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So, I did a silly thing
I rooted my new Incredible using Unrevoked 3.21 and it worked like a dream. Super impressed with how easy it was compared to when I rooted my original Droid. I decided I wanted to run Cyanogen Mod, since I loved it on the Droid.
The mistake I made was thinking I could install like I did on my Droid - I juts downloaded Rom Manager and downloaded and told it to install the latest version. Now I know that was bad.
My phone now boots only to the white HTC Incredible splash screen and sticks. The only way to power down is to pull the battery. If I pull the battery, and boot using the volume + power button, it vibrates 3 times and the screen goes black.
If I plug it into my computer while it's stuck on the white splash screen Unrevoked will pick it up and start the push. I thought awesome, because it rebooted it back to the hboot screen -- but then it restarted again and stuck on the white splash.
Then I tried stoping unrevoked at the hboot screen and trying clear storage and i tried recovery when that didn't work. Pushing the power button to select the option makes the phone vibrate once and go back to the white splash.
Am I doomed? I tried a Froyo RUU and it can't find it via USB. I'm feeing antsy with no phone and a little nervous I wrecked my Incredible.
Hmm, I've heard there are ways to manually recover via USB, but I'm not sure of how to do it. Also, how long have you let it sit at the HTC screen. Many roms take about 7-10 mins on the first boot and may seem like they are frozen.
If I try booting using power + volume it pulses (vibrates) 3 times and the screen stays black.
Maybe take a look at this.
androidforums.com/incredible-support-troubleshooting/187107-3-vibrates-no-recovery.html
Thanks, so now I can get into hboot - when I volume down to select 'recovery' it vibrates one and goes to the white splash screen again. Then, it goes black with white bars on the right and left sides
jensenist said:
If I try booting using power + volume it pulses (vibrates) 3 times and the screen stays black.
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Holding volume up and power enables Qualcomm diagnostics (vibrates three times). Pull the battery and put it back in then hold volume down and power. That should get you to hboot.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Yea I've made it into hboot now, but it doesn't seem to do anything? It goes to the white HTC Incredible screen, or a black screen with two white bars.
Are the some zip files I should have on my SD Card?
Ok, I found this thread: http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=806734
But the recovery file linked is a dead link?
EDIT: Think I found the file needed: http://www.dougpiston.com/files/Recovery/
in there. Trying to put that on the card now.
Update: I used the file from the thread I found and this time it actually came up withs ome prompts. once I opted yes, though, it went back to the white HTC Incredible screen.
Am I missing anything else? That recovery file is the only thing I've put on the SD card. Do I need any other images?
Call *611 and get a refurb. something happened. same thing happened to me. I flashed shadowrom(not blaming this rom) and instead of booting up i hear 3 beep, black screen flashing green notification light. only way to pull batt. then i try turn on, 3 beep same ****.. weird enough, i could plug it in, get a red light turn it on, and use it fine, i was s-off, this turned me to s-on somehow, and when i had the phone booted finally from having it plugged in, once rebooted, samed 3 beep, and if i tried turning it on while plugged in and pulling the cord before fully booting, it would do the 3 beep, i just got a refurb for this, just flash the signed PB31IMG.zip file to set it back to s-on and stock recovery...
I've got recovery working. Now I just need a backup file to restore to or a stock image or something, I think.
If you have recovery working you're good to go
jensenist said:
I've got recovery working. Now I just need a backup file to restore to or a stock image or something, I think.
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Step 1: Download this file: http://www.mediafire.com/?n3bmd2bkz55k1b9
Step 2: Connect your phone to your computer.
Step 3: Save all of the files on your sdcard to a folder on your computer.
Step 4: Format your sdcard to fat32.
Step 5: Place the "PB31IMG.zip" file that you downloaded onto the sdcard in the bottom directory.
Step 6: Power down the phone.
Step 7: Hold the volume button down while pressing the power on button. (This will place you in HBOOT)
Step 8: HBOOT will find the file on the sdcard named "PB31IMG.zip" and ask if you wish to update with it. Answer yes. (It will start to load and restart HBOOT and scan for the file again, don't panic, let it do it's thing.)
