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Seeing an iPhone 4 of a friends the other day next to his 3g was quite funny. The so called amazing resolution screen just looked brighter, more colourful and a tiny bit sharper.
It's funny, before I got my Desire I had an iPhone 3g and I was amazed by it once it got updated to 3.0 firmware. Once jailbroke I could customize the way it looked immensely which is something that a lot of people who use these forums say you can't do. Anyway, my contract was up and being impatient I couldn't hold on for the iPhone 4.0. I'll be honest, I really wanted it but a release date wasn't announced. So I went for the Desire. First thoughts we're, great phone, brilliant screen, very fast, widgets are pretty cool, easy to use, coming from iPhone. Then after a few weeks of enjoying it, the iPhone 4 release date was announced. Then I wanted an iPhone again it looked amazing, all the hype was mental. But I just signed a new contract so there was no way of me getting one. My friend had ordered one and it arrived the other day at work. I didn't get to use it but from what I saw, its not much different visually (display) from the iPhone 3g and its practically the same as the 3g, apart from the cameras,speed,multitasking and obviously a few more things.
So basically what I'm trying to say is. It's no way near as good as the Desire, to use and to look at as far as I'm concerned. Seriously the Desire is a way better phone. The camera doesn't matter its good enough and multitasking on the iPhone is just the worst thing I've ever seen its really poor just the way it actually works. It's terrible.
Not much of a review but just something to stop the arguing and give advice when deciding what phone you want. That's if your choosing out of these two.
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I typed this in landscape on my desire with no problems at all. :
Bloke at work brought his new iPhone in and how we laughed as I got him to 'hold' it and the signal strength went down and then dropped.
Android FTW
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Bloke at work brought his new iPhone in and how we laughed as I got him to 'hold' it and the signal strength went down and then dropped.
Android FTW
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Yeah, I heard about that as wyell. its something to do with the metal surrounding on the iPhone is the antenna. Haha. Unfortunately my Desire doesn't have a metal surrounding.
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Just been playing with my dads iphone 4 , and laughed at apples version of multitasking!
Played angry birds, then went into calender and back again, to see the game started all again!
So i just had to do it with another game on my phone, to show how proper multi tasking works! Straight back into the game where i left off !
Have a laugh.....a good one
Link: http://vimeo.com/12858526
Haha! brilliant!
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LOL
Fanboyism aside, the iPhone 4 does bring some awesome things to the table, like an amazing camera & camcorder and.. well, that's it. Still, it beats any Android smartphone in that department, hands down.
This chap claims not to have noticed the signal drop whilst he is making calls......
a phone primary function is to make calls ... got to hold your iphone4 in the right way so that you can make calls ... now that is another revolution to the mobile industry
Well, actually, for pictures, the Desire's camera is just as good. Yeah Apple wants to make you believe they have something special, but they really don't. It's just a 5 megapixel camera like everyone else uses (except for the 8 megapixel ones in some other Androids).
I've looked at lots and lots of pictures of both phones, including direct comparison shots, and the Desire's camera is actually the exact same (for pictures, not video).
The software handles some things differently, like the sharpening (I recommend everyone to set sharpness to +1 on the Desire), the pictures look a bit less washed but also lack more detail. But those are just small differences caused by different software and the iPhone certainly doesn't do it better (just a bit differently).
What I actually wanted to say, I HATE when Apple gets credit for doing what others have done for years, like 5 megapixel cameras and video calling. And most of the time, they're not even doing it better and often they're doing it worse (like multitasking or that antenna design, which has been invented by HTC and actually works with HTC phones, without dropping calls).
I got my first android phone yesterday, the Desire and damn it's smooth. I always heard that iPhone apparently has the better keyboard, but the Desire blows my iPod touch away.
I love it and have done nothing but geek my phone today, hail HTC!!
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I got my first android phone yesterday, the Desire and damn it's smooth. I always heard that iPhone apparently has the better keyboard, but the Desire blows my iPod touch away.
I love it and have done nothing but geek my phone today, hail HTC!!
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Welcome to the world of Android Elf... it's a great place to live
I don't want to be a jerk or attack anyone, but there is some stuff in this thread that I just need to comment on.
I am surrounded by relatively smart people. Many psychologists also. What the original poster is doing is the following: you don't want to feel bad about your purchase (the Desire) so you blindly attack the iPhone 4. I am NOT saying the HTC Desire is bad. But I am pretty sure that what you are doing here is trying to make fun of the iPhone 4 to make yourself feel better about the Desire.
I did this as well. I bought the HTC HD2 just before the Nexus One was announced and I was like: 'aaah... the HD2 is much better. That Android is almost the same as WM. Aaah.. I don't need amoled screens..' etc. All just to hide the fact that I maybe should have waited an bought the Nexus One.
Anyway, what you are saying is not true. The iPhone 4 is pretty good. In fact, if I could trade my HTC Desire for a iPhone 4 I would do it. And I absolutely love the Desire. But I don't fool myself, I know that the iPhone 4 is better. Let me just give you a few examples:
Appstore. Biggest and best on the iPhone. Facebook is the best on the iPhone. Shazam is the best on the iPhone. Every app is usually the best on the iPhone. Developers see the iPhone as their number one, which is very important.
Games. I choose to wright a separate part about this even though it could have fitted with Appstore. You want games on your phone? Then iPhone 4 is without doubt the BEST choice. Highest resolution display + A4 chip (1GHz) + Gyroscope (or whatever that is called. Check out what the Gyroscope does.. its very nice for games). And off course the best titles. The Android Market fails in the games category compared to the Apple Appstore.
Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It's only 5 megapixels, but it takes very good pictures. And the HD recording is again, the best out there. At a smooth 30fps with great adios quality its top notch. With iMovie you can even edit all that stuff on your iPhone..
Build quality. Even though I have not held the new iPhone myself, every review goes the same. The build quality is unbelievable. It will make almost any smartphone to date feel cheap. And I can understand that.. it just looks and feels amazing. At 9.3mm thin it's just a very good looking phone.
