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Where next?

I'm in a quandary and I wanted to find out where people are going after the Desire. For me it is pretty much the perfect phone, this is down to build quality and developer support.
I don't know if i can move to a phone that doesn't have as much support, what will i do without all my flashing?!
Anyway, the SGSII is plastic and the Sensation isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination (it isn't the 'new Desire' in terms of changing the game).
What are others upgrading to? I've got 6 months on my contract, do i buy myself out and upgrade or wait it out?
All thoughts very welcome!

Now that the bootloader is unlocked im going with the sensation but a lot of people seem to be going with the galaxy s II

i would wait to see what the nexus 3 will be like, it is coming out with ice cream sandwhich and is proberly going to have a tegra 3 processor and google phones always have loads of development.

theyau said:
i would wait to see what the nexus 3 will be like, it is coming out with ice cream sandwhich and is proberly going to have a tegra 3 processor and google phones always have loads of development.
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What's the lead time on that? Are we expecting it this year? That will also depend on manufacturer for me too... can't deal with plastic phones!

This might be some sort of sacrilege but I would to see an Android device with the same design ethos as the iPhone 4.
HTC Sensation looks closest but I'm done with Sense.
Galaxy S2 would edge it for me at the moment though.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Maix27 said:
What's the lead time on that? Are we expecting it this year? That will also depend on manufacturer for me too... can't deal with plastic phones!
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it is expected in time for xmas or in january it is also going to be made by htc or lg, google hasn't desided yet

A friend of mine has the HTC Incredible S and it's really nice, the only problem is, it still has the locked bootloader and I'm not sure how easy rooting it would be.

FlareHeart said:
A friend of mine has the HTC Incredible S and it's really nice, the only problem is, it still has the locked bootloader and I'm not sure how easy rooting it would be.
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With locked bootloader it is practical impossible to install a custom rom.
Maix27 said:
Where next?
I'm in a quandary and I wanted to find out where people are going after the Desire. For me it is pretty much the perfect phone, this is down to build quality and developer support.
I don't know if i can move to a phone that doesn't have as much support, what will i do without all my flashing?!
Anyway, the SGSII is plastic and the Sensation isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination (it isn't the 'new Desire' in terms of changing the game).
What are others upgrading to? I've got 6 months on my contract, do i buy myself out and upgrade or wait it out?
All thoughts very welcome!
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Although you do not want it, a very good review of sgsII:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
The lg optimus speed p990 seems to be good, too.
If i were you, i would buy the sgsII or wait until the next htc-phone with as of now again unlocked bootloader releases and buy this one.

[Q] Rooting/Overclocking the Wildfire S

Hi there guys.
I was wondering if anyone had any guides for rooting and overclocking the Wildfire S (Running 2.3 (Gingerbread)), and also if anyone knew any clock speeds that should get me a nifty enough speed boost while keeping battery life relatively decent.
Thanks in advance.

The Wildfire S can be rooted with the use of GingerBreak. However before you can use that tool, you have to unlock the bootloader with an XTC Clip.
The default clockspeed of the phone is fast enough :-S

Ah. That could be a problem... I don't have the money for an XTC Clip.

The XTC PayG clips are reasonably priced.

Still don't have the money. I'm using it up on the phone...
EDIT: Modestly priced my ass! That's around £50 less than the damn phone itself!

AlpharevX team are testing a new version which works for the Wildfire S. Some hopefully some time soon you will be able to unlock it

maybe no one is working on wildfire S make some mods and root, same in symbian modding it's stagnant where did the modders go. I'm new to android forums nothing
I can see here to play with my phone, it's just on the table all the time unlike when I have the X6 keeps me busy flashing hundred times and cooking every night just need JAF and some tools to cook a CFW. no hardware needed.

There is work going on. It's just difficult because of the bootloader encryption but the Alpharev team have sorted that. I expect a few weeks before the unlock for the Wildfire S is public then there will be a lot more modding and ROM cooking happening.

imlgl said:
There is work going on. It's just difficult because of the bootloader encryption but the Alpharev team have sorted that. I expect a few weeks before the unlock for the Wildfire S is public then there will be a lot more modding and ROM cooking happening.
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Ah, that's good to hear. Stuff like the XTC Clip is way too expensive for me... Wish HTC would just unlock the bootloader. Save a lot of work...

