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Will Desire ever be a modded phone?

Hi,
I am due to trade in my faithful G1 in the next three weeks. The obvious choice financially for a replacement is the Desire.
The best thing about owning the G1 was the wave of development that has followed its release, I have really enjoyed being able to swap ROMs and have the such a wide range of choice to do so.
So, will the Desire ever have this developer base, or has it been eclipsed by the Nexus in this respect? has anyone else thought about this as part of their decision for their next handset?
I know the stock answer is going to be "get a Nexus", but that doesnt makes financial sense at the moment. Maybe I will have to wait until a proper UK release....
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I don't see how you might think the Desire won't get a large developer base. Any phone on XDA gets a large developer base IMO and there are are plenty of Android specific forums that can help you mod when the phone has been rooted.
I think you'll be fine to upgrade to the Desire

The desire will be rooted soon and supposedly has interchangeable roms with the N1 anyway.

All sounds reassuring, thanks I probably named this post poorly..I think it was the extent to which attention would be focused I was concerned about. G1 and Nexus seemed to be in the right place at the right time when devs like Cyanogen were getting hold of new handsets and modding them.

Although I hope I am wrong it is by no means certain that the Desire will be "hacked" to accept Custom ROMs. I understand that Paul at Modaco has been able to "root" the Desire but a lot more work is required before Custom ROMs can be loaded.
There is an assumption here that the "Developers" can do anything. It might just not be possible without a "leak" from someone within HTC.
It might be worth waiting a while before purchasing.

or you just buy it and wait for it to be rooted?
why should you wait until it is cuz we all know it will be rooted. its only a matter of time.
and if it cant be rooted we are screwd because all new htc (android) devices will have the same kind of security or even better !!

networkkilla said:
Hi,
I am due to trade in my faithful G1 in the next three weeks. The obvious choice financially for a replacement is the Desire.
The best thing about owning the G1 was the wave of development that has followed its release, I have really enjoyed being able to swap ROMs and have the such a wide range of choice to do so.
So, will the Desire ever have this developer base, or has it been eclipsed by the Nexus in this respect? has anyone else thought about this as part of their decision for their next handset?
I know the stock answer is going to be "get a Nexus", but that doesnt makes financial sense at the moment. Maybe I will have to wait until a proper UK release....
Sent from my T-Mobile G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
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I am in the same boat as you... I have a G1 and absolutely love the modding and dev community out there, it made my phone 1000x more fun to own . I have been looking at the Desire and there are some great deals out there (price wise) so I am seriously considering getting one. The N1 is too expensive for me atm, plus the N1 hasnt sold as well as Google had hoped... For me I hope the desire will outsell the N1 and hopefully have a large dev support....

Would you be disappointed if...

With all the work this community has gone into getting Android to work on the TP2/Tilt2, would you be disappointed or upset if HTC developed and released a full featured and functional Android build for the TP2/Ttilt2

rushwal said:
With all the work this community has gone into getting Android to work on the TP2/Tilt2, would you be disappointed or upset if HTC developed and released a full featured and functional Android build for the TP2/Ttilt2
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No, more like excited. Seeing as that's what all this work has gone into trying to accomplish in the first place. lol

Bah! I can't vote right on my own poll...
I can't wait for full Android on this or my next phone whoever makes it.

why would i be disappointed? it would give more access for the devs here to work with.

I would hope that HTC worked with the xda developers to create an android rather than voiding all the existing work.
However if HTC did release one I bet it would solve many of the problem the xda guys have had and would enable them to finish alternative flavours of Android for the TP2.
Either way having android for the TP2 would be just awesome whoever cracks it.

I vote yea because I am not an end user, all these end users probably voted no because they would just be satisfied that theres a working build, but they give no credit to the people that have taken time out of their lives to get something working that a lot of people would have no idea how to do. and yet the devs get no credit...

I want to dump my phone for android based phone.

I think even the devs would love it, because they could then focus their efforts on modding and creating apps which they are really good at and really enjoy instead of backward engineering what has already been done.

