I want to intentionally disable the phone from making any phone calls. I'm running cm7.1 on my evo and I want it to be like a dedicated mp3 player with android market access.
I don't want to use airplane mode; I'm looking for a more permanent solution that can't be easily toggled.
I tried freezing com.android.phone and the dialer storage with titanium backup, but then market compatibility broke. Market returned server error.
Possible fixes (that I've thought of) :
Disabling radio driver?
Tricking market to not depend on phone?
Some phone or cm setting I'm missing?
Permanent airplane mode that still doesn't bug out wifi?
I know on cm builds of tablets (nook color and gtab) know that its a tablet and not a phone, and doesn't come with a phone option. Short of compiling my own build of cm7 (which if it's easy enough ill do), is there a way to trick cm7 into thinking it's a tablet?
I don't want to use airplane mode; I'm looking for a more permanent solution that can't be easily toggled.
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Airplane mode is the only way. Once you turn it on, it's really not easy to turn it back off, you have to go to settings-wireless and networks.
sitlet said:
Airplane mode is the only way. Once you turn it on, it's really not easy to turn it back off, you have to go to settings-wireless and networks.
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Is there a way to set it and remove the option?
I know on Ubuntu Linux, specifically grub bootloader, and each of the options were available to edit on a conf file. I edited mine on my computer and added and deleted lines on mine. Does the android setting rely on a similar conf file?
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remove the dialer, go to airplane mode. Done.
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remove the dialer, go to airplane mode. Done.
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As I said in my first post, that breaks market.
Please read before posting, isn't that a forum rule?
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I am using tapatalk app and it won't show me all my subscribed threads, but I'm pretty sure in general a guy made a thread about how he did it for an EVO he gave to his daughter or something, it listed what you needed to remove. Sorry I realize that's not too helpful, but I will check back here tomorrow and if you didn't find it, I'll post a link.
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I found it, see if this works for you. The op says market works.
I did notice the guy had to use a sense rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1357128
Boo
LyndenP said:
I found it, see if this works for you. The op says market works.
I did notice the guy had to use a sense rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1357128
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i don't want to use a sense rom, but i'll give it a shot. i'll report back in a sec. thank you very much for the fast reply!
EDIT: after reading the thread, i kinda don't want to rock sense. that thread isn't applicable is it? i'll try forking around with my cm7.1.zip and see if i can get similar results.
FFS, if you're the one that's gonna be using it, then just don't make calls. You can always toggle Airplane mode off, btw, to use the market.
Just flash amon ra and r2r going green, its sense 3.0 very stable & clean. It's got a built in option to turn off radio
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Two posts above completely missed the point.
A) IM NOT LOOKING FOR AIRPLANE MODE SETTING UNDER WIRELESS AND NETWORKS.
B) IM NOT USING SENSE. JUST NO.
c) what I am looking for is a configuration file, and if you've never edited grub or Apache etc, you'll never understand what I mean. I haven't tried the apk removal yet, but I will in a sec
Thanks for your help pointing to the apk removal thread, but I'm hoping for real developer suppot here
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Two posts above completely missed the point.
A) IM NOT LOOKING FOR AIRPLANE MODE SETTING UNDER WIRELESS AND NETWORKS.
B) IM NOT USING SENSE. JUST NO.
c) what I am looking for is a configuration file, and if you've never edited grub or Apache etc, you'll never understand what I mean. I haven't tried the apk removal yet, but I will in a sec
Thanks for your help pointing to the apk removal thread, but I'm hoping for real developer suppot here
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Goodluck finding dev help. They are few and far between for the EVO anymore. I suggest downloading the Android sdk, finding some threads on here and other forums and learning it yourself. Biting the hand that feeds isn't going to help.
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solved. Procedure:
1 Flash cm7 and gapps.
2 Let all the gapps install and update in the background.
3 Install titanium backup from newest updated market.
4 Make backup of dialer and dialer storage (com.android.phone and com.android.telephony)
5 Uninstall phone, and battery pull when it force close loops
6 Uninstall dialer storage after the reboot finishes
7 Wifi should still work the market!
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I want to be able to turn off the Radio only so that when I'm Wire-Tethered to my PC and playing a game I don't get any calls or texts to slow down my connection or be disturbed.
I found a thread in general where someone advised using tasker but it's $6 and I just want to be able to disable radio only. Airplane mode kills everything.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
There has to be a way...
There might be a way to do it via dial pad commands. I know that I was able to do this on a Droid in the past. I'm looking into, but make no promises.
