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Nandroid Backup & Apps

When I do a nandroid backup it appears to also include the apps that are installed also. Does this mean I can remove the actual apps from the SD Card to save space or does the nandroid backup merely reference the app from the SD Card, therefore meaning I have to leave them where they are?
EDIT: I've just viewed my SD Card on my notebook pc and can't find where the .apk's are located. Where are they stored if I move them to SD?

xybadog said:
When I do a nandroid backup it appears to also include the apps that are installed also. Does this mean I can remove the actual apps from the SD Card to save space or does the nandroid backup merely reference the app from the SD Card, therefore meaning I have to leave them where they are?
EDIT: I've just viewed my SD Card on my notebook pc and can't find where the .apk's are located. Where are they stored if I move them to SD?
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NANDROID backups EVERYTHING. every setting, shortcut, app, etc.
now what you see on your SD are some files that apps put there - like map application stores downloaded maps, your downloaded mp3 go there etc. NANDROID does NOT include that.
however it DOES include the .android_secure folder. inside this folder there is android app data moved to SD with froyo a2sd (move to SD/USB storage in android > settings > applications) you cannot see this files but they are there. these are NOT apk files, these are some data files. the data files are settings in apps. if you somehow manage to delete .android_secure you would lose all saved games and apps settings (of the apps that stored this info in .android_secure(
.apk files, if present on SD at all, will be on ext partition (invisible in windows) however it only applies to ROM that supports A2SD+ (some custom obviously, and it is there only if you formatted your SD to FAT32 + EXT3/4) NANDROID also includes SD-EXT.
to sum it all up. after you make a NANDROID, yes you can delete stuff from SD - this will only delete whatever app had there (like some fancy ringtones for facebook, downloaded maps of google maps, downloaded voices of SVOX or some game files like levels or sounds etc), but NOT this app settings or login files stored in .android_secure (unless you delete that too obviosly). so in case of restoring a NANDROID you would have your whole internal back + sd-ext + .android_secure. but if you deleted stuff from SD apps would have to redownload it or re-do it. but their settings would be untouched (like 'remember me' in some app login would still work fine)
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looking back at your original Q:
yes you can delete stuff from SD now, NANDROID has nothing to do with it. it only backups .android_secure from SD - app settings, remembered login etc.

[Q] Starting Over From CM7

Hello all. Thanks in advance for any help. I attempted some searches before posting this but didn't come up with much.
I've been using CM7 for quite some time and I quite like it. However, I've started to get some random resets, force closes, and a few other issues. I also feel like I have a lot of unused garbage saved on my memory card and that the phone is generally bogged down and slower than it used to be. Long story short, I'd like to start from scratch, including formatting my 32GB SD card.
As I said, I'm currently on CM7. I'm looking to essentially do a total factory reset and format my SD card. I may go back to Sense until a stable ICS ROM is ready. But I may also go back to CM7. Regardless, my main concern is all these apps I have that were moved to my SD card.
How do I go about saving all of my data while still starting clean? I was thinking I'd back up all app data with MyBackup Pro and save that file on my computer, and then format the SD card. After wiping, flashing a ROM, etc., I'd download MyBackup Pro and upload the data backup back to my phone. Should I also save the .apk files and use them to restore the apps? Would there be any functional advantage in redownloading all the apps individually to ensure a totally clean start? I'm thinking about going the "redownload" route just to force myself to only reinstall the apps I really want/use. If I do that, would restoring data through a batch restore in MyBackup Pro for apps that are no longer installed create any kind of conflict?
If I do save the .apks, when I restore those won't it fill up my internal memory quickly because those apps are not being moved to the SD card automatically? Maybe that's another advantage of downloading each app individually. It would allow me to manually move each app to the SD card so as to keep the used internal memory to a minimum.
I know that was long-winded. Thanks in advance for any advice.
Josh

Get Titanium Backup, backup all your apps to the sd card. They should all be in the Titanium folder on the card, so if you want to format the card too, be sure to copy that to a computer first.

sitlet said:
Get Titanium Backup, backup all your apps to the sd card. They should all be in the Titanium folder on the card, so if you want to format the card too, be sure to copy that to a computer first.
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After formatting copy the titanium backup folder back to your SD card, pop back in phone,reinstall TB,restore apps.
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And in order to wipe the phone, format/wipe everything you can in your recovery before you reflash CM7 and your Kernel. Make sure you don't wipe the titanium backup on your SD card on accident.

