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Devs, n00bs, seniors, everyone. Please calm down.
N00bs..read before you post. This is a big cause to recent drama. I read a thread today and the same question was asked and answered on like3 straight pages... this is not called for.
Devs please consider the level of readiness before posting a Rom. My fav developer makes his Rom as close to bug free by having about 10 guys test the Rom before he releases it. Doing this would cut back on n00b questions and stupid posts. I love all you work this is just an idea.
Everyone else please don't fight and make things worse. Help the n00bs with links to forum rules and such.
I make all these mistakes too. But we need to fix it. We are losing our community.
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I'll add to this a bit if you don't mind. Any noobs feel free to pm me whatever the question may be and I will try to help. There is no sense starting a new thread because 99%of the time the question has been answered and i honestly I like to help. I don't have time to develop so this is my attempt to give back to a community I got a lot out of. I may not have your answer but will most likely be able to send you in the right direction and knipp is extremely helpful and knowledgeable as well. I personally don't care but don't post a thread like help plz I bricked my phone in the dev section unless you have a pair of flame retardant pants. Look bottom line is I'm here to help if anyone needs it
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Also knipp what do you think about starting a kind of all in one place thread similar to what's stickied in the dev section only a little more recent and updated with an faq? I don't know how many times I posted the gingerbread ruu for people recently. If you don't have the time I can do it or certainly help at the very least. Just wanted to get your opinion on this matter
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knipp21 said:
Devs please consider the level of readiness before posting a Rom. My fav developer makes his Rom as close to bug free by having about 10 guys test the Rom before he releases it. Doing this would cut back on n00b questions and stupid posts. I love all you work this is just an idea.
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This. It's extremely refreshing when a dev spends good time creating a ROM for a phone. It's nice to be handed a ROM that has been tested and is essentially bug free. I praise the guys that do that, and the guys that stick to their work. Doing it for fun rather than for money.
Of course I'm not expecting a good ROM to fall into our laps, I do like to follow projects from start to finish just as long as the dev(s) are working solely on that project - Like Cyanogen.

I agree about posting ROMs that are fully tested.. but then only 10 or so get to enjoy the ROM until it's stable. It's nice having everyone give feedback because 100 testers is better than 10. But I 100% agree with you, we need to get this community back on track, and we as users can help indefinitely.
We need to remember, not too long ago we we n00bs. I didn't even know what an .apk was. Now I know how to edit and decompile .apks.
Let's help to make this a fun and sharing community again.

oxlong27 said:
Also knipp what do you think about starting a kind of all in one place thread similar to what's stickied in the dev section only a little more recent and updated with an faq? I don't know how many times I posted the gingerbread ruu for people recently. If you don't have the time I can do it or certainly help at the very least. Just wanted to get your opinion on this matter
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Great idea. I'm in a radar class all week so I can't do it but if anyone wants to that would be awesome. I hope our mod will sticky it.
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Ill start work on it tonight when the kids are in bed. If anyone has any useful links or anything in general you think should be there feel free to pm me
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oxlong27 said:
Ill start work on it tonight when the kids are in bed. If anyone has any useful links or anything in general you think should be there feel free to pm me
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Include the fact you can't use sense programs on aosp roms. And other stuff lol
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Haha ill put that in bold. Hlp plzzz flashed tiamat on skyraider and i can haz no wifi. Hahahahahahah
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Yes, you have to wipe.

Hey guys im not gonna get to starr the all in one thread tonight my son is crazy sick and cant sleep. Ill start tomorrow night, meanwhile shoot me some suggestions on what you think should be included
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Broken ICS roms cluttering dev section

Is it just me or is there a sudden surge of broken ICS roms being released that don't rework? Am I the only person that find this annoying and cluttering the dev section. I mean I don't know about you guys but I don't wasn't to have to wade through countless broken roms to get to a working one. I mean what's the point of releasing something that doesn't even have basic functionality? You'r thoughts guys?
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Android Policeman said:
Is it just me or is there a sudden surge of broken ICS roms being released that don't rework? Am I the only person that find this annoying and cluttering the dev section. I mean I don't know about you guys but I don't wasn't to have to wade through countless broken roms to get to a working one. I mean what's the point of releasing something that doesn't even have basic functionality? You'r thoughts guys?
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Well, you see, they are previews. Other developers can get them as well, work on them, and all the devs work on the same project and it's most likly to be finished faster.