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Ok, this is what I've come up with.
*#INFO*1111# - Testing mode
Go into Phone Info...
Scroll down to Set preferred network type:
CDMA only
This should make it so the only cellular connection would be a data connection.
For my phone WCDMA Preferred is the default, which should be what you want to go back to to allow phone calls again.
Let me know if that works for you?
There's an app I used when I was on Eclair called Widgetsoid. It was the ability to toggle pretty much anything u can think of on your phone. I havent installed it since upgrading to Froyo so I can't verify that it can do what you need but its free and probably worth the download in any case. Check it out and let me know.
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There's an app I used when I was on Eclair called Widgetsoid. It was the ability to toggle pretty much anything u can think of on your phone. I havent installed it since upgrading to Froyo so I can't verify that it can do what you need but its free and probably worth the download in any case. Check it out and let me know.
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details of what this app can do are on the developer's website:
http://jaumard.android.free.fr/widgetsoid/
Doesn't list being able to disable text/voice while keeping data alive.
Thanks guys I'll check out both of those!
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details of what this app can do are on the developer's website:
http://jaumard.android.free.fr/widgetsoid/
Doesn't list being able to disable text/voice while keeping data alive.
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No it doesn't but I tried it anyway and found that no, it really doesn't. Thanks for trying though. I'm having a brainfart on typing letters into the dialer... how is that done again?
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Just goto the phone dialer and type in those exact *,# and numbers (info is 4636)
once you put in the last # it will take you to the "testing" menu.
Let me know how it goes.
OK, I see it... will let you know how it works... Also, aren't our phones supposed to be set to CDMA? It had unknown and now it shows WCDMA. Isn't this the cause of the TWS bug?
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Just goto the phone dialer and type in those exact *,# and numbers (info is 4636)
once you put in the last # it will take you to the "testing" menu.
Let me know how it goes.
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It works great... Thanks!
Happy to help. I'm not sure exactly why it starts with WCDMA and then goes to unknown, haven't really looked into it too much.
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OK, I see it... will let you know how it works... Also, aren't our phones supposed to be set to CDMA? It had unknown and now it shows WCDMA. Isn't this the cause of the TWS bug?
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It is the cause of the TWS bug. Our phones are constantly searching for a gsm signal never to be found. Causing battery drain. It has to do with the Galaxy S i9000 being gsm and samsungs poor ability to make changes to the coding.
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This actually assisted in correcting or at least varifying another problem's solution. I've seen forum discussions point to PRL updates solving the TWS issue but other say it doesn't. However I installed sprintzone and let it install the PRL for my area. In doing so it set the default radio search shown using steve's info trick shown above. And no more TWS after reboots.
Woohoo!
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So my wife was on her Evo when suddenly the browser opened and started downloading something called DroidSpeedUpgrade.apk. The website I traced and it gave me a forbidden 403 from my PC, but did allow me a DL of the apk from phone. I did not install, look at the crazy permissions! Any idea what this is, or how it opened on my wifes Evo (cm7)?
Thanks
Below is the APK, I wouldnt install it, screen shot is the permissions...
I would backup all apps [except that], then do a fresh re-install of CM7.
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I would backup all apps [except that], then do a fresh re-install of CM7.
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I would question if there's already a malware app on the phone if the browser automatically opened to that page.
Check through unfamiliar apps and the permissions associated with them.
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I would question if there's already a malware app on the phone if the browser automatically opened to that page.
Check through unfamiliar apps and the permissions associated with them.
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That too is true, but hoping he did that already. Though either way, I firmly believe she should do a clean install again; at least go through the last 10 apps she installed, and like said, check the permissions.
If I were to wipe fully with a clean install of a rom, and not log in to Google or restore anything, what damage do you think this could do if I installed it out of curiosity?
I know it could get my phone number, info and whatnot. That alone would probably keep me from doing it... but what's the worst that you think it could do?
If I had an unactivated Android phone then I might do it.
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If I were to wipe fully with a clean install of a rom, and not log in to Google or restore anything, what damage do you think this could do if I installed it out of curiosity?
I know it could get my phone number, info and whatnot. That alone would probably keep me from doing it... but what's the worst that you think it could do?
If I had an unactivated Android phone then I might do it.
