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Can someone explain?
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CFS kernels have been known to be more consistent and stable than BFS kernels. Not to say that BFS kernels aren't stable, it's just that they have been known to have some slowdowns and whatnot, but overall, BFS kernels are supposed to be faster. They score higher on Quadrant and stuff.
What's better CFS or BFS?
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At the top of this very subforum is a sticky called misconceptions and info. You could have read that instead making another thread about it. Is it really that hard to search or view the stickys?
We cant tell which one your phone will like better. Try both. If there was clearly one better, nobody would use the other :shrugs:
Caspers25 said:
What's better CFS or BFS?
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I have no idea. I've flipped between the two, never noticed a difference other than the name.
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What's better CFS or BFS?
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which is better...
Ford or Chevy
Colgate or Crest
Mr Pibb or Dr Pepper
Linux or BSD
etc
download both a CFS and BFS kernel.
make a nandroid
i wipe my cache and dalvik everytime i flash a rom or kernel
flash one of the kernels..run it for 2 days
make a nandroid
flash the other kernel..run it for 2 days
if you find that your phone prefers one over the other...then you have your answer.
my device seems to prefer the BFS when on Snap but the CFS when on King...explain that one. lol
I understand the op is looking for info but dam . The info is pinned at the top I think the q&a forum should be renamed chasper's play house
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Caspers25 said:
Can someone explain?
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From what I understand both are task schedulers : components in the kernel that determine what process gets to run on the cpu at what time slices. Remember only one process can be run on a physical CPU core at any given time. In order to support multiple processes simultaneously the OS ( linux in this case ) uses these schedulers to share the CPU core among the multiple processes.
CFS refers to Completely Fair Scheduler and BFS refers to Brain **** Scheduler.
BFS was written to radically simplify the approach to task scheduling and its goal is to improve UI responsiveness while implementing a simple basic design. Based on device usage one scheduler might perform better than the other one.
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Can someone explain?
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There's is this really cool new invention called a search engine. USE IT.
lovethyEVO said:
At the top of this very subforum is a sticky called misconceptions and info. You could have read that instead making another thread about it. Is it really that hard to search or view the stickys?
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what a jagg you are.......you could have been cool about it.
Whats the meaning of Life? any info please!?!?!
What a bunch of effin elitists. If you don't want people to use the forum, don't reply. Obviously you have enough time to reply, so just give the man or woman the info and quit breaking peoples balls simply because you're more efficient at gathering information than they are. Some people are just stupid and need our help reminding them to breathe.
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What a bunch of effin elitists... Some people are just stupid and need our help reminding them to breathe.
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What a bunch of effin elitists. If you don't want people to use the forum, don't reply. Obviously you have enough time to reply, so just give the man or woman the info and quit breaking peoples balls simply because you're more efficient at gathering information than they are. Some people are just stupid and need our help reminding them to breathe.
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Or ovaries***
Everyone was a noob once EVERYONE. If you can't respond in a professional, courteous manner then don't respond at all. I have never understood the jerkoffs that feel it is their duty to demean some one because they know less. I see at it at work and on these forums. When I see it at work I fire them, here I just shake my head. These forums are set up for the ENTIRE community to HELP each other and advance what we enjoy. They are not set up to be ego boosting, see much we can make other people feel inferior tools for little **** asses. If you can take the time to ridicule some one why not just give them the info they ask for. If they ask in a manner that give the impression that the community owes them that's different. Searches don't always give the answer that they ask as their question may be a little different then the answers give. This is not a gaming community filled with 13 year olds, so please don't act like. My 2 cents.
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Everyone was a noob once EVERYONE. If you can't respond in a professional, courteous manner then don't respond at all. I have never understood the jerkoffs that feel it is their duty to demean some one because they know less. I see at it at work and on these forums. When I see it at work I fire them, here I just shake my head. These forums are set up for the ENTIRE community to HELP each other and advance what we enjoy. They are not set up to be ego boosting, see much we can make other people feel inferior tools for little **** asses. If you can take the time to ridicule some one why not just give them the info they ask for. If they ask in a manner that give the impression that the community owes them that's different. Searches don't always give the answer that they ask as their question may be a little different then the answers give. This is not a gaming community filled with 13 year olds, so please don't act like. My 2 cents.
