I bought my GSII used, already rooted, with a custom ROM already loaded on it.
I have to ask - since I never used one with a 100% pure stock ROM - is it really THAT MUCH faster with a custom?
I am currently running Juggs 5.0 - but if I went back to 100% stock would I feel that much difference?
JWhipple said:
I bought my GSII used, already rooted, with a custom ROM already loaded on it.
I have to ask - since I never used one with a 100% pure stock ROM - is it really THAT MUCH faster with a custom?
I am currently running Juggs 5.0 - but if I went back to 100% stock would I feel that much difference?
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It's not really about speed. But with a custom ROM you definitely have more customizations possible. You can change the look of the interface, the notification toggles, colors etc. I have the i9100, which is another variant of the SGS2 and I've had ICS for a couple of months now, but it's not getting officially released until this month some time. So, it's not really about speed but rather about the freedom to do other things with it. Some people might cite benchmark tests, and scream that I'm wrong, but the hardware is what makes your phone fast...the software's not at all going to choke that out (whether stock or custom). As far as speed goes, you're probably not going to notice the difference.
Also, though you've got root access which enables you to install apps and do things you just can't do otherwise.
All that said, there are certain advantages to stock. It's often times more stable than something custom. There are ups and downs. If you feel the need to experiment, you can always flash back. Just read a lot before you get your feet wet (it is very possible to brick your device if you muck it up) and you'll be fine.
I don't think so. I'm going to get flamed plenty I'm sure but I don't see much improvement over how my phone performed out of the box. I think the battery life may even have been better before I started flashing stuff.
I should have stated in my original post - I am definitely not a n00b to Android or to flashing/rooting. I can understand the customization aspect, but honestly other than flashing, I have never had a real use for Root access.
I can flash something with a new custom interface or colors and always end up coming back to something that has the stock look about it... In this case, I've tried almost every available custom ROM and keep coming back to Juggs .
I ask about speed though because all the ROM cooks seem to try to use that as a selling point... "FAST!" "Butter smooth!" blah blah blah ...
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I should have stated in my original post - I am definitely not a n00b to Android or to flashing/rooting. I can understand the customization aspect, but honestly other than flashing, I have never had a real use for Root access.
I can flash something with a new custom interface or colors and always end up coming back to something that has the stock look about it... In this case, I've tried almost every available custom ROM and keep coming back to Juggs .
I ask about speed though because all the ROM cooks seem to try to use that as a selling point... "FAST!" "Butter smooth!" blah blah blah ...
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After I posted, I looked at your tag, and assumed as much with 700+ posts, you've been around the XDA block.
Really? No need for root?! I'm a flashing junkie (well, okay, that's exaggerated. it comes and goes in spurts) TitaniumBackup is my friend. Also CWM is a gift.
Agreed, stock ICS is love. But I do also like certain tweaks, i.e. the %-battery indicator (and while we're on the subject, I've got a little Android logo with a % indicator for my battery...I wonder why Android devs don't include little things like that).
Yeah, your best bet is to try some out. But IMHO devs talk too much in that regard. I'll probably get flamed if any read this, but devs are kinda like used car salesmen in that regard. They've got a product that they want you to use, so they try to sell it. Can't say I blame 'em, really. But again IMO, most of it's hype.
I didn't think you were new to Android since your account is almost 4 years old so I'd assumed you were familiar with all the "benefits" of rooting. The phone is so nice out of the box I don't think any of the roms are any smoother or better on battery. I think Warfare is probably the best on battery and for me CM7 was easliy the worst. I didn't notice a change in data speed, 2d smoothness, 3d smoothness, battery cover smoothness... Nothing. The device is so nice out of the box and I don't use it for anything other than a phone, text messaging, web browsing, e-mail, Skype, the occasional slicing of fruit or a word or two with friends so I can't comment on all the added functionality all the "super-duper heavy users" of this device probably use on custom roms. The only reason mine is rooted is for an ad host file and the occasional tether.
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sean is here. said:
After I posted, I looked at your tag, and assumed as much with 700+ posts, you've been around the XDA block.
Really? No need for root?! I'm a flashing junkie (well, okay, that's exaggerated. it comes and goes in spurts) TitaniumBackup is my friend. Also CWM is a gift.
