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Do i NEED a Class 6 Micro SDHC Card

Hello all,
Ive got a spare 16GB Micro SDHC card which i have swapped for the stock 2GB version that came with the Desire, but it is only a Class 2.
Having read that its best to use Class 6, should i shell out £50 for a new one, or will i not notice a difference in class ?

Dunno - I'm using a class 2 16gb card myself and I don't notice much slowdown if at all. I'm surprised these things haven't come down in price after two years... key thing is do you notice any slowdown with apps that access the SD card? like I say, I haven't thus far...
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i read somwhere that class 4 is enough coz the phones do not support hihger speeds. class 6 will help you if you will take card to the card reader straight to the computer... it think

hot-fuzz said:
... Having read that its best to use Class 6 ...
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Where have you read that, please?

tomeeq12 said:
i read somwhere that class 4 is enough coz the phones do not support hihger speeds. class 6 will help you if you will take card to the card reader straight to the computer... it think
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Thats what i ......... think. Im sure it only matters if its connected to the PC, and in that case i dont care.
I read it on another forum that i wont link too
Class 6 are almost double the price of Class 2.

You don't NEED to get one, I did use a Class 2 card for a few days and didn't have any problems.
Personally I am using a Class 6 now, as I regularly transfer a lot of big media files onto the card, so the extra speed is worth it for me.
If you don't fancy forking out though, you don't have to.

I totally agree, My desire came with a 4gb sandisk class memory card which I initially assumed was class 4 until I took the card out yesterday...connecting the desire to my pc and switching to usb drive mode, i am able to transfer my movies etc to the memory at +/- 8Meg per sec which is more than adequate enough for me...I was about to get a 16gb one but was thinking of getting the class 6 one until i discovered the one I currently have is class 2, so I just made up my mind and went for a class 2 16gb, saved me money....

They only refer to the write speed of the card, i came from a 8gb class 6 and now have a 16gb class 2 and notice no difference, only difference is the write speed from pc to card.
Even though i got a class 2 i still see 4-6mb/s so happy enough with that.

I have a class 10 16Gb card in phone. Read and write speeds seem to be limited to around 8Mb per second (copying uncompressed music). Using an adapter, the computer is able to copy at 14Mb+ using the same card.

They just seem a big outlay for nothing to me, lets face it the only big write time is when you transfer everything across from your previous card once the stuff is on there the write times really won't be much of a problem.

The main reason you will find people suggesting class 6 and above SD cards is due to "Apps to SD". For the Newbies "Apps to SD" or A2SD is a modification that has been done on most android phones (though not the desire at time of writing) which allows the Apps you download to be stored on the SD card rather than the phones limited internal memory. I am not sure if it makes a huge difference to the faster processor phones, but in the G1 days it was noticeable. For just moving music and pictures about it isn't really important to have a faster card and we may have to wait a while for A2SD anyway. I will pop over to the N1 forum and see if they can shed some light on this.

Anyone using a microSD 16GB Class 4, if so are they any good? I'm looking at buying one for the Desire. Also where's the best place to get a deal on one of these card?

[Q] Why class 6 SD card?

Hi all,
I've read in a few places that if you want to run apps from your SD card that you should have a class 6 SD card. Can anyone explain why this is? I've currently got the one that came with the phone, which is class 2. Just want to understand why I need it before splashing out the cash
Thanks

It's all about speed. Class 6 is faster than Class 4 is faster than Class 2. If you are happy with the performance with your Class 2 card, no need to splash out the cash.

yeah its just about speed, the higher the class the faster the r/w speed, you dont really need a class 6 these days tho, maybe in the old days of the g1/hero but not now

There's quite a bit of discussion on this and I'm honestly quite confused over this as well.
The higher classes just means faster write speeds but same read speeds. Certainly, this shouldn't affect the performance of apps that are installed on the card; unless the card is being used for swap memory.
Anyway, I've heard some users with 32GB microSD card (only available in class 2) using app2sd with no ill-effects. I've recently purchased one myself and will be swapping it out later tonight.

newbie on Android here.....may I ask....Im currently using a 16Gb mem card....If I change it to a 32Gb, what are the files that I need to copy to the new card, so that the apps/games currently installed will still run? I noticed there are so many folders inside my memory card now.....which one should I transfer to my new card? Or should I need to re-install the apps?
thanks..

dinoalbert said:
newbie on Android here.....may I ask....Im currently using a 16Gb mem card....If I change it to a 32Gb, what are the files that I need to copy to the new card, so that the apps/games currently installed will still run? I noticed there are so many folders inside my memory card now.....which one should I transfer to my new card? Or should I need to re-install the apps?
thanks..
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are you using apps2sd? or just running a stock like rom?

