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HTC Desire Development

So, for some reason i was just lurking around the Desire forums... they're seriously hurting, they are way behind in terms of development, compared to the Nexus One. Does anybody know why this might be? Since they're basically the same phone, why isn't the Desire (so to speak) neck and neck with the Nexi?
I know that the Nexus One is like the biggest badass of all the phones, and quite frankly i don't know why i'm even asking this, but i'm curious.

Because we have Cyanogen, Kmobs and many other amazing devs

It was the same if you compared the hero with the G1 and Mytouch. I think it's because of the framework of HTC and the HTC phones aren't that open as the nexus. this is why i like my Nexus
I owned a Hero and damn the development on the OS was pathetic the only one who really worked on Hero was Paul (modaco) the others did there best to. but it was nothing i even couldn't put CM on Hero. When the 2.1 came out it was ported to G1 but the hero had to wait, wait for a long time. there where some 2.1 releases for the hero but never worked 100%.

zachthemaster said:
So, for some reason i was just lurking around the Desire forums... they're seriously hurting, they are way behind in terms of development, compared to the Nexus One. Does anybody know why this might be? Since they're basically the same phone, why isn't the Desire (so to speak) neck and neck with the Nexi?
I know that the Nexus One is like the biggest badass of all the phones, and quite frankly i don't know why i'm even asking this, but i'm curious.
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Nexarse one is a half decent phone, wouldn't say it was neck and neck with the superior desire but its ok considering they are similar. The problem is htc. I suspect a deal has been struck between google and htc giving the google phone a slight priority in terms of software release. Either way it don't matter massivley, because if people want froyo on there desire, they can get it. The same as all those nexus one users who wanted sense on there handsets,(but obviously on a lesser phone
By the way, hows that trackball holding out?

Dunbad said:
Nexarse one is a half decent phone, wouldn't say it was neck and neck with the superior desire but its ok considering they are similar.
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What are you, five? "Nexarse" is sure the height of witticism, just like "windoze" and "micro$oft." Sorry, boy, but the two phones are nearly identical except yours doesn't have a noise-canceling mic. Your fanboyism is wasted; it's like stamping your foot and whining that the HTC Hero is better than the Eris when the two are actually the same phone, with identical internals.
The same as all those nexus one users who wanted sense on there handsets,(but obviously on a lesser phone
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An ex-Apple fan by any chance? Your attitude's similar. And I've yet to hear of anyone's trackball falling out, ahaha. "Lesser"? Paul O'Brien recommends a Nexus over a Desire--he's got both--and I'll take his (much more knowledgeable) opinion over an immature fantard's any time.

I personally don't think development is going that badly, you have to remember the nexus one has 4 months over the release of the desire and it not being a world wide release doesn't help, hopefully things will pick up more when it gets official releases in the USA

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So... five?
Btw, the OP didn't mean it as sarcasm because this thread was originally posted to the Nexus One forums. Durrrrr.

Thread cleaned, show respect to other members rules are there to be followed.
Back on topic.

Easy, the nexus one isn't as locked down as the desire. And because a lot more people have a nexus one.
Sendt with Swype via tapatalk on my Desire.

I would have bought the nexus if it had been available because of the reasons above.
But it wasn't in Holland until now, I really do like Sense and all the fluff it adds, i'm not particularly bothered about banging a Rom onto a new device as far as i can tell it's not broken.

So only my posts get deleted, ok.
Let me try again in a more respectful and polite manner.
My initial response was to what I ASSUMED was abit of a tongue in cheek question. It got a tongue in cheek response together with my answer. It was simple sarcasm. It appears however the op posted this on the nexus forum and it was moved by moderators. The op probably did not even realize it would end up here. My response was wrong to the Equally disrespectful response that I got and apologize to anyone who saw it.

i dont know why dunbad is in trouble here for posting something that was intended to be funny
since when is it that if you post a joke you get some pompous person sitting in front of his computer with a thesaurus, dictating some sort of speech against the inhumanity of a sense of humour?
geez some people really need to lighten up
nexus one and htc desire, pretty much identical hardware wise, the nexus one has a noise cancelling mic, the htc desire has a bit more ram
nexus one runs stock android meaning its highly customizable
htc desire has htc sense which works really well, and is soon to get froyo like the nexus one
the development in the nexus one forums is SO great because youre all trying to get sense on your phones, lets face it it just takes one look at your development section to see that, what does the htc desire ACTUALLY need developed? its already got root, we CAN put whatever we want on, most people dont because it works perfect already. Froyo's readily available from the devs here, IF we want, and anyway we're getting it officially in a few days, so in all honestly, software and development wise, the htc desire wins hands down
easy as that