Facetime. Now I suddenly realised something a few days ago. This may sound dramatic but try to take it seriously. Apple is helping humankind to the next step. Why? Soon many, many people (normal people, kids, grandparents, mothers, everybody) will go from voice calling to video calling. And yes its because of the iPhone 4. They just make it easy to use and it works well. Try to be totally honest with yourself and think about this. It's true. Videocalling may have existed, but it was crap. That's why it never reached the mainstream.
Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks.
So.. I know it is hard but try to be honest regarding these things. Yes I have a Desire myself and no I won't be able to buy that new iPhone for at least a year (and by then, the next one should come out). But I am honest regarding those things.
Oh, and the dude trying to attack the iPhone on the 'bad multitasking'. Angry birds (one of my favorite games ever! ) has probably not been updated to multitasking yet. Remember, the developers must update their apps to work. So again, its a bad argument against the iPhone. Though I won't disagree with the fact that if you want the ultimate multitasking, you are better off with the Desire.
Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
Come on...
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I don't want to be a jerk or attack anyone, but there is some stuff in this thread that I just need to comment on.
I am surrounded by relatively smart people. Many psychologists also. What the original poster is doing is the following: you don't want to feel bad about your purchase (the Desire) so you blindly attack the iPhone 4. I am NOT saying the HTC Desire is bad. But I am pretty sure that what you are doing here is trying to make fun of the iPhone 4 to make yourself feel better about the Desire.
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Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
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Now I have not posted in this thread, but really.. Come on...
Why do you think that the people you surround yourself with, describes or adds something to you or your arguments? In this case, I could claim that you could be inside a mental asylum (for being surrounded with psychologists) .
But seriously, "blindly attack"? Where have you been? Its been proved on many iPhones that you can't even hold the iPhone 4 properly without losing your network-connection. The multi-tasking is horrible according to reviewers and other people that tested it. And Steve Jobs email is frakking horrific, but not unexpected.
Since when is this blind attacks? Sure the phone-build, camera, and some software is great, but still no other device would be spared ridicule if the errors is as great as the iPhone 4's. It will be scrutinized and by all means, it deserves the ridicule it to this point have (not)received, lol.
UPDATE: Just for the lolz http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4...-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band?skyline=true&s=i
Best camera on any phone???
U must be smoking something there ha ha ha
Have you even seen pix from some of the 8MP camera fones out there, not to mention 12MP fones around the corner.
Yes Apple have more apps then Android, that dont mean they all better.
Games are the ONLY advantage apple has.
The build quality may also be good BUT whats the point when the main function of a MOBILE PHONE which is to make phone calls goes away when you hold your phone a certain way.
I mean come on, your paying £500 for your IPhone 4, you should not be TOLD how to hold it in order to make phone calls. You should be able to hold it how u like and still not loose signal like all other phones out there.
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Anyway, what you are saying is not true. The iPhone 4 is pretty good.
Appstore. How long has iPhone appstore been.out compared to android market?
Games. Correct games are better on iphone 4 but a couple hours of gaming and bye bye battery. That's why they made the ps3. And there isn't a noticeable difference in display quality against the Desire I've looked at both together and there equally as good, what ever it says on paper.
Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It seriously isn't one of the best. Picture quality is same as Desire if not a tiny bit better. You win on video recording but I think in future the Desire will perform the same after an update. I'm sure with the hardware its got it can eventually record at 720p 30fps. You'll see.
Build quality. I agree apple always have an excellent build quality and that's where you're wallet gets emptied.
Facetime. Trust me your not gonna use this. U might at first but eventually you wont. I mean come on how gay is video calling. Hearing a voice is suffice.
Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks. Wrong my friend's last about the same as desire according to him. He has both phones.
So.. I know it is hard but try to be honest regarding these things. Yes I have a Desire myself and no I won't be able to buy that new iPhone for at least a year (and by then, the next one should come out). But I am honest regarding those things.
"I can't believe you're arguing when it sounds like u haven't even used the iphone 4."
Oh, and the dude trying to attack the iPhone on the 'bad multitasking'. I won't disagree with the fact that if you want the ultimate multitasking, you are better off with the Desire
"That makes more sense"
Conclusion: Stop sticking up for apple when you haven't even used an iphone 4. I have and it is certainly not overall better.
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"Be a grown up" gayest insult of the year award.
I wont quote you one the beginning, I would only say that is not true (that we say Desire is better because we bought it).
I didn't get Desire on contract, I paid it in cash. That means I had the money to buy any phone I like (overall anyone, when we take the fact that I paid for the Desire 500 euro). I knew exactly why I want the Desire. I knew it's features, it's positive and negative sides. I liked the look of Sense (instead of jailbreaking my phone just so I can change my wallpaper, this happen in previous models of iPhone), I liked the OS and it's openness, and I liked it's look. In fact, I liked everything about Desire, and I think that this will be the phone I will have for longest (in case it doesn't break). I know this because with my previous phones, I lost the will to play with them after 3-4 days after purchase. With the Desire is completely different: my work is suffering because I keep doing something on it all the time, and I have it for 3 weeks
I mean, there are so many thing to do with it, sky is the limit (and the knowledge of members here, which I believe is wide and big as the sky).
Anyway, lets go back to some points you made with which I completely disagree (okay, my whole post is disagreement with yours, but still )
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Appstore. Biggest and best on the iPhone. Facebook is the best on the iPhone. Shazam is the best on the iPhone. Every app is usually the best on the iPhone. Developers see the iPhone as their number one, which is very important.
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That CAN (and will, I guess) change. On the Google IO, google announced 50.000 apps on the market. When was that, a month ago? Today there are over 65.000. That is 15.000 apps in a month. At this rate, there will be 150.000 more apps in the Market in the next 10 months.
But, I hope and expect this rate to change when I'll take in mind how fast people (developers) are turning toward Android.
Don't make me start at the attitude of Apple toward developers.