Thanks guys.
So Will Ti Backup put all the apps back to the SD card? I tried this once before with MyBackup Pro and my internal memory filled up because it failed to move to the SD Card automatically.

jjbehren said:
Thanks guys.
So Will Ti Backup put all the apps back to the SD card? I tried this once before with MyBackup Pro and my internal memory filled up because it failed to move to the SD Card automatically.
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Depends, if you have dta2sd flashed before restoring then yes, if not you restore apps then move them to sdcard.
Here's the dta2sd thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715938
Flash rom,then gapps if applicable, then kernel if applicable, then dta2sd, Reboot ,download TB, restore apps.
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jjbehren said:
Thanks guys.
So Will Ti Backup put all the apps back to the SD card? I tried this once before with MyBackup Pro and my internal memory filled up because it failed to move to the SD Card automatically.
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Yes, if you set it to do so. In preferences (under restoration settings) there's the option "restore backups to...". You can choose all internal, all external, default (some apps automatically install to SD, most don't), or you can restore each backup to wherever it was when you backed it up.
Having all of your apps (or even a lot of them) stored on the SD card could be causing your lag. Internal memory always beats an SD card when it comes to read/write speeds. There's no need to have 200 mb free on internal storage, it's just wasted space. I don't know how much you actually have free, that was just an example. Definitely keep your important apps and apps that are heavy on resources on internal, it'll keep some of the lag at bay.
After a full wipe, I always only restore the absolutely necessary apps, even though I restore them from TB. If I ever need an app that I didn't initially restore then I'll restore it. It's like having a brand new phone when you do it that way.
If you decide to use TB, you'll need to move the TB preferences file back to your SD card after formatting... or you can just set it up again. The preferences file is on your SD in data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup. Copy the entire folder back to your SD if you don't want to set it up again.
Though it's been covered, I'll do a quick run down.
Do a nandroid backup + any other backup you want.
Copy the contents of your SD card to your computer.
Format your SD card.
Move the files that you need back to your SD card. Rom, kernel, TB folder & preferences folder, nandroid, whatever you want
Assuming you're using Amon Ra, wipe boot, system, data, .android_secure, SD-ext, cache, and dalvik. Since you're starting fresh, I'd wipe them one or two more times.
Flash rom and whatever other files you need.
Restore what you want to restore.
To help with lag, try increasing your VM heap size. You can do so with VM Heap Tool or Rom Toolbox. It'll help more than you'd think.
You can also try the V6 Supercharger script.
Good luck!
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Yeah. I know I have way too much stuff on my phone. I have a ton of apps, mainly games. Damn you Amazon free app of the day! I usually roll with about 100MB or so of free internal memory.
So that being said, would you move the Dalvik-Cache to the SD? I have a 32GB Sandisk Class 4 SD card.
And it really seems you guys steer clear of MyBackUp Pro, huh? I've found it much easier to use than Ti Bu.
Thanks again for the advice.

[Q] Titanium Backup.zip question

When I save a Titanium Backup.zip, is that backing everything including the programs and data NOT on the SD card? In otherwords, if I want to make a back up of just the sd card contents if I want to change/upgrade my card, do I just copy the entire sd card to my PC and after formatting the new card just copy everything back? If I use the Titanium Backup.zip won't that wipe over everything and not just the sd card right?

rando991 said:
When I save a Titanium Backup.zip, is that backing everything including the programs and data NOT on the SD card? In otherwords, if I want to make a back up of just the sd card contents if I want to change/upgrade my card, do I just copy the entire sd card to my PC and after formatting the new card just copy everything back? If I use the Titanium Backup.zip won't that wipe over everything and not just the sd card right?
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Are you talking about creating an 'update.zip' from Titanium Backup? Assuming this is what you're referring to, though I've never done it, I think all it does is enables you to install TB from CWM directly. I wish most ROMs would just include TB, but since not everyone uses it I understand why they don't.
I don't think this makes a backup of anything really, but I could be wrong. If you want to back everything up, that's where you can nandroid. If you want to backup everything on your SD card, then the steps you stated about copying to a PC are probably your best bet.