I wish...
I wish they would, but it probably won't happen. I'm sure there is already a strain on the HTC-Microsoft relationship because most (if not all) of their new high-end devices are Android based, with the exception of the HD2 (which isn't really new anymore). I'm sure HTC is developing WP7 devices but most of their focus right now seems to be on Android. If they release an Android build for a WinMo device, Microsoft will probably throw a fit. I'm sure HTC wants to do it to spike sales and increase the "lifespan" of the Rhodium, but it would not be in their best interest. However, if there are any HTC engineers and such listening, please feel free to "leak" unofficial 2.1 or 2.2 builds to the geniuses here. 3.0 is welcome as well...

I would love it, but please, don't get my hopes up.

i wouldnt be BUT i do realize the hard work and effort the devs. have made on this project. im sure it would make things easier for devs. then they could focus on modding and apps.

i will never ever turn on the freakin window-mo......more and more and more then happy if Htc release the official Android 3.0 a.k.a. Gingerbread build

HTC would never do this. So the hypothetical question shouldn't even be answered.

I think i would go buy it.

I would like to see a rom with android and wm working as one but back to the question u would have to think about money they would make with people switching n buying another htc phone with andriod but I do think they should lend an helping hand with getting the sound to work
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Want to remind you..

Hey guys,
As you have probably noticed, the development at the desire has quite "stopped"
Many devs are really "busy" and others have abandoned the desire.
The ONLY working dev is Coolexe or MichaelM.
I personally think it's time to move on to a next device.
What you guys think?
Will there come more desire devs? or will this be the "end"?
Bout kernels: Once they told us, when open source kernel is released, the desire will be muchhhhh better, but I personally think there hasn't change much!
Kernels are still not as they should be, 1 kernel got lockscreen lag or batt drain, others freeze. Know what imsaying?
I'm not saying the devs are that bad, but this is the end to me I think.
Share you'r opinion below!
//
Nick

I couldn't agree more!

nickislauw said:
The ONLY working dev is Coolexe or MichaelM.
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Complete fabrication! What about Kali-, RichardTrip and myself?

rootSU said:
Complete fabrication! What about Kali-, RichardTrip and myself?
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kali isn't really a dev? he's just posting the CM builds.
Richardtrip only updates his rom when there's a new cm build, so not very interesting too!
And you'r latest update was 22 sept
Think you have to agree me ;$

nickislauw said:
kali isn't really a dev? he's just posting the CM builds.
Richardtrip only updates his rom when there's a new cm build, so not very interesting too!
And you'r latest update was 22 sept
Think you have to agree me ;$
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ooooh 1 whole month ago. Actually I am working on a build now but quality is more important to me than getting out updates every 2 days.
But to say there are only 2 devs working on the desire is completely wrong and I find your posts not only offensive but also inaccurate and counter productive.
Edit> Also forgot to mention Droidzone and Sibere, then all the kernel devs. not all devs build roms.
And Kali- is a dev,. he doesn't just "post builds" if you look at his git hub you can see his commits,.
Worst thread ever!

Well I see it more dimensional:
1. Sense: it seems like really slowed down a bit, but on the other hand Sense 3.5 was available very quickly. Dridzone is also contributing here (piety he resists newer Sense for now).
2. ASOP: CM7 + bunch of other ROMs - well CM is stable, rest is fluctuating (for me it is only CM that seems interesting)
3. MIUI: active
Actually now is the time to wait for ICS sourcecode to enable further milestone. I guess Sense will decrease in popularity with ICS based CM9 released. For me the only thing thet stops me from CM7 as daily are Exchange ActiveSync issues.
Piety that for few days now both Coolexe and michelm_007 remain silent. Anyway DHD seems to be the main driver of HTC community - Desire seems to rather follow, not drive progress (in matter of new sense porting). Tha is basically due to small internal memory that is the main step to consider when porting some new ROMS. The speed issue due to obsolete platform (CPU/GPU) is also stronger here from DHD, so it really is the fade out period for the Sense on Desire. Next Sense will most likely be even more difficult to be run smoothly...

Sense will gain popularity again when Sense 4.0 on top of Android 4.0 D) will be released.