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Your curiosity is like mine, I am tempted to just install it, lol. See if the app can be found in app drawer or what, if I can do anything with it, and so on. My wife doesnt have any credit card junk stored on phone, but has a bank app, so that is all bad by itself! Wait, Amazon Market has credit card linked to it, so in theory they can get password and get credit card info from Amazon. On top of bank passwords, all bad! Maybe I am being paranoid, but this rouge apk seems to have to many permissions for it to just install like that.
I have a unactivated LG Optimus S here, I will install it on that and report my findings
edit...INSTALLED!!!
OK, it is just a Task Manager, on the outside that is. What it does is mask itself as a battery saver/task killer. Meanwhile it sends and recieves text messages that cost YOU $9.99 each! Says a minimum of one per week will be sent and or received. If works with either Sprint or Tmobile, according with terms and conditions, which are carefully hidden. For the average user its gonna fool them, the app by itself would not be so bad so one would think they got a awesome app. Meanwhile your Sprint bill is racking up $9.99 texts, I guess you can get them reversed by sprint. But if you have autopay set up it may take a bit to realize you bill payment was a couple hunderd over normal cost Just be on the lookout, the app may do more than what I found, I only scratched the surface of it.
Just create a nandroid backup, turn off your mobile network, install see what it is, then flash back
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Just create a nandroid backup, turn off your mobile network, install see what it is, then flash back
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see post above yours, i installed it. its all bad for anyone who does get fooled into installing this on a activated phone
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see post above yours, i installed it. its all bad for anyone who does get fooled into installing this on a activated phone
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That blows, good catch
Will it do that to my phone if I turn off all data and place it on airplane mode then install, Check it out then uninstall it then turn airplane mode off.
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Will it do that to my phone if I turn off all data and place it on airplane mode then install, Check it out then uninstall it then turn airplane mode off.
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it's best not to find out with something like this
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Will it do that to my phone if I turn off all data and place it on airplane mode then install, Check it out then uninstall it then turn airplane mode off.
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It has permission to change your settings, so it could turn data back on. It can also read your phone information - phone number and such - so if it can send this information out then it can definitely do damage.
I wouldn't try it.
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It also gives the user magic powers and allows the user to live forever. THIS is a must install. LMAO! However, I WOULD PERSONALLY *that is if I had time to do this* DECOMPILE THIS CRAP AND SEE WHO THE HELL MADE IT AND WHERE IT IS SENDING OUR INFORMATION TO. then, I would track the person down. and put a bullet in their head or heads. I don't play games with identity theft. oh and we all know the two places they are likely from. either china or Africa. Well, in Africa... I firmly believe most of them should all be put into a grave. :-D
Does this make me a bad person? nope... it sure doesn't. I'm protecting americans. Actually. the government does this on a daily basis. They murder hundreds of people over seas for oil. :-D We gotta have our oil. :-D lmao If they come over here, they are terrorists. If we go over there, we are terrorists. :-D as I just went way off subject...
okay okay. don't install it. final. and why would you install something that you know for a fact is a phone virus? How stupid is that? We need a platform that can tests apks OUT OF A REAL phone environment. like a virtual mobile computer like vmware.
okay, I'm done. bedtime!
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the government does this on a daily basis. They murder hundreds of people over seas for oil. :-D We gotta have our oil. :-D lmao If they come over here, they are terrorists. If we go over there, we are terrorists.
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wow really?
good lord... i haven been uninstalling this on my customers phones for 2 weeks now... anyone, get a full decompile on it?
I take no credit for this guide. i found it on the nexus s 4g dev section.
Master Ramy is the O.P.
so any shout out, fist bumps, high 5's, hitting of the THANKS button- make sure to send them his way.
im always going to remote areas with no service. its always really crappy when gps fails and i have to pull out the fishing, hunting, atv map out from behind the seat.
this isnt going to fix all my navigation issues, but it should help.
i hope many of you find this useful. i havent tried this yet but it suppose to work with all androids.
link to the original post: http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1683366
below is a copy/paste from the link above (just trying to spread the love)
[GUIDE] GPS without Data signal!! Works on tablets too!
credits to Coycane, he showed it to me, I'm just giving you the guide.
I use it on my Xoom with great results, so I can follow the car the whole way without needing internet as long as I open maps when on internet.
The way it works is simple; a Garmin GPS unit doesn't require internet to get you places, so why would your phones GPS? In reality, it doesnt.; the GPS hip can b programmed to communicate independently with the satellite, allowing you to be more Mobil without needing Internet!
But maps needs internet to start, so what I do is open maps, get my directions so they're on map, then I can turn off internet and the GPS lock will stay and follow me.