Just backup your sd card on a PC, format the new card in the phone (for best compatibility). Then restore everything back onto it from the PC.
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Yeah, it starts out as an "Update.zip" but I choose the "Titanium Backup.zip" option. Huh! I did't know that it was only making a backup of Titanium Backup.

rando991 said:
Yeah, it starts out as an "Update.zip" but I choose the "Titanium Backup.zip" option. Huh! I did't know that it was only making a backup of Titanium Backup.
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I'm not 100% on that, but based on what I read in that option, that's what it sounds like to me. The purpose would be a way for you to restore all your apps if you're lacking a data connection when you flash something new or wipe anything. Chances are slim, but I reckon they're there. If you don't have a data connection, there is no way to download TB and use it to restore anything else...
EDIT: I guess one way to find out would be to make that zip and see how big the file is. If it's only a few megs, then it's just TB. If it's more than that, like over 80ish, then you know it's quite a bit more than just the one app.

Titanium backup on T-mobile's Galaxy S3

Can anyone tell me what the settings should be on my Galaxy S3 in order to save a Titanium backup to the external SD card? While I had Titanium and used it on my HTC Sensation without a problem, I have encountered that when I have it on my T-mo Galaxy SIII, it saves the backups to the internal 16 GB memory by default, not the SD card. This is a problem because the backup is erased when I instal a new ROM and wipe the partition. Recently I installed a new ROM and found out that when I went to recover all my apps they were gone and were not on my SD card backed up (even though I had ran it and completed a backup). My pics and videos were still on the SD card so I know that it was not formatted itself when I installed the new ROM.
My current backup folder shows as: /mnt/sdcard/TitaniumBackup
Should it be something else in order to save to my external 64 GB SDCard? Should any other settings be changed to something else? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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That should be the right folder. /sdcard/ refers to the external microSD for our phones. I just checked my TI settings and that's the same folder I use.

In your 64gb micro SD create a folder called "TitaniumBackup" <----this is very important!
Then open up Titanium Backup app and hit menu button, then go to Preferences.
Scroll down and select *Backup folder location.
Press "Detect", then "Whole device".
Once its done you will see /mnt/extSdCard/Titaniumbackup in the list. Select it. (the other one is gonna be /mnt/titaniumbackup thats internal sd)
Then select "Use the current folder".
If it asks you to transfer data you can which will transfer your existing back in the internal to the new one. Up to you. Or you can just start a whole new backup which will now store in you micro sd card.

Xanatos57 said:
That should be the right folder. /sdcard/ refers to the external microSD for our phones. I just checked my TI settings and that's the same folder I use.
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Wrong
it's /mnt/extSDcard

Or you can connect your phone to your computer and pull the titanium backup folder from your phone for safe keeping while you flash. Then once everything is booted up again you can reconnect and drag and drop the folder back on the phone.

Titanium Backup and External Micro SD Problems

I'm a long time reader of XDA but I'm fairly certain that this is the first time I've ever really needed to post as most of my questions are answered by others. This time I can't find any answers so I have to post.
Here is my situation: I've backed up all of my data with Titanium Backup Pro, I do this regularly. I was running CM9 and everything worked beautifully well and all of the apps that I wanted to be were saved on my external micro SD card. Then I decided to upgrade to the new CM10 for one reason or another so I did a backup with TB then wiped my phone, installed Gingerbread, and then installed CM10 (I guess I had to, the current CM9 wouldn't allow me to flash CM10 for one reason or another).
The installation all went well but then when doing the restore with TB I realized that it was restoring everything to my phone memory and not to the external SD. It then stopped restoring when it ran out of space on the phone. Now I have data on both my external (that wasn't wiped so the info is still there) and on my phone. When I try to move any app to the external SD as I once did, instead of sending it to the micro SD card, it sends it to an internal mounted drive called ASEC (or at least as far as I can tell). Basically the phone ignores the fact that I have an external card and it won't let me move apps there. Being put off by this I went through the steps of restoring CM9 but not through a Nandroid backup. I did a full factory wipe and just reinstalled it. I didn't think to make a nandroid because it was backed up with TB. It may have been stupid but there's nothing I can do about it now.
Now with CM9 installed I'm having the exact same problem I had with CM10 and I'm confused as hell. Why doesn't it want to link my apps to the external data that's already there? Shouldn't TB remember the directory's and point the apps in that direction? I can understand why it would be confused with CM10 because the file naming structure was different (it was Sdcard1 or something like that instead of external_SD) but now I'm completely lost after reinstalling CM9. Anyone have any ideas on how to correct this? When I try to move any apps to the SD card it just puts them in the same ASEC folder. Any help is certainly appreciated.