Step 9: When it is finished it will ask you to reboot the device, press volume up to reboot.
Step 10: Remove "PB31IMG.zip" from the sdcard.
Courtesy of dadicus at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760306
I just cleaned it up a bit and made sure it works. This will revert your phone to complete stock 2.1 to include the recovery, radio, splash, etc, ready to receive the 2.2 OTA. After this, just run unrevoked again. Any problems/questions, let me know.
Well. Doomed I think.
It was going through the install like you described, I left the room. Came back to a black screen. Let it sit for a bit. After awhile I decided to go ahead and try a restart. Now, joy of joys, the buttons on the bottom light up but the screen stays black like it's booted up but unresponsive. Can't use the volume + power reboot at all now, I don't think. I'll keep trying.
jensenist said:
Well. Doomed I think.
It was going through the install like you described, I left the room. Came back to a black screen. Let it sit for a bit. After awhile I decided to go ahead and try a restart. Now, joy of joys, the buttons on the bottom light up but the screen stays black like it's booted up but unresponsive. Can't use the volume + power reboot at all now, I don't think. I'll keep trying.
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Since you already did a restart, tried a battery pull? Detected in adb?
I read a quote once (forget from where), it's not doomed till it doesn't power on.
I haven't tried adb -- I'll have to wait til I get home. battery pull doesn't seem to make a difference. Buttons at the bottom vibrate as I run my finger over them and are responsive - just can't see anything on the screen :\
Ha, I like that quote. And while it sucks breaking stuff, I always learn the most when I've wrecked something to the point I don't think I'll be able to ever recover lol
Not sure how I'm going to try ADB though. Looking at this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709220
I need access to my phone, and I can't get it. I might actually be doomed now. I'll keep researching. If anyone has tips, they're appreciated.
jensenist said:
Ha, I like that quote. And while it sucks breaking stuff, I always learn the most when I've wrecked something to the point I don't think I'll be able to ever recover lol
Not sure how I'm going to try ADB though. Looking at this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709220
I need access to my phone, and I can't get it. I might actually be doomed now. I'll keep researching. If anyone has tips, they're appreciated.
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adb is good to know. It'll let you edit your phone and manipulate it when it's connected to the computer. Very good if your screens broke, and it's quicker than just typing in commands on your phone. Assuming your device is detected, at least. Once you get it up and running, try the command
Code:
adb devices
Well it looks like it's detected. I'm at work, and while they block the USB ports so I can't do anything with the device it is saying "Hey you've connected something, it'll charge but you can't use it"
So hopefully when I get home I can ADB in and fix this nonsense.
I am a little confused why volume+power doesn't do anything, but oh well. Onward!
So I'm not super certain what I did. But I pushed volume and power until it booted, I now appear to be back to stock 2.2 thanks to the img PonsAsinorem linked -- but when I try and make a call it says verizon can't validate my phone.
They give a #8899 number to dial, but I want to ask here what's up before I call it and get an operator that's like "YOU ROOTED AND MESSED UP YOUR PHONE, DIE!" or something less or more severe
EDIT: Nevermind, I called anyway and it took 2 seconds for them to get it back on. I am back at stock 2.2 and working!
Ok, I have been looking for a solution to my problem, without any solution so far. I temp-rooted my phone with visionary. As soon as I rebooted my phone, the furthest I could get is the HTC load screen. I have set up every zip I could find in hopes that one would let me set my phone back to operational status. Nothing is working. Does anyone know what I can do to get back. If you need more information, please let me know.
Try the Q&A forum, which is the right place for questions like this
Can you get into recovery or fastboot? Try holding down the volume button while holding down power when powering on. Also, try holding the action button while holding the power button while powering on. If nothing happens then your almost out of luck. If you get fastbook (white screen with multicolored text as opposed to recoveries one color and black screen) you can adb push a rom onto your phone and fix it.
I didn't have a problem with visionary but I think my phone was rooted when I got it.