By the way, developers develop for public. If there are users of Android more then of iOS, they will start developing for Android. Sc**w that fine program if nobody uses it. So their primary motive to do something is "how many people will use their app?".
Apple has more apps, but I bet that will change. In 2 years, there were 50.000 apps in the market. BUT, in just 1 month, there were 15.000 more. Just one month, read that carefully. That shows to me that something is drastically changing.
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Games. I choose to wright a separate part about this even though it could have fitted with Appstore. You want games on your phone? Then iPhone 4 is without doubt the BEST choice. Highest resolution display + A4 chip (1GHz) + Gyroscope (or whatever that is called. Check out what the Gyroscope does.. its very nice for games). And off course the best titles. The Android Market fails in the games category compared to the Apple Appstore.
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My same reply from above goes to the games. I will only add something here: At CPU side they may be the same (although there are comments that apple have underclocked the iPhone CPU at something like 700MHz... and we have OVERclocked ours at 1.2GHz ).
Concerning the resolution... it's not that of a big deal. The screen is smaller then of Desire, so that makes the resolution lose. Unless you watch your iPhone 4 display with microscope, then you would notice the more pixels on the iPhone. Otherwise, the naked eye doesn't need more pixels on such small space.
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Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It's only 5 megapixels, but it takes very good pictures. And the HD recording is again, the best out there. At a smooth 30fps with great adios quality its top notch. With iMovie you can even edit all that stuff on your iPhone..
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I have never (ever, trust me) chosen a phone because of it's camera, so I am lost here. I don't know who takes better pictures or videos.
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Build quality. Even though I have not held the new iPhone myself, every review goes the same. The build quality is unbelievable. It will make almost any smartphone to date feel cheap. And I can understand that.. it just looks and feels amazing. At 9.3mm thin it's just a very good looking phone.
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Probably, I can only guess. But what about that same build breaking easy and that same build causing such a big issue with network connectivity?
It's not just build something. Are you aware that in order for you to have decent connectivity, you will have to cover your nice looking iPhone? What's the point?
When we talk abous build quality, we have to take the strength (which sucks, on the second drop the screen dies, on the forth drop the glass is broken) and the looks (which again sucks, because the network sucks if you don't cover it with rubber, and if you do that, it's not good looking anymore).
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Facetime.
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I don't even want to start about this. I will only say: if those grandparents, parents, children... wanted to see eachother, why didn't they use video calls over 3G? That technology exists for over 5 years, and I have never used it (except for one time, to test with a friend what does it do in fact). Or Fring? Or whatever other app that exists there for video calls?
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Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks.
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If you look at both phones specs (I have), you will notice that on paper they have VERY similar battery specs. And still, your opinion about the Desire battery life comes from experience, but for the iPhone comes from reading? That is rather unfair :/
Just lets wait and see how iPhone will do in real life situations. My wife charge her iPhone 3GS twice in a day. She has to, her battery goes flat at noon. My battery lasts 2 days, with very big usage (I said above, I can't put my Desire of my hands). iWin
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I agree, and I would add: and share your experiences and thoughts. That is why forums are made.
EDIT: Wow, this post is so long now ))
Surely face time isn't a winner with it only being on wifi I've had nokia n97 and samsung Omnia both had forward facing cameras i used then both zero times, ok grannies wanting to see grandchilden i get that but i sure as hell don't want to see your ugly mug or the wifes... or my mates.. ok if your away for a while it would be nice to see the face of a family but iphone4 only? and wifi only?...
More megapixels don't make a nice photo, the lense and sensor are probably more important, i would find it hard to believe that the iphone4 isn't better in this catagory, low light shots with the desire are super grainy and striped = bad sensor.
Iphone4 looks very nice right up until you touch it then it's lovely lux black look is greasy finger tastic!
edit: so you have to hold it around the edge... oh wait!
I just have to say a few things in reply to XDA Mark... Psychologists aside :]
Appstore: Really??? Have you taken a look at the quality of apps in there? 80% are duplicates of other apps, 10% are original in their design and 10% are games. Coming from an iPod Touch 2g, I have to say i found all the apps that I need to be productive on a phone in 1% of the time it took me to find them on the ipod just because i didn't have to sift through 1 gazillion useless knock-offs. And then i found some more!
Whoever said MORE apps means BETTER apps??? Yes, there are lots of awesome apps in Appstore but i have not found anything that apps in Android Market can't do and can't do better! And widgets - oh, "non-denominational super-being", I love widgets.
Build quality: Sorry, but after a certain point this is subjective! And you haven't even held it yourself! I find my Desire to have a superb build quality - try to disprove that.
Games: What are we - 12? Do we need silly little 3D games on a 3.4inch screen. That's just laughable. Whoever thought gaming without physical buttons is kewl?! With the current state of haptic feedback this is the most inorganic and crappy method of control. My thumbs take about 35% of the screen of a 3.4inch ipod touch - good luck trying to play like that. My point is - games matter for iPad/tablets. For a phone - i am content with tower defense and sudoku! For Mass Effect 2 I have my HD 5870 and an overclocked i7-920 at home thank you very much.
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strange ha? , but i just hate htc for making such a great phone with a bad speaker,
everywhere i read i see that everyone is saying that the speaker is bad, and the earpiece volume is still something that i didn't get any confermation about its sound quality.
and the thing is i love android and i love the Sense interface, but i work in the most noisy place you can imagine and my current pro2 is really helping me a lot when it comes to sound quality esp from the earpiece.
i don't konw if i made the right decision i really love that phone, but i can't risk of having a bad earpiece.
what do you think? , should i wait and see the desire hd , or whatever will come by the end of the year with that 3.0 version of android , or just get myself the phone that i love?
I have the strangest suggestion for you: Try it out yourself!
So.. either give the sound quality a check with some demo unit in a store or something. If they don't have one, perhaps even ask if they can turn a Desire on for you so you can check the sound yourself.
Even better! Find someone (a friend, coworker etc) who owns a Desire. Then give the sound a try -right- at the place where you think it's important (e.g. noisy workplace).
