and undervolt it for better battery life/temperatures.
EDIT #2: Ok I was just looking in CondemnedSoul's CM7Kang thread. Apparently there is an app called Incredicontrol that let's you mess with voltages. Just to make sure, CM7 in itself only has the ability to control clock speeds (under/overclock) and not voltages, right? This means that Incredicontrol is necessary to mess with voltages?

from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.

Number R09 said:
from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.

ma70ent said:
Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
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Not necessarily...desktops and laptops and phones (hardware in particular) is built to run within certain voltage limits. Undervolting CAN help but not in all situations, and especially when running at max-min frequency can cause major instability in a speed-step cycle.
It is usually safe to undervolt a little bit with most hardware - but radios in general can be affected by voltage. Test all hardware with stress testing to ensure it is safe FOR YOUR PARTICULAR PHONE.
Background : MS in Computer Science (Heavy Unix Background)
To keep the thread on track - this phone was meant to run with Sense 2.1 - if you sync multiple email accounts or run many apps (buggy or not) you should probably stick with Sense 2.1. If you arent a demanding mobile phone user try anything else. I wish the AOSP builds were more compatible with HTC - and if AOSP isnt integrated into any HTC phones in the future I may switch to another manufacturer.

Whats Better

Hey Guys whats better my cousin keeps on bugging me and he dosen't like my oppinion so I'll aks you guys instead so that he'll finally stop so
What do you guys think
AOKP or HTC Sense?

Better in what way?
To me its all a matter of preference. I've never been able to stand a Sense ROM more than a week.

biohazrd51 said:
Better in what way?
To me its all a matter of preference. I've never been able to stand a Sense ROM more than a week.
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Overall Performance and the Camera Quality

Again, its a matter of preference. Some people like Cameras apps from other ROMs, or off the market. Performance is a mixed bag too. I never had much luck with Sense 3.0 or 3.5 ROMs with performance, but other people say it works flawless.
Just give him the advice that probably 90% of the people here would: try them out and find out what works for you.

But if your looking for an opinion... the best cameras I've used have been in sense roms, but other than for the camera I can't stand sense, never cared much for eye candy.
I prefer speed and stability so I would say the best is aosp, aokp, cm, even miui. But never sense... again just adding my 0.02$
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Thankyou alot guys now I could review for my tests on Monday

If you're talking bout something at the level of ICS 4.0.4, then I would say 'performance' wise AOKP is going to be better in general, not as much 'eye-candy' and such you'd get from Sense. (As far as I know, no Sense ICS rom has a working camera yet).
But if you're talking Gingerbread and earlier, it's really going to depend on the custom Rom. For example AOKP is most likely going to out perform a stock sense install, but a custom Sense Rom could be on par.
Guess it depends on where your priorities are, do you need more eye candy, or are you aiming more for raw performance/functionality?

kbeezie said:
If you're talking bout something at the level of ICS 4.0.4, then I would say 'performance' wise AOKP is going to be better in general, not as much 'eye-candy' and such you'd get from Sense. (As far as I know, no Sense ICS rom has a working camera yet).
But if you're talking Gingerbread and earlier, it's really going to depend on the custom Rom. For example AOKP is most likely going to out perform a stock sense install, but a custom Sense Rom could be on par.
Guess it depends on where your priorities are, do you need more eye candy, or are you aiming more for raw performance/functionality?
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There are some ICS Roms that have camera and camcoreder working on the DZ, like Ice Cream Jibwich and AOKP bulids for vision (those were the only ROMS I got to try, so those are the only ones I know. )

The Android Manual said:
There are some ICS Roms that have camera and camcoreder working on the DZ, like Ice Cream Jibwich and AOKP bulids for vision (those were the only ROMS I got to try, so those are the only ones I know. )
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But are either of them SENSE 4.0? I was specifically referring to Sense Roms. I know some work, as I'm using an ICS rom where it works.

kbeezie said:
But are either of them SENSE 4.0? I was specifically referring to Sense Roms. I know some work, as I'm using an ICS rom where it works.
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ahh... well none yet but once the DHD gets that ICS update Dev's we'll get that Sense 4.0 camera up and running!
and hey why is that Kernel 3.0 from the DHD so important? the people from the Desire S forums have it already.

If ur cousin want a best camera yet performance out of it,get the xperia sense by taz instead..it doest use sense as launcher,but use xperia launcher which was really light..like running 17mb for me.. it's a fast yet with function of sense
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