9 out of 10 users on this website would not be able to tell the difference in speed by running apps on a class 4 or class 6 cards.

AndroHero said:
are you using apps2sd? or just running a stock like rom?
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I am using an OTA Froyo but already rooted....

Before the usual flamers get to write on this topic to say high-class cards are useless, it really comes down I think to the time you have available to wait for USB transfers. On a class 2 it takes AGES. I bought a class10 16gb and it's an absolute life changer (i do have a lot of public transport so I make heavy use of my phone as a video player)

phentex said:
Before the usual flamers get to write on this topic to say high-class cards are useless, it really comes down I think to the time you have available to wait for USB transfers. On a class 2 it takes AGES. I bought a class10 16gb and it's an absolute life changer (i do have a lot of public transport so I make heavy use of my phone as a video player)
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Another reason to have a class 4 or faster card in the phone is to have reliable 720p 25fps video recording. On my Class 2 with a2sd+ recording stutters.

thanks for the responses. from what i read previously, it talked about class 6 cards being less likely to be unmounted and causing problems to running applications. does this mean anything to anyone?!

Kashban said:
Another reason to have a class 4 or faster card in the phone is to have reliable 720p 25fps video recording. On my Class 2 with a2sd+ recording stutters.
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This is the reason when I eventually get the money I'll be getting a 16GB class 4 or 6 card. At the moment 720p is fairly pointless to me since I can't get smooth recordings with my SD card.

Have no issues with my 16Gb Class-2 sdcard. R/W speed enough to handle 720p recording and rockplayer playing avis perfectly.
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iLHaNroID said:
Have no issues with my 16Gb Class-2 sdcard. R/W speed enough to handle 720p recording and rockplayer playing avis perfectly.
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Are you running A2SD or a2sd+ on your phone? If not, that may be the reason.
The more apps and widgets and stuff is moved to the sd, the more r/w-access happens to the card, which has serious impact on video recording. I really wish the internal memory of the Desire wasn't so small. What the heck did HTC think by putting only 560 MByte internal storage into their android flagship? The SGS has 5 GiBytes!

jstegeman said:
It's all about speed. Class 6 is faster than Class 4 is faster than Class 2. If you are happy with the performance with your Class 2 card, no need to splash out the cash.
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Incorrect!
The class of the card doesn't tell you the speed of a card - it tells you the *minimum* sustained write speed on a card which is completely unfragmented
A good quality class 2 card can and often will be faster than a poor quality class 6 card.
The two Sandisk Class 2 card I use both write at around 7.5mb/s, which is faster than the class 6 minimums.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Incorrect!
The class of the card doesn't tell you the speed of a card - it tells you the *minimum* sustained write speed on a card which is completely unfragmented
A good quality class 2 card can and often will be faster than a poor quality class 6 card.
The two Sandisk Class 2 card I use both write at around 7.5mb/s, which is faster than the class 6 minimums.
Regards,
Dave
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That's interesting info! Would explain why I have far fewer problems than most people report with 720p recording onto my class2 card.
So the real answer is: Benchmark your write speed before making any big purchasing decisions on SD cards.

Kashban said:
Another reason to have a class 4 or faster card in the phone is to have reliable 720p 25fps video recording. On my Class 2 with a2sd+ recording stutters.
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so a class 4 good enough for 720p? i have a class 2 right now and the recording is just horrible.. i thought that my phone was broken and have changed many custom roms

Bought a C6 16gb to replace C2 4Gb - definitely faster as USB drive - both Sandisk

[Q] SD card speed

I have been trying some roms over the last few days and experience quite a big difference in speed. Some roms lag quite a bit, especially when opening sense apps.
My question is, does this depend on the speed of the SD card? I have a class 2 now (ordered a class 10 though). Are sense apps run from the SD card or the NAND?