It's almost like they are in the development section because they are still being developed.

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It's almost like they are in the development section because they are still being developed.
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OP is right. There should be closed QA process with closed Betas and maybe a carrier approval process.

goldfingerfif said:
It's almost like they are in the development section because they are still being developed.
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What?! That's an April fools joke, right? Cause there's no way those can still have work being done on them. I thought ROMs with no signal and odd auto rotations were normal.
On a more serious note I don't mind all the ICS ROMs in the dev section, as said they are still being worked on it's not like they drop 'em and abandon development on them. The devs will get a working kernel whether it's with T989 ICS source when it drops or not but I can only imagine how much time something like that can take even though it may seem simple to some
Now if it was just 1 dev crapping out the same threads I'd say that's cluttering up space

Android Policeman said:
Is it just me or is there a sudden surge of broken ICS roms being released that don't rework? Am I the only person that find this annoying and cluttering the dev section. I mean I don't know about you guys but I don't wasn't to have to wade through countless broken roms to get to a working one. I mean what's the point of releasing something that doesn't even have basic functionality? You'r thoughts guys?
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That's what I have been saYing! Pointless Garbage ICS Broken Roms!
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alphadog32 said:
Well, you see, they are previews. Other developers can get them as well, work on them, and all the devs work on the same project and it's most likly to be finished faster.
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I might agree if they weren't just kangs of a non working base. Atleast use one that you can make calls from imo. A rom that you can make calls from might make more sense. All I'm seeing is people taking raver x's base and retheming it. Meh I guess it is what it is lol!
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Android Policeman said:
I might agree if they weren't just kangs of a non working base. Atleast use one that you can make calls from imo. A rom that you can make calls from might make more sense. All I'm seeing is people taking raver x's base and retheming it. Meh I guess it is what it is lol!
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You dont know what youre talking about because xravers rom is AOSP and all the other ICS Roms are not AOSP.
EDIT: I guess you are referring to the MIUI port since its the only AOSP base ICS rom.
a) thats an alpha of a MIUI port ie nobody promised for it to be fully working
b) xraver was looking for someone else to take that project on.

Android Policeman said:
Is it just me or is there a sudden surge of broken ICS roms being released that don't rework? Am I the only person that find this annoying and cluttering the dev section. I mean I don't know about you guys but I don't wasn't to have to wade through countless broken roms to get to a working one. I mean what's the point of releasing something that doesn't even have basic functionality? You'r thoughts guys?
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That's the whole point of the 'development' section. XDA was meant to be a website for developers to help each other develop. The influx of smartphone availability brought people like you thinking the world revolves around them and every dev caters to what they want. That's why the moderators are so anal about people not posting things related to development within the development threads.
Mods, please delete this thread. Ego-centric newbie that doesn't understand the purpose of the forum.

Android Policeman said:
Is it just me or is there a sudden surge of broken ICS roms being released that don't rework? Am I the only person that find this annoying and cluttering the dev section. I mean I don't know about you guys but I don't wasn't to have to wade through countless broken roms to get to a working one. I mean what's the point of releasing something that doesn't even have basic functionality? You'r thoughts guys?
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Besides the MIUI and AOSP (lack data but still being worked on) the other ICS roms are not broken they work fine minus a bug here and there (auto rotation)
So no I do not see it cluttered

Melon_Bread said:
Besides the MIUI and AOSP (lack data but still being worked on) the other ICS roms are not broken they work fine minus a bug here and there (auto rotation)
So no I do not see it cluttered
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Agreed
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Well, that is what you get coming to a development site, expecting to be spoon fed a working ROM as soon as you get here ...
This is not Pimpmyphone.com it is a development site, I don't think it is all the ICS ROMs that are the clutter, I think it is all the NOOBS and people who don't care to learn that are cluttering up the place ...

What the hell are you talking about broken.The only true issue with the i.c.s roms is the auto rotation.That is a kernel issue and is being worked on.In my option these i.c.s roms run better than some G.B.roms IMO.People everyday posted about i.c.s Leak or TMobile said that about it or I'm reading about it's coming.Well we are here,let's help these guys produce the best product for our phones.
FROM A GALAXY BETTER THAN YOURS.

xda-developers

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Is that an April fools joke? I have been going to xda-fullyworkingroms and it redirects me here now. Damn these devs that can't get leaked roms without source code working in a week. Foxconn wouldn't allow this, back to the XDA dormatories.

