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I have rooted a ton of devices from tablets to phones and I don't specifically recall ever needing to flash an entirely different kernel to do so.
My question is, is a new kernel an understood for root access? I was under the impression root was, well...access, to system files and the like.
I'm actually pretty sure devices have been rooted PRE kernel source being released, and that source is more conducive to custom ROMs than anything else.
If someone who knows could clarify, I would be grateful and I also think it may begin to explain why some folks are *LOSING* functionality with root.
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The kernel is the heart of the OS. when the kernel is rooted, so is everything else
People are losing functions because the source code from Samsung is jacked up, and the devs are trying to pull it together
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Same thing I thought when I first bought my samsung vibrant... They whereusing the international galaxy s kernels untill samsung released sourcs to the current/up to date one... Samsung is know for latd updates and failed source codes
Well thats my opinion but they do make great hardware and tvs lol
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nate420 said:
Same thing I thought when I first bought my samsung vibrant... They whereusing the international galaxy s kernels untill samsung released sourcs to the current/up to date one... Samsung is know for latd updates and failed source codes
Well thats my opinion but they do make great hardware and tvs lol
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You aren't kidding about the TVs. I was at Sears and they had a Sammy glasses free 3D set up like 64" or something, Avatar was playing...literally jaw dropping.
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You aren't kidding about the TVs. I was at Sears and they had a Sammy glasses free 3D set up like 64" or something, Avatar was playing...literally jaw dropping.
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Yeah I got a 52" there so nice
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Another way to achieve root without replacing the kernel is with an exploit that takes advantage of a bug i.e. in the bluetooth stack to temporarily gain elevated (SU) privileges and use it to install permanent root, flash a new recovery, etc. That's probably the kind of root method that you are more familiar with.
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Another way to achieve root without replacing the kernel is with an exploit that takes advantage of a bug i.e. in the bluetooth stack to temporarily gain elevated (SU) privileges and use it to install permanent root, flash a new recovery, etc. That's probably the kind of root method that you are more familiar with.
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Ahh, that makes sense. See, a few devices I've rooted have been pretty straight forward. But the the OG rooting process on the Nook Color was odd as hell, and then the choice of booting SD or eMMC was another consideration to take. The process of rooting Tablets seems to be somewhat similar to this one floating around for the ET right now.
Coming from HTC/Motorola phones primarily the development for this phone has confused me a bit. Those phones used to get a normal root method pretty soon after release without having to worry about messing around the kernal.
Is there going to be a day where you can just root it and leave the kernal alone or is the kernal/root thing exclusive to Samsung phones?
Whsn i was on att i would use superoneclick. I too was wondering this.
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We need this.
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The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
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stangdriverdoug said:
The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
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Yeah I have to say this was a very easy process to root coming from an evo4g
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I think he meant the fact that ur using the kernel to get to root instaed the more conventional root method we are used to seeing on devices like htc and so on. It is pretty strange the fact u flash a kernel and then flash to get root its typically gain root then flash somethingy. Or at least thats what my noob ass is used to lol
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The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
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All the root methods are simple to execute for someone who can read. But I am referring to the fact (as edison said) that you have to flash a new kernal to achieve root. I'm personally waiting for a more typical root method before I root.
Not that I don't appreciate/love the dev community but I like a COMPLETE stock setup with root before I go messing around experimenting because I don't necessarily trust EVERY dev and don't have the technical expertise to fix stuff myself.
Only solution is to just wait, I don't think many would be working on another root method because this one isn't complex, is noob friendly and works 100% I don't see any pressing reason for another method
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Yup I hear ya. You can always root then odin bubbys pulled stock kernel for a complete stock root. It's not one click but it's close. Only draw back it there is no recovery.
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Conventional root?
What is that?
Umm...there is no other way? There's no exploit anymore guys...it's either flash a rooted kernel or flash a rooted /system. And that's easy as hell
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Unless you can get hold of Samsung's signing keys for creating a signed update.zip or find a new exploit (which would have to be fixed eventually because exploits are essentially security holes) you are pretty much stuck with the current methods.
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squshy 7 said:
Umm...there is no other way? There's no exploit anymore guys...it's either flash a rooted kernel or flash a rooted /system. And that's easy as hell
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Wow,so no more one click roost with cwm then we can flash any kernel and be good? Shizznit, one click was good stuff
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I miss z4root. Im not a newber but I know I like my simplicity redundantly simple.