Dont see that running on the trusty Desire though

RootSU,
I didn't want to be rude,
But I think you understand that this desire community isn't how its supposed to be.
You have to agree that the BEST devs abonded, like baadnewz, robocik, leedroid (comes back)
It's not completely dead but its silent here in the rom section.
Hope you understand my point

I understand that the desire is phasing out. I only debate the fact that there are only 2 active devs. I just think you're exaggerating the situation, be that knowingly or otherwise.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

nickislauw said:
RootSU,
You have to agree that the BEST devs abonded, like baadnewz, robocik, leedroid (comes back)
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How rude are you to the devs who are still supporting the Desire???
If you're unhappy with what's happening here, go play somewhere else. Don't insult the devs who are still working hard on Desire roms.

zedmarcus said:
How rude are you to the devs who are still supporting the Desire???
If you're unhappy with what's happening here, go play somewhere else. Don't insult the devs who are still working hard on Desire roms.
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Cmon read the whole thread man!

rootSU said:
I understand that the desire is phasing out. I only debate the fact that there are only 2 active devs. I just think you're exaggerating the situation, be that knowingly or otherwise.
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Yeah ok 2 isn't right.
But there were MUCH more devs, and many of them are gone.

nickislauw said:
Cmon read the whole thread man!
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I read the whole thread man, and you were insulting from your first post to your last.

nickislauw said:
Yeah ok 2 isn't right.
But there were MUCH more devs, and many of them are gone.
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isnt it logical that people move on to new devices, including the devs? no point stating the obvious in a thread here... just stick with whats left of the desire community, start developing yourself or abandon ship and go for a newer device... you should at least be thankful for all that has been done for our awesome device so far...
*note* im not bashing you in any way, its just that i think the way you wrote the OP is pointless. you can move on to a Nexus device where the development doesnt stop till the devs faint from working overtime...
Sent from the infinity and beyond...

zedmarcus said:
I read the whole thread man, and you were insulting from your first post to your last.
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What, your girlfriend didn't give you sex?

rootSU said:
I understand that the desire is phasing out. I only debate the fact that there are only 2 active devs. I just think you're exaggerating the situation, be that knowingly or otherwise.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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He is right about one thing, though. Kernels still sucks even months after release of source code.

Terepin said:
He is right about one thing, though. Kernels still sucks even months after release of source code.
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This. I even flashed AuraxTSense again for a brief period before changing ship to aosp because of this.
It is only natural that people continue developing elsewhere, depending on where they upgraded. You can't expect them to support old device like you can't expect from HTC. Neither party involved has superhuman abilities, so I can't say anything but great thanks for making Desire more pleasurable to use than it already was.
The thing that concerns me are the reasons both Neophyte and AdamG went. Rapid deterioration of community and quality of information available in the period of last 12 months. Both these great devs went explicitly because of that (one for good and one to his respective forum).

Terepin said:
What, your girlfriend didn't give you sex?
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lolz... Terepin trying to make up for his small weiner again

Oh no this all cant be true! I have finally rooted and put my first rom on.....only took me about 18 months. Ah well, a few months time and it will be upgrade time. Still, for me it seems so new.

Yeah people, we are right back into the game

Huge thanks to the admins for listening to our voices!
Let's hope for a stronger development for our WFS from now on.
Here we come steaming from behind!

What?! Why are you doing it?

Will never be undone. The scene will die even quicker now it is not on the main forum page.

Well, this is just not justified. The original HTC Wildfire keeps its position on the "Promised Land" while its successor is trashed here?! Other than that I can call some more devices which are less "popular" than Wildfire S but they still get to keep their position on the front page.
The main outcome is that the Wildfire S Android development will drop vigorously. Not that it's something special right now. XDA doomed our phone to development mediocrity and there is nothing we can do about it!

imlgl said:
Will never be undone. The scene will die even quicker now it is not on the main forum page.
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Always the pessimist, but I've gotta admit, it's not going anywhere at all.

I don't understand why.
If the devs work together, the job will be done faster.

I guess the begging letter didn't help much.
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This nonsense is stupid.

Calm down guys.
Here is a list with xtc clip owners: Click
Check the country and pm the person, if you want s-off!
I will be s-off with xtc clip in two weeks
Then I can test my own hensemods first
Hit thanks when I helped!