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I used a search engine and it brought me here
Check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894880
It explains the differences well.
islandreamer said:
Everyone was a noob once EVERYONE. If you can't respond in a professional, courteous manner then don't respond at all. I have never understood the jerkoffs that feel it is their duty to demean some one because they know less. I see at it at work and on these forums. When I see it at work I fire them, here I just shake my head. These forums are set up for the ENTIRE community to HELP each other and advance what we enjoy. They are not set up to be ego boosting, see much we can make other people feel inferior tools for little **** asses. If you can take the time to ridicule some one why not just give them the info they ask for. If they ask in a manner that give the impression that the community owes them that's different. Searches don't always give the answer that they ask as their question may be a little different then the answers give. This is not a gaming community filled with 13 year olds, so please don't act like. My 2 cents.
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While I agree with what you said:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&...=f&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&fp=89e96c95c947f3f0
It really is not that hard. If you research this and then have a specific question about CFS/BFS, then OK....come in here and ask it. Example: If I go into one of my Mustang forums and ask: "What's the difference between a supercharger and a turbo?" then I'm going to get my ass handed to me. It's like every time I see a "What's the difference between Sense and AOSP?" thread, it makes me sick.
Where I agree with you, however, is to not go in the thread and be a ****. If you don't want to help, then don't go into the thread bashing someone. If no one answers, then they will have to do what they should have done from the beginning.......search.
Before i begin let me say I do appreciate all the devs here....but I want to know if what cobraboy85 brought up about ktoonsez and faux kernel really running at higher/ lower mHz than they are letting us know? Reason being is I love his 747 kernels but would never knowingly run my phone at such a high MHz. I personally feel if we are knowingly be miss lead on what the kernel is OCing our phones to it should be fixed. I wouldn't want to fry my phone from being miss lead. No disrespect to ktoonsez or faux just want an honest answer and thoughts. Thx.
Please don't start a flame war, just want some answers.
Link here>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39309633
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Whatever the case may be, it is vitally important to be able to trust the source of any kernel you use.
Can you? Probably not. I mean, who has the oversight here? Unless you really know what you're doing.. and let's face it, most users don't - they just install some kernel because another user said "use so-and-so's kernel, it's the best!"
There is waaay more to be concerned about when it comes to kernels than the clock speed (not to take away from those concerns, they are also valid, just not a major security risk).
I never use custom kernels. Just no way for me to tell what's really going on under the hood. Think about it.. call recording, statistical/data stealing such as Carrier IQ.. those sort of things tend to be implemented at the kernel level because
a. they have complete access to the entire system
and
b. it's undetectable to the average consumer, and even some of the most savvy individuals.
Not to say any Dev named here or otherwise is dishonest. I have no idea. But to act like we should just shrug our shoulders and "hope for the best" is idiocy.
If it were me, and I were the Dev, I think I would have moved very quickly to put any misinformation to rest and explain.
But I'm not a Dev
I for one am also interested in this. I am using ktoonsez's KT747 kernel because it integrates faux sound which REALLY improves the sound experience. However, my SGS3 is brand new and I paid quite a bit of hard earned $$$ for it, so I am not really interested in OC'ing it just yet until I'm ready.
I'm no developer but I know in Ktweaker there is an option to enable & disable overclocking steps. I have them disabled. While disabled, CPU Spy shows 6 different "1512" frequencies being unused. When enabled, CPU Spy shows the 6 steps above 1512.
It's probably just the way he coded his kernel to be able to enable/disable CPU steps (because I haven't even seen a kernel before where you could enable/disable overclocking steps before). I think there is way too much being made of this.
They aren't criminals or some masterminds bent on world destruction...I feel like if you had just brought it up as a question in faux or ktoonsez development thread like "hey i noticed this in the code does that really mean it's not clocked at what it says its clocked at?" nicely they would have responded to it with an explanation. They are genuinely helpful and answer everyone's questions no matter how rudimentary or repeated they may be.
And I'd bet money on it being a coding quirk, like a shortcut or workaround or a creative way to give us, who remember do not pay these guys a cent, awesome software for our phones. I think Google or Samsung should pay them serious money to develop kernels for them. They should be rich men with the talents they have.
Ktoonsez, faux, if you read this, I'm behind you guys 100%. Don't let some witchunters and attention whores bring you down. My battery life doubled with Ktoonsez's kernel and I thank him for his hard work. Thank you both so much for your work!
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No ones on a witch hunt and I'm far from an attention whore....just want to know when I set my CPU controller to a certain frequency that's what it set to. I'm running ktoonsez kernel right now and really appreciate all the dev here in our forums.
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Still don't understand why anyone would want to overclock this phone. There is nothing to be gained, except higher benchmarks scores.
Re: Is the issues cobraboy85 brought up about some kernels in the closed thread true?
This thread is complete fail. No one deserves any kind of answer for anything. Both of these devs do this for free. Both do it in their spare time. Both create amazing kernels that I've ran on my phone flawlessly for months.
Even if the clock speeds were inaccurate, who cares? Don't use it. Move on. Whatever. Why so much drama on a development site? These threads are 100 percent disrespectful and if I was smart enough to do what these guys do I would stop sharing my work.
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joemm said:
No ones on a witch hunt and I'm far from an attention whore....just want to know when I set my CPU controller to a certain frequency that's what it set to. I'm running ktoonsez kernel right now and really appreciate all the dev here in our forums.
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I didn't mean you in I actually meant cobraboy85. (sorry! ) It's indeed a legitimate concern, but the way cobraboy85 went about figuring it out was just plain disrespectful.
When somebody finds something that doesn't make sense or seems wrong, the first step is to privately contact the person, even politely on the development thread, about what they find.
If the develpoer tries to cover something up or hide guilt or dodge questions, they bring it up to an admin or another developer to get a second opinion.
If they determine with other people (with experience) in agreement that something wrong is going on, and administration is unable/unwilling to do something about it, only then do you post something like he did.
Instead he just posts a thread and makes accusations. I think that's cowardly and rude and wrong. Now everyone is wondering what's going on and now the reputations of two developers are being dragged through the dirt for no reason. It's just ridiculous to me.
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The OP is asking a simple question. He is not accusing the developers of anything. If you don't have the answer, feel free to move along. No need for argument. If you really feel that a thread is out of line, use the report button and let the mods decide.
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I still think it's not cool to mislead people glad this thread got created. No one is witch hunting and devs already have enough cheerleaders, they should be held accountable too, without consumers there's no devs and vice versa.
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I have this to say. I absolutely do not stand behind forum trolls who are out to make names for themselves, and cause trouble for those who spend of their free time to make our devices better and free from the grips of the garbage software they are released with.
At the same time, I also will not blindly (note the word blindly) follow what developers do and say. This is the reason why we have things like nightlies for CM; so that code is constantly reviewed to ensure they are not only clean, but optimal.
Having said that, I absolutely TRUST 100% more the word of a developer than a troll. And as for ktoonsez and faux, all I know is that their work has made a real-life difference for me. The sound on the SGS3 out of the box is TRASH. I'm a musician and I'm a pure stickler for sound quality; believe me when I say that their work has made the sound 200% better than it was. And for that, I am grateful.
Although it would be nice for the devs to pitch in this thread and just let us know what's up (they really don't have to), I am apt to believe the cobraboy85 is just a whole lot of hot air. If the kernels were indeed overclocking like he claims, my phone would not get better battery life than with stock; it would get magnitudes worse, because the ROI is just not there for 300Mhz more.
So all in all, either our phones are magical enough to stay with the same battery life AND enhancements with these custom kernels, or someone is just looking to make a name for themselves.
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So you ask a question in general section. Inb4move or lock.
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Just to add my 2 cents here...does not all CPU checking apps report 1512Mhz when you set to no overclocking? Kernel source has ALWAYS been freely available as per GPL so no one here on this site is deceiving anyone. Also I have never had a problem with kernel devs answering my questions. If you post a question and in general no less, do you really think the developer is going to see it? As pointed out earlier, a respectful post in the kernel thread would have gotten you the same answer I got from KT last night...no...when set to 1512 your phone runs at 1512.
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Just to add my 2 cents here...does not all CPU checking apps report 1512Mhz when you set to no overclocking? Kernel source has ALWAYS been freely available as per GPL so no one here on this site is deceiving anyone. Also I have never had a problem with kernel devs answering my questions. If you post a question and in general no less, do you really think the developer is going to see it? As pointed out earlier, a respectful post in the kernel thread would have gotten you the same answer I got from KT last night...no...when set to 1512 your phone runs at 1512.
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Please read the original thread so you would know what I am talking about....it was brought up that the cpu controller app will show 1512 is running but in reality the kernel is really running a higher frequency. Thanks.