I was lucky enough to get one free, HTC should be unlocking them soon hopefully.

imlgl said:
I was lucky enough to get one free, HTC should be unlocking them soon hopefully.
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I've asked them what's the story with bootloaders via Facebook. No response since that time. I think they just did it for marketing purposes, and now they will fool us for couple of months

mars83 said:
I've asked them what's the story with bootloaders via Facebook. No response since that time. I think they just did it for marketing purposes, and now they will fool us for couple of months
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I might as well ask them too. I mean, I'll be looking to root it only when the warranty is completed anyway, so I have a year...

Well I read an article on Phandroid a few weeks ago and HTC said that they are creating a new upodate which will unlock the Sensation. No word on any other phone.

dantdj said:
Still don't have the money. I'm using it up on the phone...
EDIT: Modestly priced my ass! That's around £50 less than the damn phone itself!
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The XTC PayG clip is 32 pound; so you're saying you bought the phone for 80 pound?! I find that hard to believe; the phone is still 259 euro in the NL.

LeeCHeSSS said:
The XTC PayG clip is 32 pound; so you're saying you bought the phone for 80 pound?! I find that hard to believe; the phone is still 259 euro in the NL.
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+230 euro in IE
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510e using XDA App

imlgl said:
Well I read an article on Phandroid a few weeks ago and HTC said that they are creating a new upodate which will unlock the Sensation. No word on any other phone.
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Darn it.
LeeCHeSSS said:
The XTC PayG clip is 32 pound; so you're saying you bought the phone for 80 pound?! I find that hard to believe; the phone is still 259 euro in the NL.
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The place I saw it on my Googling was over $200, which comes down to around £120-130.

That is for the full clip which is basically the commercial version.

dantdj said:
Darn it.
The place I saw it on my Googling was over $200, which comes down to around £120-130.
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Try http://xtc.hk/
They ship within 2 days with FedEx High Priority.

LeeCHeSSS said:
Try http://xtc.hk/
They ship within 2 days with FedEx High Priority.
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£50-60 is still really expensive though. I'm not really prepared to pay that much just to root something. Seems like a waste.

Could see if any local phone shops have the xtc clip. They would charge about £10

HTCDev.com is up!

I figure since it is a DEVELOPER center for HTC phones, it deserves to be in the Dev section! Anyway, OpenSense SDK, Kernel Source code, and unlock bootloaders soon to come!(hopefully for Inc2 as well...) Who is excited??
http://htcdev.com/
(EDIT) Please go to http://htcdev.com/contact and tell them to unlock all of the inc 2s that were "graced" with gingerbread...

Yay
sent via rooted Droid Incredible 2

..but we already have unlocked bootloaders for htc inc2

andybones said:
..but we already have unlocked bootloaders for htc inc2
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But this is OFFICIAL...

andybones said:
..but we already have unlocked bootloaders for htc inc2
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Technically, yes. If you have an XTC clip or a Froyo phone (which are harder to get as every day goes by). So, in response to your statement I'd have to say yes, but not really.
From the way they've been explaining things it's going to be device specific, and our device hasn't been mentioned. It would be nice if all HTC devices were able to just be unlocked.

shoman24v said:
Technically, yes. If you have an XTC clip or a Froyo phone (which are harder to get as every day goes by). So, in response to your statement I'd have to say yes, but not really.
From the way they've been explaining things it's going to be device specific, and our device hasn't been mentioned. It would be nice if all HTC devices were able to just be unlocked.
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It would be extremely nice of HTC to do this for those that were not so quick to pick one of these amazing devices up as fast as some of us
Sent from my Incredible Sensation using XDA App

yea but you have to submit all this information. I'd get an XTC clip. all of them are unlimted now. and I'm sure raskal is going to continue to do his thing, I'd rather pay for a device that can s-off a numerous number of phones for a one time price. I'd rather not root than give my information and have them monitor to see if I am tethering and what not.

andybones said:
yea but you have to submit all this information. I'd get an XTC clip. all of them are unlimted now. and I'm sure raskal is going to continue to do his thing, I'd rather pay for a device that can s-off a numerous number of phones for a one time price. I'd rather not root than give my information and have them monitor to see if I am tethering and what not.
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Its would be a hard decision to choose free vs. private/unlimited (assuming that HTC releases it for Inc2...)

