It's been 1 week now since I started my new love affair with WP7. I must say, I am very impressed and I do not miss OS 6 on my dethroned BB at all. I got the Mozart for the spectacular camera and because that flip stand on the back of the HD7 is just a recipe for headaches when it starts popping off.
Anyway the only thing I am longing for is a nice IM client that can at least handle Yahoo Messenger. I've been reading about all the hype on "Cross Talk" having the power to give WP7, Oldphone and Android the ability to have Blackberry Messenger and Facebook Chat...It has been 5 months since it was first spotted and mid last month I read that Cross talk is built and good to go pending for the release of the first WP7 device. Now that 5 of them are out, where is it? Another myth maybe?
I'm sure the first developer who gets a decent IM platform up in the marketplace will have a pleasant Christmas!
It's been a week without BBM or any IM on my phone, there is only one so called "Messenger" in the Marketplace which is a Live Messenger Knock off but it's useless....it doesn't even alert you or show an icon when someone sends you a message unless you have the app open therefore it only works if YOU are the one initiating the chat thread or if you want to keep opening the app every 5 minutes to check.
Other than my aspirations for a working IM client, WP7 is just an absolute killer! Love the UI and how graphics run through the screen. It is by far the easiest...OS to learn from scratch!
Hopefully eBuddy will add their own messenger to WP7 as they seem to be one of the most popular ones on Android.
Mate, anything is better than nothing at this stage hahaha.
I know it's too early to expect that much from WP7 but then again in previous years almost every new OS that came out had at least a couple of IM options right away.
Let's see...
WP7 doesn't have support for sockets in 3rd party apps right now which is pretty crucial for IM clients.
yes, very disappointed with WP7 that they didn't come with their own WLM and needed to use very buggy plus unstable Messenger by miyowa
hope Whatsapp, Beejive can come out with their IM on WP7 asap.
qilong said:
yes, very disappointed with WP7 that they didn't come with their own WLM and needed to use very buggy plus unstable Messenger by miyowa
hope Whatsapp, Beejive can come out with their IM on WP7 asap.
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They do have their own client... and it should be in the market place by now...
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/09/30/messenger-and-msn-applications-coming-to-windows-phone-7/
I hope there's actually a first party UIX-based client coming. The MSN protocol supports multiple points of presence, so you could keep your phone and your home computer online simultaneously.
personally im waitin on cross talk and palringo hopefully palringo brings the option to automatically run as soon as the device powers on like it does on windows mobile 6.5
Anything that doesn't require yet another account creation would be good, but I much prefer IM clients from the Vendor (i.e. Yahoo, AIM, WLM client from Yahoo, AOL, Microsoft).
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personally im waitin on cross talk and palringo hopefully palringo brings the option to automatically run as soon as the device powers on like it does on windows mobile 6.5
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technically this will never be the case with windows phone 7 as the start screen is the only thing that will show. However, in saying that, the makers of palringo can come up with a live tile which could automatically act like that, and then once you click the tile, it launches the application.
Messenger by Miyowa?
I am using this and it looks nice so far. MSN only (ofc)
i thought palringo was coming to wp7 they were one of the developers that had intentions on developing for wp7
Looks like IM+ is coming.
Souce
Love you long time, pay big money! seriously tho, doesn't yahoo have a webbased protocol? It doesn't have to even run in the background, just make one I can IM with. I need to switch from my BB but this phone isn't cutting it as replacement without IM clients (that crappy one doesn't count).
I used meebo with mine it's web based not sure you'll like how it looks in the WP7 explorer though...
http://www.meebo.com/
I've got a Yahoo Messenger client. IM Buddy. Just note that WP7 doesn't allow 3rd party background multitasking.
(Free) http://social.zune.net/redirect?type=phoneApp&id=b19d65ac-481b-e011-9264-00237de2db9e
(Paid) http://social.zune.net/redirect?type=phoneApp&id=af3a02f2-e008-e011-9264-00237de2db9e
Hello,
I have a sincere and honest question. I came to a conclusion but I hope I am wrong...
- I notice that several months after WP7's launch there is still no official Google Maps app, still no official YouTube app, still no Google Earth app, almost no GPS navigation apps with offline maps.
- All the non official Google Maps alternatives created by third party developers are pretty slow. I asked some developers why, and have been replied that the main reason is that Microsoft forces them to use the apparently sophisticated but very slow Bing map system based on Silverlight (for zooming). As a result the map image takes between 30 seconds to 1 full minute to display on my phone (what a shame). I tested and compared with two iPhone and Android phones using Google Maps, same place, same network, the map image appear in less than 10 seconds.
- Today Shape Services, the developer of IM+ announced that it will not have Windows Live Messenger support because Microsoft doesn’t allow it.
http://www.wpcentral.com/im-will-not-support-windows-live-messenger
Therefore I am starting to wonder why I cannot have Google Maps on my phone. Why so many GPS developers (such as CoPilot or Tom Tom) refuse to join WP7. Or why IM+ cannot have Windows Live Messenger support.... ??
And unfortunately my conclusion is that MS are maybe taking this terrible approach:
* MS refuse to allow apps that they think will duplicate functionality,
* Mainly MS actually want to impose their own services, such as Live Messenger, Skydrive, Bing and Bing Map, despite such services are either not available or mediocre in certain territories. In particular I am thinking of Bing Map which is so bad that it is almost unusable outside UK and US.
Microsoft have the right to take this kind of Apple's approach, ok. But then, as a customer, I would like to know it as soon as possible.
--> Practically does it mean that if I am using WP7 I will be forced to use Bing Map instead of Google Maps, MSN videos instead of YouTube, Bing instead of Google search, etc?
--> Practically does it mean that, as a customer, I will not have the choice between several alternative apps having similar functionality, just because MS will not allow them? For instance, does it mean I will never have the right to use an alternative Keyboard (Swype for instance) instead of the keyboard MS force me to use?
For instance does it mean that there will be no alternative player than Zune? (which also means no DivX|avi, the customer being bound to the only codecs MS will allow)
If so, I would like to know, because it's a weird philosophy, and a philosophy which I am definitely not ready to accept anytime soon... I don't want WP7 to be a new IPhone, even more locked down, with no freedom of choice at all...
Especially if I am totally not satisfied with the quality and efficiency of the various MS services such as Bing.
I probably made the wrong choice after WinMo and was maybe silly to stay loyal to MS.
Am I wrong?
Any clue?
It is google blocking its services from microsoft. They want android to succeed so they dont even give us the code for a youtube app (they gave it to apple for the origional iphone) let alone a google maps. Half of that is pure speculation so don't quote me on it but u try to watch a video in the stock YouTube app (the one in the market made by microsoft) and tell me how it looks.
Not sure why you are surprised, MS has made it clear that WP7 is going to be more tightly controlled than WM was but even then, they are not as draconian as you think. There is a gps program with offline maps available in Germany, Navigon. They have been asked several times if/when their program would be available elsewhere and their response seemed to indicate they were waiting for more users to come on board before releasing it.
As for youtube, MS recently filed a complaint in Europe against google claiming they are not allowing MS the proper access to deliver a better youtube experience. Even then, you have Supertube and Lazytube so I'm not sure what else is needed.
As for google maps, thats a google product and unless it is required that all mapping programs use bing (which is not the case, check GPS Navigator aSpass http://wmpoweruser.com/gps-navigator-aspass-provides-off-like-gps-map-caching/) that is up to google to make available. Swype wont be happening, been said a few time if I recall correctly.
Seems this time around MS it keeping a tight reign on certain categories of applications to ensure WP7 gives a consistent user experience. Just another factor to consider before purchasing a WP7 device.
Thanks for your replies,
So, i understand that WP7 will never have any official YouTube app or any official Google Maps app in the near future.
I can deal with LazyTube/SuperTube to replace YouTube
I cannot deal without the official Google Maps app, as all the other maps are too slow and too basic (no PoI, no Street View, etc).
And what about the fact that Microsoft refuses that Shape Services includes Windows Live Messenger support in IM+
And mainly, what about the fact that it seems almost impossible on WP7 to have:
- an alternative keyboard
- an alternative browser
- an alternative media player?
Whatever IE mobile is ok, whatever the WP7 keyboard is correct, it is a question of choice.
What about if people would like to use Swype instead of the regular WP7 keyboard, or Opera instead of IE?
At least would it be just possible to use such alternative programs? Or is MS' approach to forbid any alternative app?
efjay said:
Seems this time around MS it keeping a tight reign on certain categories of applications to ensure WP7 gives a consistent user experience. Just another factor to consider before purchasing a WP7 device.
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That would be fine only if services proposed by Microsoft were available worldwide (which is not the case) and were decent (which is not the case).
Well about the browser, I can't remember where I read it, but MS said that they are not blocking any browser application (Surfcube is a example)
Newness and Nokia
Hi all
I think that the problems and limitations of WP7 are to do with the fact that it is a new OS. The Mango update will bring a lot of APIs which developers will use to make better applications.
Also, I don't think Microsoft will let WP7, or any of it's main products, fall far behind the competition and I think that part of the deal with Nokia is to bring better mapping/navigation software to WP7 specifically.
Android has clearly had a lot more investment but in a couple of years WP7 will be a serious competitor.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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You've expressed your issues with Bing Maps a lot here but as I said before Microsoft is probably waiting on Ovi Maps to integrate into the OS to make the services useful outside of the US/UK. So I think your frustration will last a little while.
As for Google services I would guess it's more about Google not being interested in WP7 at the moment and Microsoft being happy to have that pretext to promote Bing. It's a new OS so I'm sure that will change eventually. Also remember Microsoft filed a complaint about Google so I might not be too far off.
Copilot, Tom Tom, etc. not being there is just about them not seeing the point with a small user base, that should change too eventually.
Now choice I'm afraid will stay limited. I think clearly WP7 wants to be somewhere between Android and iOS but much closer to iOS (for now at least). I think they will want the OS to mature before allowing alternative solutions (Opera and Skyfire came a while later on iOS). So yes I think you bought the wrong phone as I doubt all this will change in the short term and maybe Android is what you need until WP7 is a strong player.
Personally I'm happy the way things are as WP7 aims to be an OS about integration and that's harder to make when there's too much choice. I'm annoyed about IM+ not having WLM messenger but after Mango that would have been redundant (I would have preferred to have it until Mango, they could have removed it later). Ideally they should be aiming to integrate all IM services to messaging (a huge task). Same goes for other services.
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Well about the browser, I can't remember where I read it, but MS said that they are not blocking any browser application (Surfcube is a example)
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Surfcube is still IE at its core though.
gremmmy said:
Well about the browser, I can't remember where I read it, but MS said that they are not blocking any browser application (Surfcube is a example)
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That's not completely correct. Surfcube - just like other browsers available on the marketplace - is built upon the IE engine. So all that's different from IE is the UI on top of the engine. Currently it's impossible to provide browsers with other engines like Opera for example due to the lack of APIs. I don't know whether this will change with mango or not.
As a matter of fact, Microsoft is at least partly going a way Apple has been going with their products for years. If you want a mobile device with an OS that you can tweak to your personal desires, you should go for an Android.
Remember, APIs for wp are in their infancy, mango will extend them, who knows how much. But a company like Microsoft push out they first party app and services first is fine with me. If they work right, I won't have to look for an app that does the exact same thing. I love the fact that I don't have to load a crappy Facebook app just to post one thing, or having a built-in upload to Facebook in the camera. And now with the new APIs with integrating apps into different hubs and apps, should "save us from our phones" more.
And for IM+ it could be API isn't available for Live messager.
I'm afraid we won't see any Google Maps before Ovi integration with Bing.
As for browsers all available now are just IE with different UI.
I remember Opera saying they are not interested in making a browser right now.
no loss there, who uses windows live anyway? I spent an hour on the phone a couple of days ago trying to explain to one of my computer illiterate friends how to use it. I eventually had to install it with him and discovered the incredibly horrible and terrible UI.. won't miss it one bit.
pillsburydoughman said:
no loss there, who uses windows live anyway?
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That's the most used IM client worldwide.
pillsburydoughman said:
no loss there, who uses windows live anyway? I spent an hour on the phone a couple of days ago trying to explain to one of my computer illiterate friends how to use it. I eventually had to install it with him and discovered the incredibly horrible and terrible UI.. won't miss it one bit.
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Why didn't you just have him go to www.live.com?
And as stated, its the most used IM in the world. Skype is second.
pillsburydoughman said:
no loss there, who uses windows live anyway? I spent an hour on the phone a couple of days ago trying to explain to one of my computer illiterate friends how to use it. I eventually had to install it with him and discovered the incredibly horrible and terrible UI.. won't miss it one bit.
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skype will have Microsoft logo soon..... and it will be on WP7 included in the OS...
and as someone said Windows live massanger is the most used IM in the world..
if the idea is to impose their own services they wouldnt have allowed flory (gtalk) and they would reject im+ (for using icq, gtalk, and many other non ms services).
if this was the idea they would have rejected shazam encore, since they are going to implement the same service.
unfourtunately i suspect that the issue with wlm is the deal they made with miyowa
as you can see they talk about a a "deal" between miyowa and microsoft for wlm
http://blog.miyowa.com/?p=1118
just search more posts and you can see they mention multiple times have some sort of agreement...
i know its far fetched but i think its more likely that the agreement they made included exclusivity until ms made their own native app. IMO this sounds more reasonable than not allowing duplicated functionality
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personally i hate this, i would like to uninstall the miyowa app (its crap) and use im+ while we wait for native wlm.
revrak said:
if the idea is to impose their own services they wouldnt have allowed flory (gtalk) and they would reject im+ (for using icq, gtalk, and many other non ms services).
if this was the idea they would have rejected shazam encore, since they are going to implement the same service.
unfourtunately i suspect that the issue with wlm is the deal they made with miyowa
as you can see they talk about a a "deal" between miyowa and microsoft for wlm
http://blog.miyowa.com/?p=1118
just search more posts and you can see they mention multiple times have some sort of agreement...
i know its far fetched but i think its more likely that the agreement they made included exclusivity until ms made their own native app. IMO this sounds more reasonable than not allowing duplicated functionality
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personally i hate this, i would like to uninstall the miyowa app (its crap) and use im+ while we wait for native wlm.
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You might have a point there as everything gets dropped except Miyoma Messenger which is so crap I'd rather not have WLM rather than using it. They should be banned from making another app ever again.
revrak said:
unfourtunately i suspect that the issue with wlm is the deal they made with miyowa
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Or it may be with the way IM+ implemented WLM functionality. This could've taken some reverse engineering.
revrak said:
if the idea is to impose their own services they wouldnt have allowed flory (gtalk) and they would reject im+ (for using icq, gtalk, and many other non ms services).
if this was the idea they would have rejected shazam encore, since they are going to implement the same service.
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And don't forget that just-added official Evernote app, which kind of directly competes with the OneNote/SkyDrive/Mesh combo (and currently beats it, IMO).
I know its a bid old but it seems like no one talks about it. After several official and unofficial grooveshark apps has been pulled from the marketplaces, grooveshark has launched a html 5 version.
The problem is that it doesn’t work on windows phone even though i really like my windows phone this is a ground breaker too me.
I really want wp to succeed but the pile of things that wp doesn’t yet support or "missing" is just too many.
http://devjar.me/post/16069427404/windows-phone-7-plagued-by-ie9s-flawed-ajax
There are other music applications on the marketplace. The only difference is that you need to pay for your music with those applications than on Grooveshark.
For me its two things:
1. Windows phone is lacking an important app
2. Other phone users sees this as another features wp is missing (as of proper html 5 support)
and what you are saying is like "oh we don't need skype, we have tango for free calls, and IMs for messaging"
Hello WP7 users,
I want to share a few thoughts about the Windows Live Groups (WLG). WLG is a free service by Microsoft that allows various people to collaborate. Every group has a calendar, a group page, a Messenger "chatroom", a mailing list and - in my opinion the best feature - a small SkyDrive completely with Office Web Apps. I personally do use WLG as soon as I think that a project needs heavy collaboration. I think this fairly unknown service is way better than Google Groups when it comes to document sharing and coediting. However there is a problem. This service is neither integrated in the current Windows 8 builds, the SkyDrive App or Windows Phone 7. Everytime I want to check out documents in one of my groups I have to go through the Webbrowser. This makes it impossible to edit these documents on the go. There is however a suggestion for this feature on the uservoice page. It would be awesome if you could spend some votes on it. I think that including WLG support would attract a few more people to WP7, maybe not thousands of them but it would support both the WP7 platform and the Windows Live service.
The suggestion can be found here:
https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/.../2281451-integration-with-windows-live-groups
Short link (for twitter):
bit.ly/HzLKTA
Thanks in advance
Chris
ChrisKringel said:
Hello WP7 users,
I want to share a few thoughts about the Windows Live Groups (WLG). WLG is a free service by Microsoft that allows various people to collaborate. Every group has a calendar, a group page, a Messenger "chatroom", a mailing list and - in my opinion the best feature - a small SkyDrive completely with Office Web Apps. I personally do use WLG as soon as I think that a project needs heavy collaboration. I think this fairly unknown service is way better than Google Groups when it comes to document sharing and coediting. However there is a problem. This service is neither integrated in the current Windows 8 builds, the SkyDrive App or Windows Phone 7. Everytime I want to check out documents in one of my groups I have to go through the Webbrowser. This makes it impossible to edit these documents on the go. There is however a suggestion for this feature on the uservoice page. It would be awesome if you could spend some votes on it. I think that including WLG support would attract a few more people to WP7, maybe not thousands of them but it would support both the WP7 platform and the Windows Live service.
The suggestion can be found here:
https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/.../2281451-integration-with-windows-live-groups
Thanks in advance
Chris
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Voted and tweeted!
You just had my 3 votes.
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You just had my 3 votes.
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drupad2drupad said:
Voted and tweeted!
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Thanks. I hope we can get a few more votes
Voted, should be aware though that Microsoft is changing their Windows Live branding to Microsoft Account. Just like Zune integrating to Xbox Live, so I think the service will still be there in the future, only under a different name/management.
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Voted, should be aware though that Microsoft is changing their Windows Live branding to Microsoft Account. Just like Zune integrating to Xbox Live, so I think the service will still be there in the future, only under a different name/management.
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Thanks for your support. I guess we'll see in the near future what will happen to all the Live Services
Put in 3 votes. It would be great to access this from the app or office hub.