The nexi is great but I've noticed an issue with the "nexi." That doesn't seem to effect the desire. If you post a thread on xda nexi forum, the post somehow disappears, somehow reappears elsewhere and a little one liner appears in the subject field that says "MOVED". Its really odd. It happens loads. Go check out there general forums. Software maybe? Hardware? A bug perhaps? Don't know but either way the desire doesn't seem anywhere near as badly "effected."
People are saying this or that's better about either phone, but at the end of the day I wish I'd had got a nexi, in these difficult financial times I could have saved some money.
But anyway, I thank cgrec, but I don't see froyo coming to the desire officially anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm convinced that this has everything to do with handshakes in smoke filled backrooms between google and htc, froyo will be a few months away yet.i hope I'm wrong.

[Off Topic Lounge] A place for fellow HTC Desire users to hang out

I've decided that as the Desire has such a big fanbase and the forum is so busy, that I'd trial an Off Topic lounge.
This is the place to post all things random and not support related.
There are a few ground rules, nothing too boring, but we do need them!
The most important rule is, follow the Forum Rules!!
Keep it clean, and don't flame other users.
[*]Do Not use this thread to boost your post count so you can post in Development
Most of all, have some fun
As this is a trial if you have any issues or problems here, please PM me.

awesomeness
cool idea...this can be a nice place to boast how awesome our rom is

I'm currently using a modified version of Leedroid 2.4.1.
This is a Data++ version with CM7 hboot built by Ed Roid (member of Frandroid), I must admit it is very fast and reliable.

Wow i love this forum its the complete opposite to what i'm used to. Normally i would expect a thread to be derailed withing a page, here however try and go off topic here and it takes less than two posts to be back on topic.

Spin Dr Wolf said:
Wow i love this forum its the complete opposite to what i'm used to. Normally i would expect a thread to be derailed withing a page, here however try and go off topic here and it takes less than two posts to be back on topic.
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Oh believe me, threads here can be derailed in seconds and forever if they get the chance. Lol.
It has probably died down a bit in the Desire forums now, but I remember a time a post would have been reported, and within 15 minutes there were about 30 replies to the problem post
I loved my Desire when I had it. I actually miss it now

cool idea... using desire since few month, i m so impressed by android just got a bargain with xperia mini pro for my son... running stock andro 2.1... actually don't know much about it but he dosen't want i touch it
i know this is not desire supported whilst it's about android os
tks Rolfd

Custom Rom
Heya, I just instaled my 1st custom rom . I've always been rooted but i used the stock rom. Today i got bored and tried robocik's RCMix on my Desire. Working wonderful! I'm so happy i did it

Had my desire for just over a month, tried about 5 or 6 different ROMs, sticking with CM7, usually the latest nightly build, havent s-offed, dont really see the advantage?? Running CM7 nightly 64, with a 512MB ext3 partition sd-ext, I LOVE MY DESIRE!

Nice Idea, I am swinging between Roms Almost on Daily basis and then i keep myself busy restoring everything.
I am also planning to release my own custom ROM, lets see when i will be able to do that (Still is Alpha phase)

Had my desire about a year now and running Oxygen 2.1.2
Just had a look round at the new phones available and I've got to say there's nothing really around to make me want to upgrade yet (maybe the Samsung Galaxy 2S)
Anybody bored with their desire and waiting for a new phone on the way?

I would love to help someone make a ROM but I have no idea where to start or what I need to do? Any help? Thanks
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

I had a strange dream last night that in the future we all lived underground, but people kept the nicer part of the world a secret from us(me), but eventually some guard-type guy led me to an old workshop to get water and I found both of my cats there - after feeding them popcorn and making sure they were safe I found some sort of board and found a massive tube system that the nicer parts in levels above used as an entertainment place - with arcades and stuff in it...
weirdness!

Any dream interepters on the forum ?

Spin Dr Wolf said:
Any dream interepters on the forum ?
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Or psychiatrists? lol

It could be that there is a girl/woman in your life that you do not really trust.
Or you can try to stop smoking a certain herb before going to bed

I've been using htc desire for a year now, its a cool phone but iphone still rocks..

