A few weeks ago, I sold my Desire and bought a Desire Z, cuz the Desire Z has better gpu, the adreno 205, which does 58fps on neocore. Recently, I while reading gsmarena's review of the HTC explorer, they benchmarked the explorer's GPU with neocore and it did 58fps, same as my Desire Z, but the difference with the explorer and the Desire Z is the gpu, the htc explorer has adreno 200, the one on the desire. When I had my desire, the neocore score was 35.1fps, gsmarena said htc boosted the performence of the Adreno 200. So I've been wondering, can the devs here boost the GPU performance too?
Explorer has lower resolution so that is the reason why it is faster than Desire.
Then how do u explain the wildfire s? It has adreno 200 and same or lower resolution then explorer, bur does 37fps
the CPU in the desire is better, the CPU can improve the graphics performance
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theyau said:
the CPU in the desire is better, the CPU can improve the graphics performance
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I don't get u
The CPU increases graphics performance
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Would the kernel make much of a difference? Afaik, the Explorer uses a 2.6.38 kernel compared to the 2.6.35 of the Desire/Desire Z
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Would the kernel make much of a difference? Afaik, the Explorer uses a 2.6.38 kernel compared to the 2.6.35 of the Desire/Desire Z
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Maybe u guys could modify the kernels on the desire to get better gpu performance.
sebastian, there are many reasons for which the Explorer scores just as good as your Desire Z. One of them and possibly the most important is the fact that is has a way lower display resolution (as hb5 has already pointed out). The other important fact is that it has a MSM7227 CPU, while the Wildfire S sports a MSM7225A unit, which in comparisson with the 7227 doesn't appear to have any L2 cache or a FPU (math coprocessor). Factor in a few kernel optimizations here and there et voila - 58 FPS.
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Hello,
Desire and Desire HD share the same arm CPU of 1Ghz, it is hard to get full board and chip-set specs of both.
My question is why there are lags when using a DHD ROM on the desire?
No, they have slightly different CPUs (chipsets).
Desire:
1 GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chipset,576 MB RAM
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1 GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 205 GPU, Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon, 768 MB RAM
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The CPU listed it as the same, but it is a newer architecture + more RAM = more juice.
Also, I'm using InserCoin HD port, and have no lags with that one.
I tried Reflex sense for a while but went back to non HD auraxTsense
I had no lag on reflex though - it was very good
I'm using owhne v4.2.3 , and have no lags with that one.
I just can't figure out why our desire z cannot run sense 3.5 smoothly.
Htc sensation XL: 1.5 Ghz, Adreno 205, 768mb RAM
My Desire Z: overclocked 1.5 Ghz, Adreno 205, 512mb RAM and 256mb swap
I'm thinking GPU issue here, the sensation xl can scroll rosie smoothly without needing ultra smooth patch.
Any way to improve gpu performance?
And even after activating swap, the phone doesn't really uses it to its full potential, it only uses up around 10% of the swap partition.
Any ideas to encourage the phone to maximize the use of the swap partition?
There is a lot more to CPU performance than clock frequency. The CPU on the Sensation XL is dual core, and probably a completely different architecture. I fully expect a 1.5 GHz dual core CPU to run circles around the G2/DZ's CPU, regardless of how much you OC it.
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There is a lot more to CPU performance than clock frequency. The CPU on the Sensation XL is dual core, and probably a completely different architecture. I fully expect a 1.5 GHz dual core CPU to run circles around the G2/DZ's CPU, regardless of how much you OC it.
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sensation XL is single core, same as DESIRE HD but higher clock
xT4Z1N4TRx said:
sensation XL is single core, same as DESIRE HD but higher clock
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Still, the G2/DZ is MSM7230, and the XL is MSM8255. Even if single core, its a newer generation and not the same chip. And even so, a overclocked CPU is never going to perform as well as one that is factory clocked to the same GHz.