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Ok, I have been looking for a solution to my problem, without any solution so far. I temp-rooted my phone with visionary. As soon as I rebooted my phone, the furthest I could get is the HTC load screen. I have set up every zip I could find in hopes that one would let me set my phone back to operational status. Nothing is working. Does anyone know what I can do to get back. If you need more information, please let me know.
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There is a thread on how to restore stock via pc10.img I will try to find the link. Are you gfree rooted/s-off or just temp rooted?
Also, do you have the g2 or dz if the g2 where you ota or pre ota?
Edit: Read this post. Hope this helps!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842869
rUsTyRuSs said:
There is a thread on how to restore stock via pc10.img I will try to find the link. Are you gfree rooted/s-off or just temp rooted?
Also, do you have the g2 or dz if the g2 where you ota or pre ota?
Edit: Read this post. Hope this helps!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842869
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I am s-on. or at least I was. I have been following the link you sent me, but I cant do anything because it is constantly saying the device is offline. it was an ota g2.
Can you get into hboot ? With the phone off, hold Volume Down then press Power.
If you can get into hboot then at least you can flash a ROM from your SD card.
If you can get into recovery from hboot, then you can use adb from there, but you can't use adb if the phone is stuck at the startup logo.
Sometimes it seems that if you go into the stock recovery (when you see the screen with the red triangle, hold Volume Up and then press Power), you can try mounting everything you can to see if that makes a difference to being able to boot.
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Can you get into hboot ? With the phone off, hold Volume Down then press Power.
If you can get into hboot then at least you can flash a ROM from your SD card.
If you can get into recovery from hboot, then you can use adb from there, but you can't use adb if the phone is stuck at the startup logo.
Sometimes it seems that if you go into the stock recovery (when you see the screen with the red triangle, hold Volume Up and then press Power), you can try mounting everything you can to see if that makes a difference to being able to boot.
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ADB will not connect to my phone. It recognizes it, but says it is offline. How can I fix that issue?
I had the exact same problem and fixed it. Go into your hboot mode and do a factory reset from the phone.....I was stuck in a boot loop. I think I was s off at the time
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I have tried that to no avail. any other suggestions?
the.goodhumorman said:
I have tried that to no avail. any other suggestions?
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You still not have awnsered any questions from the above posts. Can you get into the HBoot screen (phone off, then volume-down+power)? If yes what does the first line say on the page with the skateboarding andriods? It should say VISION PVT SHIP(orENG) S-OFF(or S-ON)? What does it say?
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ADB will not connect to my phone. It recognizes it, but says it is offline. How can I fix that issue?
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adb won't work while the phone is stuck in the boot loop, I said that you need to get into recovery to be able to use adb. But as joemm said, we still need you to try the other stuff that you haven't commented on, i.e. getting into hboot in the first place.
S-ON with Vision PVT SHIP
This shouldnt be happening if he was just using a temp root. It might cause instability while the phone is on, but once it turns off the root is gone, the software is reset. Did you attempt to perm root with visionary? also, if he isnt rooted, the phone will be able to recover itself easily from the boot recovery. unless he doesnt have an sdcard with the recovery on it. also this all means that if he isnt perma rooted, he wont have a custom recovery.
Anyways, Pull the battery, press the powerbutton while holding the VOLUME DOWN key, use the volume keys to select recovery after it performs the test, and select restore phone or whatever it says in the orig recovery.
edit: dont forget to put the battery back in before you turn it on.
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adb won't work while the phone is stuck in the boot loop, I said that you need to get into recovery to be able to use adb. But as joemm said, we still need you to try the other stuff that you haven't commented on, i.e. getting into hboot in the first place.
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I was in recovery when it recognized it. It still says offline.
jenlow said:
This shouldnt be happening if he was just using a temp root. It might cause instability while the phone is on, but once it turns off the root is gone, the software is reset. Did you attempt to perm root with visionary? also, if he isnt rooted, the phone will be able to recover itself easily from the boot recovery. unless he doesnt have an sdcard with the recovery on it. also this all means that if he isnt perma rooted, he wont have a custom recovery.