Waiting for another phone or Android 3.0 could always be worth the wait. Who knows.. But there is absolutely no guarantee that the speaker/headphones will be better on that phone/those phones.
And since you don't really have any conformation about the earpiece quality yourself (and I guess you think it's really important), I think you should really give this a good test yourself.
Read: no matter what phone you buy, always check the quality yourself. Don't believe what others say. Perhaps someone else their quality standards is higher than yours, or they think other stuff is more important than you think.
well , you're very right, but the problem is that htc agent in Egypt is treating us like they are selling diamond , you can't try a device, if it's opened it's yours, and if you're lucky enough to find a demo device it's not for use with a sim card, you can try the software and everything except not making a phone call
even contacting the support is a night mare, as they are not authorized to speak their only job is to accept phones and send it to repair shops that belong to the agent , but they can't comment on anything.
even e-mail and phone support on the website , they don't provide any help at all
i don't have any freind who has the htc desire, and that's why i didn't try it
but don't you think that htc is really making no effort in providing us with better hardware.
i mean , why didn't they just make this phone with stereo speakers and aluminum body? and a 4inch display , simply cuz it's for the desire hd that's everyone is talking about
my point is i am begining to feel that these companies are really leaving problems in their devices , so we can think of upgrading our phones more often than we do
The speaker is indeed aweful, but I bought an x-mini capsule speaker and its better then any phone speaker I've ever used! Hope I helped.
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thanks , that was a lot of help
Not to mention the terrible touch screen and the ****ty AMO led. I'd say wait
Terrible touch screen and ****ty amoled? R u mad?
Headphone sound quality is fine for me too.
now that's news to me , i didn't hear anyone complaning from the screen , what's wrong with it?
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now that's news to me , i didn't hear anyone complaning from the screen , what's wrong with it?
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Nothing.
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strange ha? , but i just hate htc for making such a great phone with a bad speaker,
everywhere i read i see that everyone is saying that the speaker is bad, and the earpiece volume is still something that i didn't get any confermation about its sound quality.
and the thing is i love android and i love the Sense interface, but i work in the most noisy place you can imagine and my current pro2 is really helping me a lot when it comes to sound quality esp from the earpiece.
i don't konw if i made the right decision i really love that phone, but i can't risk of having a bad earpiece.
what do you think? , should i wait and see the desire hd , or whatever will come by the end of the year with that 3.0 version of android , or just get myself the phone that i love?
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if ur from the UK then order one via phone from tmobile and you get about 8 days to return it so you got 8 days to test it
The speaker is ok the problem is the placement of the thing... it's in the back of the phone making it less audible.
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The screen might be a personal thing. Personally I love the amoled screen, very nice to watch movies etc And the touchscreen is also very nice, very sensitive.
Guess supasye means the somewhat (possible) purple hue and the multitouch bug (which you probably never going to notice with normal usage).
My screen was very purple, so I've send it back for repair. Unfortunately the replaced device has some weird problem with the touchscreen (gets less responsive after some time, will be replaced now as well).
But as far as I can gather that's all an exception. I have multiple friends with a Desire and those all work perfectly. I can't wait until I get a new Desire back, and can start enjoying the device again!
As for output quality, I think it's perfect for normal usage. You can always buy some better quality headphones or something.
But then again, my standards are not that high for this. I don't use headphones that much and when I play music it's usually over bluetooth (in the car).
thank you all for sharing your opinions
like i was saying , my point is that i feel that htc is becoming more and more a monopoly player with no competition to face it.
it's like the story of lamborghini and ferrari , i see htc as the ferrari but i want a lamborghini
i see lots of people saying that the speaker does not work well , yet i don't see any actions from htc worldwide to improve it , much like apple with its phone antenna problem.
it's like those big companies refuse to say that they did something wrong , or even try to fix its problems.
htc in egypt is very bad in customer service , that's why i read a lot of reviews so i can make sure that i am buying the right headset.
sadly i can't buy the desire from outside Egypt for two main reasons, one it will not have arabic , my language, and two i will pay about 30% as taxes and customs.
moreover i get the feeling that once i buy the desire , a new model will be released with everything corrected, which makes you think , did they make such mistakes on purpose?
i don't like paying lots of money for my phone , and i don't like upgrading unless i am convinced that there's a real value being added.
but with all the great things that i see in the desire, i feel that waiting will be better due to that fact that i feel that htc did on purpose make the desire with speaker problems and 3.7 screen , so they can sell the next desire with a 4 or 4.3 screen and a stereo speaker.
I don't believe they create 'bad devices' on purpose, just to sell more of the next generation. E.g., put a crappy speaker in product X and then improve a bit for product Y. As a setup plan to sell more product Y devices. Although.... with some of the HTC products in past I'm not so sure lol
What HTC does, and has been doing for all along really, is create a nice device. And with almost the same internals and technology, bring a slightly improved version of that device on the market later (a bit like your example with a Desire, and then later a Desire HD).
HTC pushes out lots of models. When you buy one, a somewhat more improved version of that model will be out in a few months. And perhaps another one after that.
Then a new 'generation' devices will be release, and the same thing happens.
It's a proven and working strategy which seems to work very nicely for HTC. If you wait for the 'Desire HD' with bigger screen and stereo speakers, by that time something else is already around the corner.
However! Since those things cost quite some money, you have to be really sure it's what you want. So if you are not too sure about the Desire and actually rather wait for the 'next Desire', it's a good thing you can wait.
Not too many people (including me lol ) have the ability to remain calm and wait. Although I'm glad I bought the Desire when it came out. I just have to restrain myself to wait until the 'next generation' of HTC models
Do you specifically mean the loudspeaker sound quality and/or sound volume loudness?
As to the latter, maybe the end of this page will help somewhat: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3826/motorola-droid-x-thoroughly-reviewed/19
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I really love my Desire and I have had no problems with it but I guess there are some faulty models out there too.