It is the same generation of processors, the one on the desire z just have a lower clock speed. Even with overclocked 2ghz, I can't get as smooth as sensation xl
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Still, the G2/DZ is MSM7230, and the XL is MSM8255. Even if single core, its a newer generation and not the same chip. And even so, a overclocked CPU is never going to perform as well as one that is factory clocked to the same GHz.
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Actually, if the only difference between two CPUs is the frequency, the overclocked one should out perform the stock one since overclocking boosts data buses as well.
So, in theory, my desire z should be better at running sense 3.5 then htc sensation xl?
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So, in theory, my desire z should be better at running sense 3.5 then htc sensation xl?
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No because the Sensation XL has 768MB of RAM....Desire Z has 384MB (Advertised as 512MB but not all is seen by OS)
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Actually, if the only difference between two CPUs is the frequency, the overclocked one should out perform the stock one since overclocking boosts data buses as well.
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Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
Sense 3.5 does run smooth for me. The only bad thing really is loading apps, and that's cuz of ram
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Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
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I wasn't talking about the sensetion XL vs Desire Z. Their CPUs have architectural differences beyond the stock frequencies. Even if you overclock the desire Z to 1.5 GHZ, there are other factors like double channel for RAM etc.
Sensetion XL has a more powerful core with more advanced features. This is why clocking our phones to 1.5 is not giving the performance of Sensetion XL.
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Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
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What u mean not all is seen by OS? I thought the 384mb is usable ram and the others were system resources?
My older desire has 576mb of ram, but shows 404 usable.
And also, doesn't swap give more ram?
Does vm heapsize help with making Rosie smoother? Mine is 48m for now..
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What u mean not all is seen by OS? I thought the 384mb is usable ram and the others were system resources?
My older desire has 576mb of ram, but shows 404 usable.
And also, doesn't swap give more ram?
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Swap do give more ram,but a slow one..since its not from the hardware ram its just virtual ram..I said it slow because Android only use it when the real ram is running out..correct me if I'm wrong, srry for my English XD hope I do help =)
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Swap do give more ram,but a slow one..since its not from the hardware ram its just virtual ram..I said it slow because Android only use it when the real ram is running out.correct me if I'm wrong, srry for my English XD hope I do help =)
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I use sense 3.5 on the virtuous afinity rom 1.48.1 and ist verry smoothly!
I use also the romcleaner bevor and moved by titanium some other app from my DZ.
Its for me the best combination without a ext3 part on the SD.
Greetings ivi
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Smooth sense 3.5
I run Chef's RCmix 4.0 Energized blue edition as of today with supercharger script set to option 8. Very smooth, much better than stock. Remove some unnecessary apps, play with the Energy setting and you're good to go. No swap needed (at least for now).
+1 for virtuous affinity. Runs smooth from stock but with a few very simple tweaks it is very slick. Start with installing 4ext and partition/format everything as ext4. Then install the rom and enable the swap partition. With a mild OC of 1Ghz I find everything beautifully smooth without needing to use the 'smooth rosie' features in the settings.
Im now running Mik runny
I have All 7 pages full of widgets
120+ apps
supercharger option 7
supercharger 13
lagnullifier
swap
oc 1.5 ondemand
class 4 sd card
LAGGY
(Virtuous affinity is the most laggy for me)
(I can NEVER get a smooth unlock animation, NEVER)
sebastianlow said:
LAGGY
(Virtuous affinity is the most laggy for me)
(I can NEVER get a smooth unlock animation, NEVER)
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I never liked the unlock animation... Got that disabled since I feel like it's a waste of resource and time... The lock animation is ok for me though....
Can we made GPU patch for scense 3.5 to render with GPU for any scense rom
Never heard a patch for the gpu , maybe a gpu overlock (impossible i think on device's)
What do you mean exactly, the GPU already does lots of rendering on all ROMs ?
Perhaps you are asking for full hardware rendering on everything for Sense ROMs ? I don't think that will be easy and may well be impossible (particularly due to lack of source code), but let's hope I am wrong.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
Actually, there might be a possibility to boost GPU performence, but GPU aint whats cause lag in sense 3.5, its low ram.