Anyways, Pull the battery, press the powerbutton while holding the VOLUME DOWN key, use the volume keys to select recovery after it performs the test, and select restore phone or whatever it says in the orig recovery.
edit: dont forget to put the battery back in before you turn it on.
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the version of visionary that I had (r10) doesnt have the perm root option. Does visionary automatically update?
no visionary was taken off the market after version 10? i think. you'd need to have downloaded visionary from somewhere else to get version 11 or higher with the perm root. is the stock recovery working at all for you?
I don't believe it does. Updates were through different releases all the way to r14.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
jenlow said:
no visionary was taken off the market after version 10? i think. you'd need to have downloaded visionary from somewhere else to get version 11 or higher with the perm root. is the stock recovery working at all for you?
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It goes through the motions, but when I restart the phone, it is still stuck on the "wonderful" HTC screen.
Hey guys!
Now this happened for some time ago because i switched phone to my blackberry in anger over the brick of the Desire, and i can't remember exactly this happened!
I think i rooted it and then the screen suddently went blank when i started it.
Now i searched the web for looooong time, and also some threads in here, to find my golden answer - but nothing hat helped yet. But i got a wierd feeling in my stomach that i'm doing something wrong.
So since i can't do it myself i decided to wright to you, and hope that helps!
My HTC Desire is not branded.- at least im pretty sure it isn't!! There is no place it's physically branded. And it's bought in Denmark, and i don't think we've got branded phones here as in UK and USA
I've tried this guide because i saw some people had succes with it:
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You don't need to root or do anything unusual in order to apply the FroYo update, you only need that for custom recovery. It's not impossible to do with a broken screen, just do this:
1. Make sure the update.zip file is on your goldcard and correctly named.
2. Take the battery out first to ensure the phone is powered off. Then hold vol down and press the power button, and hold vol down for about 5 seconds. That will get you into the bootloader even though you can't see it.
3. Press vol down once. This will select recovery.
4. Press the power button once. This will start the recovery. The phone will vibrate briefly.
5. Wait 20 seconds or so. Then press vol up and the power button and wait a few seconds. You'll now be in system recovery.
6. Press vol down once to select 'apply sdcard:update.zip'.
7. Press the power button once to start the recovery.'' QUOTE END.
But nothing happens.
And i also tried Unrevoked3, but neither did that helped, it got stock at ''Waiting for root... (safe to restart if this doesn't work)''
I would really appreciate if you would take your time to help me today! Because i really want my HTC Desire back, because it is a really sweet phone after all
I know you guys are much more wiser to this than me, so i hope you got at magical form to solve this out.
So... when you boot holding the vol down key what happens?
Well the tricky part about it is that i can't see anything! But if i go into boot (atleast i think i do) i can push VOL- and then Power button, and then it vibrates briefly, so i think it's going in to recovery.
Right, try this...
Download this RUU (2.29.405.5):
http://www.multiupload.com/LEJCW182AH
Turn the phone off (remove the battery to be sure) and turn it on holding the BACK button. Hold back for about 5-10 seconds to be sure you're in FASTBOOT. Connect to the PC and assuming the drivers are installed wait a further 20 seconds
Then run the RUU. If you're unbranded it will install and should get you back up and running. If it completes and you still can't see anything the screen is dead and will need replacing
So what happens when you turn it on normally, vibrates and then you can't see anything? Maybe try this thread.
@EddyOS
Thank you!
I'm going to try the FASTBOOT right now! - i have slow internet, so i assume it's gonna take while to download the RUU - but i'll response the results here as quick as i can.
@TheGhost1233
Nothing happens, but i can see that there is light in the screen, because it turns slightly light-darker.
Also when i powered up the phone i can lock it up with my fingers and still use my touch, so it's not the ''touch'' function that there is broken.
touch is seperate to the screen anyway, lets hope its not a hardware fault and can be fixed! post your results
I'm trying with another RUU i have - while im downloading the on you've linked to - 8RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.09.405.8_Radio_32.43.00.32U_5.09.00.20_release_140022_signed is the one i'm trying with right now.