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Honestly odin is pretty the one click we need.
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Dude samsung released the source and practically handed us root on a silver platter
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All the root methods are simple to execute for someone who can read. But I am referring to the fact (as edison said) that you have to flash a new kernal to achieve root. I'm personally waiting for a more typical root method before I root.
Not that I don't appreciate/love the dev community but I like a COMPLETE stock setup with root before I go messing around experimenting because I don't necessarily trust EVERY dev and don't have the technical expertise to fix stuff myself.
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Why should anyone find a exploit to root the phone when the bootloader
Is open and allows you to root much easier....google keeps closing holes in software making it harder and harder to root ...its not a htc where they s-off the phone .....this will probably be the only way to root because there is no reason to find another
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What could be easier than putting this in Odin http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282415 and hitting the start button
I think the point people are trying to make here is that they wish there was a way to have root and recovery and remain bone stock. So far there is no way to do this. Alot of people don't want to flash a custom kernel at this point because of all the problems people are reporting. Myself included. I am still stock and won't root until devs get this stuff sorted. Maybe koush will figure it out...
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It's not really clear from the titles in the development section, but there is a way to root without flashing a kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282418
That's a stock system image, simply modified to include root. No kernel at all.
So I am coming from a rooted and heavily flashed Sensation, we had several ROM's, and I tried them all. I know this phone is very new and the Devs haven't even begun with this device, but so far I don't see really any reason to root? Are there at least any cool tweaks I am missing? Again, I know it's all coming, but am I missing something super cool we can do on a rooted SGS2 yet? I want to join the fun, but I don't see much to get excited about (yet).
The roms the are out are well worth rooting for
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Couldn't agree more. Just the ability to back up your device should be reason enough alone to root. A better question is why would you not!
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even ignoring the fact of ROMs
you will need root, to gain full access to Titanium Backup, which is the #1 must have tool for migrating from one phone to another phone
right now i would say the roms, the beastrom i got is amazing, better battery life and data speeds!
The main reason I rooted was to get rid of all the bloat.
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even ignoring the fact of ROMs
you will need root, to gain full access to Titanium Backup, which is the #1 must have tool for migrating from one phone to another phone
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And again, why wouldn't you root? All it does is give you complete access to your phone. Whether you use that access or not is up to you, but there's no good reason not to have it. You can always unroot if you need to return your phone and use your warranty.
Rooting and installing the EaglesBlood ROM has more than doubled my battery life.
If that's not enough reason to root, I don't know what is.
What about the portable hot spot without fee thats a big one!
Replacing the standard Gmail apk (the one found on the market) and putting this modified apk (found here):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16263121
In its place, which releases the power of Gmail unread count Widgets and launchers.
You need root to manually replace the Gmail.apk within /system/app/ folder with the modified version.
Oh yeah... also the ability to nandroid backup.
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Honestly, I'd really love to root and what not, but I really effed up my Continuum on Verizon using ODIN so I'm real scared to use it again. I wish you could just use Gingerbreak or something easy like that.
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I rooted to remove bloat and to install TB, adblocker, terminal and cwm. I'm still on stock and don't see a need to flash roms now cuz everything working great. I'm holding out for ICS which you will need root for if you want it early.
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That seems like a good idea. I honestly can't complain with stock right now and would like to wait until something besides an ODIN root comes out.
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sportsinger75 said:
Honestly, I'd really love to root and what not, but I really effed up my Continuum on Verizon using ODIN so I'm real scared to use it again. I wish you could just use Gingerbreak or something easy like that.
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That seems like a good idea. I honestly can't complain with stock right now and would like to wait until something besides an ODIN root comes out.
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Seemed pretty easy and straightforward to me. Much easier than rooting my G2. Had a little hiccup trying to put it in d/l mode since this was my first time using odin, but figured it out fast enough. Just turn off your phone, plug in your usb, and then turn it on while holding vol up and vol down at the same time. Should go into d/l mode instead of recovery.
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so i am coming from a rooted and heavily flashed sensation, we had several rom's, and i tried them all. I know this phone is very new and the devs haven't even begun with this device, but so far i don't see really any reason to root? Are there at least any cool tweaks i am missing? Again, i know it's all coming, but am i missing something super cool we can do on a rooted sgs2 yet? I want to join the fun, but i don't see much to get excited about (yet).
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after rooting it you can delete the thethering manager app.apk from the sytem/app so you can use your built in wifi thether for free yo.
I would do it for the ability to fully use titanium backup and to have full access to your phone.
I did it for those reasons alone. Im not a rom jumper and I stick to stock and unless a rom way different than stock comes, I'll stick to stock.
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so you can use your built in wifi thether for free yo.
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Of all the T-Mobile phones I've used this seems to have the most bloatware....rooting definitely helps getting rid of all of it. Dev support also seems to be growing. I have the latest EaglesBlood Rom and could not be happier. now getting better battery life and overall greater speed and smoothness.
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I have a Tmobile Samsung Galaxy S2 and a mac so as of now I can't really root the phone because its windows only for the root. I'm waiting for a mac abled one click root.
Other then that, this is my first Android (came from the iPhone 4) and wanted to know how do you guys decide which rom to use? Also, how hard is it to flash to different roms? I can do it after I root correct and if I do change rom's I would not have to reroot would I?
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le14 said:
I have a Tmobile Samsung Galaxy S2 and a mac so as of now I can't really root the phone because its windows only for the root. I'm waiting for a mac abled one click root.
Other then that, this is my first Android (came from the iPhone 4) and wanted to know how do you guys decide which rom to use? Also, how hard is it to flash to different roms? I can do it after I root correct and if I do change rom's I would not have to reroot would I?
Thanks
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once rooted it's fairly simple with CWR manager
the alternative to Odin is to use Heimdall, which is cross platform compatible
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once rooted it's fairly simple with CWR manager
the alternative to Odin is to use Heimdall, which is cross platform compatible
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would there be a tutorial for rooting with a mac using heimdall? this would be my first time rooting an android and I don't want to brick anything.
I am fixing to root my sprint galaxy nexus. Is there a program that works with a mac and this phone? Will hemidall work?
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No need you need android sdk for Mac osx and the drivers there is a thread somewhere in general here... give me a second to find it for ya
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642061
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I appreciate the help.
What happens if I need to return to complete stock? Is there a situation (brick, etc) that my mac would not be able to work correctly with my phone?
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I appreciate the help.
What happens if I need to return to complete stock? Is there a situation (brick, etc) that my mac would not be able to work correctly with my phone?
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I think heimdall will work fine... in not too sure though. You may have to find a windows machine and use Odin. Otherwise dual boot Linux and use heimdall... i remember reading somewhere heimdall was broken for Mac osx.
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you should be able to do everything through fastboot, correct?
BlueGoldAce said:
What happens if I need to return to complete stock? Is there a situation (brick, etc) that my mac would not be able to work correctly with my phone?
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No worries. I've used my Macbook consistently to do exactly what you want, that is: rooting my Galaxy Nexus (GSM) and it works fine.
I'm familiar with using a terminal, so I actually feel safer executing each command by hand, as I know what's actually happening. If you haven't used a terminal before, or if you're unsure about anything or just curious, post whatever questions you have and I'll give you my best answer.
As to return to stock, it's not a problem. Google has made all the factory images (stock) available here. They're probably not the same as you've got on your Sprint at the moment, as the carriers usually brand their phones with their own versions. These are pure from Google though. Better, I reckon.
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No worries. I've used my Macbook consistently to do exactly what you want, that is: rooting my Galaxy Nexus (GSM) and it works fine.
I'm familiar with using a terminal, so I actually feel safer executing each command by hand, as I know what's actually happening. If you haven't used a terminal before, or if you're unsure about anything or just curious, post whatever questions you have and I'll give you my best answer.
As to return to stock, it's not a problem. Google has made all the factory images (stock) available here. They're probably not the same as you've got on your Sprint at the moment, as the carriers usually brand their phones with their own versions. These are pure from Google though. Better, I reckon.
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no bad... pure Google images aren't good... we have to have sprint builds... which are in our sub forums...
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Well, there you go. No need to worry about getting back to stock at all.
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Well, there you go. No need to worry about getting back to stock at all.