Agreed, stock ICS is love. But I do also like certain tweaks, i.e. the %-battery indicator (and while we're on the subject, I've got a little Android logo with a % indicator for my battery...I wonder why Android devs don't include little things like that).
Yeah, your best bet is to try some out. But IMHO devs talk too much in that regard. I'll probably get flamed if any read this, but devs are kinda like used car salesmen in that regard. They've got a product that they want you to use, so they try to sell it. Can't say I blame 'em, really. But again IMO, most of it's hype.
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When I had a Fascinate... I was a huge fan of overclocking and undervolting. The same when I had a Thunderbolt. It made everything smoother and the Thunderbolt especially needed help in the battery area. This device just works. No need for anything other than what it came with for me. Obviously that didn't stop me from flashing the development section... But hey, I have a problem.
Warfare is very good.but,no advantage so far.
For me,im back on stock.just works better for me (doesnt mean I wont have a flash attack).
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JWhipple said:
I bought my GSII used, already rooted, with a custom ROM already loaded on it.
I have to ask - since I never used one with a 100% pure stock ROM - is it really THAT MUCH faster with a custom?
I am currently running Juggs 5.0 - but if I went back to 100% stock would I feel that much difference?
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the thing with our device is that it came sooo sick straight out of the box that you don't really need to improve it that much. However, custom ROMs/kernels generally make the ROMs smoother, but not many people notice the difference.
I actually notice that because of the kernels implemented with certain ROMs, our phone is able to RUN just as smooth at a lower clockspeed which saves us battery. Other than that, I don't think Custom ROMs are actually "SMOOTHER" or faster than the stock ROM because Samsung really did well on this phone.
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Warfare is very good.but,no advantage so far.
For me,im back on stock.just works better for me (doesnt mean I wont have a flash attack).
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I'm going to look for a ROM that is close to stock as possible but rooted... try it for a week and if I can.live with the speed I'm going back to stock via Odin.
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I'm going to look for a ROM that is close to stock as possible but rooted... try it for a week and if I can.live with the speed I'm going back to stock via Odin.
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The main difference is the bloatware which really does make an impact on speed, memory consumption and overall smoothness.
Some rom cook faster, you should choose the rom cook by team have many vote on forum.
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I was just going to start a similar thread actually. I have watched videos of the different ROM's that we can install on the T989 variant to get an idea of what's available and what I like. Currently SlickMOD ROM looks the smoothest with the best battery life.
Having said that, in the video that I saw, when quadrant was run on SlickMOD, while it was overclocked, the score was approx 2690. When I ran Quadrant on my Stock ROM (rooted Stock ROM without being overclocked either) I got a score of 3199. Also, after 16 hours of use I still usually have more than 50% battery life.
Other than the options for different themes and customizations and ROM control, are custom ROMs going to provide better performance and battery life than what I am already receiving with my Stock? I mean I really want to give the other ROM's a try, but the reason would be for speed and battery life and right now both are pretty good for me on Stock. Thoughts/Suggestions?
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Don't want to root. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DTgvLPOYLg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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What the hell does this have to do with the discussion?
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I was just going to start a similar thread actually. I have watched videos of the different ROM's that we can install on the T989 variant to get an idea of what's available and what I like. Currently SlickMOD ROM looks the smoothest with the best battery life.
Having said that, in the video that I saw, when quadrant was run on SlickMOD, while it was overclocked, the score was approx 2690. When I ran Quadrant on my Stock ROM (rooted Stock ROM without being overclocked either) I got a score of 3199. Also, after 16 hours of use I still usually have more than 50% battery life.
Other than the options for different themes and customizations and ROM control, are custom ROMs going to provide better performance and battery life than what I am already receiving with my Stock? I mean I really want to give the other ROM's a try, but the reason would be for speed and battery life and right now both are pretty good for me on Stock. Thoughts/Suggestions?
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Generally speaking (I don't own this device) stock ROMs will normally get better battery life. Custom ROMs can approach stock, in this regard, but I'd be way beyond surprised if a cook made a ROM that had better battery life than Google's team of Android developers.
Problem with SlickMOD is that the dev's T989 broke and he isn't getting another one - so - development has HALTED.