Were cluttering xda with more cry baby topics. If you read the descriptions you will see the bugs, no questions asked. Grow up or get an iphone.
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Why don't you appreciate what you have? You try to get make a AOSP build. Or an AOSP build from a TouchWIZ kernel. Or at least modify framework.jar or Res to get stuff working. You haven't done any of that. You will see how hard it is. Just enjoy the little things.

What the... The OP was probably the one crying about that we don't have ICS...now we have it and people still complain. it hasn't been out that long. relax and let the Dev's develop the ROM in the development section....sheesh!
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You ungrateful child.

Its kids like this that end up causing devs to abandon their roms... its so sad. I hope the original poster may learn what exactly xda is about. We are a development community. There should never be closed locked betas. Developers share their work to everybody so we can all make progress. No matter what phone it is never ever criticize the developers who are making YOUR phone better.
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PLEASE MAKE A MOVE THREAD BUTTON FOR OPs

We need this more than anything
Looking around xda seeing loads of locked threads and threads asking for help in the development section are just...annoying. And they look bad on the op.
If users were given the option to move there threads to the general section of that forum we could save moderator time and people the embarrassment of a little mistake. It would make sense to grant only the OP this option (and mods) and maybe a report move button that would inform a mod or do an automatic public vote.
This would also allow users with more....neglected forums (such as the Wildfire S to be able to have control over their forum where mods can't due to man power)
Come on xda, let's see this happen.
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Why give members that power when they can simply post it in the proper section
*Ba dum tss
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cdesai said:
Why give members that power when they can simply post it in the proper section
*Ba dum tss
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And how many times have people not done this?
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Just report them and let your friendly Mods handle it. That's what we're here for

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Just report them and let your friendly Mods handle it. That's what we're here for
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Ah but if only the wildfire s forum wasn't so ignored.
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benjamingwynn said:
Ah but if only the wildfire s forum wasn't so ignored.
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I wouldn't say ignored Your FSM has seven fora to look after, a couple of which would class as high activity.
Oh. Also, that's Shen from XDA TV so he is definitely a busy fella!
Do you report often? I notice CTM has said in the very forum that you are welcome to PM him with queries.

Its not gonna happen but I will add it to my favs and check in now and then and try to keep it cleaned
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zelendel said:
Its not gonna happen but I will add it to my favs and check in now and then and try to keep it cleaned
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Being a senior mod sure is hard work huh?
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great

DarkhShadow said:
Being a senior mod sure is hard work huh?
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Almost as hard as being a user.

DarkhShadow said:
Being a senior mod sure is hard work huh?
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Well let me see. Subscribed to over 3500 threads that i get emails update on every day, around 600 pms on a slow day about issues, and 6 hours of cleaning up after people. Thats even before i do anything for my device. So yeah it can be but it is a labor of love.

Do you know how much trouble that would cause? If they cant get it right the first time, who's to say they will the next?

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Do you know how much trouble that would cause? If they cant get it right the first time, who's to say they will the next?
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Couldn't be any worse than it is now. Hell half the time the mods aren't in agreement on where a thread goes. It happens a lot and it has happened to me. I post. Some mod moves it. Another mod sees it and thinks it is the wrong place and closes the thread! Lol

zelendel said:
Well let me see. Subscribed to over 3500 threads that i get emails update on every day, around 600 pms on a slow day about issues, and 6 hours of cleaning up after people. Thats even before i do anything for my device. So yeah it can be but it is a labor of love.
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And we appreciate it
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i would love to see this too. i mistakenly post stuff sometimes and want to move stuff. i just became a senior member and would eventually like to become a mod and developer. moving threads is becoming a must for me. it would be awesome to see what i can do, but need to learn the basics.

This would likely cause more issues than it would solve. Right now the system works pretty well - if you post in the wrong forum you can always report your own thread and ask for it to be moved.

Noobs, trolls and Know-it-alls......