If the loudspeaker is important to you, I'd wait for a new model. Desire's loudspeaker is the worst one I've ever seen. If you have no way of testing the device yourself there's an easy way to try it home: just buy the cheapest earplugs you can find, cut off the other earpiece, plug them to any source of audio and maximize the volume. That's what the loudspeaker sounds like, or maybe even worse.
The earpiece is not good either but it does it's job. I often have to ask people to talk more clearly because I can't hear what they are saying due to the poor sound quality.
But for HTC's defense I have to say that the bundled handsfree earplugs are very good and the sound quality of them is impressive. So if you're going to go with Desire, I'd advice you to either use the bundled handsfree or buy a better one yourself.
i disagree that htc does not use the idea of making bad devices so it can sell better ones later
look at the tytn 2 then pro one then pro2.
they make a great phone then instead of improving it they make a bad one , then they improve it again in the exact way it was supposed to naturally evolve.
( and by the way i used all of the three mentioned phones)
but look at the tytn one then the 2 , now that was a better upgrade , and worth the money too.
now as i was saying i am not going to buy the desire, although i love the os and the sence interface, but the speaker quality and the idea that i can't try the phone till i buy it makes it just a risk that i don't want to take , so i will wait and see what the coming days will bring us with new models.
i thank you all for sharing thoughts , opinions and ideas, they were really a lot of help
It's not that the loudspeaker is bad (it isn't), it isn't _very_ loud. It is certainly loud enough to hear the ringtone though.
As for the earpiece quality, I think it is quite good (better than iphone 3G/3GS, a bit worse than Nokia N81). I've heard from people some background hiss/buzzing may occur on 3G when the signal quality is very low. on Edge it works perfectly and quite clearly.
The included earbuds are not the worst I've seen either. They sound fine, look good.
But since I like the earcanal type, I went ahead and got me a pair of Creative EP-630i's, much better noise isolation and bass obviously. I should note that Desire is compatible with earbuds made for iphone just fine (mic and button works as it should).
I'd get a Droid X, if you can get your hands on it. If only for resizable widgets. But extra screen space, noise cancellation², HD recording and a gorgeous 8M camera with panoramic mode make me gush too.
i think that it won't have the great sence interface which is one of the main features that makes me love the htc desire,
but you know , waiting for that rumered desire hd seams to be a good idea after reading all of your opinions
Hi all,
I realise it might be silly to ask this in a HTC Desire section, but is it worth getting the Desire?
My niece is buying my HTC Hero from me and I loved owning that, so I was thinking of an 18 month Desire contract. What would you guys suggest?
Thanks in advance,
--Ray
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battery life sucks
disconnect charger & lose 10%
gps poor
sat nav uses your data allownce
camera is poor... n95 walks all over it
720 vid freezes
cant see screen in day light
bluetooth dont stay on, discoverable for 120sec's
speaker very poor
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good for browsing internet
some good apps
nice size screen
root phone for custom roms
The desire with slcd can be seen in direct light
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IMHO totally worth it.
Yes, there are some flaws. But still, it's the greatest toy I have ever owned
Nothing like smooth internet browsing on the couch. Or checking Wikipedia in a bar. Or messaging my facebook friends on the bus. Great
Ahh, nice. Thanks
People who have had HTC Heros before: how does it compare in terms of experience (not just a list of specs)?
It's an good upgrade from the hero. It feels more solid and optical trackpad is big improvement.
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battery life sucks
disconnect charger & lose 10%
The little battery trick posted several places(1) worked pretty well for me and many other people (although not everyone). My Desire has been unplugged (and unused) for 16 hours and is only down to 89%. On a normal day (mp3's to and from work, browsing every chance I get, emails, texts, a few calls) I'm still in the green at bedtime.
(1) Too new to post a link. It's a full night's charge after full depletion, unplug, recharge one hour, unplug, turn on, turn off, charge one more hour.
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battery life sucks - You can extend it, using various methods.
disconnect charger & lose 10% - If you have done your research - you'll know this is crap you're talking here. I dont have this issue on my Desire.
gps poor - Uh, no it's not? Where are you? Under a rock?
sat nav uses your data allownce - Ah, no it doesn't - get Copilot and all maps remain on the SD card.
camera is poor... n95 walks all over it - Smoking something are we? lol
720 vid freezes - No it doesn't - it has low frame rates - but this is a cell phone after all, so deal with it.
cant see screen in day light - New Desires come with SLCD which work 100% in sunlight. My current Desire even works well in sunlight.
bluetooth dont stay on, discoverable for 120sec's - Why do you need it on longer than that? Normal bluetooth on the phone stays on for as long as you want.
speaker very poor - Again, you smoking something?
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good for browsing internet
some good apps
nice size screen
root phone for custom roms
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Seriously - if you're going to review or give an opinion on a product - at least have your facts up to date, lol.
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battery life sucks
disconnect charger & lose 10%
gps poor
sat nav uses your data allownce
camera is poor... n95 walks all over it
720 vid freezes
cant see screen in day light
bluetooth dont stay on, discoverable for 120sec's
speaker very poor
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good for browsing internet
some good apps
nice size screen
root phone for custom roms
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battery life does not suck! 3 days with heavy use if you know how to use android..
"disconnect charger & lose 10%" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755903 very easy..
"poor gps" also have to disagree with that! I have a tom tom xl europe, use the phone more then my sat nav, very smooth, very accurate!
The camera is much better than the n95! My sister had the n95, at the time I had my nokia 5800, and that 3.2mp camera was much better! the hTc camers is much better, nice effects, auto focus.
720p video mode does freeze (sometimes) but then again thats what task killers are for
The speakers are bad, but if you listen long enough you won't see the differance, now that I'm back with my nokia, can't stop listening to music!
bluetooth is a bit of a dissapointment when sending bigger files, however I do think that there should be an app that should stop that.
well, thats my icing on the cake, if I think of anything else I'll let you know
hope this help! good luck!
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Seriously - if you're going to review or give an opinion on a product - at least have your facts up to date, lol.