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Generally speaking (I don't own this device) stock ROMs will normally get better battery life. Custom ROMs can approach stock, in this regard, but I'd be way beyond surprised if a cook made a ROM that had better battery life than Google's team of Android developers.
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Makes sense, just for fun I ran Quadrant again on my Stock Rooted ROM and got a 3358. Maybe I should reconsider switching to a different ROM for now. Stock is very stable with no real issues/concerns. thanks for the response.
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Makes sense, just for fun I ran Quadrant again on my Stock Rooted ROM and got a 3358. Maybe I should reconsider switching to a different ROM for now. Stock is very stable with no real issues/concerns. thanks for the response.
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Which stock-rooted ROM are you running? Mr. X's ?
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Which stock-rooted ROM are you running? Mr. X's ?
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It's the Stock ROM that came with my phone. I rooted the phone but haven't flashed any custom kernel's or custom ROMs on my phone. I also use Zeam Launcher as opposed to the TW Launcher by default. I have turned off animations, limited my homescreens to 3. I don't use too many widgets and I use an all black background. Also running Juice Defender to help with battery but I don't think that affects performance/speed.
Model Number = SGH-T898D
Android Version = 2.3.5
Baseband Version = T989DTLKJ3
Kernel Version = 2.6.35.11
Build Number = GINGERBREAD.TLKJ3
I don't know if that helps or answers your question. Hope that helps.
I'm willing to bet that the performance gains that are being seen on the Stock ROMs is due to the fact that they are ODEXed. By DeODEXing the ROMs can be customized to the cook's heart's content, but there is a mild performance hit taken.
Thoughts?
I am going to root and set up a friends phone most likely with aokp (I have used it on my note and it seems solid). Is this a strong choice? I am looking to give him back something with all the bells and whistles along with better performance/battery life. I guess that is somewhat redundant of me to say.
Also what kernels have you found to work well with your rom?
I also want it to be something that he does not need to maintain after I give it to him as it will likely be me updating for him until he gets comfortable with having more control of his device.
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I also want it to be something that he does not need to maintain after I give it to him as it will likely be me updating for him until he gets comfortable with having more control of his device.
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Leave the device stock and give him a few hints for apps that will help him do what he wants to do.
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Leave the device stock and give him a few hints for apps that will help him do what he wants to do.
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+1 for this. Stock is the best way to go (without root) if he doesn't actually know how to maintain a custom rom or know the security issues associated with rooting hour phone. If he decides in the future that he then wants more from his device, he can learn about custom roms and try flashing himself. Trust me this is the best option, I made this mistake a while ago with a friend of mine who wasn't a tech geek and all he did was complain about the issues associated with the custom rom (cm9) as he had no clue how to fix them and most of the time it was an issue with how the user operated.
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AOKP is the way to go for a custom ROM in my opinion. It has so many options over stock that just help ease the use and make so much more of the device.
There is no reason why he would need to keep updating custon Roms if you put something solid on there. It is not like when he runs stock he would update it all the time. He would be running the same stock Rom for a while so what would be the difference if he runs a custom Rom for while. Why would he need to go through every build as others are saying...
Build 33 was just released for AOKP. I would wait to see the bug list before loading something on his device that will be on there for a while. Your best bet would wait till the next milestone build comes out so all the bugs will be squashed and he won't have to worry update updating...
I have also found the stock 4.0.4 kernel to be the best so far. I have tried other kernels and unless you are into playing with voltages and overclocking stock is your best bet.
As a new gnex user I found that stock kernel and rom ate battery quickly.
Coming from a nexus s 4g aokp was my top choice. So I went with that and lean kernel.
I put min/Max @ 7something/920
Using interactive
Battery life increased significantly
Also speed and my phone is fully customized to my liking... just my personal experience and opinion
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Aokp is the way to go. Also he doesn't need to constantly update the rom. Just flash the latest milestone and he can use it for the next 2 years really.
I know its kinda noob question but im really new to this scene (not to android) and had desire before so i really cant decide what custom rom to install. I need a close to stock custom maybe with some speed tweaks. Right now im leaning toward cm 10.0 and see a lot of other roms with similar options. Im asking here becouse besides the options the rom has for me its also important the stability and more to be from a trusted and active developer.