Just because you unlock your bootloader doesn't mean they are gonna be out there to see if you tether.

shoman24v said:
Just because you unlock your bootloader doesn't mean they are gonna be out there to see if you tether.
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As long as Verizon doesn't extend their hand into this it may very well be a great thing.

Damn, I hope HTC will release the unlocked bootloader for Inc2, will save me $15! I'm wishing I didn't return my S-OFF'd Inc2 for a brand new Inc2 (other one was banged up badly). Anyone in LA/San Bernadino County want to meet up so I can S-OFF my phone? I'd be extremely great full, PM me if you're in either county!

HTC is asking us what we want from this site...
I would include the link, but cannot post a link yet... but goto htcdev.com/contact
... you think we can make our presence known and that we want our Inc2 unlocked!

Well they said the Evo3d and the Sensation, but I see a picture of the desire s, hopefully this will be for all HTC devices.

bevelmatt said:
HTC is asking us what we want from this site...
I would include the link, but cannot post a link yet... but goto htcdev.com/contact
... you think we can make our presence known and that we want our Inc2 unlocked!
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Sent from my Incredible Sensation using XDA App

Something worth worrying about regarding the One X

Edit: its been reported that at&t is indeed blocking the unlock for their version of this device.
The release of the One X has us all very excited, and there is much reason to be excited. Yet, I feel like many people don't really understand some of the issues we may be up against. Let's take into account some recent HTC phones that came out. Let's look at the Vivid and Rezound. Both of these devices did not have the option to unlock the bootloader until months after. In fact, HTC was not even planning on talking about releasing the unlock until 6 months or later after initial release of the device. We started petitions, spammed the twitters and facebooks of AT&T/Verizon and HTC. It was amazing how each just blamed eachother for the locked bootloaders. Keep in mind this was AFTER the CEO of HTC promised no more locked bootloaders. Samsung does not ship locked bootloaders either. After a few months of begging and pleading, we eventually got official HTC dev unlock. But by that time, most the devs and community were gone.
We had a few teams working very hard on cracking the Vivid/Rezound but to no avail. Apparently HTC upped their game compared to past devices, and to this day we still don't even have unofficial bootloader unlock, s off, sim unlock, etc. On AT&T, the Vivid was one of the best spec'd devices, if not the best, out at the time. Yet, due to the actions of HTC/AT&T, the development was absolutely screwed. At this point in time we have only three or four devs with ROMs, no doubt we would have had tons more if not for the locked bootloader issues.
We need to talk with HTC before the release of this device to make sure the One X doesn't get screwed as bad as the Vivid did. You guys don't know how much it sucks to wait months and months to even put a custom ROM on your phone. We need to hold HTC to their promise. Sure, we can rely on unofficial methods, but then there's always that "what if" factor if nothing happens there.
EDIT: Willyami found this, I'm happy to hear temp-root is already achieved. Yet the article still states we need bootloader unlock or S OFF for perm root...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/

http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
The One X is already rooted by Modaco. So I do believe this wont be such a problem to One X.

slapshot30 said:
The release of the One X has us all very excited, and there is much reason to be excited. Yet, I feel like many people don't really understand some of the issues we may be up against. Let's take into account some recent HTC phones that came out. Let's look at the Vivid and Rezound. Both of these devices did not have the option to unlock the bootloader until months after. In fact, HTC was not even planning on talking about releasing the unlock until 6 months or later after initial release of the device. We started petitions, spammed the twitters and facebooks of AT&T/Verizon and HTC. It was amazing how each just blamed eachother for the locked bootloaders. Keep in mind this was AFTER the CEO of HTC promised no more locked bootloaders. Samsung does not ship locked bootloaders either. After a few months of begging and pleading, we eventually got official HTC dev unlock. But by that time, most the devs and community were gone.
We had a few teams working very hard on cracking the Vivid/Rezound but to no avail. Apparently HTC upped their game compared to past devices, and to this day we still don't even have unofficial bootloader unlock, s off, sim unlock, etc. On AT&T, the Vivid was one of the best spec'd devices, if not the best, out at the time. Yet, due to the actions of HTC/AT&T, the development was absolutely screwed. At this point in time we have only three or four devs with ROMs, no doubt we would have had tons more if not for the locked bootloader issues.
We need to talk with HTC before the release of this device to make sure the One X doesn't get screwed as bad as the Vivid did. You guys don't know how much it sucks to wait months and months to even put a custom ROM on your phone. We need to hold HTC to their promise. Sure, we can rely on unofficial methods, but then there's always that "what if" factor if nothing happens there.
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Absolutely agree with you dude. As a result of so few devs over there, I still haven't unlocked and rooted my Vivid.
Sent from my HTC Vivid using XDA app

i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.

uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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Yeah, maybe for you. But this is a development site. we're here to develop and make the device as badass as possible. The phone will be enjoyed for sure. but enjoyed more with it rooted Running a CoreDroid Rom

uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.

williamyi said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
The One X is already rooted by Modaco. So I do believe this wont be such a problem to One X.
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Damn, nice find. I still wonder how HTC will do with the official unlock though. They are really laggy when it comes to releasing code too.
uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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lol easier to talk the talk than walk the walk. I had the same mindset you did, but two/three months of the same old thing and same old sense really sucked. Try it if you don't believe me.

420kushking said:
I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
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Yea it's your choice, but the phone isn't even out yet. I just don't understand buying a phone because of what rom you could possibly get on it. Just my opinion.

Unfortunately, that is only temp root. It is not a permanent root solution. This link is the exact method described in the article and its from this forums dev section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562470
Sent from my HTC Vivid using XDA app

uranis said:
Yea it's your choice, but the phone isn't even out yet. I just don't understand buying a phone because of what rom you could possibly get on it. Just my opinion.
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A HUGE factor that goes into what phone I buy is how big the potential is for development. I think that's a pretty common thing to look for for most XDA'ers.

420kushking said:
I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
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That's temp root, not perm root. The article states we still need S OFF or htcdev unlock for perm root.

slapshot30 said:
A HUGE factor that goes into what phone I buy is how big the potential is for development. I think that's a pretty common thing to look for for most XDA'ers.
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Yeah that's what I look for. I was lucky for getting a captivate a while back, it was my first android device and I loved doing the customization. I'll be happy with this phone but I'm really looking forward to the development.

slapshot30 said:
Damn, nice find. I still wonder how HTC will do with the official unlock though. They are really laggy when it comes to releasing code too.
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HTC have already released the source code to the Sensation ICS kernel, and it's not even properly rolled out yet. Doesn't seem laggy to me

Calm down dude!
HTC learned the hard lesson of Sensation/sgs2.
They losed 3 months of potential buyers (and that made the whole difference in sales volume) because they locked the bootloader.
sgs2 won because it was unlocked and rooted easily.
The HTC One X is already rooted thanks to Modaco, so no need to worry at all, also Mike did a custom rom already,there are many Sensation devs switching to One X...

Another pro argument might be that this will be a real flagship device. As we all know, htc released much too many phones in 2011 (close to 50 I heard in an xda-tv episode ) and they realized the problems that come with such an approach.
The vivid or the rezound might just have been skipped by most devs, some of the better are even still on the 2 year old HD2.
I really hope that this will be the next HD2, it's got all the potential to be the next best phone ever.

I believe that HTC are changing and learning. If you see the communications between them and XDA over the last year, if you see the HTCDev site, if you see the list of ICS updates, if you see the API's they are releasing, etc.
If you look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCXgL7MDsIc Jeff clearly says it will be unlocked.
Also I agree with their reasoning for locking the boot loader, and as long as they release the unlock tool I think its a good process to ensure only those who know and accept the consequences will use it.
PS. Also the HTC One X is not tied to a partner so it should give HTC full control of what they do with it. Were as the HTC One XL is tied to AT&T so it may mean for that device its more complicated a process to get AT&T to agree to unlock the boot loader.