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Lol thanks for the reassurance tho
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Hahahah, i was addressing the OP, but I'm not sure if the quick reply button got you a notification. That's another thread though. Sorry.
The 25th of February was the last time I asked this, and it's been a week and a day since then, so I figured that its an appropriate time to ask.
Can a stock Verizon HTC One (the standard One, not Max, not Mini, not dual-SIM) running stock Android 4.4.2 KitKat OTA be rooted yet?
Thanks,
Andrew
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nikalsaki said:
The 25th of February was the last time I asked this, and it's been a week and a day since then, so I figured that its an appropriate time to ask.
Can a stock Verizon HTC One (the standard One, not Max, not Mini, not dual-SIM) running stock Android 4.4.2 KitKat OTA be rooted yet?
Thanks,
Andrew
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Nope. You'll see a thread pop up when its possible. Just scan around the Verizon HTC One forums. When an update happens there's usually chatter in the Rumrunner thread.
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It'll happen when it happens. I want to root my phone as much as the next guy, particularly so that the titanium backup app I paid good money for will have a purpose, but having previously come from a sprint gs II, the "stock" version of this phone is leagues ahead of others I've seen. Root is almost unnecessary.
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Aganar said:
Root is almost unnecessary.
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I agree with you 99%. In fact the only reason I want to root this phone is so I can install adaway.
Tethering
I need root to tether as the 4.4.2 update killed Foxfi. There is no way in HELL I am paying $30 to Verizon just to tether my phone to my computer (I have unlimited data)
KOAO said:
I need root to tether as the 4.4.2 update killed Foxfi. There is no way in HELL I am paying $30 to Verizon just to tether my phone to my computer (I have unlimited data)
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Not to mention you would also lose you unlimited data if you did go with Verizon's service. I'm in the same boat, my Foxfi got killed with the update and I considered paying for the mobile hotspot feature but said hell no to giving up my unlim data.
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Root is almost unnecessary.
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Can't agree with you. Verizon installs a bunch of unneeded software which just drains your battery. Also you can't create a hot-spot. That's ridiculous - they're taking money for a built-in android feature. So having root gives you a real advantage of re-flashing your device with custom firmware and getting rid of all the limitations Verizon put on you.
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Can't agree with you. Verizon installs a bunch of unneeded software which just drains your battery. Also you can't create a hot-spot. That's ridiculous - they're taking money for a built-in android feature. So having root gives you a real advantage of re-flashing your device with custom firmware and getting rid of all the limitations Verizon put on you.
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You can disable most of the bloat software. Just go into your settings, go to app manager, go to all and tap on whatever you want to disable. It will make it like the app was never there.
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You can disable most of the bloat software. Just go into your settings, go to app manager, go to all and tap on whatever you want to disable. It will make it like the app was never there.
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That doesn't exactly fix the problem of the apps taking up valuable space. I kinda agree with both of you. I think that without root this phone, unlike the S4 and others, is mostly enjoyable and still smooth. However, with root it just adds a nice amount of gravy. I like being able to perform nandroids/flash firmwares/etc, use Titanium Backup, flash any rom I please with useful features (like double tap to wake so I don't have to use the poorly placed power button), use Xposed modules, use Adaway, use emulators with a PS3 controller, etc etc.
Root vs not rooted is irrelevant to the OP. The OP wants root.
I highly recommend checking with sonic or checking with mobile tech videos.
It is probably possible to downgrade the firmware to make the phone vulnerable to S-off
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Disagree with those who say rooting is unnecessary. It is like opening a window to endless opportunities on your phone , sort of like Alice through the Looking Glass. It is very worth it. I have been rooted since version 4.2 and to me defines the very concept of Android being open source. Verizon tries to limit the Android like Apple does to the iPhone.
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xdadevnube said:
Root vs not rooted is irrelevant to the OP. The OP wants root.
I highly recommend checking with sonic or checking with mobile tech videos.
It is probably possible to downgrade the firmware to make the phone vulnerable to S-off
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It's not possible to downgrade firmware..unless, of course, you're s-off. If there's a way to achieve s-off for the VZW HTC One on 4.4.2, it will be seen here in the VZW HTC One forums. There's a new thread everyday asking the same question.
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It's not possible to downgrade firmware..unless, of course, you're s-off. If there's a way to achieve s-off for the VZW HTC One on 4.4.2, it will be seen here in the VZW HTC One forums. There's a new thread everyday asking the same question.