When i start the desire with holder down Volume (DOWN) and Power button for 5 seconds, and then plug the phone into USB there comes an jingle on my computer(which always appears when connecting any phone) but then it wont find more.
I can't see the device in ''My computer'' ?
And i get the ERROR [170] Connecting Error?
That's an old RUU so use the one I linked to
This is what i'm doing now:
Volume- and power in 5 seconds.
Plug the USB cable to the phone. (Now i can hear ''dy-dy'' from my computer, which means that my computer has detected a hardware. BUT i can't find the phone's SD Card in ''My computer'' - should i could do this?
But in my Applications i can find it under ''Special applications'' - i think i will translate i too - as ''Android 1.0''.
Now i run the RUU which you've linked to, but then i geat Connectin Error 170.
hmm?
You should be holding BACK, not volume down, when you turn it on as you need to be in FASTBOOT not HBOOT to run an RUU
Lol okay, i feel like a morron now, sorry for not have seen this.
But i still get the error 170, usb connection error!
Do i need to install HTC Sync? I've uninstalled it for the sake of unrevoked3.
And is there another way to do this? Over the phone exclusively maybe - if my USB connection fails all the time.
No you don't need HTC Sync. Sounds like you've USB-bricked the phone. You could try extracting out the PB99IMG.zip from the RUU and flash it that way but as you can't see what you're doing it's hard
And how can i see which HBOOT i got? Just want to check regarding to this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=748498
Haven't a clue, doens't matter as the RUU I posted is the newest one so will work regardless
Oh, okay.
Well i'm trying to flash PB99IMG now. I'm just hoping im doing it right allthough i can't see anything.
I'm doing as following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucBs9RVGL0w
You don't flash it like a custom ROM. You get the PB99IMG.zip from the ROM, copy it to the root of the SD card and then turn on into HBOOT. The phone will then find it and ask if you want to flash it - say yes and that's it!
Oh okay. Just from the ROM you've linked to me?
And can you remember how to say yes, just power button?
Normally it says press up for to continue but I can't remember off the top of my head
EDIT: Yep, volume up to start
Thanks mate, i'll keep on trying various of thing.
I am using a rooted EVO 4G gingerbread with clockworkmod
Current symptoms are as follows:
Boots into a blank screen (backlight is on, but nothing on the screen at all)
Vibrates once you turn it on, but nothing after that.
Stays there until I pull the battery.
Occasionally vibrates twice and a green light will start to blink above the screen.
Tapping power still toggles the screen and backlit buttons when in this state.
Throughout today it's gone through several different symptoms.
At first it was stuck on the quickboot screen doing nothing, but the buttons were completely unresponsive. It would sometimes also constantly vibrate. I took out the battery for awhile and it would just show the screen again when I put it back in and tried to boot.
When I got home later that day, it stopped doing that, but just would refuse to boot at all. It would sometimes show the white screen and just be stuck there unless i pulled the battery out. Now it's doing the symptoms I posted in the beginning.
Any ideas on what's going on and how to fix this?
Can you get into Hboot? If you can you can RUU and hopefully that will do something.
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Can you get into Hboot? If you can you can RUU and hopefully that will do something.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA Premium App
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Thank you for the reply
No I cannot get into HBoot, it literally just boots up (whether or not I'm holding the volume down button or not) into the blank screen I described.
Reioumu said:
Thank you for the reply
No I cannot get into HBoot, it literally just boots up (whether or not I'm holding the volume down button or not) into the blank screen I described.
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Turn off your device and then remove the battery AND the SD card. Wait about 30 seconds and then re-insert the card and battery. Now simultaneously press the DOWN volume button and the power button until the device starts. You *should* be taken to the HBOOT screen. If so, select 'recovery' from the menu and then go from there. I suggest a re-wipe and re-flash of your rom.
If you still cannot get to the HBOOT screen or recovery, download one of the RUUs from my signature, specifically one with an .exe extension and run it from within Windows while your device is connected to your PC via USB.
Still nothing. Thanks though.