Mikkel D. Hansen said:
I've been using htc desire for a year now, its a cool phone but iphone still rocks..
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BANNED!! And I propose that the next person that posts anything to do with actual Desire/ROM/Dev discussion shall be whipped with a wet lettuce leaf
I, however made the mistake of telling this chick that I have been seeing on a friends basis that I am crazy about her the other day...it's actually waaaay more than friends, and she knows it, but it's complicated. We spend a lot of time together, she stays over most weekends, we usually shower together, we kiss, cuddle, go out to dinner, shopping and the whole kaboodle...we are not "sleeping together" though...she is not ready for proper committment, she tells me...or am I expecting too much??
I am 37 years old, and I feel like a love sick pimple faced child. Maybe it is I that needs whipping with the wet lettuce leaf...
I love this forum, I feel better already
And let the flaming commence

@777ace and how are things after you said that...?
I took my cat out to the car to go to the vets and then went back to lock the front door and he decided that was a good time to go to the toilet.... causing me to take him back inside - clean up and then be late for the vet (he's fine though, just getting over a bad illness-type-thing)

Lol, I have two cats also! I have been lucky in that they've not (yet) gotten really sick though...the bills for nuetering and worm treatments etc were horrendous enough! Any vets here??
As to my problem...everything is cool. I tend to over analyse the crap out of everything and probably miss the forest for the trees most of the time. Thinking over the whole situation, if she didn't feel the same way I do, she probably wouldn't do all of those things with me and make time in her life for me, so I guess I just gotta play it cool and take it real slow....

Good going, as long as things are well now!
Last nights strange dream was I was driving down a really steep hill (and it had a mcdonalds halfway down for some reason), and saw some woman pushing her car up the hill near the McDs - she said she was fine, got that far and I asked why she wasnt calling someone to get it repaired, she said her boyf coudl fix it at the top of the hill, so I stopped and locked up my car and helped her push it to the top - right near the top there was a flood of water that rushed down and pushed the car back a bit - but we carried on and got it to the top of the hill where she said she was going to see her boyf - however, he happened to open the door and be like 'OMG what are you doing here?' then you heard his wife in the background coming to see what's going on... and I just up and left her there sorting out her own mess.
what's the moral of that story?

Wildfire modding and continued use...

So I have a wildfire, I was on a tight budget and I bought it when it first released...I love this phone and it's still going strong overclocked at 768 mhz with CM 7.1, and I'm gonna have to keep it for while (I'm broke) ...but my question is, I'm insanely grateful to all the devs still working on the wildfire, thanks so much guys you make our day...but if they all get the latest and greatest Android phones, lots of them keep on at the wildfire stuff...what's the incentive, just wondering
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Most devs don't sell their Wildfire after they upgrade, so, it's easy to continue working on it. If they sell it, they stop developing. As far as I can tell, only schiznik (Devnull / Oxygen) doesn't have a Wildfire of his own.
Another "incentive" (if you can call it that, I won't) is that the Wildfire section is far less crowded. One look at the popular phones forums, and they get excess of 2000+ posts per day and get >1 new ROM per day (figuratively speaking), so, its extremely easy to lose track of your own work in the crowd.

Wildfire reason
3xeno said:
Most devs don't sell their Wildfire after they upgrade, so, it's easy to continue working on it. If they sell it, they stop developing. As far as I can tell, only schiznik (Devnull / Oxygen) doesn't have a Wildfire of his own.
Another "incentive" (if you can call it that, I won't) is that the Wildfire section is far less crowded. One look at the popular phones forums, and they get excess of 2000+ posts per day and get >1 new ROM per day (figuratively speaking), so, its extremely easy to lose track of your own work in the crowd.
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Thanks, that makes sense, the Devnull ROM is entirely AOSP if i'm not mistaken?
And what would be a correct word other than "incentive" ?
So essentially to get exposure for your work and better detailed help and progress when building ROMS and development, people choose these forums...

It's all for fun and community (Unless someone is a professional). When I used to be a theme creator for Nokia's S60 Symbian Devices some years back, it always gave me a sort of buzz to contribute to the community and be appreciated for your efforts.
Also, there's always a desire to get the maximum out of your device. If this didn't exist, probably, dev forums would never have existed.

3xeno said:
It's all for fun and community (Unless someone is a professional). When I used to be a theme creator for Nokia's S60 Symbian Devices some years back, it always gave me a sort of buzz to contribute to the community and be appreciated for your efforts.
Also, there's always a desire to get the maximum out of your device. If this didn't exist, probably, dev forums would never have existed.
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That's true, the community (myself included) are grateful for you guys cause otherwise we'd still be on stock 2.2 Froyo from HTC (boring!!)...and there's always things the manufacturer doesn't want you to do on their product...the devs just show how much better a product (in this case the WildFire) can be than it's original form thanks to some creative work and effort...

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As far as I can tell, only schiznik (Devnull / Oxygen) doesn't have a Wildfire of his own.
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I do now
Bought myself a cheap one from a friend who's upgraded to the SGS2...

schiznik said:
I do now
Bought myself a cheap one from a friend who's upgraded to the SGS2...
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Haha yeah phew the Wildfire dev community lives on

I wish that it should live on and on...I rooted ma wildfire with the help of androidybloidy...just a salute to him....thanks bro..
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

3 little things to keep the Wildfire S alive and current...

We need three little things to keep the development and forum for the Wildfire S alive:
1/ Stop obsessing over HTC's unlocked bootloader. We need FULL S-OFF and SIM card unlocking. HTC doesn't care. Repeat after me...HTC Doesn't care.
2/ Shake out your pockets if you can and get your devices XTC-Clipped. For the cost of it vs the effort put into trying to get around it. We need a bunch of S-OFF'd phones and developers to not be relegated to the boneyard. If software S-OFF is possible that will be awesome but in the mean while check the thread about local clippers to hopefully find someone close to you where you can go and get it done.
3/Focus on what we CAN change soonest. Getting back on the main forums. This is the most likely thing to happen with the least effort to keep us current and visible to other WFS users and developers looking for a home.
So get through wasting time on item 1, spend some money on item 2 or chip into the dev process and let's all work on petitioning for item 3.
So check out the threads in my signature and find your local XTC Clip owner and let's get this forum moving.
Thanks to all those still making development efforts and efforts to raise awareness of this great little phone that could.
Cheers.
B

FYI,the only reason I can't buy an xtc-clip is that I can't afford it, and no shopkeeper even knows what an xtc-clip is!!!It costs around 7000 rupees in India(that a heck lot costly for a 16 year old with a monthly allowance of 500 rupees). I am trying to get it from some guys at XDA but noone is replying to PM'S......Not everyone is lucky in finding or getting an S-OFF.......

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FYI,the only reason I can't buy an xtc-clip is that I can't afford it, and no shopkeeper even knows what an xtc-clip is!!!It costs around 7000 rupees in India(that a heck lot costly for a 16 year old with a monthly allowance of 500 rupees). I am trying to get it from some guys at XDA but noone is replying to PM'S......Not everyone is lucky in finding or getting an S-OFF.......
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Understandable.
Doesn't change the fact that focusing on our own solution will likely pay more dividends then waiting for an unmotivated HTC to do something.
Software S-OFF is in the list. Beg, borrowing, or stealing an XTC clip is in the list.
Group buying of one is in there too.
Essentially anything to get S-OFF users and Dev's to fan the fire under the Wildfire S
Regards,
DS

Agree with csoulr666 on this one. The XTC clip isn't a viable option for many of us. It's way too heavily priced for many of us (about 20% of the cost of the phone itself) and plus, it's not easily available in many countries like India. In fact, people don't know what an XTC clip is!
I'd like to believe in Group buys and campaigns but they don't always work as intended, do they?

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Agree with csoulr666 on this one. The XTC clip isn't a viable option for many of us. It's way too heavily priced for many of us (about 20% of the cost of the phone itself) and plus, it's not easily available in many countries like India. In fact, people don't know what an XTC clip is!
I'd like to believe in Group buys and campaigns but they don't always work as intended, do they?
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So it won't work for everyone but there are plenty of people who it will. It's about raising awareness that that thread and the option to go to someone local like myself exists.
My offer to clip phones for anyone on this forum still stands. I want to see things move forward for us.
Maybe first thing is to get us back on the main forum page now that we have CM7.2 with 9.0 on it's way.

People should research before purchasing the phone then. Gotta understand the risks and what is available before purchasing.

awareness
In all honesty alquez has pretty much put the WFS on the map; no disrespect to any other developers. Having:
a viable [yet unofficial] build of cwm
a viable [yet unofficial] build of cm7
This will, if it has not already, get the attention of some heavyweight devs.
Perhaps they will review and brand it official; perhaps we go on making unofficial stuff until someone notices. I just have to give him a huge thumbs up though when it comes to recognition of our phone model.
Rob

Yeah Alquez is king of wildfire s definetely He is doing so much for wilfire s community...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20051740
That's the tut I used to get s-off on my phone worked great
Sent From My Us Cellular HTC Wildfire S With xda Premium app

PoGoP said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20051740
That's the tut I used to get s-off on my phone worked great
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Good for you.
But we all now that that is possible for CDMA device for some time,so you did not said nothing new.

No.12 said:
Good for you.
But we all now that that is possible for CDMA device for some time,so you did not said nothing new.
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Wound + Salt = Ouch
We really do need a sub forum for all these S-off threads...

Sorry. From the stuff I read on here I had not seen anything about anyone else on us cellular getting s-off. Only stuff I found was about virgin Mobil phone. So again I am sorry for repeating a known fact
I am still kinda new to this
Sent From My Us Cellular HTC Wildfire S With Pda Premium app

PoGoP said:
Sorry. From the stuff I read on here I had not seen anything about anyone else on us cellular getting s-off. Only stuff I found was about virgin Mobil phone. So again I am sorry for repeating a known fact
I am still kinda new to this
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If your phone is a510c, you can s-off it by the method used by virgin mobile users..

So it begins to end

Little by little I been noticing the dev's leave from our forums, So what will happen then? Tried myself to start creating a ROM but with no luck.... (laptop acts up most of the time). Anyways, as I was trying to imply what happens when development stops for the Hercules? Guess we will find out soon enough. I don't know if its due to the attitude given to these guys that are doing all this work for free or what? Kinda sad see that 2 developers go. Although their reasoning is personal and private, I can only imagine how they must feel when they do their best to make something for the public and all we do is nag on how bad it is or what can be done to change it.
This ain't to flame anyone or complain. Everyone has their personal likes. That being said why not invest some of that time of criticism and start doing your own. I have not been on this community for long as everyone can tell but I read and read and read. from our forum, the SR forum being that its similar device and its completely different atmosphere between the two. There's so much amicable peoplel there. They're willing to help on another. I just don't see it happening on our forums.Maybe, just maybe we just lost touch of what the community was created for.... to help one another create a better device for our daily use. Not to just constantly put in requests like the Dev is a radio dj . I for one. If its not that then its "this don't work buhuu!!!" It's been noticed here lately that there are sum differences between devices, hardware wise. That alone would drive anyone insane.. Bottom line, implement your personal touch to anything you use in here. That's what will make it your own pride and joy. I totally agree with stating something if it interfered with the functionality of the device. Then again its written very clearly in every single thread of ROM's, do this at your own risk. The developer is by no means responsible for any modifications you do to your device. When you decided to flash whatever it was you did, you took sole responsibility for your actions.
Last but not least, all I can say if it continues to be like this we might to go find new devices to toy with. This weeks its been 2 Devs that left. Next week might be 2 more and before you know it there wont be none. What then? Seriously, what then? With that said I want to say thanks for letting me vent and for creating this site for us (the daily users). Please nobody take any offense in particular for this is just my personal opinion. Doesn't reflect any ones else's but mines. Its a free community so I'm exercising my right to freedom of speech.

this is normal, as new devices emerge, like the SGS3 and Notes 2
Devs are naturally attracted to them
if you want to stay on the same device for a long time, then it's up to ourselves to learn now to compile, tweak, theme, and code the ROMs
a good example are the people over at the old Moto Milestone XT720 phone, that thing sucked when it came out at retail, and it's not very popular, but they took it upon themselves to build ROM from scratch and/or kanged it to make it a great device even after all these years, and the hardware limitation.
very much like the super geeks at the HTC HD2, can you imagine, that ancient relic able to run ICS, and most likely JB in near future

Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium

This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
Sent from the pink Unicorn from the Darkside.

RushAOZ said:
Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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By no means it was intended for it to be a complaint as I stated. I personally love my S2, my point about the post was due to the current situations of Devs leaving. It seem like there's other reasons being other than personal. And I see it more and more as I read the posts about them getting aggravated about the constant requests. My point being, if all the above including myself feel they can do better why not begin by learning. Rome wasn't built in a day and i totally agree but I don't get how the community here is so much different than in the SR forum. Again it's not a complaint but just a personal opinion.
@ AllGamer, I totally agree wit you sir... alike a lot of us noobs would love to learn the hows and whats of creating custom ROMs but as like I said on my opener I can't due to misbehaving equipment. I've read pages and pages of the software needed and downloaded as best to my knowledge. Even went as far as to allow another community person to go into my laptop and find out where my issue was. The person himself was a Dev and by no means I was told to do so or anything like that. I gave him my permission to try to help me out so I could create from scratch without any luck. What my point is that maybe we're (myself included) have lost the purpose here and have made it to where we feel its owed to us to make things our way. Then again that's my opinion.

LoopDoGG79 said:
This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
Sent from the pink Unicorn from the Darkside.
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Not only that. I just find that cm9 especially took a huge downfall once cm10 began to exist. I don't believe any time soon our devices will lack development. It's just there is so much out there to be done yet one questions "where do you even start!?" Personally once they get a stable build running of cm10 a lot of tweaks will begin getting added along with much kernel support being created. It's just a speed bump in the developer world, not a brick wall
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2

Looking at it from that point of view I can concur. But just hate seeing good devs run out like that. And to the most part being part of same teams. Weird to me again. Maybe I'm just one of those type of individuals that gets negative vibes about certain things. Just like the fact of it being personal reasons? I don't fully think that was it alone but who knows.
I still stand by my statement about the difference in attitudes between communities. Just seem like there's more "want" to help one another. Here everything is more frowned upon. Favorite reply here is " use the search button" but I'm sure posting a link to answer the question takes about the same amount of time. Or rather yet not reply at all if its just to get in a tantrum about doing it. Maybe its just my personal beliefs. I see it posted all the time, the community is to help regardless if lazy dumb or whatever (sorry about the dumb) but its just derogatory to sum. I'm a total noon but once in a while I have questions. Rather get an I don't know that be told search button is active. Thought it was the principle of this site.
Regardless of anything, its just I see no support on the development here. Either way I'll stop my rant and continue my educational reading.
Sent from my SGH-T989

Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?

Remembering Old school Android for a minute...
I know you personally are not complaining OP, so plese nobody take no offense to any of this. I understand what you're saying and I always mod my own Rom to my liking. I had to learn to do it that way because I wouldn't bug any devs either for little personal things I liked. Just my 2 cents, but when I see threads like this, I have to think back to when I first had my Moto Cliq (big mistake there), my first Android phone, and have a bit of nostalgia. We had 2 developers, Travisjames and HandlerExploit. (props to you both if still around) That was it. The Cliq had no software support and updates were always 6+ months after other phones were receiving them, we couldn't overclock it, it was locked up tight, but somehow they provided a good user experience out of that old 1.5 Android Moto Blur. Lol! Made lemonade out of the sour lemons Moto gave us. I helped them by making some themes and learned alot about Android during this time just to give something back to the community. Everyone still begged Handler and Travis for ETA's, *****ed at them when things were going wrong, but considering they were the only 2 devs for the cliq, I always just encouraged their great work and tried to help them work through it, because those were are only two solid options for a good Rom. Whether you liked some things about it or not, they were still better than stock.
My Point in the end? That phone had basically only 2 Roms (in it's early days) for each software release that dropped. No kernels since that wasn't possible yet, and only 3-4 themes to choose from (one made by me after frustration of not finding a style I loved). Anything else had to be tweaked to your liking through trial and error, googling, or asking devs for help. That's when I learned how much hard work goes into some seemingly "Small" fixes or tweaks. Android is much bigger of a thing now, and we have so many different Roms out here to choose from. I feel lucky to be able to choose from: Sammy Roms, MIUI, AOKP, CM7/9 then 10, Paranoid, etc. and then onto mods: kernel choices, Overclocked, undervolted, different boot screens and themes (esp on MIUI/CM's), tweaks, etc. For a phone that dropped with GB I think were doing a pretty damn good job!
I know some devs will eventually leave with new devices arriving, as they have with the last 3 Android phones/2 tablets I've owned, but this community has alot to choose from... I'd personally like to say Thank You, to each and every Dev that has stuck with us, even if only for a little while. You have brough tons of choices, tons of speed, battery life, and beauty to this device. I don't know about anything but themeing myself, so I rely on all you guys to put out something hot. You never disappoint! If someone can't find a Rom/Kernel combo to fit their needs on here, they might never be happy!

Digital1325 said:
Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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LoopDoGG79 said:
Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
Sent from the pink Unicorn from the Darkside.
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It's time to upgrade then

Due to my infancy in time here I cant comment about the past on this site, "but" it still mind boggles me that at some point and time I cant contribute. I don't mind testing by no means. Being that at this point in time and due to equipment faultiness I can't do more than that. But my point is that there is a sort of aura that just don't mingle well with me. One point I seen that has mortified the crap out of me has been just the way people address others around. Like there is some sort of machismo just because he/she knows better or been around longer. Like i said maybe its just me, maybe its just my persona. Most of my posts are either checking in to report any issues with X Rom or so forth, questions or trying to help someone else with any questions that they might have as long as I'm capable of actually helping with.. With that being said, I fully understand that t the dev threads are intended for just that but why not keep them locked up other than to the people that want to test. Per say- as a form of request to be a tester or something before opening .
Just seems that the Devs get aggravated at anyone that comes in asking about small things just cuz there was no reading done what so ever. For good reason tho, its supposed to be for bug related posts, troubleshot and all of that. Maybe implement a form prior to opening the thread of any given ROM that states everything and what not works on it prior to allowing the user just go in and ask frivolous questions ( even understanding that no question is small in importance). But i see that being the main argument in the threads. Thought that was the purpose of the video? These are just my opinions. I'm just a grain of salt in all this sea.
Also would like to THANK everyone that puts forth an effort to make something out of nothing to make the t989 that much better for us.Guess it makes me a bit sensitive to see guys come up wit awesome work and then all the sudden it all falls apart. Either way that's my 2 cents. Thanks also to you guys that took the time to come in here for a read and for the input.

There will be many more devs for the t989. I've read the same s.it more than a year ago on the t959 forum. Their dev section is more "vibrant" than ever.
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Funny I was damn sure thinking the same thing myself. I came from a PPC6700 forum years ago where we had a kitchen and could make our own roms which was great. Then I had an Evo, Evo3D, Epic Touch and now Galaxy 2 and I must admit this forum is lacking with rom choices. I look at the development page and see threads last reply was a week or so ago still on page 1. That would not last an hour in the old Evo forums.
I get it that developers leave because of family and personal things but think about it. If we the end user did not complain and ask for this and that which I honestly feel some of it we could do ourselves, would that not leave them to more pure developing time. Which honestly if things are running right or small things need to be fixed and can be done by others it allows the developer more time to themselves.... Jus Sayin
The helping each other out is wonderful as well but hey the I can't find a kernel or where is this rom located in a forum with maybe half a dozen developers and main threads really never leaving Page 1 and you can't find it... Helping fine spoon feeding is another and the laziness is what causes a lot of bickering. I know just give them the answer but what about you helping yourself... I hope more developers come or at least they perfect AOKP JB since thats my favorite..
Good luck developers and good luck community... rant ova!

I hope the devs don't drop out, I just got the TMobile version. $99 @ target for the s2, or $229. Makes the math kind of obvious.
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Its not going to die no time soon its just the lack of interest that I fear most. Maybe at a later time or so they might get the ball rolling again but at the present it time seem a little weak. Well that's in comparison to our twin site( SR forum). Like I said before and I'll repeat again, its all about benefiting both end parties. Pops used to tell me and seem to fits well here, "one hand can't be cleaned up by itself, takes 2 to get it the way is supposed to be. " That's all my point is meant to be directed to. Not start world war 3 or nothing. Just feel like we are falling behind and its our own fault. If we have enough time to complain or address issues we also have time to help better the problem itself by addressing it and trying to solve it. Better yet, get this general threads or q&a threads just for that... I've personally seen ROMs with 400 or more pages and nothing is clarified. There's all sorts of people completely lost on steps on how to even install (flash) a certain ROM. There's guides yes but we all been to school here, we know that learning is not easy for everyone. Sh00t!!! Everyday is a learning experience. But some of us take longer than others.
Maybe its just my petpeeve to feel this way. But I know Im not alone when I say this, if there's someone that needs help and I can do it, no matter how small it is... I'll be there to do so.and if I can't help at least I'll learn something by helping that person search for the answers.
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I must be really out of it.
Who.. did we lose?

Lost another one today on a joking issue. Jamison , Thetechniq and BB today... and they continue to drop like flies.. who knows...
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?

Rekzer said:
dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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Yes. Though TDJ is on a break from what I recall.. He certainly deserves it.