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I agree! The review by lee815 has been very poor. There is a thread on the forum on how to fix these littles annoyances. But most of what he mentions are utter bs tbh
I'm probably being a bit thick here, but what is "SLCD"? I've just got my desire and I'm having problems seeing the screen in daylight, so anything that rectifies that would be great.
Thanks!
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I'm probably being a bit thick here, but what is "SLCD"? I've just got my desire and I'm having problems seeing the screen in daylight, so anything that rectifies that would be great.
Thanks!
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Since you cant see a thing in daylight then you have an AMOLED Desire like most of us.. there is no solution to that to speak of.. i have bought a screen protector which stated it would make my screen readable on direct sunlight but thats bullocks at least..
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Coming from a Hero, the Desire is a very welcome upgrade. Personally feel like it is the perfect size too.
The screen is hard to see when in direct sunlight but I haven't had an issue with it in the car for navigation so far and I use it at least once a week in the car.
It is that much more responsive and web browsing is awesome.
It doesn't feel as cramped as the Hero did to me after a while and it feels like a quality product though sadly I leave mine in a gel case to protect it. Everyone says the speaker is crap but I've been pretty happy with mine if I'm playing music through it but then I'm not an audiophile or anything like that. Easily the best phone I've had
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Thanks everyone
That's set my mind at ease a bit, I think I'm definitely going to go through with this and get a Desire now!
One last question.
Is it still risky to root it? I remember reading a while ago how easy it was to permanantly brick your Desire in some cases.
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Thanks everyone
That's set my mind at ease a bit, I think I'm definitely going to go through with this and get a Desire now!
One last question.
Is it still risky to root it? I remember reading a while ago how easy it was to permanantly brick your Desire in some cases.
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While im no "root guru" since i havent rooted any Android phones so far (was a WM 6.5 addict before hand) if you are on stock 2.1 rom and with the Amoled screen the rooting is as simple as pressing one button (with UnRevoked method..)
If you are on the 2.2 rom though.. ive read that you need to downgrade first to 2.1 before rooting etc..
I personaly dont have the need to root mine simply because, unlike M$, I trust HTC and her software and everything seems perfect to me on stock ROMs.. and im not really in the mood of flashing every day like i did on my xperia before..
Wether you decide to root it or not, the Desire is a truly wonderful phone in all of its aspects i hope you'll enjoy it as much as i (and probably most of the people who have boughted it) have..
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im entitled to my opinion & theres no need to get personal. My opinion relfects a large number of threads complaining about the same issues i have raised. if you dont agree fine but like i said, no need to get personal.
Not to worry. It's always good to get varying perspectives. I found your post quite helpful, since I had no idea of any problems I might run into. It's good to have the negatives up with the positives so a rational conclusion can be reached.
Thanks again.
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im entitled to my opinion & theres no need to get personal. My opinion relfects a large number of threads complaining about the same issues i have raised. if you dont agree fine but like i said, no need to get personal.
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@lee815
Chill out man and take it on the chin.
This is forum life..!
lee815 said:
im entitled to my opinion & theres no need to get personal. My opinion relfects a large number of threads complaining about the same issues i have raised. if you dont agree fine but like i said, no need to get personal.
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If you are reffering to my previous response i seriously didnt have anything against you.. i just stated my own opinion on rooting and the phone in general.
P.s. just wrote that to avoid any missunderstandind since your reply is after mine and you havent quoted anyone so i assumed you are reffering to my previous post..
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i guess lee is a new owner.
lee seriously research what you initially don't like
i guarantee you some issues are real and some are because you don't yet know how to work the phone and others are very fixable quite easily with the good help from clever ppl on here.
the gps from my experience without any tweaks is amazingly good for locking onto sats quickly
the screen brightness is easily overcome with the power widget
i was disappointed for the first 2 weeks until i started to find apps and tricks here. now its just amazing.
http://9to5mac.com/2011/12/01/samsung-continues-anti-apple-rant-on-facebook/
Lol that's pretty funny, especially the comments.
I just traded my iPhone 4 (acquired for a month) for the E4GT too, with $20 bucks on top. I can say that while I do miss some stuff that the iPhone did, I'm more satisfied with the EG4T.
Only thing that I don't like about my EG4T is how long it takes to charge up lol.
LOL 9to5mac
That's like a Muslim preaching to a bunch of country bunk Christians in Alabama. Too much koolaid for them to open their caveman minds.
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Lol that's pretty funny, especially the comments.
I just traded my iPhone 4 (acquired for a month) for the E4GT too, with $20 bucks on top. I can say that while I do miss some stuff that the iPhone did, I'm more satisfied with the EG4T.
Only thing that I don't like about my EG4T is how long it takes to charge up lol.
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What did u miss from iphone that sg2 android doesn't have?
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you have to admit, adding the battery specs for the e4gt while not mentioning the iphone's is pretty stupid considering everyone and their mom knows that the iphone destroys any android phone in battery life. they should've just left that bit out all together.
cnstarz said:
you have to admit, adding the battery specs for the e4gt while not mentioning the iphone's is pretty stupid considering everyone and their mom knows that the iphone destroys any android phone in battery life. they should've just left that bit out all together.
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I agree that they should not have had battery life ONLY for their phone. Either have it for both or don't mention it. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Epic matched the 4s in battery. Not only is the 4s battery worse than the 4, the epic actually had good battery life according to the reviews.
But yeah, that's pretty dumb how they did that chart. They also didn't mention resolution of the screens. Only the size (which I do love).
Somebody go tell them Samsung made their screen
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I find it funny that the comments were saying samsung is wrong for making fun of apple but didnt apple do that with the mac vs pc commercials
asqwrd said:
I find it funny that the comments were saying samsung is wrong for making fun of apple but didnt apple do that with the mac vs pc commercials
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Yeah with the kid from die hard lol
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rgregg504 said:
Somebody go tell them Samsung made their screen
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Nah, don't lie to them. It's actually an LG screen.
digweed4me said:
What did u miss from iphone that sg2 android doesn't have?