Yes, it depends on the speed of the SD card, as in case of custom ROMs, all the apps are usually stored on the external partition. Plus at least a class 6 card is suggested in order to avoid the lags.

reynard80 said:
I have been trying some roms over the last few days and experience quite a big difference in speed. Some roms lag quite a bit, especially when opening sense apps.
My question is, does this depend on the speed of the SD card? I have a class 2 now (ordered a class 10 though). Are sense apps run from the SD card or the NAND?
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I wouldn't buy a class 10 SD card for use with the Desire. Not all class 10 cards work, you best bet is class 6.

Pipusz said:
Yes, it depends on the speed of the SD card, as in case of custom ROMs, all the apps are usually stored on the external partition. Plus at least a class 6 card is suggested in order to avoid the lags.
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Is sense also stored on the SD card in case of custom roms? Or just the apps?
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I wouldn't buy a class 10 SD card for use with the Desire. Not all class 10 cards work, you best bet is class 6.
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Well, ok, the class 10 has been delivered today, so I'll check it out tonight.
What kind of problems could a class 10 have in the desire? Not working at all?

Class 10 works ok as long as they are a respectable brand. Also you may want to consider installing SD Booster from market to increase deafult cache size to 1024kb or 2048kb

reynard80 said:
Is sense also stored on the SD card in case of custom roms? Or just the apps?
Well, ok, the class 10 has been delivered today, so I'll check it out tonight.
What kind of problems could a class 10 have in the desire? Not working at all?
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Performance problems, the cards not doing there proper write and read speed. Let us know how you get on with new card please

Have tried the new card. It's a Transcend 16GB Class 10. Getting about 18Mb/s sequential reads and writes in windows.
Have benched it in stock froyo on my desire with SD Tools: 14,5 MB/s write and about 8 MB/s read. Strange that the read speeds are lower. Then again, it seems that there are no reliable SD speed benchmarks on Android..

Memory Card

looking to buy a memory card u thinks that' it's really good ?
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looking to buy a memory card u thinks that' it's really good ?
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I would buy a Class 6 minimum. The reason for this is that I dont really know how a Class 2 SD would handle the 1080p videos. I am using a Class 10.

i am cheeking on ebay and i not found a class 6

well in my opinion for not to need it the most video or such media it would be fine to running on this class 2/4. I tried to using class 2 8gb in my SGT P1000 and it worked fine

Trying to transfered a video file copying from pc to this class 2 8gb micro sd, need sometimes to having 4gb file. Eventhough im considered to had 16gb class 4/6,heres of what thought about class:
Example in photography,class is need it the most to saving data everytime we hit the shuttercount to hit another one shutter. The gap between previous and next to savingthe images its the main different between class.
Class 2:200kbp/sec
Class 4:400kbp/sec
Class 6:600kbp/sec
Class 10 is above from it, the more higher pf the class is more fastest it could save the data.
So, for normally data use such as copying file(foto,music,video,office and music) is moderated class 2-4 would be fine.
Photography and hd movies start need it class 6-10
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From test result using sd tools apps it happened even class 2/4 can read more faster
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Maximum size sd card with g2

Bought a 32 gb micro class 10 today and its acting really weird. Still have my 16gb and it works perfect.
Running stock 2.2 still, is 16gb max or what? If yes and I upgrade to 2.3 legit upgrade will it work with a 32 gb?
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No, it's the class 10. Lot's of threads on this, try a class 6 card.