That's not good news. Grey clouds is the only person who can give us good news right about now..

This blows
Read title ^

Without wanting to offend mods or admins, I think that the decision to put a 8-9 month old phone on the "Legacy & Low Activity Devices" area is an enormous disrespect to us (I'm being SOFT), owner of such devices.
It's something that seems to be made without even thinking about the consequences.
There are many other devices that should be dead on the main forum page for ages, but still have their position of "glory" there.
Those devices were launched two or more years ago, without any future upgrade in sight. Do you think this is rational? Honestly! I don't think so.
I think that now, even more than before devs should stick together and show that the Wildfire S is NOT a legacy device and much less a low activity device.
I didn't come to this forum for 2 or 3 days due to a very tight work schedule and now I saw this... I am shocked and disappointed with XDA.
My post has nothing to do with the existence of XTC-Clips and the possibility of rooting the WFS almost all around the world. I think that matter is offtopic.
It's just plain nonsense to "archive" a phone with a recent RUU update, with development going on, with users posting every single day, with users needing support and with HTC still having plans for this phone.
It's like HTC saying:"Your phone is 8 months old but we decided that it isn't supported anymore. Don't ask why. We don't care about you."
Sorry for my angry post. Once again I want to say that I don't intend to disrespect who manages this forums. I appreciate your work but this action is IMHO 1000 steps backwards for a respectable community of WFS owners.
Please, pretty please with sugar on top, consider undoing this.
Like other user said, you still have the "old" Wildfire on the main forums and already "deleted" the successor. Where is the logic?!
Please don't make the HTC Wildfire S be invisible. It's like you hate this phone and intentionally want it do die early. That's not fair. I would call it poor judgement but I'm afraid of hurting your feelings. I'm not here for that.
I like to help as much as I can. I have a hard job so my time isn't that much... but still I've shown that if people need my help, I try to be responsive.
Many people upgraded their WFS with my help. I don't want to be pretentious or have credit. I just expect this behavior from XDA, that usaully is a good and reliable source of information.
My most honest respect!

I totally agree with you miguelca.
WFS should be on top of the XDA page because he is still unlokcable.
This phone should be the priority of the community

I agree. The WFS is a great phone. Please put it back
Sent from my %s running Jinkaratu's XE ROM

It's not about the S-Off. In my country - Bulgaria, I can easily go and pay about 15 euros for that service. No problem. What really bothers me is that our phone is going to sink in oblivion before it has been given the chance to grow and develop!
I'm sorry XDA, but this is freakin' unjust and unacceptable!
miguelca, kudos for your elaborate opinion!

Where is the moderator of this section?Pls respond couse this is nonsence...

I can't believe.
It's not 10 years old, it's only few months old!!!
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510e using XDA App

You get the feeling HTC is afraid of this low cost phone and wish they hadn't released it?
Now XDA joins the sweep it under the table bandwagon...What next. Someone comes in the middle of the night and steals it off my desk and "disappears" it.

wildfire on main page and WILDFIRE S on Legacy & Low Activity Devices, u must be kidding adm.....

I'm thinking HTC has asked or paid for our WFS to be pushed aside, maybe because they are finished developing for it and have no plans on unlocking bootloader. If so someone (XDA) has sold us out.

Desire development is seem to be going dead

Desire development is seem to be going dead..
Doesn't feel good but.. really the development section is slowly going dead...

Captain Obvious to the rescue?
If you decided to have a rant, at least write a few sentences so that we have something to read?
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Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.

every phone has a shelf life . just wait for ur upgrade and hope that the dev community is as good/helpful as this one

Gotta expect it on a 2 yo device. when you see Runnymede AIO and RSK 6 it's hard to see how much further this thing can be pushed. It's already amazing what's possible compared with what HTC intended for it, but there comes a time...

Its normaly said the device is as good as its developers, but after being part of xda for such a long time i really belive the device is as good as its supporters..! and the more the supporters move towards new devices (Especially alot these days due to the end of 2 year contracts) the lesser is the need for any one to bring something new to the device because not many are interested in using it.
And as far as the developers are concerned alot of the dev's were first supporters who really learned to develop as a process to get something new to their own and everyones devices. Many of them dont take official classes to become dev's it just takes a willing supporter of the device n community to actually give in imp time and learn and try developing.
Buh anyways The HTC DESIRE was a great 2 year run, for its money, hardware and this community..! Thankx to All The Dev's for giving us way more than HTC could ever deliver. The Desire was truely a developer phone.. just hope we see the same support in a future device !