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It's probably just me not doing it properly through settings, but -
I like the sound/silent switch on the side. I would switch it to silent, and it'd silence everything...period. When I did it with the E4GT at work, some notification still rang even with sound off.
I also like that when you close YouTube and go back, it'd pick up where you left off in iOS5. While with the E4GT, it'd stop loading the video altogether if I were to go to the home screen or to read a txt msg. But I'm still new to this, so there may be ways around this.
Although, I DO like the fact that you can shut off the screen on the E4GT while the YouTube video is playing and just listen to the sounds. (I like to listen to videos...long ones, to help the work day go by)
I suppose that's about it lol... I mean, the iPhone4 was solid, and it was very smooth. But meh, so is my E4GT.
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It's probably just me not doing it properly through settings, but -
I like the sound/silent switch on the side. I would switch it to silent, and it'd silence everything...period. When I did it with the E4GT at work, some notification still rang even with sound off.
I also like that when you close YouTube and go back, it'd pick up where you left off in iOS5. While with the E4GT, it'd stop loading the video altogether if I were to go to the home screen or to read a txt msg. But I'm still new to this, so there may be ways around this.
Although, I DO like the fact that you can shut off the screen on the E4GT while the YouTube video is playing and just listen to the sounds. (I like to listen to videos...long ones, to help the work day go by)
I suppose that's about it lol... I mean, the iPhone4 was solid, and it was very smooth. But meh, so is my E4GT.
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I have no problem with silent mode being silent...but...youtube resume is such a tiny little feature to implement but so god-damned awesome sounding. Why hasn't Google taken care of this? I mean, srsly, with all of the major heavy duty **** they take care of on a day-to-day basis why not this tiny little convenience?
It really does blow my mind how some manufacturers and major software developers (like Samsung and Google) can overlook such simple usability features. It's not like that feature is unique to youtube on iOS....it doesn't take more resources...it isn't complicated.
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I like the sound/silent switch on the side. I would switch it to silent, and it'd silence everything...period. When I did it with the E4GT at work, some notification still rang even with sound off.
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Yes this function on android is HORRIBLE! There are some pluses to having a million different sound controls. Like the ability to silence text messages at night, but leave phone on. But when I'm in the doctor office, or jury duty I want one button to silence EVERYTHING.
I can't remember exactly, but I think ginerbread is when they changed it to its current form.
Man, there are a whole lot of mads up in that comment section.
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digweed4me said:
What did u miss from iphone that sg2 android doesn't have?
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Gapless playback. I know that wasn't directed at me, but I just answered it anyways.
I traded my E4GT for an iPhone 4S. I needed that gapless playback because I work at a venue...Android just wasn't workin out that great.
I do kinda miss that E4GT battery life though... Apple lowballed iPhone users with the 5.x update(s). 5.0 was the best (battery wise) but we can't downgrade back to it...so we're all up the creek. This that bull****.
ms79723 said:
Gapless playback. I know that wasn't directed at me, but I just answered it anyways.
I traded my E4GT for an iPhone 4S. I needed that gapless playback because I work at a venue...Android just wasn't workin out that great.
I do kinda miss that E4GT battery life though... Apple lowballed iPhone users with the 5.x update(s). 5.0 was the best (battery wise) but we can't downgrade back to it...so we're all up the creek. This that bull****.
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You traded the phone because of gapless? Poweramp does gapless.
I can see where some of you guys are going with this. Since the original Iphone not much has changed. Yeah, the body of the phone sorta changed, some internals and a new screen...but the design hasn't. One reason I never went to the Iphone was due to the fact that everything is propriatary...battery non removable, charging port isn't micro usb..instead it's apples propriatary charger and last but not least...Micro SD card expansion...can't do that on an Iphone. The screen size hasnt changed and facetime is only over wifi. I'm glad I went with the ET4G...it does everything and more than I though it would.
E4GT enough said
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You traded the phone because of gapless? Poweramp does gapless.
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Well gapless + no lag + good stock apps + reliability + better 3G speeds + better music app + other things.
Edit: and these are just my opinions folks. I miss being able to tinker with things...but that tinkering was messing with my time for homework and **** >.<
ms79723 said:
Well gapless + no lag + good stock apps + reliability + better 3G speeds + better music app + other things.
Edit: and these are just my opinions folks. I miss being able to tinker with things...but that tinkering was messing with my time for homework and **** >.<
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I understand most your reasons but the 3g speeds you must be one of the few lucky ones. Did you get the Iphone 4s on Sprint or a different carrier? Because Iphone Sprint 3g speeds were getting a lot of flack from users all around the country. I saw speedtest screen-shots in many blogs and they averaged below 1kbp/s.
Hi -- I have a Droid Charge and while I like it, I admit I'm jealous of the GNex, or at least of what the Gnex is supposed to be. I don't have an upgrade coming until 2013, but may be able to add a "ghost line" to my account and pick up a Gnex for $300 at a Verizon store, then sell my Charge. But I've heard there are major battery/speakerphone/radio-connectivity/other issues with the Gnex. So my question is... is everyone here in love with theirs? Any regrets? Anyone who was jonesing to get one but is now disappointed? Any opinions out there that can help me make my choice, I'd be so grateful. Thanks!!!
I'm going to try to post this as politely as I can without sounding like an @$$hole because I am not trying to be rude, but you could likely gather a vast pool of information by reviewing the several hundred threads within the Galaxy Nexus category to see what the common complaint is.
To not be completely useless in posting here, I personally enjoy the Galaxy Nexus a lot. You'll find people complain about all the same things as every other phone, including but not limited to:
Battery life
Screen durability
Screen brightness
Software incompatibilities
Camera function, performance, and/or capability
etc....
I've looked at a lot of threads, but I wanted to try and get an overview that wasn't necessarily based on squeaky wheels. A thousand people may love it and have no problem, but the ten who do post and negative connotations are born. I did do a search for an opinion thread like mine, and didn't find anything. For anyone who feels like the above poster, I apologize. For any others who don't mind giving me their opinion, I'd appreciate it.