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Please read the original thread so you would know what I am talking about....it was brought up that the cpu controller app will show 1512 is running but in reality the kernel is really running a higher frequency. Thanks.
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So there is no app that can measure the true speed?
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So there is no app that can measure the true speed?
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I don't know I guess that's what I'm asking is can you spoof the controlling apps? And if you can I'm just saying I'd like to know what my phone is really running.
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I don't know I guess that's what I'm asking is can you spoof the controlling apps? And if you can I'm just saying I'd like to know what my phone is really running.
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Sounds like a great question sir. Hopefully someone can tell us how the apps measure speed and if there is a true test app. I do know that Samsung hugely underclocks these phones to give a compromise between battery life and speed. Personal experience is that I get better battery life on the Sprint KT TW kernel than I do on stock. That wouldn't happen if I was at 1.8Ghz instead of 1.5.
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Sounds like a great question sir. Hopefully someone can tell us how the apps measure speed and if there is a true test app. I do know that Samsung hugely underclocks these phones to give a compromise between battery life and speed. Personal experience is that I get better battery life on the Sprint KT TW kernel than I do on stock. That wouldn't happen if I was at 1.8Ghz instead of 1.5.
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I feel the same....by far best battery life with KT's kernel. And it would make sense if it was really running at 1.8 we probably wouldn't be getting such great battery life.
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Cobraboy has always been a troll and a douche so don't take what he says too seriously
He doesn't even own a gs3. He comes here to troll and cause trouble.
Your going to trust a guy who's profile pic on a phone forum is him with his shirt off?
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KT747
Ok guys, kenny brought this and the SUPER rude thread to my attention so I am responding. Let me start off by saying I NEVER knowingly mislead anyone and sorry a bunch of you feel I jipped and mislead you!
The table the original thread posted about is only about 1 tenth of the code. Here is snippit of code that regulates the table size (again only a little piece)
Code:
int get_the_freq_table(int cnt, int steps[]) {
if (acpu_freq_tbl == NULL)
return 0;
int real_cnt=FREQ_STEPS;
int i= 0;
//if (isenable_oc == 0)
// real_cnt = real_cnt - FREQ_TABLE_SIZE_OFFSET;
for (i = 0; i < real_cnt; i++) {
steps[i] = acpu_freq_tbl[i+1].speed.khz;
}
return real_cnt;
}
Important piece here is FREQ_STEPS = 24 thus not using the other steps which are mearly placeholders for people that are gonna use the OC steps.
As far as the math on the OC, that is my bad for not checking the math. To be totally honest, we were all new to the QCOM chipset back in June/July of last year and kanged from the same XDA dev, not gonna put blame on that person. So in conclusion, yes the 2106mhz after I examined it after seeing that post was indeed lower due to following the original incorrect math. Also it turns out the Sammy original 384 Mhz is not even possible when you try the following simple math:
384,000 / 27,000 = 14.2222222222222222222222
So again, let me reiterate, I NEVER knowly lied to say its going faster or going faster than it is telling you and sorry for the confusion on the OC :good:
I know many of you get a bit psychotic at even the mere mention of a comparison between roms (which is utterly silly because not just in roms, but with almost everything in life its very subjective, yet people still manage to have polls and rankings for everything). Anyway rant over.
Unlike some of you I am not a flashaholic and I really really really hate flashing roms. I am however forced to because I have the Media drain problem. I love stock, love touchwiz, so I am trying to chose between ARHD and Omega. I will not install both and see for myself because I have better things to do. I just want to know does one of them solve the media drain problem better than the other? Or do both solve it equally (or do both not solve it)?
Thanks
Mike1986 and Indie has better things to do as well but managed to give their work for free.
You won't know what's the best for your phone if I just answered one ROM is better than the other.
SMNE said:
Mike1986 and Indie has better things to do as well but managed to give their work for free.
You won't know what's the best for your phone if I just answered one ROM is better than the other.
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I can't imagine how I could have possibly scripted my initial question more clearly to avoid this useless reply. If you don't think one is better than the other at fixing the Media drain problem, then just say that. If you think its a crime against god and all of humanity to compare roms, then kindly don't answer at all.
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I can't imagine how I could have possibly scripted my initial question more clearly to avoid this useless reply. If you don't think one is better than the other at fixing the Media drain problem, then just say that. If you think its a crime against god and all of humanity to compare roms, then kindly don't answer at all.
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Yes, one is better.
Thanks for that.
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I can't imagine how I could have possibly scripted my initial question more clearly to avoid this useless reply. If you don't think one is better than the other at fixing the Media drain problem, then just say that. If you think its a crime against god and all of humanity to compare roms, then kindly don't answer at all.
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Exaggeration. Troll. Actually, it's more of an application uninstall process first rather than ROM problems.
No its not. You don't know what you are talking about.
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I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
I presume that one of the main reasons why the limit is unlikely to be increased is due to what you already stated - devaluing the Thanks feature.
The Thanks count on people's profiles is, in my opinion, kinda irrelevant as is because it doesn't help gauge a members helpfulness/quality of work etc. That's proven by those members who post junk and can still get a bunch of Thanks on that post. Increasing the limit will increase the chances of that happening and will therefore mean the Thanks meter on members profiles will count for even less.
The limit has been 8 for quite a while and will probably stay that way because generally all 8 won't be used in a single day anyway. There are, of course, exceptions (just like the situation you described or perhaps you'd feel the need to use more if you hang around in some of the theme threads for example) but you could always use your available Thanks and then Thank the other posts the following day. I realize that may not exactly be ideal but is certainly a way around.
Using a mobile app to access the forums will give you more to use, so that's probably a more viable option for you, rather than waiting for a different day to hand them out.
What he said. Almost no one even pays attention to the thanks meter any more, only new members even bother with it. It was made pointless long ago.
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
I think the thanks is a nice touch. I try to donate to people whenever possible. Some people don't want, or won't accept donations though. I'm sure those people still enjoy being thanked.
I think if the way the older members and site staff feel about Thanks is as indicated above, than the feature should just be removed.
Else, I think the limit should be removed. It's a quick change. I don't really see the harm in a post getting too many thanks.
I have left tabs open in my browser from yesterday, for the people I need to thank still. I still can't thank them because the time hasn't rolled around yet.
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I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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that's maybe 8 thanks right there in your OP (S OFF then root, recovery, ROM, guides), and it's a one time deal... Also that phone is the extreme case...
I don't see where you'd need 20 honestly.
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@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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I'd say continue to use them as you have been considering they still serve a purpose. They were added to the site so that it would cut down on posts simply saying "Thanks", thus cluttering the threads with posts which add no value to the threads. In that respect, the Thanks button has done it's job effectively.
The thing is, even though we've said that not many people really care about the Thanks, it's more the Thanks count which is irrelevant. A lot of members still like to receive Thanks as it's, generally, a quick and easy way for the member to know that they've been able to help someone out in one way or another.
I don't hand out many Thanks these days considering I don't often need help with anything and therefore wouldn't need to Thank someone for helping me out. But when I have been helped out, I will certainly give them a Thank considering that's what it's used for.
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I think the thanks is a nice touch. I try to donate to people whenever possible. Some people don't want, or won't accept donations though. I'm sure those people still enjoy being thanked.
I think if the way the older members and site staff feel about Thanks is as indicated above, than the feature should just be removed.
Else, I think the limit should be removed. It's a quick change. I don't really see the harm in a post getting too many thanks.
I have left tabs open in my browser from yesterday, for the people I need to thank still. I still can't thank them because the time hasn't rolled around yet.
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As mentioned above, it's not necessarily the Thanks button that I have a problem with but more the Thanks count (purely because in a lot of cases it leads to people wanting to get a lot of Thanks, for no real reason, simply so their Thanks meter can look more impressive as they can "beat" other members total Thanks.
That being the case, I still think the limit shouldn't be removed considering it can be a vague (sometimes more vague than others) way to gauge how helpful a member has been over their time as a member. The only part of the Thanks system which I'd like to see removed is the Thanks meter, but as it's still intact there's likely a reason the admins have got for leaving it as is.
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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The best thanks you can give anyone is by learning and sharing what you learned. Many developers are more excited and happy to see someone that took what they learned and then turned around and gave back to the community.
If it makes you feel better then by all means. Continue to give thanks.
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I'd say continue to use them as you have been considering they still serve a purpose. They were added to the site so that it would cut down on posts simply saying "Thanks", thus cluttering the threads with posts which add no value to the threads. In that respect, the Thanks button has done it's job effectively.
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Thank you, and agreed.
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The thing is, even though we've said that not many people really care about the Thanks, it's more the Thanks count which is irrelevant. A lot of members still like to receive Thanks as it's, generally, a quick and easy way for the member to know that they've been able to help someone out in one way or another.
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I also agree and am among the "a lot of members" you mentioned.
KidCarter93 said:
I don't hand out many Thanks these days considering I don't often need help with anything and therefore wouldn't need to Thank someone for helping me out. But when I have been helped out, I will certainly give them a Thank considering that's what it's used for.
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I am in pretty much the same boat - I mostly help other people nowadays, very rarely do I need or request help. However, I do generally use up all of my Thanks per day on posts that, for example, I don't want/need to reply to but I do want the member to know I saw it and liked it.
So, that's my two cents on the matter. Thanks again!
EDIT - @zelendel, thank you, too, for your sage advice. :good:
When does the Limit Refreh?
At which time in GMT+1 can i re-do 8 Thanks?
Hannah Stern said:
At which time in GMT+1 can i re-do 8 Thanks?
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You can use your next days thanks 24 hours after the previous days. So if you use your first Thank at 10AM, your first one the next day couldn't be used until 10AM
8 Thanks, 1 Limit, 0 Sense
KidCarter93 said:
I presume that one of the main reasons why the limit is unlikely to be increased is due to what you already stated - devaluing the Thanks feature.
The Thanks count on people's profiles is, in my opinion, kinda irrelevant as is because it doesn't help gauge a members helpfulness/quality of work etc. That's proven by those members who post junk and can still get a bunch of Thanks on that post. Increasing the limit will increase the chances of that happening and will therefore mean the Thanks meter on members profiles will count for even less.
The limit has been 8 for quite a while and will probably stay that way because generally all 8 won't be used in a single day anyway. There are, of course, exceptions (just like the situation you described or perhaps you'd feel the need to use more if you hang around in some of the theme threads for example) but you could always use your available Thanks and then Thank the other posts the following day. I realize that may not exactly be ideal but is certainly a way around.
Using a mobile app to access the forums will give you more to use, so that's probably a more viable option for you, rather than waiting for a different day to hand them out.
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It's very polite and kind to use the Thanks-Button.
Active users maybe need x 20 - every day!
In my opinion, this limit makes low-sense...
...maybe just for low-activity users.
And i think, that this limit should be removed or increased to 20 or so for Senior Members / Higher.
All the best!
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ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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Good Question
Hannah Stern said:
It's very polite and kind to use the Thanks-Button.
Active users maybe need x 20 - every day!
In my opinion, this limit makes low-sense...
...maybe just for low-activity users.
And i think, that this limit should be removed or increased to 20 or so for Senior Members / Higher.
All the best!
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I understand that it's polite to use the Thanks button but there's still no need for nowhere near that many.
Even as a moderator we don't have that many available to us - we get 15.
I'm not as active on here as I once was, mainly due to working long shifts, but even when I was extremely active on here I wouldn't go through my allotted 8 per day. There's only been 1 or 2 situations where 8 wasn't enough. In those instances, I'd asked for help with an issue I was having (therefore I was thanking the posts that were helping me solve my issue) and I also thanked a couple of posts which didn't help me but would help a lot of other members and was a great resource. All I did in those situations was either wait a couple of hours for a Thank to become available again or would use the XDA app.
While my thanking habits are clearly different to yours, changes are only generally made to XDA if it will benefit the majority not a minority. I'm sure there are a ton of people who feel that 8 isn't enough but it's fine for the majority of members here. Also, increasing the limit to such an amount would likely lead to people asking/begging for more Thanks and would, in turn, devalue the Thanks count more so than it already is.
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Protonus said:
I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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that's maybe 8 thanks right there in your OP (S OFF then root, recovery, ROM, guides), and it's a one time deal... Also that phone is the extreme case...
I don't see where you'd need 20 honestly.
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...but i do!
8 Thanks is mayybe a little bit too low.
The 10-Post Rule isn't a big problem because 10 posts are easy-peasy
But the limit to 8 thanks is a problem (not a big one)
I don't want to sound stupid right here, but if i reach the Limit, i make a list of post which i still want to thank :laugh:
You can thank somebody at the next day, if you're not able to use the thanks button right now.
...but why don't do it RIGHT NOW instead of that day?
Most of the users on XDA aren't Thank-Spammers.
There are more thank-friendly users that give a thanks for very small and big and useful posts (i am also one of these) but there are also members, who do this only for very useful posts.