Its very simple; starts out the same way you'd do a prl hack;
1. Get your MSL number. Do this by getting an app from the market called terminal emulator. type in: su (hit enter) getprop ril.MSL (caps sensitive, then hit enter) your MSL will be there. It will be a 6 digit code. Write this down for later!
2. Install drivers for your device on your computer. Look up a Youtube tutorial on how to do this. It was the hardest part for me.
3. Download QPST. Link is below. On your computer, extract the QPST file, open it up, and double click on setup. Go through the installation process.
If you want to make a nandroid, tho it probably won't backup this section and I doubt ull have issues anyway, now would be the time to back up.
4. Go back to the phone and open up the dialer. Enter this: *#*#8778#*#*
5. On the menu that pops up there will be a section labeled "USB". Change it from PDA to "Modem"
6. Back to the computer. Hit the start menu and open up device manager. Double click on "ports" and you should see your device there. at the end it will look like this: (COM#). Write down the number at the end of the COM.
7. Hit the start and search for QPST and open it.
8. Now go to "start clients" and hit "SERVICE PROGRAMMING". It will ask what port you will be modifying, just click your device and hit ok.
9. there will be these tabs with CDMA, CDMA-2, ESN, etc. Click on the one that said "GPS or GpsOne". On the left check all boxes, usually phone has only 1 checked. REMEMBER what ur phone originally had checked in case you need to go back.
10. Finally, hit "write to phone". The phone should reboot, and you're done!
11. Once it boots up, go back to the dialer and enter the *#*#8778#*#* code again. Change it back from modem to PDA and you are done!
QPST: http://www.x-drivers.com/catalog/fla...pst/12051.html
Make sense? And no, this hack is not dependent on any particular phone or tablet, should work on all androids; worked on my Xoom perfectly. Try it and best of luck!
Let me know if u have any questions or need any help. I've found it extremely useful on my wifi only Xoom because I can always know where I am without having to tether from phone first
Enjoy,
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Just a quick question, does this stick through rom changes or does this need to be applied every time a new rom is flashed? And thanks for bringing this here!
I read Nexus trd as Nexus Terd.
That is all.
Flashable zip to do this?
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Flashable zip to do this?
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No.
using 2.7 is that right?
found 2.7 typing in qpsd in site's searchbox, is it the right one?
Didn't work on Juggs 5.0 I don't get anything back from Terminal Emulator.
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If my phone is unlocked, I don't think we need MSL right? However, how did you get the *#*#8778#*#* to work? I tried it with cm9 but it wouldn't do anything. Thanks for the help.
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Didn't work on Juggs 5.0 I don't get anything back from Terminal Emulator.
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Darkside TLLE4 v1 here and nothing from getprop either...
I've already been able to get gps without data
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Since gingerbread
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I've already been able to get gps without data
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How?
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Just been updating agps and using gps applications to maintain
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I've lost data and not GPS before without doing this. Won't reroute tho. Portable GPS devices have maps loaded in them, that's why they don't need internet. You can download maps on your phone or pre cache maps of where you are going..
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If my phone is unlocked, I don't think we need MSL right? However, how did you get the *#*#8778#*#* to work? I tried it with cm9 but it wouldn't do anything. Thanks for the help.
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I am also having a problem getting the hidden menu to pop up. Since ICS it wont work. And I tried to go back to stock ICS and it still wont work. Does anyone have a fix for this?
doesnt google maps already do offline mode? and im pretty sure you can use gps with data off or else there wouldnt be a point in having offline maps, but im not 100% just a though
yeah google maps have an offline mode if you saved the map of whatever location you wanted beforehand. But, i'm not sure whats the purpose of this mod because GPS works without DATA already... so maybe its for preloaded maps? I got lost reading the OP and decided to breeze through the comments but that didn't really clear things up lol.
My GPS does not work without data...
Going to give this a try
Some other benefits of GPS working without DATA being on is using the phone as a golf gps. Battery drains pretty quick over the 4-5 hour period and not having DATA on could save a lot of battery. I tried using a golf app without data and it didn't work or maybe it was just the app.
I am unable to get the MSL # on both my TouchPad and GS2, I know others are having this problem as well. Has anyone found the reason and a solution? Thanks in advance.
Does this happen to anyone else? Quite often if I've been using the N2 in my home, when I go out and about my phone will not be connected to mobile data (3G) and I have to toggle airplane mode for it to kick in?
tameracingdriver said:
Does this happen to anyone else? Quite often if I've been using the N2 in my home, when I go out and about my phone will not be connected to mobile data (3G) and I have to toggle airplane mode for it to kick in?