Just share your experience with the rom you use if u can i willl be thankfull just to get some orientation to the scene.
Do you also let people choose your favorite color or car manufacturer for you? Seriously, test drive some and see what works best for you?
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Do you also let people choose your favorite color or car manufacturer for you? Seriously, test drive some and see what works best for you?
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These threads should die a slow unanswered death.
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wow what an answers. i simply asked and if u mind u simply dont have to answer. as for test drive not everyone has the time to play that much with flashing nor the will to try every rom out there. this place is for people to share experiences and like u smart as.s idiots to curse to everyone who whod dare to ask a noob question. if i didnt had respect for this place i wouldnt asked in Q.A and would of used development sections as many do. so if u have no intention helping someone just bugg of and mind your bussines
Well, according to your first post, CM is probably the rom for you; i still agree that you should test drive available roms. Some have more customisation options, others adopt a more debloated approach like aosp itself, and you can even build aosp by yourself!
I run a modified build of aosp put together by myself.
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i guess ill start with cm thank you and ur right if its to bloated ill beter learn to build a custom AOSP i havent done it but read the guide it didnt seem to hard to do it i have a decent power pc i guess. thnxs for the input
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I know its kinda noob question but im really new to this scene (not to android) and had desire before so i really cant decide what custom rom to install. I need a close to stock custom maybe with some speed tweaks. Right now im leaning toward cm 10.0 and see a lot of other roms with similar options. Im asking here becouse besides the options the rom has for me its also important the stability and more to be from a trusted and active developer.
Just share your experience with the rom you use if u can i willl be thankfull just to get some orientation to the scene.
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Rasbean Jelly is an excellent ROM, close to stock. Check out the Trnity Kernel thread. Rasbean+ Trinity, ftw !
hi. I also came from desire and so far I love the Galaxy Nexus. There's a great variety of ROMs here. So far I have tried a few, but if you are looking for a fast, stable one I would recommend Atom. I am currently on v1.25 for the maguro & I'm expecting the next version with jellybean 4.2 to drop shortly. I'm also using the Zen series kernel v7. I'm having stunning performance and battery life. over 4 hours of screen-on time with the latest kernel. it's a bit different from the other cm / aosp / aokp ROMs around. worth a shot!
alternatively, if you like 'darkness' you can try xblack. if you want to have hybrid options I.e. tablet interface on your nexus you can always give paranoid android a go. they willprobably update to 4.2 intheirlatest build expected to drop tonight anytime.
ps: haters gonna hate! ignore the un-friendlies! we all got to start somewhere.
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I know its kinda noob question but im really new to this scene (not to android) and had desire before so i really cant decide what custom rom to install. I need a close to stock custom maybe with some speed tweaks. Right now im leaning toward cm 10.0 and see a lot of other roms with similar options. Im asking here becouse besides the options the rom has for me its also important the stability and more to be from a trusted and active developer.
Just share your experience with the rom you use if u can i willl be thankfull just to get some orientation to the scene.
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just tried them both rasbean and atom and i like atom more but rasbean not bad also. ill try few more till a stable custom 4.2 comes around. desire scene was good but contagious it was easy to get a flashing mania and i guess this scene is also dangerous to become flash maniac not that i mind to
Well I was a flashaholic on the desire, simply because we never quite really had a stable experience on ICS and JB. So, it was a never ending quest to find a ROM (or upgrade) that was really stable and useful. Not to mention the countless issues with regards to space/sdcard/partitioning/hboot and what not!!!
I am just glad to be on Galaxy Nexus. There are some insane number of ROMs available. I try to stick to one for a couple of weeks at least and only then switch. I am now near that phase where I am itching to try something new. So, I am keeping my fingers dropped that ATOM drops the latest version (4.2) for maguro ... I know the dev already released a toro version (few days ago).
PS: You can always bookmark/subscribe to the ROM/Kernel Index (in my signature)
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just tried them both rasbean and atom and i like atom more but rasbean not bad also. ill try few more till a stable custom 4.2 comes around. desire scene was good but contagious it was easy to get a flashing mania and i guess this scene is also dangerous to become flash maniac not that i mind to
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Bugless beast is my suggestion for essentially stock... CNA is my preference for a ROM with many customizations, but I don't believe either have a 4.2 build yet (could be wrong). Currently using MMuzzy's 4.2 ROM for my toro gnex and very pleased.
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So, with so many ROMs out for our beloved SGS 3, how could one decide which ROM they want to try? trying all the ROMs can be time consuming, so i remembered a ROM bible thread from way back in the HTC G1 forum. basically, each individual ROM was rated based on stability, speed, battery life, force closes(not really a problem for us, i imagine), and overall daily use friendliness rating. are there any gentlemen who would like to start such a thread? i'm not a developer by any means, otherwise i would gladly take lead. anyhow, here's the thread\ROM bible:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668090
I have the next few weeks off, well starting tonight, and might take a stab at it, if someone wants to team up and share some thoughts on how to break it up we can easily knock something nice out with in a week or so im definitely in. Ive read almost all all threads im an avid AOKP/ CM user but need wifi calling in aome areas so try a lot of the TOUCHWIZ based roms also.
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After this week I have a lot of free time until mid January or something like that (college ends and another semester starts in January ) so if you need help then I would be more then happy to help, just give me time until Friday to pass my finals :thumbup:
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Haha what a bad idea.
If you'd like to PM me with rom you have used and or like to use and are willing to test. I've tried almost all TW ROMs besides maybe 2 of them, CM based I haven't tried the ones with Paranoid in it besides PacMan ROM I did try that one.
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Haha what a bad idea.
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Wow. That's helpful. Great comment...
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He does that ALOT
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In my experience there are two subsets of ROMs.
1. Custom Roms (AOKP / Cyanogen mod / Paranoid Android): Most customizations less stability
2. Near stock Touchwiz(TW) ROMs or AOSP: Best stability and generally less customizations
What I suggest to people looking to install a ROM is to stick with a AOSP ROM that includes some customization, sure AOKP / CM is awesome and I love what they do but their ROMs are flaky and problem prone. My problem is that I really hate TW ROMs due to the lack of functions that I really enjoy in custom roms and the lack of being able to change certain features.
-Drag across the top to change brightness: Fixes my issue with auto brightness
-Hold back to kill
-Toggles
-Circle battery (though I think this is also in some)
-no annoying lockscreen -.-
One ROM I am looking at is Liquid Smooth because its an AOSP ROM with some AOKP customizations. Unfortunately for me that the only version so far that I have used with little issue is RC8 (with CM kernel) but I hear others have better luck than I do.
Also would like to point out that JB is being released (or has been) so some roms should improve on the stability.
Hey guys, I have an old Galaxy Nexus which is currently unrooted and on stock AOSP Jelly Bean. I'm from Europe so not sure about this Sprint/Verizon mumbo jumbo. It's started to get pretty slow and battery life is quite appalling. I've visited the development forum but it's all quite overwhelming - with loads of ROMs and variants of those ROMs, plus a bunch of kernels.
I dont really care for tiny customisation or the extra features of e.g. CM, just about performance and battery. Perhaps the only thing I'd like is Screen Mirroring (which, as far as i can tell, isn't enabled on the latest Galaxy Nexus SlimKat rom). Can anyone reccomend me a good ROM/Kernel that will extend the life of this once great phone?
Cheers
You are using a maguro if you are wondering I'm sorry but the only answer is to try for yourself.. Just download a ROM and see if you like it. If you dont then move on to the next. Same with kernels. If you want maximum performance or battery tweak some stuff with trisckster. Nephilimps settings are a good starting point.
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You are using a maguro if you are wondering I'm sorry but the only answer is to try for yourself.. Just download a ROM and see if you like it. If you dont then move on to the next. Same with kernels. If you want maximum performance or battery tweak some stuff with trisckster. Nephilimps settings are a good starting point.
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Fair enough, i might give that a crack. In all honesty, I'm sure there are multiple solutions to my request, I'm just wondering what other people had grown to be happy with, so I'm not stabbing wildly in the dark.
I'm gonna say fancy kernel and Slimkat is a great place to start. I use fancy with max frequency at 1036MHz for good battery and performance. Slimkat is small, not too many features, and it has most bugs ironed out, so it's stable. If you really want good battery, then I would use a 4.3.1 rom. Take your pick there, I recommend Vanir.