The "One" series must have been made for something, didn't they say they are trying to make their phones more recognisable too? In that case, it makes perfect sense to not release 50 phones a year (or one every week), as that really tarnishes the brand

i've never unlocked a phone on htcdev, but it has a generic unlock option.
you have to submit an identifier token you can query with fastboot, and you are getting a unlock binary sent by email which you can flash with fastboot to unlock the phone. if the hboot of the phone supports this.
seems very generic to me, and i guess you can already unlock a htc-one device using this method

Edit: Ops! I am wrong... please see later posts! Sorry blubbers!

vegetaleb said:
Calm down dude!
HTC learned the hard lesson of Sensation/sgs2.
They losed 3 months of potential buyers (and that made the whole difference in sales volume) because they locked the bootloader.
sgs2 won because it was unlocked and rooted easily.
The HTC One X is already rooted thanks to Modaco, so no need to worry at all, also Mike did a custom rom already,there are many Sensation devs switching to One X...
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A custom rom means nothing. Did you even read the article or my post?? It says you still need s off or bootloader unlock for permanent root. Modaco only found temp root.
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[Q] Is any1 working to get S-OFF on HOX

Hi every1 , is anyone working to get S-OFF on Hox ,if so what's the progress because i can't find any info about it.
I've heard that some people are working "behind the scene" and they doing well but unfortunately they don't want to share anything with us .
Also i've heard that some of the best developers just give up with that issue ,one of them said that it's impossible to get S-OFF on HOX and that makes me said because i've had a choice between HOX and SGS 3 and i choose HOX and i love that phone .I just get mad when i'm thinking of S-oFF crap.I would love to have my phone OPEN 100% and do with it whatever i want.
Why HTC doesn't give a **** abouot us customers?? Damn HOX is very expensive phone and suppose to be like Samsung phone OPEN that's major reason why i didn't buy apple or other crap.

budensik said:
Hi every1 , is anyone working to get S-OFF on Hox ,if so what's the progress because i can't find any info about it.
I've heard that some people are working "behind the scene" and they doing well but unfortunately they don't want to share anything with us .
Also i've heard that some of the best developers just give up with that issue ,one of them said that it's impossible to get S-OFF on HOX and that makes me said because i've had a choice between HOX and SGS 3 and i choose HOX and i love that phone .I just get mad when i'm thinking of S-oFF crap.I would love to have my phone OPEN 100% and do with it whatever i want.
Why HTC doesn't give a **** abouot us customers?? Damn HOX is very expensive phone and suppose to be like Samsung phone OPEN that's major reason why i didn't buy apple or other crap.
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Just look further down the pages all the S OFF threads are there

Basically. There is no mass S OFF ready now or next week at least.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

Lol..no need to bash HTC mate..I also disappointed about S-OFF but because we have bought the product, we have to go on with it..
Now we have to rely on those active devs and members out there that actively developing ways to achieve S-OFF..

Well.
It is possible to s-off hox. Behind the scene mine hox has been made s-off.
They are looking for a solution to S-OFF the HOX without any use of a xtc-clip, OTG-cable with a specific java/gold-card. But just unlocking like revoked on HTC Desire. (Also first goldcard, after a while you could s-off through a software).
Try to get your hands on one of those cards... Like mission impossible...Or you have to pay the jackpot to someone who has it...
YES it is possible.. But be patient.

Finally You gave me some hope because i was thinking about selling my HOX but i really prefer to own a HOX than SGS 3 ,about others phones i don't give a sh..
Where i can find an instruction how to S-OFF using xtc-clip, OTG-cable with a specific java/gold-card ?
Or where i could find somebody who will do this for me and my hox??

budensik said:
Finally You gave me some hope because i was thinking about selling my HOX but i really prefer to own a HOX than SGS 3 ,about others phones i don't give a sh..
Where i can find an instruction how to S-OFF using xtc-clip, OTG-cable with a specific java/gold-card ?
Or where i could find somebody who will do this for me and my hox??
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I have to dissapoint you my friend. It is not that easy. I gave mine for testing purpose. The big guys said that you can't S-OFF a device that has a custom rom. Well guess what. You can... But this also could ended wrong for me.
To make things clear now. There isn't any guides how to achieve now to S-OFF your hox. Like I said, you have to pay the "jackpot" price to get a XTC-clip. I don't even know if this fully works. Also the same as java/gold-card. First try to buy an java/gold card that is decrypted as hell and designed to do real HTC Engineering stuff with your HOX. Every gold/java-card is different. If this was so easy, wouldn't there be a long time ago hundredthousands of copies of those contens on the "world wide web".
Think about it. If everything was so easy, than anybody could S-OFF every HOX right now