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Not had this myself, sounds like the cellular connection is going to sleep and not waking when your note 2 polls for a connection. Are you on a stock rom or a custom, can you post your android version number as well, will help anyone else who posts who may have more information for you.
If your rooted you could try pulling a log at the time you switch connections see if that yields any useful data.
Same here on a german device. I use manually select the Provider. Then it connect. Thank you for the tip with the airplane mode. But I search a way to kick this big. In a german forum a member says that a Fullwipe helps.
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Its a stock rooted ROM version JRO03C.N7100XXALJ1
Can anyone tell me what to look for in order to create a log? (I don't expect a tutorial just someone point me in the right direction).
The problem is intermittent.
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Its a stock rooted ROM version JRO03C.N7100XXALJ1
Can anyone tell me what to look for in order to create a log? (I don't expect a tutorial just someone point me in the right direction).
The problem is intermittent.
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Give this a go, should allow you to create a log during the time you have the problem then you can see what android is or is not doing at the time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726238
Not something I have had myself but my gf has this same problem with her gs3. After having a look around our seems to be fairly common on the gs3 so any help with a fix would be great. I can only assume that it's something that will be fixed with a fw update from Samsung.
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I have the same issue and so does my girlfriend on her SIII.. Can be really annoying as I might leave somewhere with wifi connectivity expecting the phone to automatically connect to 3g and I miss things like whatsapp messages with no warning :/
When I realise I do use the flight mode trick to fix it but it's annoying that it happens.
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androidizen said:
Give this a go, should allow you to create a log during the time you have the problem then you can see what android is or is not doing at the time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726238
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I've got Catlog now, next time it happens I'll open it up. Its behaved today mind.
I'd love to help but those l logging apps require root access on jellybean and I'm not rooted
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Hi,
Mine has thuis issue too. Hope new firmware csn solve it.
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I'm really not a noob, but for the life of me, I can't find the sprint hotspot app on my phone. I've never used it before, but signed up for the wifi hotspot feature. Saw in settings wireless how to activate sharing via usb or bluetooth, but for the life of me, I can't find this app to share data over wifi. Am I missing something?
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I'm really not a noob, but for the life of me, I can't find the sprint hotspot app on my phone. I've never used it before, but signed up for the wifi hotspot feature. Saw in settings wireless how to activate sharing via usb or bluetooth, but for the life of me, I can't find this app to share data over wifi. Am I missing something?
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R u in a stock or custom?:what:
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I'm on stock, not rooted. Didn't feel the need to root this phone. That's why I'm stumped not to find it. It's not a hidden app nor has it been disabled in the app manager.
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I'm on stock, not rooted. Didn't feel the need to root this phone. That's why I'm stumped not to find it. It's not a hidden app nor has it been disabled in the app manager.
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Since u r not rooted ...try 2go deeper by using app like astro file manager...and look ur folders in system...bla, bla, bla..and then look for that app...should be there (try 2 re-install):sly:
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I found it by doing a google search. It's there, but I can't find it in my app drawer nor can I add it to one of my home screens. Really weird. It works though when I do find it via google search and then turn it on. Still very weird. Thx
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I found it by doing a google search. It's there, but I can't find it in my app drawer nor can I add it to one of my home screens. Really weird. It works though when I do find it via google search and then turn it on. Still very weird. Thx
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that's weird bra'...last choice ..save all ur info ..as pics, music and more 2ur pc...and do a factory reset...
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Very weird, but holding off doing a factory reset. It takes me days to get my phone back in order after a reset and I have a business trip starting on Friday.
root
rsbenedict said:
I'm really not a noob, but for the life of me, I can't find the sprint hotspot app on my phone. I've never used it before, but signed up for the wifi hotspot feature. Saw in settings wireless how to activate sharing via usb or bluetooth, but for the life of me, I can't find this app to share data over wifi. Am I missing something?
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Just a suggestion but if you root your phone which is not very difficult you can get wifi hotspot for free. I dont understand why we should pay for something that already comes with our phones.
I know I can, but I've rooted previous phones--HTC Hero and the Samsung Epic 4G. I had many issues with the Epic 4G after root that I didn't have before rooting. I like to play with the phones, but I don't like things going wrong. I don't have as much time to tinker with them to get them to work right. I could spend a whole weekend doing nothing but root and reflash different roms. Was fun, but a time suck!