Using the thanks button is just polite.
And if somebody knows the 8-Thanks-Limit, he/she's possibly saving on thanks.
I am not someone who begs for thanks, but it's very rare to find a member which gets thanks for useless things like thank me and i'll thank your post.
What is the limit actually for?
What do we want to prevent with this limit?
And why is the limit just 8?
I'm completely satisfied with my thanks-count of 39
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I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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You can say that again!
Also 15 is very low for a Forum Moderator i think.
How about Administrators like @svetius etc.?
What thanks limit have they actually got?
20?
I don't have anything agianst XDA but when i came new to XDA, i thought that anybody's count of thanks were unlimited!
A bad scenario for members who die, if they get no thanks is the limit of INCOMING Thanks. But this limit does not exist!
...and also - there's no Post Limit / Login per day Limit / Quote or Meniton users-per-day Limit. But a limit of thanks that you can give per day.
Hrm... let's increase to 20.
What problems will come, if we incrase to 20?
fortunately, there's no Dislike/Thumbs-down button for posts :laugh:
@Hannah Stern, I believe we all know and respect your personal opinion about a larger Thanks limit, but in all honesty, because of how already devalued Thanks are (i.e., some of the best devs have less than 1,000, while other people who make junk have upward of 5,000), I'd recommend just Thanking the people who you want to Thank unyil you reach your limit, and then just forget about Thanking people any more until the next time you can. Don't spend all your time worrying about how so-and-so won't get what he/she deserves unless I Thank their post - that is just unnecessary anxiety. Go with the flow, and try your best not to worry, as it's highly unlikely that the admins are going to raise the limit.
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@Hannah Stern, I believe we all know and respect your personal opinion about a larger Thanks limit, but in all honesty, because of how already devalued Thanks are (i.e., some of the best devs have less than 1,000, while other people who make junk have upward of 5,000), I'd recommend just Thanking the people who you want to Thank unyil you reach your limit, and then just forget about Thanking people any more until the next time you can. Don't spend all your time worrying about how so-and-so won't get what he/she deserves unless I Thank their post - that is just unnecessary anxiety. Go with the flow, and try your best not to worry, as it's highly unlikely that the admins are going to raise the limit.
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I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
I already know that what you told me but thank you however
...and have a good day!
Hannah Stern said:
I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
I already know that what you told me but thank you however
...and have a good day!
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What are their thanks? Who knows but to be honest what would they use them for.
I'll be honest thanks count are really pointless. Only new members even pay attention I know 90% of the devs don't look at the number or even use them. I have even been asked by a few for a way to disable it completely.
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I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
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You're on the right track!
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So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
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In reality, there is pretty much none. I just consider them a fun feature - not really anything of actual value. By the way, we actually are using it properly - the limit is the "proper" use of Thanks, according to the admins.
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How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
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Nobody really knows except the admins themselves, but I'd give it a safe guess that they don't have one. I mean, since they are, after all, the admins, what would be the point of making a limitation for themselves?
Am I right in that logic?
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What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
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The main problem would be that members have even more opportunities to Thank people who often don't need or want excessive Thanks. 8 is a liberal number in this case IMHO - I mean, would you be happier if it were 5?
xD
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
You're on the right track!
In reality, there is pretty much none. I just consider them a fun feature - not really anything of actual value. By the way, we actually are using it properly - the limit is the "proper" use of Thanks, according to the admins.
Nobody really knows except the admins themselves, but I'd give it a safe guess that they don't have one. I mean, since they are, after all, the admins, what would be the point of making a limitation for themselves?
Am I right in that logic?
The main problem would be that members have even more opportunities to Thank people who often don't need or want excessive Thanks. 8 is a liberal number in this case IMHO - I mean, would you be happier if it were 5?
xD
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5 Per day is horribly / terribly low.
Why don't increase the Thank's limit, if it's just "a useless fun feature" ?
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5 Per day is horribly / terribly low.
Why don't increase the Thank's limit, if it's just "a useless fun feature" ?
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To tell you the truth, I don't really know or care that much - my inability to Thank people after 8 a day is not very high on my priority list. If you want to really try, you can respectfully PM @svetius and explain your dilemma.
From my point of view, this topic is closed - I don't need to post here again. I've stated my personal opinion, answered your questions, and am ready to move on.
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Hi, i just bought an emergency fone, htc one m8 - well anyway i hate the stock of it, just duznt seem normal aye - as the title implies i wanna know what roms are so stable that everything actually works without having to read through thousands of pages of bull**** just ta find an answer, and dont say to me that this questions been asked before, just answer the question aye - any recommends? i just want simple ****
M4elstr0m said:
Hi, i just bought an emergency fone, htc one m8 - well anyway i hate the stock of it, just duznt seem normal aye - as the title implies i wanna know what roms are so stable that everything actually works without having to read through thousands of pages of bull**** just ta find an answer, and dont say to me that this questions been asked before, just answer the question aye - any recommends? i just want simple ****
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If this is an emergency phone, and if everything works (no bugs), I highly recommend you don't mess with it. Keep it stock.
Keeping it stock is the best way to ensure that it will work appropriately in an emergency, which is the reason you purchased it.
You haven't been specific to what "everything works" means. Everything works just fine on the stock ROM. If you are having specific issues, name them, and maybe someone can advise you more properly.
M4elstr0m said:
i wanna know what roms are so stable that everything actually works without having to read through thousands of pages of bull**** just ta find an answer,
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So what exactly constitutes "bullsh_t"??? I would suggest you tread carefully before coming onto a forum and flinging around borderline insults to all the valuable information contained here. XDA us a wealth of information, for those patient enough to read and learn. Your comment makes you sound entitled, and too lazy to do that. In the end, this is just another n00b thread asking the cringe-worthy question "What is the best ROM?" Completely contrary to the whole point of XDA.
DanGeorges said:
If this is an emergency phone, and if everything works (no bugs), I highly recommend you don't mess with it. Keep it stock.
Keeping it stock is the best way to ensure that it will work appropriately in an emergency, which is the reason you purchased it.
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thats not quite the reason i bought the fone - i dropped my old fone and its straight broke! so emergency meaning i needed a fone quick! but yep, i get what you mean, cheers and thanks
redpoint73 said:
You haven't been specific to what "everything works" means. Everything works just fine on the stock ROM. If you are having specific issues, name them, and maybe someone can advise you more properly..
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let me reiterate ... i hate the stock of it, so many things i just dont use and probably would never use either are loaded in the background - sense, car, dot thing ... yep ... nup!
i bought a case for it and wondered why it would keep blacking out the screen when id set it sideways watching a vid - background things that id never use - the dot thing!
rooting the device ... 165 apps being optimized? thats a lot of apps for stock! and people wonder why ther battery dont last but then a noob would never know
now what i mean by everything is - digging through thread after thread i read about sim card not being detected, camera not working, imei's going missing, and then theres this thing called s-on and it seems that i cant change that now without paying for it...
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So what exactly constitutes "bullsh_t"??? I would suggest you tread carefully before coming onto a forum and flinging around borderline insults to all the valuable information contained here. XDA us a wealth of information, for those patient enough to read and learn. Your comment makes you sound entitled, and too lazy to do that.
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hey dont get me wrong, i love xda and for sure there's great information here - what bothered me and prompted me to write this on such manner was i saw a guy ask along the lines of the best rom and then sum prick comes and tells him this questions been asked before and then pretty much proceeds ta tell him ta **** off, no suggestions, no help, just get the **** on ...
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In the end, this is just another n00b thread asking the cringe-worthy question "What is the best ROM?" Completely contrary to the whole point of XDA
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maybe cringey to you but i am a noob and i'd like ta know and if its contrary to xda to answer this question then how helpful is it?
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hey dont get me wrong, i love xda and for sure there's great information here - what bothered me and prompted me to write this on such manner was i saw a guy ask along the lines of the best rom and then sum prick comes and tells him this questions been asked before and then pretty much proceeds ta tell him ta **** off, no suggestions, no help, just get the **** on ...
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I don't think I like your attitude. Information that you don't want to read is "bullsh_t". And someone show tells the facts is "sum prick". You going to start calling me names too, if I tell you something you don't want to hear?
"Best ROM" is not a question that can be answered. You've already proven that point. Previous response suggested stock ROM. It's "best" for a lot of people. But it's not "best" for you. The "best" ROM is completely subjective. It is dependent on personal usage patters, preferences, etc. If you want a suggestion on a ROM, there are plenty of threads already discussing that.
XDA used to ban "best ROM" threads for the reason mentioned above. They now allow such threads. For no good reason, except pandering to lazy n00bs, and XDA jumped the shark on that note.