Was in a similar position like you... I could get mine for a few bucks less, but I wasn't sure at all. But then I thought I'll give it a go and if I don't like it I'd just sell it.
After two weeks all I can say is I just love that phone and it was the the best buy since a long time.
Imo the screen is absolutely amazing, the image is razor-sharp due to the hd resolution and the colors are pretty "natural". What I'm trying to say with "natural" is, that when I compare the screen with the Galaxy S2 from a mate, the Nexus is more vibrant. The S2 is brighter, but looks kinda artificial. You could say the Nex looks more like a printed page and the S2 like a computer screen. The black on the Nex screen is truly black!
Battery life is ok, pretty good in idle is you ask me. But when you actually use your phone, the big screen takes its toll... but I have no problem to get over an entire day, even with heavy use. A lot of messaging, facebook, listening to music for an hour, at least an hour of playing games, playing around with my screen setup and voice calls (30 mins) today and I came home with 25% left.
And yes, there are some occasional software issues. But nothing big that would make the device unusable. Small glitches, you could say. After all it's a developer phone.
The phone itself looks very nice with the all-glass front and the overall feel is high-quality.
To sum it up: yes, there are some small issues, like with every other device. And yes, I would say, there is a big chance that you might like the GNex or even love it, like me
If you got any questions, feel free to ask!
I got an upgrade coming up on the 23rd so thanks to the OP for asking this question.
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Flx -grafix, thanks for such a thourough response! I see you're outside of the US, are you on a 4G network? Just want to gauge your battery life. Also, a lot of people have complained about the speaker, is it loud enough in your opinion?
billku said:
I've looked at a lot of threads, but I wanted to try and get an overview that wasn't necessarily based on squeaky wheels. A thousand people may love it and have no problem, but the ten who do post and negative connotations are born. I did do a search for an opinion thread like mine, and didn't find anything. For anyone who feels like the above poster, I apologize. For any others who don't mind giving me their opinion, I'd appreciate it.
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i absolutely LOVE mine, but it is the GSM version not the verizon one. it seems the verizon version with LTE has bad battery problems where it loses 20% overnight with no usage. the GSM version loses 4% over an 8 hour period. so i dont know how i would feel about that.
Yeah, Roger, that does concern me a lot. As the guy who chided me posted, battery issues on 4g phones are fairly common, but I'm hearing that the LTE version of the GNex's issues are pretty egregious.
billku said:
Flx -grafix, thanks for such a thourough response! I see you're outside of the US, are you on a 4G network? Just want to gauge your battery life. Also, a lot of people have complained about the speaker, is it loud enough in your opinion?
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No, I'm not on a 4G network, so I can't tell you about the battery life. I'm on a HSDPA net here. Compared to my HTC Desire S (Saga), the only noticable difference is that the GN drains more battery while the screen is on. But that is just plain logic, since the screen is much bigger and the resolution is higher. I'm also still on 4.0.1, the battery life on 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 is supposed to be even better.
The speaker volume is pretty low, that is right. But this is also something that's fixed with the update afaik and there is also an app in the market which lets you boost the speaker volume. This is definitely no reason for not buying the phone!
Any more questions? Just ask! And if helped you, pressing the thanks button is highly appreciated
Over all .... I am very happy with the Nexus and have no buyers remorse
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I am (slowly) moving an entire family plan to Verizon... largely because of the GN, but mostly because they have coverage everywhere I need it.
I live in the DFW area, so 4G has been steady and available all over my daily living/working spaces (except work, where the building kills the LTE but I can use it outside.)
Anyway, I know there are a lot of people with issues but I have to say, I have loved this phone every second so far. My battery life has been fine, could be better, because I don't use it every second of the day. I use a BlackBerry for work, so that helps, I guess.
I say go for it... if you don't like it you have like 14 days to return it and only be out the prorated service costs, I believe. (That's how Sprint was, anyway. Surely VZW does the same.)
For what its worth, I tweaked my phone's speaker with dspmanager. It is plenty loud and has more detail and bass with less of a high treble tin sound. Better speaker IMO vs the rezound and charge.
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for those who's got Gnex already: dont regret!! it was a great choice.
for those who hasnot got: Gnex is no much better than gs2, except for ICS (sg2 is getting ICS anyway).
however, giving the fact i have both devices. i have to say, Gnex is compatible with way more games (especially gameloft and ea games) on the google market, whie gs2 is not.
Thanks everyone for all these replies! I have worried about the reception/radio issues, though I'm in a strong 4G area, Los Angeles, so I'm hoping if I get the GNex I'll have similar results as Is_907.
Again, really appreciate all this, it's making me lean towards taking the plunge...
Don't let people with razr/rezound tell you otherwise, this is the best phone by far all around - however it has some deal breakers that are subjective (like the storage).
Now the real question is, is it worth the upgrade from a Droid Charge? I would honestly say no.
My dad and sister both have them, while nexus is definitely a step up - droid charge is pretty much the best of the last gen phones, I would wait for the next big thing - like galaxy s3, which will also likely have samoled+ hd and sd card.
Just put cm7 and load ics theme for now. (I did that on my moto triumph and fell in love with it again)
billku said:
Thanks everyone for all these replies! I have worried about the reception/radio issues, though I'm in a strong 4G area, Los Angeles, so I'm hoping if I get the GNex I'll have similar results as Is_907.
Again, really appreciate all this, it's making me lean towards taking the plunge...
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Verizon 4G coverage is pretty good and I have a signal everywhere I go (and speeds are INCREDIBLE). I haven't seen any reception issues.
Interesting, wonshikee. You've got me thinking...
I hear keeping 4G off when not needed helps a lot with the battery. I only live in a 3G area so I'm not 100% certain. Just use 4G when needed, 3g if OK for normal operation.
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It also charges freakishly fast. It charges so fast that I thought it was fake at first.
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I had a DC. I'm not looking back. That should speak for itself.
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