I think I have to just return and get another phone... I haven't seen this error anywhere. I removed the microSD card for about a minute, put everything back in, still tried to boot in recovery (vol- and power) didn't work. I tried one of the RUU .exe and no good, when the phone was on, the program didn't recognize that my phone was there or something. Afterward, I tried the other RUU link where you have to drag files, coudln't see anything when I tried to boot in recovery still.
This is looking like i have to get a new phone
new symptom. Just vibrated 5 times. Longer than normal too.
HELP
Reioumu, what did you do?
i have this exact same problem and im freaking out. any suggestions?
same symptoms...with 5 vibrations and need for a battery pull.
EVO 4G
CYANOGEN MOD 7.1 RC
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-2.10.0001
I can get into hboot (by pressing vol-down + power)
I cannot get into recovery.
It splashes to the white htc evo screen, then flicker of the LED, 5 vibrates, and a black screen.
i was backuping my system using ROM MANAGER. When i turned on the phone, it couldnt detect the SD card. When i rebooted all the issues you described started to happen.
I'm at wit's end. I did a bunch of googling on the issue. "vibrate 5 times black screen evo" and there seems to be some sort of fix but i dont understand how to implement any of it. I got as far as installing the Android SDK but cant get fastboot to work. The issue seems to be with the USB port AND the SD card detection.
I was planning to just give up and give it to Sprint to fix but the rep said i need to unroot it before i send it to them. [email protected]#[email protected]#. I cant do that without recovery!
Something has gone very wrong with my HBOOT.
Whenever my phone starts, it always goes into HBOOT without pressing any keys.
In HBOOT, I cannot press any key, so I can't get into Fastboot
I was able to get out of it once by running "ADB reboot", at which point I put a stock ROM back on, which slightly downgraded HBOOT from 0.85.0024 to 0.85.0007, but when I rebooted I was right back into HBOOT, only now I can't detect the phone in ADB, so I can't reboot it from there.
So I'm stuck on the HBOOT screen, and all I can currently do is auto run a pd98img.zip file, but I don't know what to try auto-run. Can I restore an S-off boot using a file, or do I need to use the ace root kit?
Noblelox said:
Something has gone very wrong with my HBOOT.
Whenever my phone starts, it always goes into HBOOT without pressing any keys.
In HBOOT, I cannot press any key, so I can't get into Fastboot
I was able to get out of it once by running "ADB reboot", at which point I put a stock ROM back on, which slightly downgraded HBOOT from 0.85.0024 to 0.85.0007, but when I rebooted I was right back into HBOOT, only now I can't detect the phone in ADB, so I can't reboot it from there.
So I'm stuck on the HBOOT screen, and all I can currently do is auto run a pd98img.zip file, but I don't know what to try auto-run. Can I restore an S-off boot using a file, or do I need to use the ace root kit?
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If your phone goes straight to hboot then seems that your volume rocker might be broken or stuck. Check that first. If you can not navigate in hboot could be a corrupted sdcard, so take it off and try booting again. If your volume rocker is messed, then try fixing that first otherwise success might be difficult. :good:
glevitan said:
If your phone goes straight to hboot then seems that your volume rocker might be broken or stuck. Check that first. If you can not navigate in hboot could be a corrupted sdcard, so take it off and try booting again. If your volume rocker is messed, then try fixing that first otherwise success might be difficult. :good:
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Strangest thing.. you were right about the volume rocker, but it was a weird problem. Several months ago, I had replaced my battery with a 2000mha one and it has worked well until now, but as I was getting ready to get the phone repaired, I swapped back to the stock battery, and the rocker came back to life! Who knew. So I am back and re-rooting and rom'ing as we speak
Noblelox said:
Strangest thing.. you were right about the volume rocker, but it was a weird problem. Several months ago, I had replaced my battery with a 2000mha one and it has worked well until now, but as I was getting ready to get the phone repaired, I swapped back to the stock battery, and the rocker came back to life! Who knew. So I am back and re-rooting and rom'ing as we speak
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Yeah, weirdness happens...:silly: Glad your phone is back. I guess that the replacement battery was too big for the space in the phone....
Glad you are back..:good: