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Dropped my Desire in my drink!

Just dropped my Desire in a glass of Tia Maria and coke. Lesson learnt. Don't drink girl drinks!
It only went about half way up the length of the phone. Only problem seems to be my trackpad gets a bit stuck sometimes which sends the phone mental. Wish I took insurance lol!

ouch, I feel for ya man.
I love my desire but... damn that must be a big glass for the phone to be able to fit in that!

Ean you not take out insurance now ? Then if you accidently dropped in a drink again, say in a months time you would be covered ?..... just a thought

Ok thought I left it to dry for long enough but now its turning itself off! Oh dear.

Just a thought... you don't pay for one of those back accounts with extras, do ya?
I was in Halifax bank today and they were trying to get me to sign up to some bank account where you pay a tenner every month... but one of the perks was that you get "free" mobile phone cover for up to £500

ephumuris said:
Ok thought I left it to dry for long enough but now its turning itself off! Oh dear.
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Switch the phone off and take out the battery. Then store it in a bowl of rice in a dark area for 12-24 hours and hopefully that will fix the problem.
Terrible thing to happen to a new phone though =/

Tia Maria is sticky. Anyone know if rinsing in clean water and then drying in rice would be a better tactic for the OP?

al89nut said:
Tia Maria is sticky. Anyone know if rinsing in clean water and then drying in rice would be a better tactic for the OP?
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Absolutely not. Rinsing it in water is a sure fire way to destroy the phone.
Tia Maria stains anything it spills on to so you better have cleaned it straight away. You're best bet is to use some kind of alcohol based cleaner. An easy thing to get would be baby wipes. Get the cheapest available (They usually have alcohol!) and use it to clean the phone but first of all dry it in rice.

You *can* rinse it with distilled water and not damage the phone so long as you allow it to dry. You'd have to pull it apart to do this with any confidence. The rice trick works too. It's saved many pc components for me in the past .

you fool, what are u doing with desire near a drink for

Probably trying to get that girls number xD.

Home insurance?
your usually covered up to so much for items taken out of the household.
I would guess your phone is covered in that too?

there is a trick to this. contrary to popular belief, water doesn't conduct electricity. it's the minerals desolved in it that do.
when an electrical item is submerged in liquid it is either damaged immediately by short circuits or it is left malfunctioning due to mineral deposits being left behind when the liquid evaporates.
distilled water which contains no minerals can be used to rinse electrical devices.
you must have good quality distilled water in a plastic container. don't be tempted by de-ionised water, It's not the same. cut the top off the plastic container with the water still in it, spilling as little as possible and soak the device in it.
I obviously need to say that you do this at your own risk. I have successfully done this 3 times but, if there were say, heat transfer compound somewhere on a heatsink and you washed it away that would be bad.
a. better approach may be to check your home contents insurance, many policies cover mobile phones.
edit: if it had not taken so long type all that on my desire I wouldn't have been 4 posts behind by the time I submitted it!
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Yup that's why I said distilled .
Deionised might actually be ok. You can't short anything as it isn't running. Even if you were to use distilled water you could still short your board as it will have impurities like dust. Deionised water contains other impurities though like micro organisms but that's not going to be an issue for a simple rinse. The cost between the two isn't that big so just use distilled.

ephumuris said:
Just dropped my Desire in a glass of Tia Maria and coke. Lesson learnt. Don't drink girl drinks!
It only went about half way up the length of the phone. Only problem seems to be my trackpad gets a bit stuck sometimes which sends the phone mental. Wish I took insurance lol!
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as they said, clean it loads..... make sure to check your home insurance cover!

Shame Buddy... make sure you clean the battery contacts on the battery and on the phone with a cotton swab and rubbing alcohol to maximize the efficiency of energy transfer and remove any liquid residue.

actually, to add to this, strictly speaking there is no impurities (like dust) in distilled water, but of course, there will be dust etc inside your desire. you can buy canisters of de-ionised gas (look up ambersil) for blowing away dust with no static discharge (static potential difference stabilization) which could otherwise damage your device.
I have to buy about a gallon of distilled water each year (strange I know but I age quality cigars and distilled water is necessary) it can be hard to get as the old fashioned source for car battery top up has all but vanished as everyone uses de-ionised water for that now (remember that de-ionised water still contains conductive minerals and is defo no good). I have discovered that strange older peops with beards who like to play with toy trains buy Hornby distilled water so that their toy trains can produce steam without getting clogged with mineral deposits. this product is good old fashioned distilled water and believe me when I say that if it's good enough for ageing thousands of pounds worth of the finest Cuban stock it is 100% pure distilled H2o. it is readily available on the intertweb. took me a good couple of days on Google to find this source.
I still think your contents insurance is the best bet and you should consider this a last resort but to give you an idea of how true this is, my nephew crashed a radio controlled aeroplane into a sheep dip and it remained 5 feet under for 48 hours and I got all his radio gear going again using distilled water.
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Deionised water doesn't have any charged particles so it won't conduct a charge.
farnsbarns said:
there will be dust etc inside your desire.
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Yeah that's what I meant but it doesn't read that way. Thanks

mortuus82 said:
you fool, what are u doing with desire near a drink for
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He had the desire for a drink?
Good luck OP

If you do use distilled water, try a little taste of it too...

[Q] Water sensors

I've heard that despite being designed for water resistance, the Defy has water sensors which can be checked for warranty purposes. Can anyone here report the locations of these sensors? And if you took your Defy for a bath, are the sensors now affected?

I guess most handset have these type of sensors today and there actually just stickers that get colored when moisture reaches them. So the only way to find out if you triggered it would be to physically open up the device before and after exposure. Since the Defy is not water proof I'm pretty sure that they will not replace your phone if it has been water damaged. If you just forget the caps on the USB or headphone outputs it will propably be damaged by water and you would void your warranty.

One is one the edge of the battery, it's a white rectangle with pink X's on it; the other is under the battery on the device itself. It's a tiny white hexagon.

the battery door is air tight, but only up to 3 feet I believe. so if you drop it in the toilet or in a cup of tea, the phone will be fine and the water stickers wont be affected. I would assume that there might be another on the inside of the phone.

Eh.. I would want to test this phone so bad..
Infact I'm considering bringing a ziplock bag full of water to the tmobile store and demanding the phone be tested before I buy it. Making sure that they bring out the one I'm going to buy and testing that one specifically.
If they say no its w/e. But, I want to see a test before I jump in head first.
With that said, the folks at engadget I think it was ruined one of the two test units because the flap on the back of the battery didn't go in right.

Snow_fox said:
Eh.. I would want to test this phone so bad..
Infact I'm considering bringing a ziplock bag full of water to the tmobile store and demanding the phone be tested before I buy it. Making sure that they bring out the one I'm going to buy and testing that one specifically.
If they say no its w/e. But, I want to see a test before I jump in head first.
With that said, the folks at engadget I think it was ruined one of the two test units because the flap on the back of the battery didn't go in right.
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OK, so I have had mine in a few glasses of water at restaurants (people bragging to me there was nothing their phone couldn't do that my could) and in a hot, tall Starbucks (regular coffee) at a meeting that almost gave everyone a heart attack. And, you must have seen the video where they start the camcorder and drop it to the bottom of a pool? W/O issues? I'm thinking of having a holster made for it that clips to the front of my snowboard.

They would be inside where the battery is stored. This part of the phone is, naturally, not water proof (battery, sd and sim card contacts). There is a water resistant gasket on the seal where the backing goes. It is spring tensioned so it makes a good, watertight seal. So, I would not sweat triggering the moisture sensor IF you have the back of the phone on correctly.
I wouldn't go deep sea diving with the phone either... water proof or not. I don't see any harm in having the phone in your pants pocket on the floor while your taking a shower though..

Sorry, for some reason I didn't see the NUMEROUS replies to your post. I basically just parroted off what the others had said.

Sorry, for some reason I didn't see the NUMEROUS replies to your post. I basically just parroted off what the others had said.

Moisture indicators are common-place in phones, generally there's one on the battery and another one on the phone in the area the battery sits in.
Most of them are white and turn a very noticeable red when damp however some others are, as people have described, white with a coloured pattern and the smudging of the pattern is the indication.
That said, any engineer worth their salt will be able to open up the handset and check the circuit-boards themselves for corrosion, the indicators are there to speed up matters but are by no means the only way in which moisture damage can be detected.

put it to water?

Adhesive/glue for a digitzer/touch screen replacement

Long story short, phone falls out of my pocket about 1ft onto a laminate floor and the whole digitizer decided to crack (so much for really strong screens). I've ordered a replacement digitizer but i cant seem to find anywhere on this ever so vast internet, what adhesive I need to attach the new digitizer.
the phone is running cm7 so i really don't want to go through the hassle of re-flashing it with a stock ROM in the hopes of getting it repaired under warranty.
very stressfull week, and now this think im gna go sit in a corner and cry
Any help is really appreciated

Any retail strong glue would do the job as what I see here. Just the case of how details is your work would come. If you do it slow and details without any rush or interuption, I think it will turn out like new you wouldn't notice it has changed the screen.
I've seen a video clip, a guy changing the Defy crack screen and it turned out very dirty. The glue just spread out all over the side of the screen.
You could just do a few practice of using the glue on a different object that required sharp and details hands/fingers and then only come back to work with your delicate DEFY.

Thanks for the quick reply
if the video is the 3 part one where fixes the screen and forgets he hasn't charged it then i watched that a few Min b4 my first post.
Google'd the names on the adhesive he used and got no results besides music cd's lol.
Would using the wrong kind of glue affect the touch screen? I don't really care about the waterproofing as it will be inside my wrist strap all of the time whilst im on my bike, but i just want to ensure that using the wrong glue wont render my new screen absolutely useless.
My town is riddled with phone repair shops. I got quotes from 4 of them, for just simply glueing the digitizer to the faceplate. Lowest quote i got for 5 min work was £20......... daylight robbery!!!
And my fingers are very accurate for some reason (apart from when trying to hit a link on the defy browser without zooming in grrrrrrrr), glued the trim on my les paul guitar easily, still give it a few practises tho
again, thanks for the quick reply

Good...
A good practise is to pour the glue like a water drop on a paper and use a sharp holder like twiser or a pin and take it a little and spreading it along the side of the Defy screen frame evenly.