The people at Desire's Department actually boosted their GPU from 29FPS to 37-38FPS (Desire's GPU is Adreno 200) With something called GPU+
The people at HTC boosted the HTC Explorer's GPU (Adreno 200) to 58FPS
Those were based on neocore results*
I was using Huawei u8800 before Desire Z, and i must say, even tho they have the same hardware (adreno 205), games like temple run were really smoother on u8800.
Also, on Antutu, with same cpu frequencies:
u8800: 900
desire z: 750
same difference on quadrant. anyone knows what makes vision get lower scores and performance? (im not using sense btw)
I was wondering if it will be possible to overclock the gpu , because my cpu of my htc one v seems to be insanely good , even ran the max 2ghz for few hours , then restarted when i moved the app the storage card, so could be just sd card bug or something , but i switched it back to 1.8ghz(245mhz idle) , anyway my quadrant score is quite low because of the gpu , because i hit 4,1k cpu score at 2ghz , and have seen other phones being able to overclock the gpu.
Hope to see the gpu overclock able soon, will make this phone even better
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I was wondering if it will be possible to overclock the gpu , because my cpu of my htc one v seems to be insanely good , even ran the max 2ghz for few hours , then restarted when i moved the app the storage card, so could be just sd card bug or something , but i switched it back to 1.8ghz(245mhz idle) , anyway my quadrant score is quite low because of the gpu , because i hit 4,1k cpu score at 2ghz , and have seen other phones being able to overclock the gpu.
Hope to see the gpu overclock able soon, will make this phone even better
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My can withstand the 2ghz constantly without overheat, but that is the cpu. The gpu is a different story.
Ken-Shi_Kun said:
My can withstand the 2ghz constantly without overheat, but that is the cpu. The gpu is a different story.
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hmm just check again my memory and Io score seems to be a problem , score just over 1.9k, seems to low
hereticangel said:
hmm just check again my memory and Io score seems to be a problem , score just over 1.9k, seems to low
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This is a known issue with the Titanium kernel (KISS has e.g. the same values here as stock)
you can read about it in the kernel thread for this kernel
But I doubt that those benchmarks values make a noticable difference in daily usage
So if you need OC more then 1.5GHz just stay with Titanium.
If you think that I/O values will make your device slower use KISS kernel
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max
PS: Regarding the original question
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710850
There you can read all about OCing the GPU
Common point at the end. They didnt found a way to do it
thanx for the reply, was just wondering about score , phone it selfs seems very fast and have no problems with it
ok so the gpu scales with cpu overclock then , must say ashalpt 6 plays very nicely
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424345
that guy did overclock hes gpu with 220 chip , maybe new ones can be overclocked only.
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hereticangel said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424345
that guy did overclock hes gpu with 220 chip , maybe new ones can be overclocked only.
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Sensation has a Snapdragon S3 One V has S2
regards max
i am pretty sure i saw an app called "Dual" something on the LG P990 threads and it had the option to overclock the gpu*
*if the kernel supports it
sorry for digging up old thread, but... are there now any chances for OCing GPU?
parkourz said:
sorry for digging up old thread, but... are there now any chances for OCing GPU?
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no we're only adreno 205. Only adreno 220/225 supports OC.
MameTozhio said:
no we're only adreno 205. Only adreno 220/225 supports OC.
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It's stupid... phones with Adreno 220/225 are almost shining and new, so where's need to OC them?
parkourz said:
It's stupid... phones with Adreno 220/225 are almost shining and new, so where's need to OC them?
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How is the qualcomm sanpdragon s3 new
The new ones are Adreno 420, 330, 320, 305 etc.
on Snapdragon 400, 800, 600, s4 pro, other ones I forgot (805 for adreno 420?)
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How is the qualcomm sanpdragon s3 new
The new ones are Adreno 420, 330, 320, 305 etc.
on Snapdragon 400, 800, 600, s4 pro, other ones I forgot (805 for adreno 420?)
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That's why I wrote "almost" so we have to wait for AdrenoBooster for ICS/JB
Good news for me on my One S I will OC my GPU
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