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Are you sure that Sonic's card method or Mobile Tech Videos can't do it?
Unless you confirm with them, I still suspect it is possible.
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Are you sure that Sonic's card method or Mobile Tech Videos can't do it?
Unless you confirm with them, I still suspect it is possible.
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I'm 100% positive you can't downgrade firmware. Sonics java card is the only other possibility. Don't think anyone has had any luck contacting him, though (check out the java card s-off thread). I know I tried before 4.3 was exploited. If mobile tech videos had a method, you would have seen a thread somewhere in this forum.
Basically all I was getting at is that if there's a way to achieve s-off on 4.4.2, there would be chatter here.
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I'm 100% positive you can't downgrade firmware. Sonics java card is the only other possibility. Don't think anyone has had any luck contacting him, though (check out the java card s-off thread). I know I tried before 4.3 was exploited. If mobile tech videos had a method, you would have seen a thread somewhere in this forum.
Basically all I was getting at is that if there's a way to achieve s-off on 4.4.2, there would be chatter here.
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No offense, but you are saying neither Sonic nor Mobile Tech Videos have been contacted...
Therefore, your conclusion that it is not possible to downgrade firmware is based on nothing.
Like I said, until I see it from the horses mouth, it is still a possibility. Sonic has achieved S-off for many people and I haven't seen anything to tarnish his good reputation. The Java card will likely work on the latest update.
I do not speak for Sonic nor Mobile Tech Videos. Until either party provides a confirmation themselves, I WILL NOT FALSLEY CONCLUDE IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
People said the exact and thing about the VZW Note 2. AS IT TURNS OUT, Mobile Tech Videos can downgrade the firmware on the VZW Note 2 with JTag. They confirmed when they were emailed. They charge 75$ for the valuable service.
You may be correct in that there is currently no cost free method to downgrade the firmware on the VZW HTC One on the latest OTA.
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No offense, but you are saying neither Sonic nor Mobile Tech Videos have been contacted...
Therefore, your conclusion that it is not possible to downgrade firmware is based on nothing.
Like I said, until I see it from the horses mouth, it is still a possibility. Sonic has achieved S-off for many people and I haven't seen anything to tarnish his good reputation. The Java card will likely work on the latest update.
I do not speak for Sonic nor Mobile Tech Videos. Until either party provides a confirmation themselves, I WILL NOT FALSLEY CONCLUDE IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
People said the exact and thing about the VZW Note 2. AS IT TURNS OUT, Mobile Tech Videos can downgrade the firmware on the VZW Note 2 with JTag. They confirmed when they were emailed. They charge 75$ for the valuable service.
You may be correct in that there is currently no cost free method to downgrade the firmware on the VZW HTC One on the latest OTA.
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SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO
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brholt6 said:
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO
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I'll give it a shot. It's better than useless naysaying and spreading FUD without the info to back it up.
I will get back with an answer. Unless you beat me to it.
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I'll give it a shot. It's better than useless naysaying and spreading FUD without the info to back it up.
I will get back with an answer. Unless you beat me to it.
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I'm s-off so I don't really care what you come up with. But I'm not just BS'ing. It would be great if people had the option to downgrade firmware so hopefully you can prove me wrong (since you're calling BS on the ability to downgrade...the java card gets you s-off, it doesn't downgrade your firmware. You're only hope is mobile tech to prove me wrong).
Anyways, bickering is even more useless than calling BS with nothing to back it up. I really do wish you luck...it would make a lot of people happy.
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Mobile Tech Videos confirmed that they can indeed S-off any, including Kitkat 4.4.2 OTA, VZW HTC One units.
They are charging $75.
No response from the PayPal email address that was used for the transaction with Sonic's S-off procedure. Not yet, anyway.
Mobile Tech Videos has a good reputation and I'm confident they will be true to their word.
Also, there is a new thread unveiling Jcases's root method for 4.4.2 to be unveiled in August.
Certainly not definitive, but I tried numerous times without success to contact Sonic about the java card S-off... I tried PM, text message, tweet, and email with no response. As, I am one of the unlucky ones with the 4.4.2 OTA, I may try the Mobile Tech Videos... anyone ever used them for an HTC Verizon device?