Class 10 is not so good on desire z. Try a class 4 or 6 card
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Ok so... I bought another one with a class 4.
Class 10 no name: everything works normal but transfer is super super super slow...
Class 4 kingston: weird when I open my computer and turn on the usb connection the H drive (sd card) keeps showing up and disappearing then showing up and disappearing over and over... wtf gives?
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ok so im throwing both the sd cards in the reader and formatting them. see if that fixes my problem.

if you still got the packaging and recipt you can still return the cards if they dont work

I'm running a 32GB Class 10 card with no problems. Maybe it's just your card. I had problems with the partitions on my original Wintec card and the company sent me a new one as a replacement.

blackknightavalon said:
I'm running a 32GB Class 10 card with no problems. Maybe it's just your card. I had problems with the partitions on my original Wintec card and the company sent me a new one as a replacement.
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Ya, thats the one. Finished formatting and copying files to the cards. The Wintec one which is class 10 is running a little bit weird. I'm try the kingston class 4

evilcuber said:
Class 10 is not so good on desire z. Try a class 4 or 6 card
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I have 16GB Class 10 Joyflash (noname). Could you tell, why Class 10 "is not so good on desire z", becouse I dont understand this.
If card reader of desire is slow, on level of Class 6, if you put Class 10, doesnt change anything, but why "is not so good"?

I can safely say that my 32 GB class 6 has no issues. I've been reading on the subject and for some devices the class 10 is flaky... might just be a firware/software issue. Who knows.
But I'm ok with my class 6. Write: 9mb/s and read 24.3m/s

Ok so after everything last night I ended up keeping the kingston class 4 instead of the wintec class 10.
One thing that everyone should know if they are planning to upgrade soon and have forgotten this. The speed to write to a micro sd is slow then the speed to copy from a micro sd. This is my experience last night at least... I can copy a certain file to my desktop in 40 seconds but to put it on took 2-3 minutes.
Anyways, just be patient and go to a place you can get refunds so you dont get screwed with a bad card lol. With my experience the 32 gb class 10 wintec sucks, the write speed was insanely slow. So I stuck with a name brand instead, I really wanted a sandisk but they werent available.

Mog said:
Ya, thats the one. Finished formatting and copying files to the cards. The Wintec one which is class 10 is running a little bit weird. I'm try the kingston class 4
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Actually, my original Wintec card was screwing up and wouldn't keep the data partitions written. The replacement I got from Wintec is working the way it should, and it actually is acting like a class 10 card.

Mog said:
One thing that everyone should know if they are planning to upgrade soon and have forgotten this. The speed to write to a micro sd is slow then the speed to copy from a micro sd. This is my experience last night at least... I can copy a certain file to my desktop in 40 seconds but to put it on took 2-3 minutes.
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Class ratings refer only to write speed. And write speed is always going to be slower than read speed.

redpoint73 said:
Class ratings refer only to write speed. And write speed is always going to be slower than read speed.
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This AND, class ratings were documented before smartphones for the purpose of professional photography use in cameras. I have never had any speed issue with my good old class 2 card in my smartphone.

iDAREK said:
I have 16GB Class 10 Joyflash (noname). Could you tell, why Class 10 "is not so good on desire z", becouse I dont understand this.
If card reader of desire is slow, on level of Class 6, if you put Class 10, doesnt change anything, but why "is not so good"?
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Lots of threads on this, search "sd card"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=804421&highlight=sd+card
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849494&highlight=sd+card
Also, check this out...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022678&highlight=sd+card

SuperDave81 said:
No, it's the class 10. Lot's of threads on this, try a class 6 card.
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Thank You: I can confirm this.
I had to put a SD in my old DesireZ/Vision for one of my son (10 years... there's no religion....) to replace a old 4GB crashed one.
The phone is running SenseI ROM (fine ROM: a very good way to replace the stable CM7 and run ICS 4.0)
I bought on Amazon Samsung EVO uSD 16GB Class10... and it was not recognized... So I read it on the PC to see if is was good or not: it was OK!
Recovered the trouble upgrading the Galaxy S2 of the other son from a old 8GB class 4 (probably Kingston o Transcend) to the brand new 16GB EVO Class 10, and putting the old 8GBB in the Desire Z: quickly recognized and optimally mounted both cards over both the 2 phones!
But I was disappointed... more than speed performance I thought that Class 10 memory card were also better on quality, due to a more robust and stable architecture of the chips inside.... and
much more recommended for the "systemdisk-like" use on Android Smartphones!