I will probably keep my desire for another 2 years. Here in the UK you get massive reductions in line rental if you do not upgrade with a new handset. Besides that I see nothing on the market that's worth upgrading for.
It's all just gimmicks with software bugs, at least my desire is finally at a stage where everything works as planned. I'm still a stock Rom user and by browsing this forum I can see lots of upgrade potential if I venture into the dark side (go rooted).
I don't know how it works elsewhere but here in the UK the average consumer is pretty clued up on phones and most will search the net for bugs before choosing a phone.
I know quite a few iPhone users who have not upgraded to 4s and have instead opted to stay with their current iPhones and benefit from cheaper line rental.
There is also a recession so that means people are looking to save money. Old desires from the UK get sent to new owners in 3rd world countries. Basically the desire is here for another 2 years easily so it makes sense for developers to stick with it.

ckpv5 said:
Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.
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Alex v already move to sensation xl..
Maybe you can continue desire development..
Because you help so many people.
And me also learn a lot from you..
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Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire. Any one here from Desires introduction and still has it will know of all the Dev. work done over two tears. I will always hang onto mine too much of a classic to let go.
I also have an Evo 3d (not mine but owner hates it) SGS2 and Nexus One. My Desire is still my daily driver. Some of the best Devs have worked on the Desire and I still check here regularly. So to the Rom Devs, Themers, Modders and Contributors no matter how small the contribution it has been a terrific two years.
If I can single out Madmaxx for the Touch Recovery as the greatest piece of Tech to grace the Desire and Alpharev for S-Off. Just my opinion.

Of course everybody is moving. The HTC Desire is now > two years old. Thats the smartphone lifecycle I think. Dont unterstand me wrong, I absolutely love my desire because its such a reliable phone.

It's long dead. There is very little to no development on it right now. The things you see most on the development section nowadays are merely applied knowledge learned from 'true' development that happened a year or so ago. I see this section going to the legacy devices list pretty soon.

I can't see any problems here. There are loads of stable roms - cyanogen mod, oxygen, even moded or rooted senses, there is no need to spend time on an old device, when it already has reached it's maximum

steveathome said:
Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire.
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The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.

There are plenty of nice Roms in the Desire Section but as with my old phones, HTC Touch HD, HTC HD2 and now HTC Desire they all become old and newer phones come out. That is life. I am getting a new phone myself and looking into what is hot and got the most potential but I will still keep my Desire and hopefully look for new Roms like Sense 3.6 and Sense 4 and 100% working ICS Roms. The new phone will probably have ICS installed or upgraded but I still love Flashing new Roms just for sake of it, isnt that what we all love doing.
One thing for certain, the Desire will go down as one of the most remembered phones.

Desire and g1 best phones ever
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CM 7.2 is coming.
ICS drivers from Qualcomm is also released, let's see if something catches fire soon enough
Also, the desire hardware is kinda limited after 2 years of development.

I've only had my Desire for a year now, and moved to a custom ROM about half a year ago (InsertCoin 2.3.3) once my hunger for apps started giving me storage issues.
Am now on Sandvold ICS and LOVE the UI and HWA speed. Unfortunately, the daily random crashes I'm experiencing mean that a bit more development is needed.
As long as ICS gets stable I'm happy.

The phone is two HTC generations old now, and over 2 years since it was released. I think ICS will be the last Android version to see the Desire.
Still, there is plenty of development going on for ICS in my opinion. A new version of CM9 was just released, Sandvold has his stock version, and a development thread for Sense 4.0 has just opened. There is probably a good 6 months worth of work left.

This was my first android and parting ways with it is going to be hard but yeah we have to move on some time. No new developments rom wise besides the ics and potential ics sense stuff...
I'd say the desire still got some steam left in him
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Kalavere said:
The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.
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Hahaha that's true!!
Never dies
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