Once again they ruined it for us all! R.I.P. to the Frosty JB rom thread. It will be missed. Salute.
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Can not believe that crap. DJ gave us thr on ly rom I truly liked, and little childish crap forced him to close his thread. He came back to us once. Not going to happen this time. Will sure mis my regular frosty updates
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akindbro4u said:
Can not believe that crap. DJ gave us thr on ly rom I truly liked, and little childish crap forced him to close his thread. He came back to us once. Not going to happen this time. Will sure mis my regular frosty updates
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I'm gonna miss them as well. Smdh. I'm currently looking for a new rom for my S3.... sad but true.
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That really shows the type of people that go through the forums. Once they installed their first 2 or 3 roms and kernels, and looked through 4 pages of android development, they feel they know everything. I really wish dj could leak that final Frosty rom update one day...
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And all over battery life. Mine us great, but even have had bad days where battery just drained. To many factors to say its the rom. And why argue it there. I dont undersrand sone people. They just want a fight.
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It was the fact that 5 people were commenting on the same darn thing that wasn't even related to the rom. That's what PMing is for bros.
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I agree. I was using Wicked for a long time and decided to give Frosty a try, and I loved it. I have been using it for a few weeks now and I also have great battery life with it. I will keep using it for a while. Hopefully DJ will come back.

What was the persons name that insulted DJ, I'll get 'em... I think DJ will be back, he loves this way too much, one way or another he'll be back.
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I couldn't post on the original tred and I wanted to say that frosty rom is the smoothest rom of all for me with no problems at all of any kind and I tried them all. It behaves the way just I want it. Thank you Mr. Dev and god bless you.
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bigtom624 said:
I agree. I was using Wicked for a long time and decided to give Frosty a try, and I loved it. I have been using it for a few weeks now and I also had great battery life with it. I will keep using it for a while. Hopefully DJ will come back.
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Same here man frosty was my favorite rom. I didn't even realize this happened until I just saw this thread. Major bummer
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So he took his ball and went home. Don't worry about the thousands that love your work and your ROM (myself included by the way), just the handful that criticize it.

Aerowinder said:
So he took his ball and went home. Don't worry about the thousands that love your work and your ROM (myself included by the way), just the handful that criticize it.
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Bold words that speak the truth in a harsh way. Wurd!!!!
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I am saddened by what has gone down. I remember a time when post where constructive and not a pissing match. Unfortunately with more and more people come here and join the chances of this happening grows.
I know the frustration of seeing someone complain about something know to be issues or someone thinking it's a problem with the rom when no one else has issues. Just remember we where all noobs at one time or another and remember that one person that helped you out with something vs the person that flamed you for not knowing.
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jenaltals said:
That really shows the type of people that go through the forums. Once they installed their first 2 or 3 roms and kernels, and looked through 4 pages of android development, they feel they know everything. I really wish dj could leak that final Frosty rom update one day...
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I'm seeing the same thing happening in other development threads, and my fear is that it's going to force the XDA mods to lock the entire site to developers only.

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I'm seeing the same thing happening in other development threads, and my fear is that it's going to force the XDA mods to lock the entire site to developers only.
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Nooooooooo!!! Hope not. I've been using XDA forever. I'm not a Dev or a noob, but I contribute my findings and help when I can!
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I'm seeing the same thing happening in other development threads, and my fear is that it's going to force the XDA mods to lock the entire site to developers only.
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They should! Lol 80 percent of these people dont even know what root means
Rule #1 Respect the Devs. Rule #2 Refer back to Rule #1

scooter247 said:
I am saddened by what has gone down. I remember a time when post where constructive and not a pissing match. Unfortunately with more and more people come here and join the chances of this happening grows.
I know the frustration of seeing someone complain about something know to be issues or someone thinking it's a problem with the rom when no one else has issues. Just remember we where all noobs at one time or another and remember that one person that helped you out with something vs the person that flamed you for not knowing.
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I was that at one point also, when the G1 came out and JesusFreke was making roms, and people had to use ADB to obtain root and be able to flash things. I learned since then and read and read and read. The problem now a days is that most don't care to read a little, or at all. Most of the questions asked in a thread are answered, or been discussed, or don't even belong in the dev section. This is extremely aggravating to the devs, or themers, when they right up a huge OP and no one uses it, and just clutters up their dev thread with useless questions and/or nonconstructive criticism. I don't blame him for quitting or locking the thread, if people feel it's at its prime, then leave it alone and don't touch it anymore. Most of the TouchWiz roms have the best version yet to come, or they came and went a while ago. Most of the mods they incorporated are flashable on your own, anyways. Thank him and respect decisions, or use one of the other 10+ TouchWiz roms.

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I'm seeing the same thing happening in other development threads, and my fear is that it's going to force the XDA mods to lock the entire site to developers only.
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Haha don't exaggerate while there are a few dummies out there, most of us are well behave at the end of the day we are the consumers.
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Jesusfreke was the pioneer of modding for Android. Without him I believe that we would not be as far with android as devs, manufacturers, or even android its self.
Look at thouchwiz its self with the toggles in the notification Window. This came from cm. We the community can end up pushing for devs with true innovation to go back underground where their work is not seen in mass people, Google, or manufacturers. Then android may end up missing what could become greatness all for petty arguments. I follow one such dev in a private forum and it's a shame he was forced to by thing like this.
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Hey guys,
I let this thread go for awhile (I was logged on when he created it) and you all have said your piece/peace, in an almost professional manner which I for one appreciate very much. But now it is time for this OT thread to be closed. I do invite you to the Official OT thread to continue this discussion, as a few have already been doing.
Thanks you for being civil about it, but the time for this thread has expired.
Wood

Spoiled Chidren Ruining XDA

I have noticed a rash of rude and uncalled for comments lately. Here is a little advice for noobs.
Trolling or Fishing on a Devs thread is childish. How old are you? 12? They take their spare time to develop roms, mods, hacks etc. and give them to us for free. Making comments such as "This rom sucks" is just wrong. If you do not like the rom, don't use it. Respect is earned on this site.
When needing help, please search for the answer first. If you cannot find a good enough explanation, then ask the question politely. Include as much information as possible. Phone code name, Hboot version, S-On or S-Off, What rom you are using etc. I know some people will tag it at the bottom but put it in the description of the question as well. It is hard enough to help someone without having to figure out what kind of phone they have too. Be polite. Hit the thanks button. It is free and does not hurt at all. Remember that XDA is a developers site. They invited you here to share their work with you freely. Senior members help a lot of people on a daily basis and you should keep in mind that they get tired of answering the same question or fixing the same problem. Being polite and keeping your cool will get them to help you a lot faster and things will go alot smoother.
Thanks,
Venomtester
HTC OneX Evita. S-Off. ViperXL Elemental-X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwleOote5M0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Reminds me of living this out a couple times in real life.
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Ironically you posted this in the wrong section.

I think there's a distinction to be made between children and just idiots...

Wanted noobs to see it. They start here first.
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Mister J said:
Ironically you posted this in the wrong section.
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It'll last longer here. In general it would last maybe 20min= mod lock. But you right Lol
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Sheesh, not another one of these threads. The noobs you're talking about create problems because they never read before posting and complaining, thus they won't read this thread.

I'm a noob. I read it. I really need a social life.
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I'm a noob. I read it.
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See sig line.

we do get alot of these threads actually. we should make a "thread of shame" but make sure it is made a sticky.
since im ocpd i go through every single evita thread every couple months. =) sometimes i bump old things.
edit: decided to go through One X Android Development just now
i like a clean house
i wish i was a forum mod, cause i see tons of threads that need to be moved and/or locked or both, like the threads that needed to be moved in the dev sections that were just closed but never moved, or were moved but still say "Moved: " in original posted forum.
was this Xperia Z rom port please! not moved but closed in case a dev would see it and want to port it?
why do some threads say "Moved: " but still show up in it's original location? back when the new rules of threads with no downloads can't be in dev section many of those seem show up as "Moved: " which seems beneficial as they originally hinted at dev usage but didn't exactly conform to the rules of that section so seeing them in both places might be helpful?

XDA is just a subset of society.
In society, there are nice people, not so nice people, smart folk, idiots etc.
There will always be a mix of all types here, and while venting about noobs probably makes you feel a little better for a short time, the fact is it isn't going to change a thing.
My advice is just accept that it is how it is. Maybe have another beer and everything will seem just that little bit better.

cr1960 said:
Maybe have another beer and everything will seem just that little bit better.
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A nice hit off a bong will do justice also

a box of kittens said:
A nice hit off a bong will do justice also
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Here here!

a box of kittens said:
A nice hit off a bong will do justice also
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You need to unlock your bowlloader first.

I took your advice and I must say..... Anybody know the number for Domino's? I'm suddenly very hungry.
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A topic about kids ruining xda and suddenly everyone is talking about smoking weed. Absolutely stunning.
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Just horrible that devils weed
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ECEXCURSION said:
A topic about kids ruining xda and suddenly everyone is talking about smoking weed. Absolutely stunning.
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This.

I never said kids were ruining xda. I'm talking about childish behavior. Kinda like what we are doing now. Everybody drinking and smoking. Cats and dogs living together. Just plain craziness.
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Cats suck.