Water Damage

We've all seen the various posts of HELP I HAVE WATER DAMAGE. In fact a global search of XDA will net you with a LOT of posts asking for help.
Everything from I dropped it in the snow, to my kid put it in the toilet, and my personal favorite, I was listening to music while in the shower and it vibrated itself into the toilet. :good:
But in all these cases the poster is asking what to do, their beloved device won't power on and they have something "important" that they forgot to back up and need off of the device.
I've seen such things as put it into a bag of rice (usually about a 25% chance of recovery), and wrap it in paper towels. Even 1 suggested to put it in the microwave.
Lets put some of these myth's do rest shall we. Lets start with the microwave. DUDE WTH are you thinking? Electronics, microwave, BAD IDEA! No ten seconds, no 5 seconds, not even 1 second. You are just begging for BAD to happen, DON'T EVEN THINK OF IT!
Wrap the device in paper towels, while YES paper towels are absorbent, they are NOT going to get the water out from the inside of the device, no matter how "open" you have it.
Putting the device in a bag or jar of flour. AGAIN BAD IDEA! While YES flour is very good at pulling moisture it is just going to cake up and actually cause even MORE damage to the device.
Hair dryer, Ok this does have SOME merit, but again heat to an electronic device is not something that you REALLY want. Especially with many devices being made of plastic now days. This will end up with permanent fogging of the glass and render the device virtually unusable.
Rice Rice Baby....duh nah nuh nuh nah nuh nuh, put it in a bag of white rice baby. Rice is a FOOD, while it does react to water well, it is not a very good idea, but then again it is a FAR CRY better then the ones above. This could work, but I would rather leave the device as open to the air as possible and let it air dry for a week then put an electronic device into a bag of rice.
Silica Jell, Silica Jell WILL pull moisture out of the air, and in fact in an enclosed space such as a zip locking bag, they work VERY WELL at pulling moisture out of electronic devices. Now I've heard of complaints about how expensive these little baggies are to the average consumer, but NO they are not.
You say you can't afford to buy silica jell packs? Well why not? Many of you are married, and have had to take that HORRID trip to the shoe store. Instead of just playing with your phone or what ever, while your wife is off looking at some new pumps or heels that she "needs," go up to a store clerk and ask them if they have any of the little bags of silica sitting around. Tell them what you need it for, and 9 out of 10 times you will walk out of the shoe store with not just new shoes for your wife, but a FREE insurance policy for your beloved electronic devices.
Hit up several shoe stores, get yourself a bag full of them. Get them home and hide them away. I prefer to put them into a vacuum seal jar and vacuum seal the jar closed. This does a couple things. It keeps the silica jell from absorbing any free moisture in the air, and often makes it so that little hands won't mess with them. All in all you want about 200 of the little baggies. WHY. Because I told you to, no really the reason is, that some will already be full, and others will not, you just never know for certain.
When that inevitable moment comes that you need to recover from your arse hole brother in law pushing you into the pool with your new device, open that jar up, grab a zip locking type bag, drop your device in it, then cover that sucker with all you can fit. Leave your device in the bag for AT LEAST 3 days with the battery out and all in the bag. let those little insurance policies do their job for you. There is of course a level of failure in this but it is by far more effective then any of the above posted "methods."
I did a personal test over the last 2 weeks with an old HTC Tilt. That dad burned thing has been sitting in my desk for a couple years now BEGGING to have something done to it. Well now it did.
I filled a mixing bowl with water and turned the phone on, and waited for it to get done booting up. Once it was done I dropped it into the bowl and waited 5 seconds. Reached in, grabbed it out and yanked the back off and took the battery out. Put the phone, battery, back and all into a zip locking type bag, and removed the sim card and sd card. Opened up my handy dandy jar of silica jell packs and poured them into the bag.
I zipped it closed and left the phone in there for 5 days. Pulled it out, and looked over the phone. YES the water indicator had been tripped I put the battery back in, put the back on, put in the sim card, and pressed the power button. Then out of no where I heard my phone come to life, and the screen was just fine. The phone has been sitting plugged into a wall socket and left on for 5 days now. So far no issues, not even a speaker issue.
After I pulled the Tilt out of the bag, I decided WHY NOT, and dropped my old Tilt 2 into a bowl of water and did the same thing. And now, it too is sitting plugged in to a wall socket and left on for a couple days. Only issue with it so far is that it OCCASIONALLY has a bit of "static" with certain alert tones.
So here I sit with a 100% success rate for 2 devices intentionally put into what would normally be the end of life for an electronic device.
So do yourself a favor, and get a bunch of those little baggies and save them up for when you need them. I would however recommend replacing the ENTIRE LOT of them every few months, even if you have them vacuum sealed. Why, because i told you to. No, really, it is because everything has some sort of expiration. Better to keep them refreshed then to find out that you didn't change them out 2 years ago and they absorbed all the moisture out of the air in the bathroom where you hid them.

Rice is hygroscopic and works just fine as a drying agent since you're not drying your phone for a month. better than open air.
gel, not jell

I got a cracked up screen, i'm really hoping I don't have to fight water damage... (i know how to replace the glass and I plan on doing it sometime sorta soon)
I think I'd prefer cracked screen to water damage if I had to pick.
Way back when I had a little iPod nano that went into the wash with and old Samsung flip phone the phone died but the iPod survived. I had put them in front of a wall heater, basically equivalent to a hair dryer i guess.
just be smart don't get your phone wet
OH any thoughts on Liquipel? http://www.liquipel.com/
sounds like they use a vacuum to coat everything inside.
I'd be interested to try some of NeverWet's product with my vacuum pump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7is6r6zXFDc
http://www.neverwet.com/index.php
But it sounds like they aren't in production yet.

Ok. My wife dropped her two week old GS3 in the toilet and few weeks back. She claims it started making weird noises and the screen was flashing. She turned it off and let it dry out in the sun. A couple of hours later she returned home and I turned it on. There was a green hue to the screen.The touch screen was unresponsive. I turned it off and took out the battery, sd card and sim card. I shook the phone and felt some water come out. We put the phone in a zip lock bag filled with rice and a handful of those little descicant packets. Her idea. We let the phone sit there for around 36 hours. We then turned it back on and everything did and still does work fine.
I doubt the rice or packets actually did anything. I think just giving it time to dry was all that was needed. Just my personal experience.
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jjm3175 said:
I doubt the rice or packets actually did anything. I think just giving it time to dry was all that was needed. Just my personal experience.
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The rice and silica absolutely did something - its the chemical equivalent of vacuuming the moisture out of every nook and cranny. You'll never air dry it as much.
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Silca gel does 999x better then air drying,it even takes the moisture from water spots. Do not air dry please. You will build corrosion from water and oxygen on electronic parts
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The rice and silica absolutely did something - its the chemical equivalent of vacuuming the moisture out of every nook and cranny. You'll never air dry it as much.
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The air in your home has some moisture/humidity already, making air drying much less effective than silica gel or rice.

I guess I should be thankful for my wife's shoe buying habit since I'm the one who paid for the phone lol.
Good thread.
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Recovering from a water "incident"

I wanted to throw this out there in case someone else can benefit from it.
Yesterday I dropped my S2 E4GT in the toilet. I'll save you the details, but yes, it was "clean" water. Luckily I think it hit the basin before the water which caused the battery cover to fall off and the battery to fall out prior to being submerged.
Completely dejected, I did the following (what could it hurt?):
I took the phone to my air compressor in the garage and blew compressed air through every nook and cranny.
Placed the phone in a Pyrex bowl.
Covered the phone in white rice.
Placed the bowl with the phone in the oven at 170 degrees F (the lowest setting).
Forgot about the phone while troubleshooting a car issue.
Came back in after an hour and twenty minutes to my wife telling me she removed my phone from the oven because it smelled like burning plastic.
The phone looked normal, so I shook the rice out of it, and figured with nothing to lose, put a different battery (Anker) in the phone and it booted up like normal(!)
So far the phone is working like it always had. A few things that saved me: I had removed the external SD card prior to the "incident", I had a charged up spare battery on hand, and I think the fact that the battery popped out before it hit the water probably saved the day.
Not sure what the optimum cook time is at 170 degrees, but after 80 minutes or so, even though it smelled like hot plastic parts, there is no noticeable deformities or defects.
Give it a shot, your mileage may vary.

I think the only thing you can really hurt in an oven like that is the LCD screen. Usually, everything else is good to about 100 degrees C (~200 degrees F) if it's off. If you're patient, the rice will remove most of the water overnight. Just shake it off before you throw it in the rice. The biggest problem is getting water spots under the screen.

A big no no with electronics is using an air compressor to clean or dry it. It can blast off small components like smd caps. Also air compressors have small amounts of oil in them that can carry tiny bits of metal with it as it is being pushed out of the hose with the air. Than can provide a decent conductive bridge. Also with air rushing through a device with metal and plastic in it, static electricity will build up. You got very lucky.
I personally take the entire device apart and bake only the motherboard in rice at about 180 for an hour and let the digitizer and screen assembly dry while wrapped in a towel over night.
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A big no no with electronics is using an air compressor to clean or dry it. It can blast off small components like smd caps. Also air compressors have small amounts of oil in them that can carry tiny bits of metal with it as it is being pushed out of the hose with the air. Than can provide a decent conductive bridge. Also with air rushing through a device with metal and plastic in it, static electricity will build up. You got very lucky.
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I hate to say it, but my grandparents have an old i386 system that would disagree with you. (As well as several impact guns that disagree with your claim about oil being in the air.) Plus, I've used an air compressor on modern systems plenty of times. The trick is to not be stupid. Make sure you are using an air dryer, turn off the oil (most people don't even have this anyway), and don't shove the blow nozzle into the board, and you'll be fine.
Also, you're a lot more likely to screw something up when removing the board and digitizer than just letting the entire thing sit in rice, or even bake at a low temperature. A hair dryer is a much better option than an oven or air compressor IMO.

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A big no no with electronics is using an air compressor to clean or dry it. It can blast off small components like smd caps. Also air compressors have small amounts of oil in them that can carry tiny bits of metal with it as it is being pushed out of the hose with the air. Than can provide a decent conductive bridge. Also with air rushing through a device with metal and plastic in it, static electricity will build up. You got very lucky.
I personally take the entire device apart and bake only the motherboard in rice at about 180 for an hour and let the digitizer and screen assembly dry while wrapped in a towel over night.
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No doubt I got lucky. That is a good point on compressed air. My system has a filter and a dryer attached, so water and oil should not have been an issue for me, but it's something to think about if you have an out of the box air compressor.
I've had bad luck taking electronics apart, particularly with the snap fit assemblies that so many electronics incorporate.
I figured my phone was done; anything I could try would be an experiment and if it worked out, great.